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Hazren

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Need help with main caster for party
« on: April 06, 2011, 07:34:39 PM »
I'm in need of help with a build. The DM has set up an epic campaign. He wants us to start out at level 23 gestalt characters. This is the same DM that once told us to bring in characters to break his game and proceeded to smack us with his bitch stick, he's good. He knows I like enchanters and has thrown me a bone, or an anchor. I'm to be the main caster for the party.  His hand out to me so far,

Human
Str 20
Dex 20
Con 18
Int 28
Wis 24
Cha 28

First half of the character is sort of an improved WotC blend of his own making.

Specialist Wizard 3/ Master Specialist 10/ Mindbender 10

Enchanter variant specialist wizard, I have the social proficiency at the cost of no wizard bonus feats(big deal, I don't get them anyway in this build).
Master specialist has a quirk. Extra feat in place of expanded spellbook at 2nd, 5th and 8th level.
Mindbender has full spell progression.

To keep the math simple we can use the Int score as is to figure out skill points. I'm going to max out the diplomacy on this guy, so any help there is welcome.

All WotC books are legal. I know he hates Psions so I don't want to go there. I was wondering about feat selection and then the other half of the gestalt, what to build?

I was thinking maybe marshal 1(charismatic aura)/ cloistered cleric with domination and mysticism(add charisma bonus to saves) domains. Then what??? As the main caster should I use cleric to expand selection or maybe sorcerer?

This DM is cool. As long as you have back story to explain it, and aren't trying to break it off in him, he is easy to get along with. He loves to take what you bring to the table and use it in the campaigns he has run in the past. On this end I was thinking a thought bottle, the genesis spell and steal life spell. Just need a "reasonable" way to get around the xp problem.
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Re: Need help with main caster for party
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2011, 07:42:46 PM »
Enchanters don't do so well in epic, since everything and their pseudonatural dogs are immune.

How about conjuror or transmutor?
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Re: Need help with main caster for party
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2011, 08:00:27 PM »
Ask if you can use the nightmare spinner adaptation for enchantment.

Also maybe halruaan elder to get circle magic to heighten your spells to 20th and massive caster level.

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Re: Need help with main caster for party
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2011, 08:36:41 PM »
Except the many of the Nightmare Spinner abilities have limited uses per day, and the feature described in the adaptation is likely to be the same way.

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Re: Need help with main caster for party
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2011, 08:53:13 PM »
I still like the changeling dual-focused-specialist/war weaver/shadowcraft mage build.
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Re: Need help with main caster for party
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2011, 10:32:57 PM »
The side of the build I have was given by the DM. Since he has saddled me with what I consider a crappy PrC (mindbender even with the "fix" isn't worth much at epic) I was hoping to use it as leverage to get in some goodness I get from my fellow MinMaxers.   :D

However if nothing can be made of it, and if it's not something central to his campaign, I'll see about running something else past him. So I'm open to suggestions. First though I'd like to see if anything can be done with what he gave me. If he's thinking enchanter then I'll want the enchanter from hell, plus a side dish of steaming diplomancer to get around all that immunity to mind effecting spells. How bad can we break it?  :smirk

I'll tone it down a little if I think its too much and see what he says.
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Re: Need help with main caster for party
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2011, 11:06:49 PM »
On the other side I'd go factotum8/swiftblade10/warblade5, with factotum and swiftblade you can get up to 2 extra standard actions/round and 2x int modifier to initative while warblade gives you some options and more int synergy.

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Re: Need help with main caster for party
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2011, 11:50:26 PM »
Remember, an Enchanter is still a Wizard.  You have five other schools of magic.

If you're going divine on the other side, maybe Archivist?  It has great Intelligence synergy.  Maybe a PrC dip for some DMM fun.  Besides, if you're going to be the "main caster" in the party, you might as well have access to almost every spell in the game.