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Help Optimize: Warblade 8/Fighter 2/Singh Rager 10
« on: December 09, 2010, 01:47:59 PM »
I will be playing a Singh Rager from the Complete Oriental. The basic build will go something like this:

Race: Human
Class: Warblade 5/Fighter 2/Singh Rager 10/Warblade 3

Feats:
1. Iron Will, Ki Shout*
3. Power Attack
5. Endurance*
6. Steadfast Determination, Improved Bull Rush*
7. Shocktrooper*
8. Greater Ki Shout*
9. Improved Critical: Great Scimatar
10. Diehard*
12. Leap Attack
15. Open Feat
18. Open Feat

* Indicates a Bonus Feat

Manuever Selection By Level:
1. Steel Wind, Steely Strike, Sudden Leap
2. Leading the Attack
3. Wall of Blades
4. Replace Steely Strike with Rabid Wolf Strike
5. Iron Heart Surge
18. Replace Rabid Wolf Strike with Rabid Bear Strike
19. Finishing Move
20. Replace Steel Wind with Swooping Dragon Strike

Stances Known:
1. Blood in the Water
4. Punishing Stance

Manuevers Readied: (Assumes Level 20)
1. Iron Heart Surge
2. Wall of Blades
3. Swooping Dragon Strike
4. Finishing Move

Skill Tricks Known:
1. Extreme Leap
2. Nimble Stand
3. Twisted Charge
4. Back on Your Feet

Build Highlights:
*Power Attack Goodness
*High Critical Hit Range
* Rage-like ability 5/day (+6 Str, +6 Con, +3 Will, -2 AC)
* Immune to fear, additional +4 vs Mind effecting
* Pounce!
* Self Haste 10 rounds/day
* Full Fighter BAB
* Good Fort/Will saves
* Steadfast Determination synergises will with rage-like ability.
* Up to 7th level manuevers
* Iajutsu Focus as a class skill!


The basic concept I was going for was using a high threat range weapon combined with power attack+leap attack+shocktrooper+pounce to general substantial damage. If you really want to make things I little more crazy add in Iajutsu Focus from Singh Rager for even more damage.

When I can't charge I use Iron Heart Surge and Wall of Blades to counter any status effect or to counteract my low AC after a charge.

Lastly, after I've closed the gap with a charge I use Finishing Move, Rapid Bear Strike, and Swooping Dragon Strike to do more reliable damage.

Steadfast Determination was chosen to reduce MAD and compliments the Singh Rangers good Fort & Will saves. In addition when I rage my Fort & Will gets a boost as well.

?I was interested on peoples thoughts, comments, advice, suggestions, or criticisms. Please help me be all I can be.  :lol
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Re: Help Optimize: Warblade 8/Fighter 2/Singh Ranger 10
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2010, 02:06:14 PM »
It's Rager, not Ranger, from Oriental Adventures. I used to absolutely love that PrC, as it was one of the few ways to get Pounce. Now... it can be replaced with a 1 level dip into barbarian...  :banghead
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Re: Help Optimize: Warblade 8/Fighter 2/Singh Rager 10
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2010, 02:28:41 PM »
While that may be true, pounce is only one of the useful abilities Singh Ragers get. Coupled with the rest of the Singh Rager's class abilities I think it merits at least a solid 4/8 level dip depending on your build and if you can squeeze in the feats. Pounce/Greater Rage are both very useful.

Was looking through feats and thought about the idea of taking the Martial Stance feat to gain access to Dancing Blade Form. I'm already power attack-pouncing. The ability to now do it with a 10ft/15ft reach, depending on weapon choice, seems even more overkill.
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Re: Help Optimize: Warblade 8/Fighter 2/Singh Rager 10
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2010, 02:36:45 PM »
Barbarian 1 + Extra Rage (instead of one of the Singh Rager prereqs) mostly duplicates the first four levels, and leaves you with a feat to spend on something else. The only advantage Singh Rager has over that is the good will save, and that's not worth taking a bunch of class levels for by itself. You could use a different PrC with a good will save and good abilities.

I could see using it if you just absolutely had to be lawful for some reason (samurai/monk/etc levels), but otherwise... just taking the barbarian dip is better in pretty much every conceivable way...

If you were somehow optimizing around charisma and the Kia Shout ability, it might be worth it, also. But IIRC, barbarians can also do that now... with Intimidating Rage... So yeah... they pretty much took the best parts of the PrC and gave them all to barbarians...
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Re: Help Optimize: Warblade 8/Fighter 2/Singh Rager 10
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2010, 02:56:36 PM »
Barbarian 1 + Extra Rage does indeed seem to make taking Singh Rager a less viable option.

As far as Ki-Shout is concerned, I was simply going to work on increasing my charisma via items to power it up.

If you have any suggestions for good PrC's I'm all ears. Honestly, other than continuing in a maneuver oriented class, I don't see very many viable options unless I want to completely shift the builds focus.
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Re: Help Optimize: Warblade 8/Fighter 2/Singh Rager 10
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2010, 03:11:10 PM »
Honestly, other than continuing in a maneuver oriented class, I don't see very many viable options unless I want to completely shift the builds focus.
I'd do that. A 1-level dip into cloistered cleric offers a lot for the loss of one point of BAB (there is a whole handbook dedicated to it), and IIRC also can get you into Ruby Knight Vindicator. The skill prereqs will be a bitch, though.
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