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Help Converting a 3.0 3rd party creature into 3.5
« on: February 03, 2011, 05:56:41 PM »
This is the creature. It pecks out your eyes.



It's also a Harnworld creature that was converted into d20 for those who wanted to do Harn, but with D&D rules. I know this is 3.0 because all of the pre-generated characters have Innuendo, Wilderness Lore, and Scry.

From what I can gather, it's supposed to be a tiny magical beast. The feat is not listed here, the initiative is wrong, and it doesn't have darkvision listed. It also doesn't have an advancement chart for HD progression and size changes. As well, the special attack doesn't specify what ability score increases the DC. I'm thinking CON-based. DC 11+CON mod+1/2 HD (rounded up).

Just looking for a bit of help to convert it over properly, with a bit of math (of which I'm not good with), and either confirm or challenge whether this creature would be a magical beast or not.

Also, you're more than welcome to use this for your own campaigns if you can fit something like this in there.

BTW, this creature IS summonable. It doesn't state which spell, but being only 1 HD, I'm thinking Summon Monster I.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2011, 06:16:07 PM by kevin_video »
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Re: Help Converting a 3.0 3rd party creature into 3.5
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2011, 06:42:28 PM »
Instead of Magical Beast, Beast is probably fine,
I don't see any "magic" going on.
Gah ! too much time spent (wasted) with 4e ... Animal.

The tiny part doesn't change the hit dice advancement.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/improvingMonsters.htm#increasingHitDice
Size increases are on the next table. It changes other stuff.
LA+1 is common for Large monsters, compared to their Medium counterparts.

Improved Initiative feat, works fine for a tear your eyes out monster.
Darkvision = go for it. That's not enough of an upgrade to worry.
Lots of things have LowLight and/or Darkvision at level 1.

Reflex works for swatting birds away from your head.
But if you wanna go Con as part of the bonus,
say instead of Dex, like as a Weapon Finesse type attack ...
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Re: Help Converting a 3.0 3rd party creature into 3.5
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2011, 07:15:26 PM »
Wow. I have no idea how those numbers in its stat block were generated.

Anyways, how's this for you? I gave it Spring Attack as a bonus feat to simplify the eye gouging ability, and to make up for the fact that the Vlasta's tiny size means it doesn't have the 5 ft. reach it used to have. This way, it can still attack its primary target without provoking AoOs from it, although other nearby enemies will still get to attack it. If you'd rather it not have Spring Attack in general, you can move it back into the eye gouging attack. Speaking of which, I also changed the eye gouge to functioning against flat-footed opponents. Again, you can switch it back to surprise round/first round of combat, but I think flat-footed works better. Finally, it gets Weapon Finesse so it can use its Dex instead of Str for attacks. Unllike most 1 HD creatures, Magical Beasts have full BaB, so they actually qualify for Weapon Finesse normally. If you change its type to something else without full BaB, make sure to set Weapon Finesse to a bonus feat and give it something trivial as its regular feat (like Alertness).
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Vlasta
Tiny Magical Beast (Ivashu)
Hit Dice: 1d10 (6 hp)
Initiative: +4
Speed: 40 ft.
Armor Class: 16( +2 Size, +4 Dex) touch 16, flat-footed 12
Base Attack/Grapple: +1/-11
Attack: 2 Claws +7 melee (1d4-3)
   or Peck +7 melee (1d6-3)
Full Attack: 2 Claw +7 melee (1d4-3)
   and Peck +2 melee (1d6-3)
Space/Reach: 2.5 ft./0 ft.
Special Attacks: Eye Gouge
Special Qualities: None
Saves: Fort +2, Ref +6, Will -1
Abilities: Str 5, Dex 19, Con 10, Int 2, Wis 9, Cha 4
Skills: Hide +14, Move Silently +6
Feats: Weapon Finesse, Spring Attack (B)
Environment: ???
Organization: ???
Challenge Rating: 1/2
Treasure: None
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
Advancement: 2-4 HD (Tiny), 5-10 HD (Small)
Level Adjustment: --

Eye Gouge (Ex): A Vlasta that uses its Spring Attack feat to make a successful Peck attack against a flat-footed target attempts to gore the subject's eyes with rapid pecks and gouges. If the subject took any damage from the Peck attack, it must make a DC 10 Reflex save or become permanently blinded. This blindness can be cured by any normal means of removing blindness, or by a regenerate spell or similar effect. The save DC of this ability is Constitution-based.

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Edit: Fixed some stats. And Maat's right, the ability's save DC can be Dex-based, magical beast traits should give it darkvision/low-light vision, and its natural attacks' base damage dice should be reduced according to its very small size.
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Re: Help Converting a 3.0 3rd party creature into 3.5
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2011, 08:04:11 PM »
Garryl beat me to posting, but mine is different enough that I'll post it anyway.  His numbers for HP, grapple, and skills seem wrong.  Tiny creatures get +8 hide, and magical beasts get darkvision and low-light vision by virtue of type.  I elected to go with standard damage for the size.

Size/Type:    Tiny Magical Beast
Hit Dice:    1d10 (5 hp)
Initiative:    +4
Speed:    40 ft. (8 squares)
Armor Class:    16 (+2 size, +4 Dex), touch 16, flat-footed 12
Base Attack/Grapple:    +1/-10
Attack:    Beak +7 melee (1d3-3)
Full Attack:    Beak +7 melee (1d3-3) and 2 claws +2 melee (1d2-3)
Space/Reach:    2½ ft./0 ft.
Special Attacks:    Blinding, pounce
Special Qualities:    Darkvision 60 ft., low-light vision
Saves:    Fort +2, Ref +6, Will -1
Abilities:    Str 5, Dex 19, Con 10, Int 2, Wis 9, Cha 4
Skills:    Hide +12, Move Silently +8
Feats:    [?], Weapon Finesse (B)
Environment:    [?]
Organization:    [?]
Challenge Rating:    [?]
Advancement:    [?]
Level Adjustment:    

Based on the murder of crows from Tome of Magic, I'm going with a dexterity-based save DC for blinding, so DC 14.

It really should be completely neutral, since it only has int 2.
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Re: Help Converting a 3.0 3rd party creature into 3.5
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2011, 09:36:38 PM »
I was thinking about what awaken DM golem said, and it makes a little sense. The creature is basically a tiny raptor, and dinosaurs are only animals. Back in 3.0 I think they had d10 HD, but were lowered to d8 HD. So it could be just a regular tiny animal. Harn doesn't have many, if any, magical beasts so it does make some sense. Especially with INT 2. But then that wouldn't explain the +8 attack for the beak.

I didn't realize that you could have a DEX-based special attack. That's cool. However, don't you at least have a +1 from HD? I know it's 1/2 rounded down, but doesn't it have to be a minimum of 1?

I noticed that everyone's got -3 for STR penalties, yet the original doesn't have that. It doesn't make sense that it wouldn't have that. Unless they had no idea what they were doing.

Even though the creature is probably supposed to be neutral, it could have the chaotic subtype. Maybe that's why it's CN?
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Re: Help Converting a 3.0 3rd party creature into 3.5
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2011, 10:30:27 PM »
The creature is basically a tiny raptor, and dinosaurs are only animals. Back in 3.0 I think they had d10 HD, but were lowered to d8 HD.

Dinosaurs used to have the now-defunct beast type. 

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Beast
Beast: A beast is a nonhistorical, vertebrate creature with a reasonably normal anatomy and no magical or unusual abilities.   Beasts have Intelligence scores of 1 or 2.  Unless noted otherwise, beasts have low-light vision and darkvision with a range of 60 feet.
Hit Die: d10
Attack Bonus: Total HDx3/4 (as cleric)
Good Saving Throws: Fortitude and Reflex
Skill Points: 10-15
Feats: -

However, don't you at least have a +1 from HD? I know it's 1/2 rounded down, but doesn't it have to be a minimum of 1?

No, creatures with less than 2 HD add +0 from HD to save DCs. 

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Re: Help Converting a 3.0 3rd party creature into 3.5
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2011, 01:42:04 AM »
If the picture is of any value, it's also got foreclaws that aren't mentioned. I really would like to know what exactly is going on here with this creature. They don't even name the creature's eye bite attack.
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