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How much gold are consumables worth?
« on: January 08, 2011, 08:51:09 AM »
Most consumables (scrolls, potions, wands, and staves) get a bad rap for being overpriced.  Level 1 spells at CL1 are usually considered worthwhile.

How much, then, are consumables generally worth?
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Re: How much gold are consumables worth?
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2011, 12:14:12 PM »
That question is far too open ended to be answered.

CMW and CSW pots get a lot of crap for being only 2 or 3 times better than CLW but costing 6 or 15 times as much. And before you say Action Economy, barring something like getting a 100 stack of CSW pots at level 1, potions don't heal enough to be viable in combat. And since this isn't DDO and you aren't twinking your alt with 100k plat that doesn't happen.

There are a few > level 1 potions worth using, but they aren't very common, and most of the winners are things like Lesser Vigor, or Conviction, or Shield of Faith.

And then there are consumables that are not potions. Weapon capsules, alchemy items at low levels, stuff like that.

The biggest problem with consumables of the magical variety is that it uses a formula based pricing system when not all spells are created equal.
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Re: How much gold are consumables worth?
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2011, 01:34:33 PM »
Depends upon what they're used for.  Feather token: trees and chaos flasks are considered to be quite good at any level.  Scrolls of glibness are great at any level.

Potions get a bad rap because they cost more than wands or scrolls.
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Re: How much gold are consumables worth?
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2011, 02:08:56 PM »
Depends upon what they're used for.  Feather token: trees and chaos flasks are considered to be quite good at any level.  Scrolls of glibness are great at any level.

Potions get a bad rap because they cost more than wands or scrolls.

I had a lvl 4 gnome illusionist named Tyrion who ended up offending a level ten fighter's wife and being challenged to a fight.  He was trying to cast an invisible ray of nipple hardening while dancing at a noble's ball and rolled a 1 on his concentration check.  He didn't fall flat on his face but only by catching himself on a noblewoman's bust.  The only reason he survived was that he had fashioned a disk thrower (my DM thought the idea was hilarious) and shot a Feather Token: tree at him at rather high velocity when it transformed into a tree.

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Re: How much gold are consumables worth?
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2011, 10:00:39 PM »
Psionic power stones are interesting in that as long as you spend your own pp, they're usable at your manifester level with up to full augmentation. Therefore, they're considerably better than potions.

If you don't use your own pp, they're basically psionic scrolls that are harder to damage.

So THOSE at least can be worthwhile.
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Re: How much gold are consumables worth?
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2011, 10:36:33 PM »
Really, the Cure series of potions should just be concentrated CLW.  So then you just pay for 2 potions and then some time concentrating the liquid (using Craft:Alchemy).

It would be interesting if this was applied to other potions, so that you could buy 3 potions and get the super buff potion:
+4 str, dex, and con = 3 lvl 2 potions

Might make mundanes better too, as they gain from the better action economy
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