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Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« on: December 17, 2010, 04:08:44 AM »
AMF, its awesome. We know this. So I got to thinking about how to own my players with one. I have afew ideas but I need some outside input to get the ball rolling. Im not familiar with any tricks that use an AMF, or if there is any builds that use it.
So any deadly/devious AMF combos you can lay out for me would be appriciated.

Afew questions while Im posting. does HiPS from like the dark/shadow template work in an AMF? what about the shadow blend class ability from the shadow dancer?
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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2010, 04:11:54 AM »
I think sculpt spell works with AMF.  Extending out to 120 feet makes it much better.
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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2010, 05:05:13 AM »
Extraordinary Spell Aim seems like a good option too to exclude yourself from AMF.

Also, Initiate of Mystra to cast in AMF.

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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2010, 08:48:52 AM »
Spellguard of Silverymoon might be able to use Selective Spell to exclude a type or subtype from being effected by AMF, or have it effect just one type or subtype.

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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2010, 10:44:42 AM »
Ok, first off you are required by law to use Extraordinary Spell Aim with it. If you do not, you might as well just award the party XP and loot for defeating the guy you intended to use it and move on.

Once you've done that, you can take advantage of the fact that Conjuration: Creation > AMF works both ways by shooting orbs while inside it. Or you can just make a gish. Which is what you're already halfway to doing anyways.
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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2010, 11:25:08 AM »
Archmage, mastery of shaping. Pretty powerful.

Shadow weave works in AMF.

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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2010, 01:36:09 PM »
Shadow weave works in AMF.
That's news to me. Quote?
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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2010, 01:38:11 PM »
Shadow weave works in AMF.
That's news to me. Quote?
That's like the whole point of the Shadow Weave almost. Go read like... anything on the Shadow Weave.
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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2010, 01:40:10 PM »
Shadow weave works in AMF.
That's news to me. Quote?
That's like the whole point of the Shadow Weave almost. Go read like... anything on the Shadow Weave.
I just did. :(

okay well..maybe i just skimmed it
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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2010, 01:59:24 PM »
10th level of Master Abjurer can use a touch attack to force an AMF onto his foe.  That should be pretty handy to shut down a DMM: Persisting Cleric or whatnot.

Also, the War Wizard or Cormyr (MoF) can ultra-widen spells.  An AMF with a 20' or 30' radius has its uses I'm sure.
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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2010, 02:07:35 PM »
Afew questions while Im posting. does HiPS from like the dark/shadow template work in an AMF? what about the shadow blend class ability from the shadow dancer?

the Antimagic Field suppresses most magical effects, including spells, spell-like abilities, and supernatural abilities.... if those Abilities say (SP) or (SU), then you lose them in an Antimagic Field..... you might also look at the Spell: Antimagic Ray(Wiz 7, Spell Compendium). .... Targetable effect

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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2010, 02:08:42 PM »
Shadow weave works in AMF.
That's news to me. Quote?
That's like the whole point of the Shadow Weave almost. Go read like... anything on the Shadow Weave.
I just did. :(

okay well..maybe i just skimmed it
I don't have my books handy. I'm pretty sure it's not in the feat itself. It's in the section of the book (FR campaign guide or PGtF I think) that discusses just what the Shadow Weave is/does.

Sorry that I can't be of more help ATM, but he is most assuradly correct. The Shadow Weave absolutely does let you cast in an AMF.
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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2010, 02:10:26 PM »
Shadow weave works in AMF.
That's news to me. Quote?
That's like the whole point of the Shadow Weave almost. Go read like... anything on the Shadow Weave.
I just did. :(

okay well..maybe i just skimmed it
I don't have my books handy. I'm pretty sure it's not in the feat itself. It's in the section of the book (FR campaign guide or PGtF I think) that discusses just what the Shadow Weave is/does.

Sorry that I can't be of more help ATM, but he is most assuradly correct. The Shadow Weave absolutely does let you cast in an AMF.
I demand that you leave work and find it, immediately.
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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2010, 02:13:01 PM »
Shadow weave works in AMF.
That's news to me. Quote?
That's like the whole point of the Shadow Weave almost. Go read like... anything on the Shadow Weave.
I just did. :(

okay well..maybe i just skimmed it
I don't have my books handy. I'm pretty sure it's not in the feat itself. It's in the section of the book (FR campaign guide or PGtF I think) that discusses just what the Shadow Weave is/does.

Sorry that I can't be of more help ATM, but he is most assuradly correct. The Shadow Weave absolutely does let you cast in an AMF.
I demand that you leave work and find it, immediately.
As well as my experiments seem to be going, it would be about as productive...
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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2010, 02:24:33 PM »
Quote from: Players guide to Faerun, p.57
Shadow Weave users enjoy several advantages. First, they ignore disruptions in the Weave. A Shadow Weave effect works normally in a dead magic or wild magic zone. (An antimagic field, which blocks the flow of magic, remains effective against Shadow Weave magic, as does spell resistance.)

Oh well..

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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2010, 02:28:34 PM »
Quote from: Players guide to Faerun, p.57
Shadow Weave users enjoy several advantages. First, they ignore disruptions in the Weave. A Shadow Weave effect works normally in a dead magic or wild magic zone. (An antimagic field, which blocks the flow of magic, remains effective against Shadow Weave magic, as does spell resistance.)

Oh well..
Ah fuck... did they change it from 3.0 to 3.5? Or did I just misremember it?
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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2010, 02:30:36 PM »
you mean Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting book

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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2010, 02:38:58 PM »
Whoops! right  :D

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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2010, 03:02:49 PM »
Ok, first off you are required by law to use Extraordinary Spell Aim with it. If you do not, you might as well just award the party XP and loot for defeating the guy you intended to use it and move on.

Once you've done that, you can take advantage of the fact that Conjuration: Creation > AMF works both ways by shooting orbs while inside it. Or you can just make a gish. Which is what you're already halfway to doing anyways.

I think you miss the point of Extraordinary Spell Aim.

That feat makes and AMF "not effect" you, therefore you can cast ANY of your spells out of it, not just instantaneous conj.

You're right, every wizard/sorc should have it, but I thought this was already a given.

Also, not sure most people realize this, but the feat causes it to "not effect" you, it doesn't say anything about it not effecting anyone else, and by extension their spells. So if you have an ESAed AMF around yourself youre effectively immune to all spells, except those instantaneous ones; most of which can be taken care of with a ray deflection or friendly fire.

Or you could just pull the whole ghostform trick. Normally you would blink out, but since the AMF doesn't effect you it wont effect your ghostform. However, for purposes of interacting with other's spells and abilities you are effectively an incorporeal creature inside an AMF. Now you're virtually invulnerable to pretty much any form of attack...tack on a forceward, and a friendly fire and I think that basically covers everything except a non-magical seren quarterstaff or other wooden weapon. The only thing that can stop you is, of course, another AMF...and maybe an iron heart surge.

Creative uses of AMF are the only way to combat high level mages aware of tricks like this.

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Re: Optimizing Anti Magic Field.
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2010, 03:05:34 PM »
At which point should the Rules Compendium "nerf" of AMF be mentioned as respects the Extraordinary Spell Aim trick? ;)
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