What PrC has the dumbest prereqs?

[Bozwevial]

No swiftblade? Seriously?

Are we talking before or after it was fixed to allow casting Haste from a class list where it wasn't third level?

Well, having to stay a full level casting just haste with your X level spells still sucks balls. If you want to enter ASAP, that means a full level "losing" your highest level spell slots.

Your melee friends will appreciate it, at least. You could be blowing those slots on a lot worse.

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

Drunken Master has some pretty odd requirements. You have to go out and spend a night on the town with the existing drunken masters without dying, getting thrown in jail, poisoning yourself, or being extraordinarily embarrassed.

I maintain that this is the coolest fluff prereq evarr

I mean think about it. Its like hazing but fun even when you don't qualify.

"Yeh this is meh third tyme out with the fellas. The first time I won the team drinking contest and then pissed meself. The second tyme was 30 minutes of runnin threw the market hollarin bout how we wassen't drunk. The popo didn't believe meh, but damn near everyone else walked a straight line."

[Bozwevial]

It's also one of the hardest prerequisites to meet. Seriously, consider how many times those things happen to the PCs when they aren't fall-over drunk.

On the other hand, the Pyrokineticist requirement "Must have set fire to a structure of any size just to watch it burn" is virtually guaranteed to happen at some point.

[Ithamar]

Reaping Mauler? Here, take this feat that guarantees you'll never actually be good at grappling...

[Mixster]

Blighter.
Must be an ex-druid, previously capable of casting 3rd level druid spells.

Translation:
Must have spend time as a at least a level 5 druid, without an animal companion, wild shape ability, or spells. You must have run around trying to hack things up with your scimitar.

[Janthkin]

Blighter.
Must be an ex-druid, previously capable of casting 3rd level druid spells.

Translation:
Must have spend time as a at least a level 5 druid, without an animal companion, wild shape ability, or spells. You must have run around trying to hack things up with your scimitar.

It's not that bad.  Go most of the way through level 5 as a druid, then teach someone else in the party Druidic.  Boom, instant non-druid, and just in time to level.

[Endarire]

Hathran and Nelfeshnee seem overly pickly to me.

[Mixster]

Blighter.
Must be an ex-druid, previously capable of casting 3rd level druid spells.

Translation:
Must have spend time as a at least a level 5 druid, without an animal companion, wild shape ability, or spells. You must have run around trying to hack things up with your scimitar.

It's not that bad.  Go most of the way through level 5 as a druid, then teach someone else in the party Druidic.  Boom, instant non-druid, and just in time to level.

But you still take a class that is inherently weaker than druid, and works pretty much as a first level druid on the first level, meaning you might be facing ECL 6 threats, but the only thing you get from your first 5 level is D8 Hit Die, two good saves and average BAB.

[Gods_Trick]

Drunken Master has some pretty odd requirements. You have to go out and spend a night on the town with the existing drunken masters without dying, getting thrown in jail, poisoning yourself, or being extraordinarily embarrassed.

Odd but awesome to RP. Especially when you inspired the whole party to help 

Blighter.
Must be an ex-druid, previously capable of casting 3rd level druid spells.

Translation:
Must have spend time as a at least a level 5 druid, without an animal companion, wild shape ability, or spells. You must have run around trying to hack things up with your scimitar.

It's not that bad.  Go most of the way through level 5 as a druid, then teach someone else in the party Druidic.  Boom, instant non-druid, and just in time to level.

But you still take a class that is inherently weaker than druid, and works pretty much as a first level druid on the first level, meaning you might be facing ECL 6 threats, but the only thing you get from your first 5 level is D8 Hit Die, two good saves and average BAB.

You can retrain those levels, surely? I'm surprised they don't have a convert Druid levels to Blighter the way Blackguards do for Paladins.

[wotmaniac]

Drunken Master has some pretty odd requirements. You have to go out and spend a night on the town with the existing drunken masters without dying, getting thrown in jail, poisoning yourself, or being extraordinarily embarrassed.

Odd but awesome to RP. Especially when you inspired the whole party to help 

Blighter.
Must be an ex-druid, previously capable of casting 3rd level druid spells.

Translation:
Must have spend time as a at least a level 5 druid, without an animal companion, wild shape ability, or spells. You must have run around trying to hack things up with your scimitar.

It's not that bad.  Go most of the way through level 5 as a druid, then teach someone else in the party Druidic.  Boom, instant non-druid, and just in time to level.

But you still take a class that is inherently weaker than druid, and works pretty much as a first level druid on the first level, meaning you might be facing ECL 6 threats, but the only thing you get from your first 5 level is D8 Hit Die, two good saves and average BAB.

You can retrain those levels, surely? I'm surprised they don't have a convert Druid levels to Blighter the way Blackguards do for Paladins.

might have to adjust the casting to avoid 9th level spells @ 9th character level.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Since only druids know it, and if they teach it to a non-druid they lose their spells and wild shape and everything.

Or pick up a pearl of speech from MIC.

Let's not forget the Survivor, whose prerequisites are almost guaranteed to be invalidated once you take the first level of the class.

Or the ur-priest, which is completely guaranteed to invalidate itself.

[Bozwevial]

Let's not forget the Survivor, whose prerequisites are almost guaranteed to be invalidated once you take the first level of the class.

Or the ur-priest, which is completely guaranteed to invalidate itself.

Easy enough to handwave.

"I swear, they're not mine! I'm just holding them for a friend!"

[Whisper]

Let's not forget the Survivor, whose prerequisites are almost guaranteed to be invalidated once you take the first level of the class.

Or the ur-priest, which is completely guaranteed to invalidate itself.

Explain?

[Gods_Trick]

There are so many better ways of getting a Fort dip 

Any PrC that requires taking Great Fortitude and friends.  It hurts to qualify for Fist of the Forest, it hurts I tell ya!

[Bozwevial]

Let's not forget the Survivor, whose prerequisites are almost guaranteed to be invalidated once you take the first level of the class.

Or the ur-priest, which is completely guaranteed to invalidate itself.

Explain?

Ur-Priest requires you either not to have divine casting or to forsake it, then goes on to give you divine casting.

[X-Codes]

Let's not forget the Survivor, whose prerequisites are almost guaranteed to be invalidated once you take the first level of the class.

Or the ur-priest, which is completely guaranteed to invalidate itself.

Explain?

Ur-Priest requires you either not to have divine casting or to forsake it, then goes on to give you divine casting.

So it's like a 10-level Dragon Disciple.  You take a level of Ur-Priest, immediately lose the benefits because you have divine casting, and then immediately gain them again because you lost your divine casting.  Repeat until you hit stack overflow error and the DM handwaves it to make the game work.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Let's not forget the Survivor, whose prerequisites are almost guaranteed to be invalidated once you take the first level of the class.

Or the ur-priest, which is completely guaranteed to invalidate itself.

Explain?

Ur-Priest requires you either not to have divine casting or to forsake it, then goes on to give you divine casting.

So it's like a 10-level Dragon Disciple.  You take a level of Ur-Priest, immediately lose the benefits because you have divine casting, and then immediately gain them again because you lost your divine casting.  Repeat until you hit stack overflow error and the DM handwaves it to make the game work.

Well, if you forsake your divine casting you don't get it back just because you lost your ur-priest prereq.  I think you'd count as forsaking your ur-priest casting, which would go on to qualify you for ur-priest... without casting.

[X-Codes]

Let's not forget the Survivor, whose prerequisites are almost guaranteed to be invalidated once you take the first level of the class.

Or the ur-priest, which is completely guaranteed to invalidate itself.

Explain?

Ur-Priest requires you either not to have divine casting or to forsake it, then goes on to give you divine casting.

So it's like a 10-level Dragon Disciple.  You take a level of Ur-Priest, immediately lose the benefits because you have divine casting, and then immediately gain them again because you lost your divine casting.  Repeat until you hit stack overflow error and the DM handwaves it to make the game work.

Well, if you forsake your divine casting you don't get it back just because you lost your ur-priest prereq.  I think you'd count as forsaking your ur-priest casting, which would go on to qualify you for ur-priest... without casting.

But if you have your ur-priest divine casting negated by not qualifying, then you are no longer able to cast divine spells (once again) and auto re-qualify.

[LordBlades]

The way I see it: In the ur-priest entry it clearly states 'If such spellcasting ability was possesed, that ability is forever forsaken'.
So, you take first ur-priest level, you get divine spellcasting, you stop qualifying for ur-priest, you lose spellcasting. Regardless, of the fact that you now qualify, you possessed the ur-priest casting before, and therefore it's 'forever forsaken'.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

The way I see it: In the ur-priest entry it clearly states 'If such spellcasting ability was possesed, that ability is forever forsaken'.
So, you take first ur-priest level, you get divine spellcasting, you stop qualifying for ur-priest, you lose spellcasting. Regardless, of the fact that you now qualify, you possessed the ur-priest casting before, and therefore it's 'forever forsaken'.

That's exactly what I was trying to say.