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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #480 on: February 04, 2011, 09:51:36 PM »
Racial bonus feats ignore prerequisites.  Class bonus feats do not.

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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #481 on: February 04, 2011, 10:00:09 PM »
Personally speaking, I allow rogues to ignore prereqs (which doesn't allow for epic stuff anyway, since descriptors like [epic] aren't prereqs), simply because it fits into the category of not particularly imbalanced and rather hilarious.

I may be biased a little by the gape of the serpent rogue who went around eating people.
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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #482 on: February 04, 2011, 10:09:59 PM »
Slight addendum. Class bonus feats that explicitly ignore prerequisites do. Others do not.

Well right, because specific overrides general always applies.  In the general case, though, class bonus feats require prerequisites to select and use them, just like level gained bonus feats.  Racial bonus feats don't.  Note that humans have a special note in the opposite direction, in that their bonus feat does require prerequisites because it's specifically stated to do so.

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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #483 on: February 04, 2011, 10:12:35 PM »
Also note that flaws grant "bonus feats" that don't have any text one way or another about prereqs; everybody just assumes they need to meet them.

Martial monk from dragon is probably the easiest way to get past prereqs via bonus feats.  Certainly the most legal.
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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #484 on: February 05, 2011, 12:58:06 AM »
That reminds me of Knowledge Devotion, a level 1 cleric and Knowledge (Anything) 5 ranks...
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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #485 on: February 05, 2011, 07:52:11 AM »
Also note that flaws grant "bonus feats" that don't have any text one way or another about prereqs; everybody just assumes they need to meet them.

The general rule would of course apply (the feats section says feats need prerequisites).  Unless you take Sunic's interpretation of course, in which case you can take Epic Spellcasting at level 1 with a flaw because it's a bonus feat and he doesn't think MM is talking about racial bonus feats.

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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #486 on: February 05, 2011, 03:13:09 PM »
That reminds me of Knowledge Devotion, a level 1 cleric and Knowledge (Anything) 5 ranks...
I think that's a case where you don't have to meet the prerequisite because Clerics have a special way of getting them.  It's basically an alternative class feature.
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