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Endarire

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Calling all CO Fans for a Benchmark Handbook!
« on: November 12, 2010, 09:12:11 PM »
Intro
As detailed in this thread (A standard of optimization across the levels), there was a proposal for a benchmark handbook.  Since the previous topic got derailed and confused, I wanted to gather information for this proposed handbook.

Rules for Proposing Benchmarks
1: No infinite loops.  No nearly infinite loops.  No infinite loops.  No nearly infinite loops.  No infinite loops.  No nearly infinite loops.

2: Be as descriptive as practical in your proposal.  Saying, "Geez!  Get more hit points!" doesn't help.  Saying, "You should get this cheap item that gives an unnamed boost to CON from this source" is preferred.

3: Each benchmark must be meaningful.  Think about what aspects you'd want to have on a character. 

Here are some suggestions, but the list is mostly complete.  We can use Surreal's Lists of Stuff for "Acquiring This Benchmark."

[spoiler][ DAMAGE ]
-Energy Damage Per Hit
-Energy Damage Per Round
-Physical Damage Per Hit
-Physical Damage Per Round
-Z Rest

[ DEFENSES ]
-AC
-Damage Reduction (DR)
-Energy Resistance (Acid/Cold/Electricity/Fire)
-Energy Resistance (Other)
-Hide Checks
-Miss Chance
-Move Silently Checks
-Saves
-Z Rest

[ DEFENSE PENETRATION ]
-Bypassing Damage Reduction (DR)
-Bypassing Energy Immunity
-Bypassing Evasion & Mettle
-Bypassing High Saves
-Bypassing Spell Resistance (SR)
-Z Rest

[ HEALING & RECOVERY ]
-Ability Damage
-Ability Drain
-Blindness
-Dazing
-Death (Not Undeath!)
-Deafness
-Disease
-Fatigue & Exhaustion
-Fear Effects (Shaken, Frightened, and Panicked
-Lost Limb
-HP Damage
-Immobilization
-Negative Levels
-Paralysis
-Petrification
-Poison
-Sickening
-Stunning
-Z Rest

[ IMMUNITY ]
-Charm, Compulsion, and [Mind-Affecting] Effects
-Crits and Precision Damage (Sneak Attack, Skirmish, Sudden Strike, Etc.)
-Death Effects
-Divinations
-Energy Damage (Acid/Cold/Electricity/Fire)
-Energy Damage (Other)
-Flat-Footedness
-Grappling & Movement Hindrance
-Illusions
-Z Rest

[ INITIATIVE ]

[ MOVEMENT ]
-Burrow Speed
-Fly Speed
-Short-Range Teleporation (100' or Less)
-Medium-Range Teleportation (Between 101' and 1 Mile)
-Long-Range Teleportation (More than 1 Mile)
-Interplanar Travel
-Other 3D Movement (Climb Speed, Levitating, Swim Speed)

[ SENSES ]
-Blindsense
-Blindsight
-Darkvision
-Listen Checks
-Low-Light Vision
-Search Checks
-See Invisibility
-Spot Checks
-True Seeing
-Z Rest[/SPOILER]

Sample Benchmark
Short-Range Teleportation (100' or Less)
Benchmark Level: 5 (deadly games), 8 (casual games)
Acquiring This Benchmark

[spoiler][ - = ITEMS = - ]
Anklet of Translocation (Magic Item Compendium 71)
Action: Swift, Range: 10', Requires LoS & LoE, 1400G, Slot: Feet


Comments: It's a weaker Abrupt Jaunt that anyone can have.

[ - = PSI POWERS = - ]
Dimension Swap (Expanded Psionics Handbook XX)
Nomad2, PsyWar2, Action: Standard, Range: Close (25' + 25'/2Lvl), Requires LoE

Comments: Two Large or smaller creatures within range swap places (+2PP per each larger size category).  PsyWars must include themselves as a target.  Willing targets only.

[ - = SPELLS = - ]
Benign Transposition (Spell Compendium 27)
Sor/Wiz1, Action: Standard, Range: Medium (100' + 10'/Lvl), Requires LoE

Comments: Two Large or smaller creatures within range swap places.  You may include yourself as a target.  Willing targets only.[/spoiler]
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Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: Calling all CO Fans for a Benchmark Handbook!
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2010, 10:18:15 PM »
Start with "Optimization By the Numbers."

It would be nice to have those threads around in a readable format again anyways, now that the old WotC forums are all screwy.

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Re: Calling all CO Fans for a Benchmark Handbook!
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2010, 10:40:41 PM »
Start with "Optimization By the Numbers."

It would be nice to have those threads around in a readable format again anyways, now that the old WotC forums are all screwy.
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Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

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Re: Calling all CO Fans for a Benchmark Handbook!
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2010, 10:42:00 PM »
Shadow Cloak(DotU) - immediate action teleport 3/day.

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Re: Calling all CO Fans for a Benchmark Handbook!
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2010, 02:25:22 AM »
Would this sort of thread be aided by a separate thread that lists various minimum/maximum/average stats for monsters of CR X? I seem to recall someone made a thread like that a while back, though I don't remember where it would be.

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Re: Calling all CO Fans for a Benchmark Handbook!
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2010, 09:38:47 PM »
More info would would probably help.
Hood - My first answer to all your build questions; past, present, and future.

Speaking of which:
Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"