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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #140 on: February 16, 2011, 09:13:28 PM »
Breathing For Dummies (TM):

There's a power called gemstone breath in Dragon Magic that gives you an actual breath weapon. Any breath weapon feats work on it, since it's a breath weapon, and metapsionic feats obviously work as well. It allows you to breathe as a standard action once every 2 rounds, and lasts for 1 round/lvl. If you Extend it or something, you still only get to use it once for every 2 manifester levels you've got.

It's a 4th level power, meaning you don't get it until 7th level, so that means that most characters can't get breath weapon feats until after then. However, since breath weapon feats work for any breath weapon you have, dragonborn (heart) is an excellent way to get these feats early. Preferably on a warforged, since they lose almost nothing and gain quite a lot. It also gives you access to TWO breath weapons to use, and makes for a decent blaster if you get your ML up high enough. Knockdown Power, Entangling Exhalation, Lingering Breath, and Paraelemental Power (Smoke) are incredible here, since you can pile on the saves and status effects with no real downsides to you.

It's a good way to preserve pp while blasting and crippling the hell out of things.
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #141 on: February 17, 2011, 03:29:45 AM »
Here's a thought, is there a way for ardents to transcend the limits of their mantles and learn all the powers (aside from just shuffling them back and forth into mantles)?
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #142 on: February 17, 2011, 04:03:20 AM »
Here's a thought, is there a way for ardents to transcend the limits of their mantles and learn all the powers (aside from just shuffling them back and forth into mantles)?

Well, there's Psychic Chirurgery (you avoid the XP limit with Supernatural Transformation).  The real coup would be getting them all on one mantle, and making that your Dominant Mantle.

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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #143 on: April 02, 2011, 07:46:39 PM »
Ras F brought up an interesting point to me on PM.

So far as I'm aware, nowhere do the rules state that you cannot use metapsionic feats more than once on the same power. Obviously in cases such as Quicken or Maximize it won't do you much good.

Empower, however...

Also note that Empower stacks with the anarchic initiate's Chaotic Surge. And with Metapower (Empower)...
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #144 on: April 03, 2011, 02:38:49 AM »
interesting. i'll keep an eye out for that.
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #145 on: April 03, 2011, 04:19:06 PM »
Ras F brought up an interesting point to me on PM.

So far as I'm aware, nowhere do the rules state that you cannot use metapsionic feats more than once on the same power. Obviously in cases such as Quicken or Maximize it won't do you much good.

Empower, however...

Also note that Empower stacks with the anarchic initiate's Chaotic Surge. And with Metapower (Empower)...

Something similar was mentioned with Ardent for Split Psionic Ray and Enlarge Power, which with all three would be an infinite number of infinite damage beams with inifinite range :P
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #146 on: April 03, 2011, 08:15:36 PM »
well the stacking rules could be construed to apply, but they are more general than specific.
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #147 on: April 13, 2011, 12:36:53 PM »
Combat Transformation Crescendo
The power combat transformation grants you a laundry list of bonuses, the most important being full BAB, at the cost of your ability to manifest powers.  For only you.  Now, remember the Erudite Concerto?  Same trick, different application.  We are not manifesting anything, but rather the metaconcert is.  Now all the non-StP Erudite manifesters can join the fun, too!
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« Reply #148 on: April 14, 2011, 02:52:06 AM »
sounds like that would be fun with schism.
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #149 on: April 14, 2011, 02:54:27 AM »
sounds like that would be fun with schism.

And affinity field.  And having just read Lycanthromancer's trick involving metaconcert and Larval Flayers, my Omnicaster Erudite is now a Twice-Betrayer Slayer, too :)
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #150 on: April 14, 2011, 03:54:40 AM »
This Omnicaster...you refer to the one detailed in that "Arch Erudite from Hell" thread, I presume? And if so, did you manage to find a way to get those lovely 9th lvl spells and discipline powers onto it?
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« Reply #151 on: April 14, 2011, 04:29:30 AM »
This Omnicaster...you refer to the one detailed in that "Arch Erudite from Hell" thread, I presume?

Even better, as this uses no questionable Magic Mantle shenanigans.  It's unquestionable that an Erudite can eventually learn all spells, arcane or divine, and only moderately so pre-epic.  The Shards of Leadership trick can be scaled up indefinitely, allowing for an Epic Psion/Erudite cohort regardless, thus enabling the Omnicaster to have access to every spell and power ever from level 1.  Talk about a lot of options...also, since the Bead of Karma does not reference arcane or divine for which type of CL it boosts, when combined with Power Link Shards, a Torc, and Earth Power, we can get the magical 66 effective ML, raised to 99 with GCF, for a minimum roll of 100 on an MDJ.
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #152 on: April 14, 2011, 04:31:38 AM »
Hm, do you have a link or build stub or something of this omnicaster erudite that I may peruse in more detail?
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #153 on: April 14, 2011, 04:39:58 AM »
Hm, do you have a link or build stub or something of this omnicaster erudite that I may peruse in more detail?

Take every feat required for all of the tricks listed in this handbook, plus Transdimensional Power, Extend Power, Persistent Power, and Mindsight, add in as class features (as they basically are when persistent) the 6 leeched feats from the pet rock (assuming he has Hidden Talent taking up his level 1 feat), and last but not least, flaws/human optional, though they make life easier and let you have access to ALL the tricks thus far SIMULTANEOUSLY on every spell and power in the game, and put it all on an Erudite with the 5th level Telepath substitution level.  Or hell, even on a Telepath.  You've got 1-2 feats free depending on race, so Erudite isn't even needed, as once it's a power, ANY psionic class can have it PsiChir-ed in.  Erudite just gives an extra feat, in the form of Psicrystal Affinity, and since you'll ALWAYS be manifesting from a metaconcert, you can blithely ignore UP/Level/Day.  Said metaconcert can also serve as another ML boost once you summon and persistextend enough Larval Flayers.  Maybe due to that alone I should name the Omnicaster's trick "The Call of Kthulu" ...
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #154 on: April 14, 2011, 05:20:34 AM »
You may as well Incarnate powers it works on, just to save actions.

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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #155 on: April 15, 2011, 03:12:16 AM »
Burrowing Power + touchsight gives you XRay vision blindsight.

Check, as my Omnicaster can get just enough feats to pull off all but the Incarnum trick simultaneously using Feat Leach (well, with your Larval Flayer choir to fuel my metaconcert, even more, so now ALL of them), and of course this will also be added to the Transdimensional Touchsight, for a full phased radar array :)  Should we add that to the Psionic Tricks thread, btw?  It's one of if not THE most fool proof way to avoid being snuck up on, especially if you can snag Mindsight with it.

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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #156 on: April 27, 2011, 05:07:01 PM »
Psychic Bastion (from Hyperconscious) grants ability reduction reduction 3/-. Combine with Body Fuel for infinite pp.
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #157 on: April 27, 2011, 11:40:12 PM »
if body fuel counts as an attack? or is that just being overly nitpicky?
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« Reply #158 on: April 27, 2011, 11:44:03 PM »
if body fuel counts as an attack? or is that just being overly nitpicky?
It damages you, and you're fully capable of attacking yourself.

I vote 'yes'.
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #159 on: April 27, 2011, 11:58:12 PM »
I don't know if there's anything official describing what constitutes an "attack" in a sufficiently complete manner. For my purposes, I usually use anything that requires an attack roll, but I know that's not the full definition by the book.

How does Psychic Bastion work, exactly? If it references Damage Reduction, the point may be moot. Damage reduction doesn't work against supernatural abilities, and Psionic feats are always supernatural.
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