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List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« on: April 11, 2011, 01:29:39 AM »
Hey all. I can't find any kind of list for this, but if there is one, please point me at it :D

Basically, I'm looking for any and all ways to boost your Essentia Pool, or otherwise empower Soulmelds.

Boosting Essentia Pool
Azurin/Duskblade/Rilkan/Skarn all get an extra point of Essentia
Ranks in Incarnum Classes (I know someone else would say it if I didn't ;) )
Feats: The various Incarnum feats, unfortunately most require another class feature or Feat (eg, Rage)
Essentia Gems give you one point of Essentia for one round (consumable, MoI)

Increasing Essentia Capacity
Feat: Expanded Soulmeld Capacity
Magic Items: Incarnum Foci (MoI & MiC)
Incarnate Class Feature
Totemist Class Feature

Other
Essentia Helm (MiC) - Temporarily max out a soulmeld
Necrocarnate PrC - Drain Incarnum from Corpses. Funtimes!

Does anyone know of any others?
My Kobold is looking rather sad at losing the +1 Essentia for an Incarnum race, and if there are any other ways of getting Essentia it would be very handy to know about.

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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2011, 01:55:53 AM »
Incarnum didn't get a lot of support outside of MoI, so you're probably going to have a pretty short list here. If you're looking to get an extra point or two of essentia, I recommend you take some flaws and grab one or two of the save-boosting Incarnum feats just for the essentia they grant.

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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2011, 02:07:22 AM »
Soul Boon spell (Sor/Wiz 2) grants temp essentia scaled to the caster level.

There's an Eberron PrC that grants essentia, but it's so bad I can't even remember the name.


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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2011, 03:06:21 AM »
Darn, I was afraid of that.

I wonder if going Incarnate 4/Totemist 2/Necrocarnate 4 would work opposite Swordsage in Gestalt...
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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2011, 06:27:45 AM »
Incandescent Champion has the Incarnum Overload class feature, which for 1 round increases any incarnum receptacle's capacity by your Charisma modifier. Too bad it's highly limited, only a few times (depending on class levels) per day.

But...if you use the UA rules on action points (which don't contradict the Eberron ones), you can spend one to not expend the daily use. Mix with Unfettered Heroism.

There's also Incarnum Apotheosis (Incarnum 8), which simply sets everything to full (whatever "full" happens to be). Nifty spell if you can make it Persistent.

@SF: You're thinking of Soul Eater from Faiths of Eberron, the one related to the Blood of Vol.

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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2011, 12:14:43 PM »
Soul Boon spell (Sor/Wiz 2) grants temp essentia scaled to the caster level.

There's an Eberron PrC that grants essentia, but it's so bad I can't even remember the name.
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Also might look at items that grant bonus feats that could be reasonably converted to there incarnum equivalents. Ex:
Belt of Endurance (A&E) Great Fortitude -> Cerulean Fortitude

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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2011, 02:46:40 PM »
Necrocarnate requires Spellcraft 10 ranks, so you can't normally qualify for it with 6 levels.  (I know there's a trick to get higher than max ranks in one skill, but I forget where it is or what skills it works with.)

If you're hoping to maximize your essentia pool, Necrocarnate probably isn't the way to go.  You're pretty much going to have to guarantee two corpses a day-- three late in your career-- to break even with a single-class Incarnate.  If you were going Psion/Thrallherd/Bodyleech or something on the other side, I'd have said to go for it.  Maybe even a Druid or other wilderness-oriented class, since it doesn't say you need humanoid corpses.  On a Swordsage, I probably wouldn't try it.

I'm pretty sure you'll only get to bind your Incarnate soulmelds to your least chakras with that build.  Not sure exactly how Necrocarnate stacks with existing meldshaper level/soulmelds/binds if you have two base meldshaping classes-- might want to check with the DM.

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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2011, 02:58:14 PM »
The Psycarnum Infusion feat (from MoI) allows you to max one incarnum receptacle for one round by expending your psionic focus, which is bar-none the cheapest way to get this done (although you'll have to be psionic, which requires a class level, a template, a race, or another feat [Wild Talent or Hidden Talent]).

Note that Psycarnum Infusion also maxes out incarnum feats, and according to the wording of those feats, they stay charged all day.
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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2011, 03:14:08 PM »
do bloodlines cheese with incarnum?

i really like the necro route, the dead arnt using their points anyway..
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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2011, 03:31:13 PM »
Incarnate Construct template gets you free essentia, as well.
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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2011, 04:35:18 PM »
Soulfused Construct actually.
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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2011, 04:35:52 PM »
Soulfused Construct actually.
That's what I meant >.<

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They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2011, 10:19:33 PM »
Necrocarnate requires Spellcraft 10 ranks, so you can't normally qualify for it with 6 levels.  (I know there's a trick to get higher than max ranks in one skill, but I forget where it is or what skills it works with.)

Ah yes, you are right. Dang :(

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If you're hoping to maximize your essentia pool, Necrocarnate probably isn't the way to go.  You're pretty much going to have to guarantee two corpses a day-- three late in your career-- to break even with a single-class Incarnate.  If you were going Psion/Thrallherd/Bodyleech or something on the other side, I'd have said to go for it.  Maybe even a Druid or other wilderness-oriented class, since it doesn't say you need humanoid corpses.  On a Swordsage, I probably wouldn't try it.

Well, we're playing an evil game with us being the Big Bad's "Special forces", I don't think corpses will be an issue :). Worst case scenario I can buy slaves.

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I'm pretty sure you'll only get to bind your Incarnate soulmelds to your least chakras with that build.  Not sure exactly how Necrocarnate stacks with existing meldshaper level/soulmelds/binds if you have two base meldshaping classes-- might want to check with the DM.

I've just read through the class, and it just says "You can bind your soulmelds and magic items to additional chakras", no reference to specific classes, or even "the class you were before taking Necrocarnate". Same thing with Extra Soulmelds "When you attain 4th level, the number of soulmelds you can have shaped increases by one".

Incarnate Construct template gets you free essentia, as well.

Alas that template requires construct type and no Int or Con.

*Sigh*
If only Extra Essentia didn't have that stupid "Must be character level 6th" requirement :(
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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2011, 12:32:54 AM »
Aha!!

Bind Necrocarnum Circlet to your Crown, raise a Necrocarnum Zombie, and use Gloves of Incarnum Theft & Essentia Rings to siphon off the Essentia for yourself. There's a couple of extra points :) (and thematically perfect for a Necrocarnate).
Since the HD of the Zombie is limited by your Manifester level, you'll only be able to get a few points out of it, but it's still "free" Essentia.

Hrm. That raises a new thought... anyone know of a pricing in any book for slaves? Bag of holding containing a couple of Azurin Commoners could also do the trick...
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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2011, 01:05:37 AM »
They'll need a way to breathe in there.

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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2011, 01:11:49 AM »
They'll need a way to breathe in there.

Bottle of air will do it :)

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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2011, 05:05:06 AM »
Hrm. That raises a new thought... anyone know of a pricing in any book for slaves? Bag of holding containing a couple of Azurin Commoners could also do the trick...
I know that Kalamar has them.  I think there are some other books, too.
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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2011, 05:53:25 AM »
Hrm. That raises a new thought... anyone know of a pricing in any book for slaves? Bag of holding containing a couple of Azurin Commoners could also do the trick...
I know that Kalamar has them.  I think there are some other books, too.

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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2011, 12:58:52 PM »
do bloodlines cheese with incarnum?
They aren't cheesy (as long as you don't go by silly RAW on leveling, which you shouldn't anyways for many other reasons) and it depends. Since I don't remember all of these ability's wordings of the top of my head, I'd say there might be one or two where the answer is yes. But the main essentia capacity limit for characters is chart based, so that's a no.
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Re: List of ways to get extra Essentia/Boosting Soulmelds?
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2011, 05:10:15 PM »
There are very few soulmelds that care about your meldshaper level, and I think most of them grant bonus (not temporary) HP or burn through your HP to heal your allies.  Save DCs are also based on meldshaper level, but multiclassing will hose them more than bloodline cheese will help.