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kharmakazy

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Easiest way to create a subserviant race?
« on: February 08, 2011, 04:29:11 PM »
So long story short, my character is playing in a setting where Io never existed, and he wants to step up and take his job.

Not really optimized in any way to do this at this point... as I am a Kobold DFA 4...

Best way I came up with is a magic item with polymorph at least once a day and assume su ability from SS to get manipulate form from a saruhk. Get a flowing time demiplane and some kobold eggs. Once I have enough followers in this setting I ascend to godhood.

Any other ways to accomplish this goal? I'd like to accomplish creating a new dragon-like race that follows me, but the pun-pun route is just one path there (and an easily DM vetoed one at that).
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Re: Easiest way to create a subserviant race?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2011, 04:35:49 PM »
diplomacy is your friend
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Re: Easiest way to create a subserviant race?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2011, 04:47:00 PM »
Making them subserviant is an issue, of course. But I figured if I littered the plane with graven images of me and pop in every couple hundred years they will just naturally follow me.
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Re: Easiest way to create a subserviant race?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2011, 08:34:53 PM »
Thrallherd + Genesis

then : kill your followers ala Thrallherd sacrifice, but on the Genesis Plane.

then : Raise Dead + el chealpo diplomance = dead fanatics

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Re: Easiest way to create a subserviant race?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2011, 04:16:17 AM »
Write up a statblock for a race with a -2 racial penalty to Intelligence.  Find a commoner, and use PAO to turn it into a member of that race.  Rinse and repeat until your new little species has enough genetic diversity to procreate and survive, and eventually they'll start training warriors, experts, etc. all on their own.
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Re: Easiest way to create a subserviant race?
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2011, 04:25:30 PM »
An intelligence penalty might make it harder for them to imagine what is happening, but Sense Motive and will saves are Wisdom based.

I agree with altpersona and awaken DM golem on the diplomancy part.  It truly is your easiest (non-pun-pun) path.

Take one level in Binder (for Naberious), cleric (for Mind and Herald domains), marshal (for skill focus diplomacy, and motivate charisma aura).  As a DFA, you can pick up Beguiling Influence.

Aren't Kobolds inately subservient to true dragons in general?  As a Kobold, you did take Dragonwrought, right?  Establish yourself as their leader, and kobolds should be all you need.

Thralherd is just awesome in general... have your believers labor to raise the funds to pay for simulacrum scrolls, then pop clones of yourself with thrallherd control quotas of their own.  It's the gift that keeps on giving.
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Re: Easiest way to create a subserviant race?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2011, 04:29:34 PM »
Might be something: a homebrew "craft monster" feat.
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Re: Easiest way to create a subserviant race?
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2011, 11:46:47 PM »
Quote from: Felix Underwood on February 09, 2011, 04:25:30 PM
An intelligence penalty might make it harder for them to imagine what is happening, but Sense Motive and will saves are Wisdom based.
The Intelligence penalty is to make PaO permanent on the first casting.
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Re: Easiest way to create a subserviant race?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2011, 12:41:16 AM »
1) Give your race a complete inability to use arcane magic or psionics
2) Give your race the requirement to have a certain domain as divine casters (as genasi do)
3) Be the fiend of blasphemy/radiant idol that grants all that race's cleric's powers
4) Set up a theocracy.
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Re: Easiest way to create a subserviant race?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2011, 02:20:27 PM »
ah, got it X-Codes..  (along that line of thinking, 10's and 11's are just the human average, there should be no shortage of below-average folks running around.  At least, I'd think as much looking around my area IRL)  :D

Mad_Linquist, I think the OP is asking "How" does a PC create the race...
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Re: Easiest way to create a subserviant race?
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2011, 04:06:31 PM »
Is there a 3.5 version of genesis? The psionic variant specifies that you don't get to set the planar traits... Flowing time is sort of necessary in order to populate the plane in a timely fashion...
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Re: Easiest way to create a subserviant race?
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2011, 07:56:57 PM »
Quote from: kharmakazy on February 11, 2011, 04:06:31 PM
Is there a 3.5 version of genesis? The psionic variant specifies that you don't get to set the planar traits... Flowing time is sort of necessary in order to populate the plane in a timely fashion...
Can make their lifecycle similar to kobolds.

I assume the 3.5e Genesis spell is in the SRD.
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Re: Easiest way to create a subserviant race?
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2011, 08:13:43 PM »
Quote from: X-Codes on February 11, 2011, 07:56:57 PM
Quote from: kharmakazy on February 11, 2011, 04:06:31 PM
Is there a 3.5 version of genesis? The psionic variant specifies that you don't get to set the planar traits... Flowing time is sort of necessary in order to populate the plane in a timely fashion...
Can make their lifecycle similar to kobolds.

I assume the 3.5e Genesis spell is in the SRD.

Actually, it's from the Epic Level Handbook, which is 3.0, but since it's included in the SRD I suppose it counts as 3.5. Still - 3.0 material, not 3.5.
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