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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2010, 06:08:27 AM »
Strictly speaking, TML is right. It's still cast as divine even if it's modified to be treated as arcane for rules effects. Just like you can throw a dagger and use the rules for ranged weapons but the dagger is still a melee weapon.
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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2010, 06:26:29 AM »
Wiz/Sor dip and Alternative Source Spell?
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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2010, 06:40:30 AM »
Wiz/Sor dip and Alternative Source Spell?
As I read Alternate Source, if you are a cleric, you need to use a slot of sorcerer of that spell level. In other words, you will need 4 of sorcerer for it to work.

It seems to be a pretty stupid feat...

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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2010, 08:40:30 AM »
If you prepared a 2nd level cleric spell as an arcane spell and spontaneously converted it into cure moderate wounds, would it still be arcane? Spontaneous Casting doesn't mention arcane/divine in it's description (just "cleric spell"), so it would be most reasonable to go with it being the same type as the original spell, which was prepared as arcane. So you're casting a spontaneous 2nd level arcane spell...
It does lower CL by 1 for the spell, so you'd need an extra level and enter sacred fist at 7th or practiced spellcaster to enter it at 6th like you plan to.

So that's still two feats or a level...a pity you can't convert domain spells. IIRC Anyspell spells are still arcane, right?. ...would the divine spontaneity feat from complete divine work with spell domain's anyspell? Hmm...probably not, since anyspell is funky.
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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2010, 09:22:11 AM »
Wiz/Sor dip and Alternative Source Spell?
As I read Alternate Source, if you are a cleric, you need to use a slot of sorcerer of that spell level. In other words, you will need 4 of sorcerer for it to work.

It seems to be a pretty stupid feat...

You just use the spell slot you would normally use for the spell. So, you could prepare an Arcane Cure Critical Wounds in your 4th level Cleric slot.

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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2010, 10:54:31 AM »
well for a favored soul you can use a dragons blood pool to get up to 3rd level arcane spells slots for use.   (Complete Mage)

for a prepared caster im not sure.   

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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2010, 11:03:32 AM »
Favoured Soul would have a problem casting anything out of it. You gain an arcane spell slot, but you don't actually get an arcane spell known to cast out of it.

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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2010, 07:37:47 PM »
Favoured Soul would have a problem casting anything out of it. You gain an arcane spell slot, but you don't actually get an arcane spell known to cast out of it.

yes but you now would have the ability to cast an Arcane spell from of that level (2nd needed).  or the othe way to do so would be to make a feat similiar to AM for divine casting as a house rule.

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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2010, 09:45:17 PM »
What about the Dragonsblood Pool wondrous location from Complete Mage 149?
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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2010, 09:46:06 PM »
What about the Dragonsblood Pool wondrous location from Complete Mage 149?

said that a few posts back but i think its the best way to get AM as a divine caster

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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2010, 10:40:41 PM »
Tshern - Standard Monk 1/Cleric4/SF x entry. Is there a better way? I'm open to suggestions. I am aiming for a Good aligned character, so Ur-Priest is right out.
With a good-aligned caster there hardly is a better way. Cloistered Cleric is a decent idea for the skills an additional domain, but apart from that your entry seems perfect. Sorry the Ur-Priest idea didn't work out, more of a high level thing anyway.

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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2010, 01:54:57 AM »
With a good-aligned caster there hardly is a better way. Cloistered Cleric is a decent idea for the skills an additional domain, but apart from that your entry seems perfect. Sorry the Ur-Priest idea didn't work out, more of a high level thing anyway.
Don't be sorry. It was a valid way of getting it if there weren't the alignment restriction. Sometimes you just can't do things within the ruleset (like spacegoing mecha ninjas with lasers shooting out of their eyes).



Raith0 - In my view, to be able to CAST a spell, you need two things: a spell slot capable of supporting that spell, and knowledge of the spell. Without one, the other doesn't work. Just because you have spell slots doesn't mean you can cast a spell. You need to know the spell first. That is why dragonblood pool doesn't work (it is even explicitly stated that it is for arcane casters, I don't know why they didn't bother putting that in the pre-requisites; probably another WotC screw-up).

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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2010, 02:52:56 AM »
Don't be sorry. It was a valid way of getting it if there weren't the alignment restriction. Sometimes you just can't do things within the ruleset (like spacegoing mecha ninjas with lasers shooting out of their eyes).

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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2010, 03:12:56 AM »
Alternatively, persist that one wu-jen spell.  Or spell thematics magic missile.

Actually, Gae Bolg works out pretty well as a spell thematics corrupted magic missile.  Too bad for him that saber is immune to force damage.
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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2010, 04:18:09 AM »
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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2010, 04:52:13 AM »
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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2010, 04:55:08 AM »
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Re: Is there a way to gain Ascetic Mage as a Divine caster?
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2010, 05:16:36 AM »
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