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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2010, 09:56:35 PM »
Buddha also outwitted Sun Wukong (also called "Son Goku"), the Monkey King, who is one of the major influences for the character Goku from Dragonball.
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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2010, 10:21:44 PM »
Buddha also outwitted Sun Wukong (also called "Son Goku"), the Monkey King, who is one of the major influences for the character Goku from Dragonball.
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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2010, 10:25:37 PM »
Buddha also outwitted Sun Wukong (also called "Son Goku"), the Monkey King, who is one of the major influences for the character Goku from Dragonball.
I wouldn't call "being as large as the universe" outwitting someone.
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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2010, 11:15:54 PM »
Buddha also outwitted Sun Wukong (also called "Son Goku"), the Monkey King, who is one of the major influences for the character Goku from Dragonball.
I wouldn't call "being as large as the universe" outwitting someone.

Either way though, he "made a monkey" out of Son Goku.
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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2010, 04:56:11 PM »
Stronger than Goku ?!
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Nah, couldn't be. Except for Gohan ...

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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2010, 06:45:58 PM »
Is Buddha, by any other name, still Buddha? I have yet to see a Buddha entry in D&D, though there are similar deities (Zuoken).
buddha is NOT a god.

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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2010, 09:03:39 PM »
Is Buddha, by any other name, still Buddha? I have yet to see a Buddha entry in D&D, though there are similar deities (Zuoken).
buddha is NOT a god.
Although I should ask, what part of the D&D definition of deity does Buddha not satisfy?
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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2010, 09:24:58 PM »
Hmmm... how does one define "God".

He's not, extradimesional enough, maybe?
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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2010, 09:33:45 PM »
Hmmm... how does one define "God".

He's not, extradimesional enough, maybe?
This thread is about Buddha now? Uh, sure, why not.

From my understanding, the idea is that Gods are set at a high power level but cannot grow. Humans are near the bottom but have unlimited growth potential. A Buddha is a human who realises their potential and surpasses the gods. In other words, TTGL is the most Buddhist series ever.
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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2010, 09:38:04 PM »
Zuoken is a deity who's an ascended human...he's even a monk-type, to boot.
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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2011, 07:05:03 AM »
What is the sound of the one Pan pun?
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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2011, 08:39:00 AM »
Interesting. In all the books I've read, Buddha is referred to as a singular person (whom I can remember his name right now). I've never heard of "Buddhahood," and I do a fair amount of reading on Buddhist topics.

Just for the record: (take it as a tl:dr of the wikipedia article)
Buddha is simply a state of consciousness were you enter (or realize in some versions of buddhism) Nirvana. In some versions of Buddhism, this makes you ascend, and exit the wheel of reincarnation. In others, it just gives you a higher state of thought, until you can exit the wheel of reincarnation.
The "first" Buddha, Prince Siddharta Gautama Buddha, was a young prince who left his royal home, and his power to realize the realities of the world (IIRC they were, Religion, Poverty, War and Famine or something like that). By accepting the world as it is, and thinking of it long enough, and accomplishing total selflessness, he ascended to Nirvana (basically you get there by realizing all is one).

However, some Buddhist thinks this is not the "real" Nirvana, because just saving yourself is your final selfish act, and those they have a Bodhisatva ideal. A Bodhisatva is a Buddha who decides to throw himself into the wheel of reincarnation again to help others achieve Nirvana. The Tibetans believe there are only a few Bodhisatvas that have ever returned, and that the most powerful of them, called Avalokitesvara, is Dalai Llama.

TL;DR The guy people usually talks about when talking about the Buddha is Sidharta Gautama Buddha.
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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2011, 07:15:43 PM »
Also...

Isn't one of the only thing Pun Pun cannot do (without using the 'I can make stuff up' power) is to gain infinite size?  He can gain infinite reach, but he can't gain infinite size.  I remember reading the original 300+ page thread and the conclusion was that he couldn't get infinitely large because the size chart stopped at "Colossal+".

Can a Buddha become infinitely large?

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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2011, 07:46:50 PM »
Isn't one of the only thing Pun Pun cannot do (without using the 'I can make stuff up' power) is to gain infinite size?  He can gain infinite reach, but he can't gain infinite size.  I remember reading the original 300+ page thread and the conclusion was that he couldn't get infinitely large because the size chart stopped at "Colossal+".
Colossal+ isn't a real size category. And there's no cap on how large a Colossal creature can be. (the xixecal, for instance, takes up 10x10 squares)
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Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2011, 11:43:50 PM »
Isn't one of the only thing Pun Pun cannot do (without using the 'I can make stuff up' power) is to gain infinite size?  He can gain infinite reach, but he can't gain infinite size.  I remember reading the original 300+ page thread and the conclusion was that he couldn't get infinitely large because the size chart stopped at "Colossal+".
Colossal+ isn't a real size category. And there's no cap on how large a Colossal creature can be. (the xixecal, for instance, takes up 10x10 squares)
I think Colossal+ stems from the Immortals Handbook.

Edit: Actually, the ELH mentions it in the force dragon statblock.

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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2011, 11:49:50 PM »
Also, note that in 3.0, sizes were not fixed based on your size category. A number of Large creatures took up 5x5 squares, for example, and there were weirder examples.
So you end up stuck in an endless loop, unable to act, forever.

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Re: The Tao of Pun Pun
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2011, 01:01:09 AM »
Also...

Isn't one of the only thing Pun Pun cannot do (without using the 'I can make stuff up' power) is to gain infinite size?  He can gain infinite reach, but he can't gain infinite size.  I remember reading the original 300+ page thread and the conclusion was that he couldn't get infinitely large because the size chart stopped at "Colossal+".

Can a Buddha become infinitely large?

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Wait I seem to remember a way to turn a psicrystal into a plane of existence. If that can be done then it should be possible to have Pun-Pun become a plane of existence. If that is in fact true then couldn't it get the the infinite size trait? I'm too sleep deprived to know if it works, I'll probably get back to this once I get some sleep.

Also I believe there is a creature that is basically one big square that when next to others of its kind, counts as one big creature.

Edit:Wow I was really out of it.
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« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2011, 07:38:00 PM »
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