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Re: What PrC has the dumbest prereqs?
« Reply #140 on: February 18, 2011, 08:49:04 AM »
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I believe there was a policy to write prereqs in a way that may be geared towards a class, but to never make a PrC class-exclusive.

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Re: What PrC has the dumbest prereqs?
« Reply #141 on: February 18, 2011, 09:27:03 AM »
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I believe there was a policy to write prereqs in a way that may be geared towards a class, but to never make a PrC class-exclusive.
That was a stated design principle in the DMG, yes.  I know it was in the 3.0 DMG, and I don't remember if it's in the 3.5 one or not.  But WotC did start to ignore their own advice as the years went on.  As Sunic pointed out, Master Specialist is one such class.

Other times, they functionally did the same thing.  Before stuff like the Wild Shape ranger variant came out, if a PrC had a prereq of "Wild Shape ability", that pretty much made it druid exclusive.
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Re: What PrC has the dumbest prereqs?
« Reply #142 on: February 18, 2011, 10:06:35 AM »
@Gray Guard
I believe there was a policy to write prereqs in a way that may be geared towards a class, but to never make a PrC class-exclusive.
That was a stated design principle in the DMG, yes.  I know it was in the 3.0 DMG, and I don't remember if it's in the 3.5 one or not.  But WotC did start to ignore their own advice as the years went on.  As Sunic pointed out, Master Specialist is one such class.

Other times, they functionally did the same thing.  Before stuff like the Wild Shape ranger variant came out, if a PrC had a prereq of "Wild Shape ability", that pretty much made it druid exclusive.
Overall, probably a good thing, if the later sourcebooks are anything to go by.
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Re: What PrC has the dumbest prereqs?
« Reply #143 on: February 18, 2011, 12:42:49 PM »
The class exclusive PrCs tend to be more usable at least, while the open sorts have greater odds of failing.
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Re: What PrC has the dumbest prereqs?
« Reply #144 on: February 18, 2011, 03:34:02 PM »
Nobody's mentioned the Assassin yet? "Any Evil" my ass.
Killing people for the fuck of it? If you think that is not evil, I really hope you are not in my country or apart of my society.

I don't see a problem with a Good-aligned character who understands that there are some people who really do need to be eliminated to make the world a better place (this is much less debatable in a world where Evil is a thing level 1 paladins can literally see, and where devils walk the earth ensnaring poor saps in Faustian pacts), and deciding that accomplishing it through guile, stealth, and a single well-placed strike minimizes collateral damage and the suffering of the victim.

That depends on whether you view a death penalty as evil. What if the Devil and the evil dude redeem themselves and become a pillar for society? Then killing them would make you seem stupid.

What if it is like Gandalf says and it's "everybody has their part to play" when Frodo wants to kill gollum.

If you are the type of guy that usually kills for money, and you just go out and kill this random dude so you can join a group of assassins. I'd consider that pretty evil.

Thing is, it's extremely likely that they won't. Did Gandalf refrain from slaying the Balrog because "it had a part to play"? Much as I love LotR, that bit was pretty much just BS to allow the ending to happen as it did. Do Paladins fall for killing the random mooks who guard the kingdom-eating dragon? The fact is, it's an extremely rare D&D game that gets by without killing something. What's the difference if you do it stealthily and in a way that minimizes the number of people who need to die (which stealth can, in theory, do, even if practically speaking that's a problem in D&D)? At least this way you're not necessarily killing a father who was just trying to feed his family by working as a guard in the local palace.
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Re: What PrC has the dumbest prereqs?
« Reply #145 on: February 18, 2011, 03:49:04 PM »
So typical adventuring isn't "killing people for money"?
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Re: What PrC has the dumbest prereqs?
« Reply #146 on: February 18, 2011, 05:29:58 PM »
So typical adventuring isn't "killing people for money"?
No -- it's breaking in to their homes, and then killing them for trying to *gasp* defend it ... and then looting them for their life savings.  :p

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Re: What PrC has the dumbest prereqs?
« Reply #147 on: February 19, 2011, 07:42:15 AM »

Adventuring is multiple homicides of opportunity as appetizers to assasination. XP is better than money.

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Re: What PrC has the dumbest prereqs?
« Reply #148 on: February 19, 2011, 03:10:36 PM »
D&D is typically about a group of omnicidal kleptomaniacs on a quest to save the world.