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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #520 on: February 04, 2011, 05:07:25 AM »
Anything else? (except Agita's find)
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #521 on: February 04, 2011, 05:08:59 AM »
It's not a weapon or natural attack, though, so dr isn't going to apply anyway.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #522 on: February 04, 2011, 10:35:06 AM »
Bump for question 98

Q98: Is there anything, by RAW, that prevents someone from making an attack of opportunity on an object that passes through a threatened tile?
Asking the wrong question.  You need a rule to *allow* that.  You can make AoO's on creatures, so the object would have to be somehow animated in order for you to make an AoO on it for passing through threatened squares.
... or, if the object is being carried, I guess you could use your AoO to sunder. :shrug

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #523 on: February 04, 2011, 11:02:49 AM »
Q98: Is there anything, by RAW, that allows someone to make an attack of opportunity on an object that passes through a threatened tile?
Asking the wrong question.  You need a rule to *allow* that.  You can make AoO's on creatures, so the object would have to be somehow animated in order for you to make an AoO on it for passing through threatened squares.
... or, if the object is being carried, I guess you could use your AoO to sunder. :shrug
This is exactly what I want to do, actually. My party is about to cross a valley full of giants hurling giant objects at each other, and I'm trying to find ways to use my crazy powerful sunder abilities to break the boulders before they hit me. My rationale is that a moving object could still provoke reflexes, and as long as it uses up one an AoO it should still be balanced. I'm just trying to get some rules-backing before the game so that I can discuss it with my DM beforehand, and thus we can modify our plans as needed.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #524 on: February 04, 2011, 12:36:06 PM »
Q98: Is there anything, by RAW, that allows someone to make an attack of opportunity on an object that passes through a threatened tile?
Asking the wrong question.  You need a rule to *allow* that.  You can make AoO's on creatures, so the object would have to be somehow animated in order for you to make an AoO on it for passing through threatened squares.
... or, if the object is being carried, I guess you could use your AoO to sunder. :shrug
This is exactly what I want to do, actually. My party is about to cross a valley full of giants hurling giant objects at each other, and I'm trying to find ways to use my crazy powerful sunder abilities to break the boulders before they hit me. My rationale is that a moving object could still provoke reflexes, and as long as it uses up one an AoO it should still be balanced. I'm just trying to get some rules-backing before the game so that I can discuss it with my DM beforehand, and thus we can modify our plans as needed.
you mean while it's flying through the air?  if so, I think you're out of luck.

I guess you could maybe ready an action for when the rock gets thrown ... but now you're in houserule territory.
As a DM, I might rule it like this:
- must ready an action
- make sunder attempt, and count the rock as a 2-handed weapon .... just remember the size modifiers.
No AoO on the rock ... also remember that the rock is gonna have some crazy hit points ... if you don't break it, you take the damage and possibly break your weapon; if you break the rock, reflex save vs. something or take 1/2 damage (save = no damage)

but that's just off the top of my head ... :shrug

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #525 on: February 04, 2011, 02:51:52 PM »
Q98: Is there anything, by RAW, that allows someone to make an attack of opportunity on an object that passes through a threatened tile?
Asking the wrong question.  You need a rule to *allow* that.  You can make AoO's on creatures, so the object would have to be somehow animated in order for you to make an AoO on it for passing through threatened squares.
... or, if the object is being carried, I guess you could use your AoO to sunder. :shrug
This is exactly what I want to do, actually. My party is about to cross a valley full of giants hurling giant objects at each other, and I'm trying to find ways to use my crazy powerful sunder abilities to break the boulders before they hit me. My rationale is that a moving object could still provoke reflexes, and as long as it uses up one an AoO it should still be balanced. I'm just trying to get some rules-backing before the game so that I can discuss it with my DM beforehand, and thus we can modify our plans as needed.

Your rationale fails to take into account that it's not your turn, so you don't get to make any attacks unless you have a rules-based exception that says you do.  Attack of opportunity is "A single extra melee attack per round that a combatant can make when an opponent within reach takes an action that provokes attacks of opportunity.  Cover prevents attacks of opportunity" (emphasis mine).  A boulder, while it may have been launched by an opponent, is not an opponent and therefore is not covered under this exception.

You can try to argue to your DM that it's balanced to allow it, but if you're looking for rules support, it supports you not being able to do this.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #526 on: February 04, 2011, 04:13:40 PM »
Q98: Is there anything, by RAW, that allows someone to make an attack of opportunity on an object that passes through a threatened tile?
Asking the wrong question.  You need a rule to *allow* that.  You can make AoO's on creatures, so the object would have to be somehow animated in order for you to make an AoO on it for passing through threatened squares.
... or, if the object is being carried, I guess you could use your AoO to sunder. :shrug
This is exactly what I want to do, actually. My party is about to cross a valley full of giants hurling giant objects at each other, and I'm trying to find ways to use my crazy powerful sunder abilities to break the boulders before they hit me. My rationale is that a moving object could still provoke reflexes, and as long as it uses up one an AoO it should still be balanced. I'm just trying to get some rules-backing before the game so that I can discuss it with my DM beforehand, and thus we can modify our plans as needed.

Your rationale fails to take into account that it's not your turn, so you don't get to make any attacks unless you have a rules-based exception that says you do.  Attack of opportunity is "A single extra melee attack per round that a combatant can make when an opponent within reach takes an action that provokes attacks of opportunity.  Cover prevents attacks of opportunity" (emphasis mine).  A boulder, while it may have been launched by an opponent, is not an opponent and therefore is not covered under this exception.

You can try to argue to your DM that it's balanced to allow it, but if you're looking for rules support, it supports you not being able to do this.

Think of it this way, if you could sunder boulders what is to stop you sundering other ranged attacks, like arrows?

what would be awesome though is having deflect arrows and deflecting the boulder as it comes in.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #527 on: February 04, 2011, 06:25:41 PM »
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #528 on: February 04, 2011, 07:25:10 PM »
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #529 on: February 04, 2011, 07:39:55 PM »
This is exactly what I want to do, actually. My party is about to cross a valley full of giants hurling giant objects at each other, and I'm trying to find ways to use my crazy powerful sunder abilities to break the boulders before they hit me. My rationale is that a moving object could still provoke reflexes, and as long as it uses up one an AoO it should still be balanced. I'm just trying to get some rules-backing before the game so that I can discuss it with my DM beforehand, and thus we can modify our plans as needed.

Does attacking with a thrown weapon provoke attacks of opportunity? I think it does, in which case, if a Giant throws a boulder within your threatened area you can sunder the boulder as an AoO definitely. That's the best rules coverage you're going to get though.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #530 on: February 04, 2011, 07:51:01 PM »
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #531 on: February 04, 2011, 08:54:22 PM »
Q143: The Intimidating Strike feat says, "You cannot use this feat to worsen an opponent's fear condition beyond shaken," but can you first Intimidating Strike a guy in order to set up Imperious Command? By which I mean, if you Intimidating Strike a guy causing him to be shaken for the rest of the encounter can you then make them Cower for the rest of the encounter with a successful Imperious Command?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #532 on: February 04, 2011, 08:55:19 PM »
Q 144 How does one get a masterwork exotic weapon at 1st level?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #533 on: February 04, 2011, 08:57:57 PM »
Q 145 Is there a feat or some other way to use action points to get extra uses per day of normally X/day abilities?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #534 on: February 04, 2011, 09:16:19 PM »
Q 144 How does one get a masterwork exotic weapon at 1st level?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #535 on: February 04, 2011, 09:18:48 PM »
A 145 The SRD version of action points lets you get 1 extra use of an X/day class ability for the cost of 1 action point.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/actionpoints.htm

But for non-class abilities, I don't know. Maybe emulate a feat that gives you bonus uses of the specific X/day ability. (Which is almost what your question asks.)

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #536 on: February 04, 2011, 09:32:23 PM »
Q143: The Intimidating Strike feat says, "You cannot use this feat to worsen an opponent's fear condition beyond shaken," but can you first Intimidating Strike a guy in order to set up Imperious Command? By which I mean, if you Intimidating Strike a guy causing him to be shaken for the rest of the encounter can you then make them Cower for the rest of the encounter with a successful Imperious Command?
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Imperious Command seems to have no stipulation pertaining to opponents that are already shaken ... so no.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #537 on: February 04, 2011, 09:35:36 PM »
Q143: The Intimidating Strike feat says, "You cannot use this feat to worsen an opponent's fear condition beyond shaken," but can you first Intimidating Strike a guy in order to set up Imperious Command? By which I mean, if you Intimidating Strike a guy causing him to be shaken for the rest of the encounter can you then make them Cower for the rest of the encounter with a successful Imperious Command?

A 143:  Yes.  The standard fear rules state that when stacking two fear effects, you take the most powerful effect (usually adding them together) and it applies for the longest duration of any of the effects.  Intimidating Strike can't worsen someone's fear (so it doesn't stack in that way) but it has nothing about any inability to keep a duration going, so if any other fear effect hits while Intimidating Strike applies, it will continue at that fear level for the remainder of the duration of IS.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #538 on: February 04, 2011, 09:42:43 PM »
Q143: The Intimidating Strike feat says, "You cannot use this feat to worsen an opponent's fear condition beyond shaken," but can you first Intimidating Strike a guy in order to set up Imperious Command? By which I mean, if you Intimidating Strike a guy causing him to be shaken for the rest of the encounter can you then make them Cower for the rest of the encounter with a successful Imperious Command?

A 143:  Yes.  The standard fear rules state that when stacking two fear effects, you take the most powerful effect (usually adding them together) and it applies for the longest duration of any of the effects.  Intimidating Strike can't worsen someone's fear (so it doesn't stack in that way) but it has nothing about any inability to keep a duration going, so if any other fear effect hits while Intimidating Strike applies, it will continue at that fear level for the remainder of the duration of IS.

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I don't think the Cowering effect is strictly a fear condition here, it seems to be an add-on effect.

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« Reply #539 on: February 04, 2011, 10:15:36 PM »
I was looking at it from JaronK's point of view, but I wasn't 100% sure myself. I guess I'll ask the DM.