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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #300 on: January 21, 2011, 10:48:42 PM »
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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #301 on: January 21, 2011, 10:51:09 PM »
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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #302 on: January 22, 2011, 03:24:46 AM »
Got no nephews.  Go nuts.

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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #303 on: January 22, 2011, 07:55:27 AM »
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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #304 on: January 22, 2011, 07:58:12 AM »
Is she legal yet?  :smirk

I should hope so.  I didn't say daughter...   :D

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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #305 on: January 22, 2011, 10:21:36 AM »
Pics or didn't happen!

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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #306 on: January 22, 2011, 03:50:30 PM »
I'm a ginger too! What's with the ginger hate!?  :shakefist Just because we've sold our souls to Pazuzu for awesome.

I agree on the point that increasing AC makes it harder for melee beatsticks, but then again, these changes wouldn't affect things that doesn't wear armour, like monsters.

When I said AC equal to BAB, I meant adding it to what it already gives.

And yes, you could get +30 something AC with a cloak, that might make the fighter actually hard enough to hit that the monsters would have troubles with it. It also makes ramping up your AC to the degree where it makes you useless to the others in the group quite meaningless.

But perhaps letting it scale with BAB a bit slower is a good idea. But perhaps just doing something to make it not as easy to bypass AC with spells would be a good idea.

If you insist on having the last word, at least try to make it one worth reading.  You're like a 10 year old thinking he rules the playground because he was able to spout nonsense longer than anyone else.
I was thinking 8-year-old ginger... or perhaps the real Sunic Flames lent his BG account to his special needs nephew or something.
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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #307 on: January 22, 2011, 04:55:36 PM »
Herp derp derp herp derp herp?
Herp derp herp derp herp derp.

Fixed. Now stop fucking whining.
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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #308 on: January 22, 2011, 05:19:26 PM »
Pics or didn't happen!
It's unreasonable for the guy to have a girlfriend... but a daughter you can totally buy?  :lol
If you insist on having the last word, at least try to make it one worth reading.  You're like a 10 year old thinking he rules the playground because he was able to spout nonsense longer than anyone else.
I was thinking 8-year-old ginger... or perhaps the real Sunic Flames lent his BG account to his special needs nephew or something.
Just ignore him, and stop feeding the troll. He is just a troll, and a bad one at that.
I'm fully capable of mocking him and ignoring him at the same time.  It might even make him rage harder, which is potentially entertaining.

As for making it harder to bypass AC, I think that's where a Class-based Defense bonus can help also.  Have it apply to both touch and FF attacks and scale at a slightly slower rate than BAB (the best rates should probably be about 2/3 BAB, or maybe 1/2 BAB, and classes like Wizards should only get 1/4 or less).  The purpose there isn't to make every single attack miss, but more to making iterative attacks miss and allowing enemies to PA for less and maintain accuracy.  The various magical buffs all scale at roughly the same rate, and even the occasional ridiculous spell like Wraithstrike is made less effective by the Defense bonus applying to it.

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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #309 on: January 22, 2011, 05:52:37 PM »
I liked the concept of the class defense bonus a LOT but it was the execution where they failed.

It just makes good sense that a level 20 dude is harder to hit when naked than a level 1 dude when naked. The fact that fighters who were stripped of equipment have to rely on the combat expertise feat is just stupid (It's also stupid that it's a feat and not just freely available to full BAB classes)
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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #310 on: January 22, 2011, 05:56:23 PM »
If you insist on having the last word, at least try to make it one worth reading.  You're like a 10 year old thinking he rules the playground because he was able to spout nonsense longer than anyone else.
I was thinking 8-year-old ginger... or perhaps the real Sunic Flames lent his BG account to his special needs nephew or something.
Just ignore him, and stop feeding the troll. He is just a troll, and a bad one at that.
I'm fully capable of mocking him and ignoring him at the same time.  It might even make him rage harder, which is potentially entertaining.

I'm not sure "ignore" means what you think it means. If you're giving him attention of any kind, even just to flip him off, you're not ignoring him. Just don't acknowledge his existence. He doesn't actually expect anybody to stop responding to him.
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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #311 on: January 22, 2011, 06:29:42 PM »
If you insist on having the last word, at least try to make it one worth reading.  You're like a 10 year old thinking he rules the playground because he was able to spout nonsense longer than anyone else.
I was thinking 8-year-old ginger... or perhaps the real Sunic Flames lent his BG account to his special needs nephew or something.
Just ignore him, and stop feeding the troll. He is just a troll, and a bad one at that.
I'm fully capable of mocking him and ignoring him at the same time.  It might even make him rage harder, which is potentially entertaining.

I'm not sure "ignore" means what you think it means. If you're giving him attention of any kind, even just to flip him off, you're not ignoring him. Just don't acknowledge his existence. He doesn't actually expect anybody to stop responding to him.
well, you can ignore somebody and still talk about them.  I's even more of a rebuke to speak disapprovingly about someone in their presence while still not directly interacting with them.
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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #312 on: January 22, 2011, 06:37:49 PM »
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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #313 on: January 22, 2011, 07:56:26 PM »
Pics or didn't happen!


It's that I seem to recall that JaronK said "One of my girlS". Several girlfriends at the same time tend to not mix well. ;)

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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #314 on: January 22, 2011, 08:03:01 PM »
He doesn't have girlfriends, he has bitches. JaronK's a pimp dontcha know.

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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #315 on: January 22, 2011, 08:13:24 PM »
Pics or didn't happen!


It's that I seem to recall that JaronK said "One of my girlS". Several girlfriends at the same time tend to not mix well. ;)

Polyamory.  But I think that's enough on the topic of my personal life.  Quick, look, Sunic's flaming again!  Get him guys!

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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #316 on: January 22, 2011, 08:15:11 PM »
He doesn't have girlfriends, he has bitches. JaronK's a pimp dontcha know.

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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #317 on: January 22, 2011, 10:05:19 PM »
Pics or didn't happen!


It's that I seem to recall that JaronK said "One of my girlS". Several girlfriends at the same time tend to not mix well. ;)

Polyamory.  But I think that's enough on the topic of my personal life.  Quick, look, Sunic's flaming again!  Get him guys!

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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #318 on: January 22, 2011, 10:55:01 PM »
Hey guys look, it's more dumbfucks whining and flailing at me like cracked windmills, instead of taking the not so subtle hint to SHUT THE FUCK UP and the flames will stop.

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Re: What is the point of medium and heavy armor?
« Reply #319 on: January 22, 2011, 11:33:12 PM »
The fact that fighters who were stripped of equipment have to rely on the combat expertise feat is just stupid (It's also stupid that it's a feat and not just freely available to full BAB classes)
If you think about it, Expertise is just an improved fighting defensively, and thus makes sense as a feat.
If you think about it more you'll realize that fighting defensively sucks 9/10 times and should be improved.
So make fighting defensively work like Expertise
Make Expertise give a penalty to adjacent(with in reach?) enemies attacks, and a bonus to your AC vs nonadjacent enemies(WiR?).
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