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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #380 on: January 31, 2011, 05:23:31 AM »
A102: That's a tough one, you'll probably have to take it up with your DM.  That said, if you have a natural weapon then you can absolutely make a glaive attack against a guy that's 10' away and an attack with your natural weapon against the guy that's adjacent (at a -5 penalty for using it as a secondary attack, it doesn't use an iterative attack to do).  Good, cheap ways to get natural weapons include items of Fist of Stone and/or Alter Self.
Unfortunately those are mage spells. I'll dig around for Cleric spells with the same effect. I could always wear (spiked) Gauntlets, right?
A102  It depends if you have iterative attacks or not.   Say you have two attacks, one at +6 and one at +1.  You can use the +6 to attack with the glaive, and the other one with a spiked gauntlet (Would not suggest unarmed unless you're proficient due to the AoO).  Or you could reverse the attacks.

The only time you would incur the TWF penalties would be if you did not have multiple attacks or made an extra one in addition to your attacks from BAB. 
Right thanx. Is this your interpretation or is this supported by RAW somewhere? Sounds logical I must admit. The same would go for AoO. Even the monsters on 5' would trigger an AoO which could be executed with an unarmed strike or (spiked) gauntlet, right?

Both would mean releasing an regripping a 2-handed weapon as a free action without penalties. I would like to have something on paper that supports this. Anyone?

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« Reply #381 on: January 31, 2011, 05:33:57 AM »
Q 103 Using the system for creating epic spells, how would one create an epic spell version of miracle that could duplicate 9th lvl spells, and still be evocation?

Q 104 Also using the system for creating epic spells, is it possible to create a spell that would bestow divine rank upon you, preferrably while being evocation, conjuration (creation) or conjuration (summoning)?
By wotc sources you can get something similar to what you want in your first question by using the shadow seed in Lost Empires of Faerun....
You could make such a spell by combining the shadow seed with a seed tha uses evocation......
Now about the second question,there is not anything that can help you since no WotC source had a seed that bestowed  divine ranks,
now there several homebrews and third party books that have information about ascending(getting divine ranks) but I don't know if they would be accepted in your campaign....
If Homebrew and third party are usable I would be happy to help you by pointing out sources of information....

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #382 on: January 31, 2011, 06:10:10 AM »
A102: That's a tough one, you'll probably have to take it up with your DM.  That said, if you have a natural weapon then you can absolutely make a glaive attack against a guy that's 10' away and an attack with your natural weapon against the guy that's adjacent (at a -5 penalty for using it as a secondary attack, it doesn't use an iterative attack to do).  Good, cheap ways to get natural weapons include items of Fist of Stone and/or Alter Self.
Unfortunately those are mage spells. I'll dig around for Cleric spells with the same effect. I could always wear (spiked) Gauntlets, right?
A102  It depends if you have iterative attacks or not.   Say you have two attacks, one at +6 and one at +1.  You can use the +6 to attack with the glaive, and the other one with a spiked gauntlet (Would not suggest unarmed unless you're proficient due to the AoO).  Or you could reverse the attacks.

The only time you would incur the TWF penalties would be if you did not have multiple attacks or made an extra one in addition to your attacks from BAB. 
Right thanx. Is this your interpretation or is this supported by RAW somewhere? Sounds logical I must admit. The same would go for AoO. Even the monsters on 5' would trigger an AoO which could be executed with an unarmed strike or (spiked) gauntlet, right?

Both would mean releasing an regripping a 2-handed weapon as a free action without penalties. I would like to have something on paper that supports this. Anyone?
Yeah... that's the problem, I'm, personally, not sold on the idea of using a spiked gauntlet and a glaive interchangeably during a full attack without the TWF penalties, and I don't know of a rules quote to cite that says otherwise.  The natural weapon (slam can work, although a tail slap/bite/gore attack are also good) absolutely works; they go off a completely different mechanic than TWF.  Since you're a Cleric, you can actually cast Girallon's Blessing.  It's a bit higher-level, but will give you two more arms and four claw attacks (one with each hand).  That would be two for the Glaive, one for a Shield, and one left open for a secondary claw against adjacent opponents and/or for casting spells.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #383 on: January 31, 2011, 06:26:16 AM »
A102: That's a tough one, you'll probably have to take it up with your DM.  That said, if you have a natural weapon then you can absolutely make a glaive attack against a guy that's 10' away and an attack with your natural weapon against the guy that's adjacent (at a -5 penalty for using it as a secondary attack, it doesn't use an iterative attack to do).  Good, cheap ways to get natural weapons include items of Fist of Stone and/or Alter Self.
Unfortunately those are mage spells. I'll dig around for Cleric spells with the same effect. I could always wear (spiked) Gauntlets, right?
A102  It depends if you have iterative attacks or not.   Say you have two attacks, one at +6 and one at +1.  You can use the +6 to attack with the glaive, and the other one with a spiked gauntlet (Would not suggest unarmed unless you're proficient due to the AoO).  Or you could reverse the attacks.

The only time you would incur the TWF penalties would be if you did not have multiple attacks or made an extra one in addition to your attacks from BAB. 
Right thanx. Is this your interpretation or is this supported by RAW somewhere? Sounds logical I must admit. The same would go for AoO. Even the monsters on 5' would trigger an AoO which could be executed with an unarmed strike or (spiked) gauntlet, right?

Both would mean releasing an regripping a 2-handed weapon as a free action without penalties. I would like to have something on paper that supports this. Anyone?
Yeah... that's the problem, I'm, personally, not sold on the idea of using a spiked gauntlet and a glaive interchangeably during a full attack without the TWF penalties, and I don't know of a rules quote to cite that says otherwise.  The natural weapon (slam can work, although a tail slap/bite/gore attack are also good) absolutely works; they go off a completely different mechanic than TWF.  Since you're a Cleric, you can actually cast Girallon's Blessing.  It's a bit higher-level, but will give you two more arms and four claw attacks (one with each hand).  That would be two for the Glaive, one for a Shield, and one left open for a secondary claw against adjacent opponents and/or for casting spells.
I'm a 1st level Cleric :) I'd settle for AoO with a gauntlet. But maybe I'm looking at it wrong. Armor Spikes might do the same thing without releasing the glaive. Improved unarmed strike should work as well. I'll kick him. Or headbut or whatever.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #384 on: January 31, 2011, 06:52:15 AM »
Well, at first level there's definitely no way to do it without a natural weapon.  It comes down like this:

1) Use both weapons interchangibly in a single attack sequence.  Actually need an iterative attack to do this.
2) Wield both weapons simultaneously, taking TWF penalties.
3) Use one glaive and a natural weapon.  The natural weapon becomes a secondary natural attack, the glaive uses the normal routine.

If memory serves, Girallon's Blessing is 3rd-level, so you'll get it before you get your first iterative, anyway.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #385 on: January 31, 2011, 07:27:06 AM »
Q106 While you are doing a mounted charge does your mount get to attack? I can't seem to find rules that say it doesn't....
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #386 on: January 31, 2011, 07:37:33 AM »
Q106 While you are doing a mounted charge does your mount get to attack? I can't seem to find rules that say it doesn't....
It requires a DC 10 Ride check *and* a war-trained mount.  Otherwise, you can't attack if your mount does.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #387 on: January 31, 2011, 07:59:09 AM »
Q 105 Other than RAW, is there anything saying you can't go druid/paladin for the Devoted Tracker feat? I mean the druid has wild empathy too, and it wouldn't take anything to gain the Track feat.
As far as I can tell, it's legal, although the only relevant thing you get is the ability to designate your special mount as your animal companion..
And gain all those bonuses. That adds up after a while.
There's the problem of incompatible alignment prerequisites. Druid wants you to be any Neutral, Paladin wants you to be Lawful Good. If you can bypass those (e.g. with one of the variant Paladins from Dragon mag), then there's nothing keeping you.
As for the bonuses, RAW Devoted Tracker makes only Paladin and Ranger levels stack for Smite Evil and Wild Empathy, there is no mention of Druid anywhere in the text. It's perfectly reasonable to rule otherwise, especially since a Druid loses more by multiclassing into Paladin than a Ranger, but that's how it's written.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #388 on: January 31, 2011, 08:46:31 AM »
Well, you could be a diabolus (dragon compendium), which gives the [chaotic] subtype for LA+1, then go paladin of freedom.
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« Reply #389 on: January 31, 2011, 12:48:21 PM »
Q 105 Other than RAW, is there anything saying you can't go druid/paladin for the Devoted Tracker feat? I mean the druid has wild empathy too, and it wouldn't take anything to gain the Track feat.
As far as I can tell, it's legal, although the only relevant thing you get is the ability to designate your special mount as your animal companion..
And gain all those bonuses. That adds up after a while.
There's the problem of incompatible alignment prerequisites. Druid wants you to be any Neutral, Paladin wants you to be Lawful Good. If you can bypass those (e.g. with one of the variant Paladins from Dragon mag), then there's nothing keeping you.
As for the bonuses, RAW Devoted Tracker makes only Paladin and Ranger levels stack for Smite Evil and Wild Empathy, there is no mention of Druid anywhere in the text. It's perfectly reasonable to rule otherwise, especially since a Druid loses more by multiclassing into Paladin than a Ranger, but that's how it's written.
Right. Hence why I started the question saying "Other than RAW".
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #390 on: January 31, 2011, 12:57:53 PM »
Q 105 Other than RAW, is there anything saying you can't go druid/paladin for the Devoted Tracker feat? I mean the druid has wild empathy too, and it wouldn't take anything to gain the Track feat.
As far as I can tell, it's legal, although the only relevant thing you get is the ability to designate your special mount as your animal companion..
And gain all those bonuses. That adds up after a while.
There's the problem of incompatible alignment prerequisites. Druid wants you to be any Neutral, Paladin wants you to be Lawful Good. If you can bypass those (e.g. with one of the variant Paladins from Dragon mag), then there's nothing keeping you.
As for the bonuses, RAW Devoted Tracker makes only Paladin and Ranger levels stack for Smite Evil and Wild Empathy, there is no mention of Druid anywhere in the text. It's perfectly reasonable to rule otherwise, especially since a Druid loses more by multiclassing into Paladin than a Ranger, but that's how it's written.
Right. Hence why I started the question saying "Other than RAW".
Well, RAW there's nothing keeping him either, he just won't get much of use out of it. If modified to work with Druid levels, I can see it working, though you're basically trading a level or more of spell progression and wild shape progression for Smite Evil 1/day. If that's what floats your boat, go for it.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #391 on: January 31, 2011, 01:04:32 PM »
Q 105 Other than RAW, is there anything saying you can't go druid/paladin for the Devoted Tracker feat? I mean the druid has wild empathy too, and it wouldn't take anything to gain the Track feat.
As far as I can tell, it's legal, although the only relevant thing you get is the ability to designate your special mount as your animal companion..
And gain all those bonuses. That adds up after a while.
There's the problem of incompatible alignment prerequisites. Druid wants you to be any Neutral, Paladin wants you to be Lawful Good. If you can bypass those (e.g. with one of the variant Paladins from Dragon mag), then there's nothing keeping you.
As for the bonuses, RAW Devoted Tracker makes only Paladin and Ranger levels stack for Smite Evil and Wild Empathy, there is no mention of Druid anywhere in the text. It's perfectly reasonable to rule otherwise, especially since a Druid loses more by multiclassing into Paladin than a Ranger, but that's how it's written.
Right. Hence why I started the question saying "Other than RAW".
Well, RAW there's nothing keeping him either, he just won't get much of use out of it. If modified to work with Druid levels, I can see it working, though you're basically trading a level or more of spell progression and wild shape progression for Smite Evil 1/day. If that's what floats your boat, go for it.
Well, that and Detect Evil at-will, and a mount with animal companion abilities. I don't know. I kind of like the idea of a mount with +20 HD, +22 natural armor, +10 Str and +6 Dex, 7 bonus tricks, and a bunch of special abilities like improved evasion and spell resistance. But that could just be me. Of course if your campaign doesn't allow for your mount to be worth while though, it wouldn't be in your best interest to even consider it.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #392 on: January 31, 2011, 01:10:04 PM »
Q 105 Other than RAW, is there anything saying you can't go druid/paladin for the Devoted Tracker feat? I mean the druid has wild empathy too, and it wouldn't take anything to gain the Track feat.
As far as I can tell, it's legal, although the only relevant thing you get is the ability to designate your special mount as your animal companion..
And gain all those bonuses. That adds up after a while.
There's the problem of incompatible alignment prerequisites. Druid wants you to be any Neutral, Paladin wants you to be Lawful Good. If you can bypass those (e.g. with one of the variant Paladins from Dragon mag), then there's nothing keeping you.
As for the bonuses, RAW Devoted Tracker makes only Paladin and Ranger levels stack for Smite Evil and Wild Empathy, there is no mention of Druid anywhere in the text. It's perfectly reasonable to rule otherwise, especially since a Druid loses more by multiclassing into Paladin than a Ranger, but that's how it's written.
Right. Hence why I started the question saying "Other than RAW".
Well, RAW there's nothing keeping him either, he just won't get much of use out of it. If modified to work with Druid levels, I can see it working, though you're basically trading a level or more of spell progression and wild shape progression for Smite Evil 1/day. If that's what floats your boat, go for it.
Well, that and Detect Evil at-will, and a mount with animal companion abilities. I don't know. I kind of like the idea of a mount with +20 HD, +22 natural armor, +10 Str and +6 Dex, 7 bonus tricks, and a bunch of special abilities like improved evasion and spell resistance. But that could just be me. Of course if your campaign doesn't allow for your mount to be worth while though, it wouldn't be in your best interest to even consider it.
The thing is you seem to be looking at the mount from the Paladin's point of view. I'm looking at it from the Druid's point of view. Which reminds me that you have to be a Paladin 5 to even get the Mount abilities, which is a horrible, horrible idea for the Druid unless you're going straight for a Supermount build.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #393 on: January 31, 2011, 01:51:53 PM »
Q 107

What are the most recent rules on what domains Archdukes of Baator grant clerics that worship them, specifically Asmodeus? I think there's domain lists in BoVD, but is there anything more recent? In FC II, perhaps?
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« Reply #394 on: January 31, 2011, 02:35:48 PM »
Q 103 Using the system for creating epic spells, how would one create an epic spell version of miracle that could duplicate 9th lvl spells, and still be evocation?

Q 104 Also using the system for creating epic spells, is it possible to create a spell that would bestow divine rank upon you, preferrably while being evocation, conjuration (creation) or conjuration (summoning)?
By wotc sources you can get something similar to what you want in your first question by using the shadow seed in Lost Empires of Faerun....
You could make such a spell by combining the shadow seed with a seed tha uses evocation......
Now about the second question,there is not anything that can help you since no WotC source had a seed that bestowed  divine ranks,
now there several homebrews and third party books that have information about ascending(getting divine ranks) but I don't know if they would be accepted in your campaign....
If Homebrew and third party are usable I would be happy to help you by pointing out sources of information....

If these sources are ones other than the Immortals Handbook: Ascension, I'd love to be pointed towards them, as my DM tends to look at such things on a case by case basis rather than sweeping "No 3rd party" generalizations.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #395 on: January 31, 2011, 03:07:35 PM »
Q 103 Using the system for creating epic spells, how would one create an epic spell version of miracle that could duplicate 9th lvl spells, and still be evocation?

Q 104 Also using the system for creating epic spells, is it possible to create a spell that would bestow divine rank upon you, preferrably while being evocation, conjuration (creation) or conjuration (summoning)?
By wotc sources you can get something similar to what you want in your first question by using the shadow seed in Lost Empires of Faerun....
You could make such a spell by combining the shadow seed with a seed tha uses evocation......
Now about the second question,there is not anything that can help you since no WotC source had a seed that bestowed  divine ranks,
now there several homebrews and third party books that have information about ascending(getting divine ranks) but I don't know if they would be accepted in your campaign....
If Homebrew and third party are usable I would be happy to help you by pointing out sources of information....

If these sources are ones other than the Immortals Handbook: Ascension, I'd love to be pointed towards them, as my DM tends to look at such things on a case by case basis rather than sweeping "No 3rd party" generalizations.
Well yes,Immortal hand book is a source but you seem to allready know about it....
Other third party books like the  Book of Immortals by mongoose publishing,go to a whole anotther route for your epic imoortal characters ,a totally diffferent one,wihtout divine  ranks but rather using a new system
The other options I would know about are Epic Spells that people around the world had developed and posted them to various forums.....
For example this Epic spell ,I can't credit the author since I can not remember who he was......

ASCENSION OF THUNDER AND LIGHTNING
Evocation, Transmutation [Electricity]
Spellcraft DC: 233
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 10 days
Range: Personal; touch
Target: You
Duration: Permanent
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No
To Develop: 2,097,000 gp; 42 days; 83,880 XP. Seeds: transform (DC 36), energy (DC 19). Factors: add divine abilities (DC 300). Mitigating factors: increase casting time to 10 days (-20 DC), burn 10,000 XP (-100 DC), target to personal (-2 DC).

This spell, devised by Talos ages ago, transforms the caster into a demigod. When it is cast, an enormous bolt of lightning strikes down from the heavens as a sign of Talos' favor. This omen marks the apotheosis of the caster into a demigod with a Divine Rank of 1. He gains all the appropriate divine abilities. The spell is permanent, although such an brazen act all but guarantees the caster will have a whole host of divine foes in the future.

Additionally, the caster cannot claim the portfolio of an existing god of his pantheon. He is also bound into the service of Talos unless another god accepts him as a servant. Finally, if Lord Ao chooses not to imbue the caster with divine power, the spell fails and the caster takes 10d6 points of lightning damage (no saving throw). It is possible variants of this spell could be developed that bind the caster to another deity than Talos, but few gods would be willing to give up their divine power to an upstart demigod.

XP Cost: 10,000


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« Reply #396 on: January 31, 2011, 03:26:42 PM »
@Joda:
I would advise you though to work with your dm to create an Epic spell that would work in your campaign.....
Use the Fortify and the Transform seed  to get what you want and add some ad-hoc modifiers for the abilites that are not described in Epic level handbook....
For example ask your dm how much an increase in the Epic's spell Dc he thinks an Salient ability worths....

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« Reply #397 on: January 31, 2011, 03:30:35 PM »
Q 108 Is there an unholy avenger or unholy reaver in 3.5? I looked it up, and the most I could get was the legend of an anti-paladin sword that may have been called the Unholy Reaver in 2E. I know there's a Blackguard's Blade in Book of Vile Darkness, but I was looking for something for the evil paladins (slaughter, tyranny, anti-paladin, etc).
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« Reply #398 on: January 31, 2011, 09:01:12 PM »
Q109: Can you deliver a coup de grace to a creature encased in an Ectoplasmic Cocoon? Obviously you would have to deal enough damage to the cocoon to overcome both its hardness and all of its HP, at least 28 points in a single blow against a full-strength cocoon. Just assume that isn't an issue.

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« Reply #399 on: January 31, 2011, 09:21:37 PM »
Q 108 Is there an unholy avenger or unholy reaver in 3.5? I looked it up, and the most I could get was the legend of an anti-paladin sword that may have been called the Unholy Reaver in 2E. I know there's a Blackguard's Blade in Book of Vile Darkness, but I was looking for something for the evil paladins (slaughter, tyranny, anti-paladin, etc).
I think that there the exact thing that you want was not in any 3.X books or materials....
You could take the Holy avenger and just reverse the alignment axis of its abilities....