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Title: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 02:25:34 PM
A nice way to do this is a Wizard 5/Red Wizard 5/Incantatrix 10

"I'm terribly sorry for what I'm about to do..."

Spells: Fimbulwinter

Metamagic: Fell Drain, Extend Spell, Flash Frost Spell, Energy Substitution (Cold), and Lord of the Uttercold

Metamagic Reducer: Arcane Thesis (Fimbulwinter).

Maximize Spell and Empower Spell are gained from Circle Magic

Fimbulwinter (8)+Fell Drain (+2-1-1)+Flash Frost Spell (+1-1)+Extend Spell (+1-1)+Lord of the Uttercold (+0)

Energy Substitution (Cold) is required for Lord of the Uttercold.

Make sure you've raised your CL to 40.

Wait until winter. Cast Frostfell to drop the temperature so that it's a cold climate, for a +10 to your d20 roll for the effects of Fimbulwinter.

Cast Fimbulwinter. You might want Spell Thematics to make this even more epic. Maybe have it look like a wolf is eating the sun, or some such.

10 minutes later, an area 40 miles in radius, up to 20 miles away from where you cast this, is in the depth of winter.

But this winter is different... for one thing, it will last for at least 100 weeks, or up to 144 weeks at most. For the people that don't want to do the math, that's a span from a little less than 2 years to a bit less than 3 years.

For another, its cold is infused with the deadly embrace of the Negative Energy plane. Every six seconds, regardless of the actual conditions within the circle, everything takes 8 cold damage and 8 negative energy damage. And everything damaged gets dealt a negative level. Wights begin to rise within a day of the start of this storm.

And the winter's conditions themselves are a horror. The depth of the snow can range from 9 inches to 10 feet of snow. And the winds...

Well they can be anywhere from 11+ to 31+ miles per hour.

I'm actually planning for something like this happening to a populous city in the history of my campaign world. A city of culture is destroyed within days, while hordes of wights roam through the area and into the countryside itself. And even a minute or two of exposure without adequate protection can result in another wight joining those numbers...

Of course, as of the present, this happened a century ago. But they're still hunting the wights...



But, yeah, find a way to make this immune to dispelling, and I would say this is worse than the locate city bomb and AftS. Because they don't last as long, and don't have the horrible effect of forcing the survivors to watch their loved ones, children and the elderly first, die from the supernatural cold, and knowing from the icy feel of the drain inside your chest that you would be next...

And there is the horror of effectively making that 40 mile radius almost completely unclaimable; an explorer would probably see it as merely being a field of winter, and even if he was 20th level (probably a monk,from the lack of paranoia and foresight necessary), he would die after a mere 600 feet of travel.

Drop this on a major trade route, and watch as wars break out...

Happy Halloween.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: geniussavant on November 02, 2010, 02:30:44 PM
talk about a hell of a plot device, where's Fimbulwinter from though?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: KellKheraptis on November 02, 2010, 02:31:30 PM
Frostburn.  And it needs Dweomerkeeper's Supernatural Spell to make it not subject to dispelling ;)
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: archangel.arcanis on November 02, 2010, 02:32:06 PM
Congratulations you just explained the Blight in WoT.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 02:37:37 PM
Kell, you are a wonderful person.

Now, what other spells would be helpful when used with the random roll for weather conditions? Are there any spells that add to generic d20 rolls? Because the 9 inches of snow/11+ mile per hour winds are only if you roll a 1-5.

I want to make this as horrible as possible.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Agita on November 02, 2010, 02:40:16 PM
It's beautiful. Where's Flash Frost Spell from again? I thought it was in Frostburn, but I don't see it in the feats section.

As for the roll, depending on who makes the rolls according to the DM, you could use something that lets you reroll one or more rolls per day. Alternatively, tack on Sudden Maximize. :D Nevermind, Maximize is already there.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: KellKheraptis on November 02, 2010, 02:45:21 PM
Kell, you are a wonderful person.

Now, what other spells would be helpful when used with the random roll for weather conditions? Are there any spells that add to generic d20 rolls? Because the 9 inches of snow/11+ mile per hour winds are only if you roll a 1-5.

I want to make this as horrible as possible.

Um...precast Control Weather?  So it's already a hurricane, perhaps, with a tornado to boot?

It's beautiful. Where's Flash Frost Spell from again? I thought it was in Frostburn, but I don't see it in the feats section.

As for the roll, depending on who makes the rolls according to the DM, you could use something that lets you reroll one or more rolls per day. Alternatively, tack on Sudden Maximize. :D

Flash Frost Spell is from PHB II.  What can I say, I'm a firm believer in the
Tippy Incorporated Thermonuclear Training Institutional Education Society.  Sorry, couldn't resist the moment I saw what the first three words spelled :P
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: RobbyPants on November 02, 2010, 02:56:51 PM
If nothing else, these kinds of things make great doomsday plots for high level PCs to thwart.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 02, 2010, 03:03:18 PM
...(probably a monk,from the lack of paranoia and foresight necessary)...

Poor monk.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 03:11:21 PM
Forgot about the maximize, that means I have a range of 8 to 10 feet of snow, with 31+ mph winds.

Heh, it's already a severe storm. For 2-3 years. Control Winds would be fun, if it would last more than 800 minutes (13 hours, 20 minutes)

Besides, Fimbulwinter sets the wind speed to whats on the table, so...

Well, since it says 31+, a hurricanes not out of the question...
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Surreal on November 02, 2010, 03:17:35 PM
You forgot invisible spell  :P
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: PhaedrusXY on November 02, 2010, 03:18:10 PM
You forgot invisible spell  :P
:lol :lmao
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 03:21:55 PM
But then we couldn't Spell Thematics it...

Oh, and if you are doing this in gestalt, may I support either Dread Witch for Fearful Empowerment, or Eldritch Theurge, for the shear lols of combining this with Brimstone Blast? Of course, you would have to have them advancing sorc or something...
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: wotmaniac on November 02, 2010, 03:25:54 PM
 :o
I'm speechless.
I think that this may accidentally belong on the Break it/Buy it forum.


You forgot invisible spell  :P
:twitch
... and yet another thread that my players will absolutely never know about.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 03:29:53 PM
:o
I'm speechless.
I think that this may accidentally belong on the Break it/Buy it forum.


You forgot invisible spell  :P
:twitch
... and yet another thread that my players will absolutely never know about.

That is probably the nicest thing anyone has said about something I've done.

Ever.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Surreal on November 02, 2010, 03:30:33 PM
But then we couldn't Spell Thematics it...

You know that crazy old guy on the street corner waving his sign around and calling for the end of the world? You could *be* that crazy old guy.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 02, 2010, 03:32:00 PM
This thread is made of Win and Awesome.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 02, 2010, 03:37:07 PM
you will be doing this more than once per day right?

like 6? ish.. so you can pretty much screw up ~100 mile radius a day.. (with gaps (trying to keep all the circles together not in a row)

if the world is earth size ish, you could cover the equator in about 250 days.. give or take..  (use them consecutively and its only ~100 days)

also, needs to be in a wand or unlimited item.. got an artificer buddy?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: KellKheraptis on November 02, 2010, 03:42:34 PM
you will be doing this more than once per day right?

like 6? ish.. so you can pretty much screw up ~100 mile radius a day.. (with gaps (trying to keep all the circles together not in a row)

if the world is earth size ish, you could cover the equator in about 250 days.. give or take..  (use them consecutively and its only ~100 days)

also, needs to be in a wand or unlimited item.. got an artificer buddy?

Unfettered Heroism + Aligned Casting + Chaotic Spell Recall = do this all day, 24/7.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 02, 2010, 03:45:45 PM
well then someone needs to work out the math on how many 24/7 really is.

movement, casting time, that sorta thing..
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: archangel.arcanis on November 02, 2010, 03:51:17 PM
IIRC from the warlock threads before there are something like 14447 standard actions 14400 rounds in a day.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 03:51:50 PM
Well, it takes 10 minutes+1 standard action (Standard action is for Frostfell.)

Shapechange into a Choker to make this just 10 minutes...

So that's 144 castings a day, 1008 a week.

3 weeks to equatorial freezing!

And you could make temporary refuges in this using an AMF. Just Persist it, and camp inside. Of course, the cleric supllying you with protective spells better have Initiate of Mystra....

Just an option for traveling through this thing.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Ed-Zero on November 02, 2010, 03:52:11 PM
You could throw in some Xixecals for fun..

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/abomination.htm#xixecal (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/abomination.htm#xixecal)

Dire Winter (Su)
A xixecal always stands at the center of a permanent dire winter (epic spell) spell effect. If dispelled, the effect returns 1 minute lateró the only way to permanently remove the effect is to slay the xixecal that generates it.

Dire Winter
Evocation [Cold]
Spellcraft DC:    319
Components:    V, S, XP
Casting Time:    1 minute
Range:    1,000 ft.
Area:    1,000-ft.-radius emanation
Duration:    20 hours
Saving Throw:    None
Spell Resistance:    None
To Develop:    2,871,000 gp; 58 days; 114,840 XP. Seed: energy (emanate 2d6 cold in 10-ft. radius) (DC 19). Factor: 100 times increase in base area (+400 DC). Mitigating factor: burn 10,000 XP (-100 DC).

The creature or object targeted emanates bitter cold to a radius of 1,000 feet for 20 hours. The emanated cold deals 2d6 points of damage per round against unprotected creatures (the target is susceptible if not magically protected or otherwise resistant to the energy). The intense cold freezes water out of the air, causing constant snowfall and wind. The snow and wind produce a blizzard effect within the area.
XP Cost 10,000 XP.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Surreal on November 02, 2010, 03:55:29 PM
But then we couldn't Spell Thematics it...

You know that crazy old guy on the street corner waving his sign around and calling for the end of the world? You could *be* that crazy old guy.

I just realized something...

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Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: KellKheraptis on November 02, 2010, 03:58:38 PM
You're an Incantatrix, and I know you took Chain Spell.  Metamagic Effect Chain Spell that fucker.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 04:03:29 PM
You could throw in some Xixecals for fun..

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/abomination.htm#xixecal (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/abomination.htm#xixecal)

Dire Winter (Su)
A xixecal always stands at the center of a permanent dire winter (epic spell) spell effect. If dispelled, the effect returns 1 minute lateró the only way to permanently remove the effect is to slay the xixecal that generates it.

Dire Winter
Evocation [Cold]
Spellcraft DC:    319
Components:    V, S, XP
Casting Time:    1 minute
Range:    1,000 ft.
Area:    1,000-ft.-radius emanation
Duration:    20 hours
Saving Throw:    None
Spell Resistance:    None
To Develop:    2,871,000 gp; 58 days; 114,840 XP. Seed: energy (emanate 2d6 cold in 10-ft. radius) (DC 19). Factor: 100 times increase in base area (+400 DC). Mitigating factor: burn 10,000 XP (-100 DC).

The creature or object targeted emanates bitter cold to a radius of 1,000 feet for 20 hours. The emanated cold deals 2d6 points of damage per round against unprotected creatures (the target is susceptible if not magically protected or otherwise resistant to the energy). The intense cold freezes water out of the air, causing constant snowfall and wind. The snow and wind produce a blizzard effect within the area.
XP Cost 10,000 XP.

Only problem is that that's epic. And this is pre-epic, though not by much. Plus, I could gate it in, but it would be hard...

And oh, Chain Spell would be nice. Only problem is that I might replace Incantatrix with Dweomerkeeper, just for Supernatural, Undispellable spells.

Of course, Dweomerkeeper's fun only requires 4 levels... and so does an Incantatrix's Metamagic Effect.

Hell, I've got 2 levels to play with. Maybe a level dip in cleric, to get that extend spell for free? What else...
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: KellKheraptis on November 02, 2010, 04:11:07 PM
Last two levels : Tainted Sorcerer for 1, for arbitrarily high DC's and a zillion 23rd level spells/day, and say...Mindbender?  Mindsight+Lifesight would be hawt.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 02, 2010, 04:17:31 PM
necrop, so the negative energy is your friend and the wights like you better / less..
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: RobbyPants on November 02, 2010, 04:22:25 PM
You forgot invisible spell  :P
Brings a new meaning to "Is it just me, or is it cold in here?"

*Turns into wight*
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 04:24:42 PM
necrop, so the negative energy is your friend and the wights like you better / less..

Yeah, being a necroplitan would protect you from most of the spells effects. But last time I checked, wights would still hate you.

Edit: Dweomerkeeper can't be used, because Fimbulwinter takes 10 minutes to cast, and Supernatural Spell takes 10 minutes to cast.

Unless someone can direct me to a way to lower casting time...

What should this combo be called?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Kajhera on November 02, 2010, 04:29:18 PM
necrop, so the negative energy is your friend and the wights like you better / less..

Yeah, being a necroplitan would protect you from most of the spells effects. But last time I checked, wights would still hate you.

They would be less inclined to eat you at least.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 02, 2010, 04:34:43 PM
necrop, so the negative energy is your friend and the wights like you better / less..

And here is the set up.
Player: Can I take Troll-Blooded?
DM: No.
Player: Ok, well I want to be a Necropolition.
DM: Fine.
Player: ... Ok now I cast Fimbulwinter and I kill your world for the fast healing I am missing out on.

Yeah, it can say fuck you.

+3 to the thread. Amazing find.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Phoenix00 on November 02, 2010, 04:36:08 PM
You need to use the Piercing Cold Metamagic Feat or a Rod of Piercing Cold (page 111 of frostburn).  So it bypass cold energy resistance as well as cold energy immunity.

Remember if you do dweomerkeeper you can't cast a supernatural spell if the casting time is greater than 1 standard action.  Thus you will need to do a trick such as alactricous cogitation+rapid spell or supernatural wish replicating fimbulwinter to get the casting time down to 1 standard action.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: wotmaniac on November 02, 2010, 04:39:09 PM
Unless someone can direct me to a way to lower casting time...
well, Rapid Spell should bring each one down to 1 minute (unless I'm totally reading that feat wrong -- wouldn't be the first time)

oh, and :ninja'ed ... by someone who evidently knows this kind of thing much better than I.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: KellKheraptis on November 02, 2010, 04:43:57 PM
Uncanny Forethought + Arcane Spellsurge + Quicken Spell = Swift action :)

Now you use your standard action to cast a Twinned Greater Arcane Fusion, with Celerity and Greater Celerity stuffed inside.  Viola, back at square one, as you use the standard action to recharge with Chaotic Spell Recall using an action point (of which you get one free each round), and still have your full round's worth of actions.  Oh, and once it catches up, Time Stop to recharge fully.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 02, 2010, 04:50:02 PM
Can this be Widened? Or whatever the double radius metamagic feat is.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: KellKheraptis on November 02, 2010, 05:00:57 PM
Can this be Widened? Or whatever the double radius metamagic feat is.

Again, the build has Metamagic Effect, and can persist unfettered heroism to repeatedly use ME.  Absolutely!
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 05:05:31 PM
It can be widened.

80 mile radius, anyone?

I like the time shorteners...

And piercing cold would be great.

And, well, too bad I can't fit Eldritch Theurge on this, just for Brimstone Blast. That might sound odd, but think about it for a moment: you deal 8 fire damage, 4 cold damage, and 4 negative energy damage, adn people inside have to make a reflex save or catch on fire.

Add in that metamagic feat that removes saves, and you have a hilarious wintry spell to cast.

"Oh no, permanent winter! Oh no, wights everywhere! Oh no, people bursting into fla... what the fuck?"

Of course, that is less optimal, 'cause it doesn't give you that fast healing if you're a necropolitan, unless you're immune to cold and fire damage.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 02, 2010, 05:14:59 PM
whats the full current build?

also, in the OP there is a bit about "Make sure you've raised your CL to 40." what were we doing that with?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Beltendu on November 02, 2010, 05:16:07 PM
Circle Magic would be my guess.  I'm pretty sure I've seen people do that before (though I've not looked at it myself y et).
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: archangel.arcanis on November 02, 2010, 05:16:19 PM
whats the full current build?

also, in the OP there is a bit about "Make sure you've raised your CL to 40." what were we doing that with?
CL40 is from circle magic. I don't recall which class they are using but only 3 grant it.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: KellKheraptis on November 02, 2010, 05:23:23 PM
whats the full current build?

also, in the OP there is a bit about "Make sure you've raised your CL to 40." what were we doing that with?
CL40 is from circle magic. I don't recall which class they are using but only 3 grant it.

Red Wizard of course, if nothing else for the free +2 CL from 5 levels worth of it, and potentially more if you used Earth Spell to Heighten it as well.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 02, 2010, 05:36:44 PM
the more i look, the less fun this gets..

Quote
Spells: Fimbulwinter

Metamagic: Fell Drain, Extend Spell, Flash Frost Spell, Energy Substitution (Cold), and Lord of the Uttercold

Metamagic Reducer: Arcane Thesis (Fimbulwinter).

Maximize Spell and Empower Spell are gained from Circle Magic

Fimbulwinter (8)+Fell Drain (+2-1-1)+Flash Frost Spell (+1-1)+Extend Spell (+1-1)+Lord of the Uttercold (+0)

Energy Substitution (Cold) is required for Lord of the Uttercold.

Quote
For another, its cold is infused with the deadly embrace of the Negative Energy plane. Every six seconds, regardless of the actual conditions within the circle, everything takes 8 cold damage and 8 negative energy damage. And everything damaged gets dealt a negative level. Wights begin to rise within a day of the start of this storm.

Fimbulwinter, makes winter harsher, doesn't actually do damage. such as fell fireball vs fell summon monster

Metamagic:
Fell Drain, once the spell can do some damage of its own, i wont have a problem w/ this but for now i do.
Extend Spell, no worries, seems fine
Flash Frost Spell,  took me a second to find this, i wasnt looking at meta's.. so this makes the spell 0 + 2hp damage and enable fell.
Energy Substitution (Cold) enable flash frost spell
Lord of the Uttercold , turns 0 + 2 cold damage, into 0 + 1 cold + 1 negative damage.

Metamagic Reducer:

Arcane Thesis (Fimbulwinter). duh

Maximize Spell and Empower Spell are gained from Circle Magic

Fimbulwinter (8)+Fell Drain (+2-1-1)+Flash Frost Spell (+1-1)+Extend Spell (+1-1)+Lord of the Uttercold (+0) (where did the 8s come from? i only see 2 + fell. )

Energy Substitution (Cold) is required for Lord of the Uttercold.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bozwevial on November 02, 2010, 05:52:31 PM
Fimbulwinter is an 8th level spell, IIRC, thus the 8.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 05:53:24 PM
The simplest way to pull this off is to have the following build, as I had in the OP.

Human Wizard (Transmuter, banning Evocation and Necromancy) 5/Red Wizard (Ban whatever you want) 5/Incantatrix (Banning Illusion) 5/Cleric 1/Dweomerkeeper 4

Feats:
1st: Tattoo Focus
Human: Widen Spell
Flaw: Chain Spell
Flaw: Spell Mastery (Retrain to include Fimbulwinter later)
B: Scribe Scroll
3rd: Fell Drain
5th: Energy Substution (Cold)
6th: Flash Frost Spell
9th: Lord of the Uttercold
10th: Transdimensional Spell
11th: Enlarge Spell
12th: Uncanny Forethought
15th: Metamagic School Focus (Transmutation)
15th: Piercing Cold
16th: Extend Spell (Bonus).
18th: Arcane Thesis (Fimbulwinter)

Domains: Magic and Planning

Buy Iron Will at the Oytugh Hole before level 11.

Capabilities:

Casts Fimbulwinter as a standard action and a supernatural effect.

Any metamagic feat applied to a spell from the Transmutation school has its spell level adjustment reduced by 1. Metamagic can be applied for free. All metamagic applied to Fimbulwinter are at -2 spell level.

So, here are the stats of Fimbulwinter, with all metamagic possible, when cast at 20th level.

Supernatural Effect.
Duration of 100-144 weeks
Area of Effect: an 88-mile-radius circle
Effect on everyone inside: 8-10 feet of snow on the ground. Winds of 31+ mph. All creatures within take 8 cold damage, 8 negative energy damage, and one negative level per round. Cold damage goes through cold resistance, and is only reduced by half against cold immunity.
Hits Ethereal and Incorporeal creatures as well.
Spell level: 8 (or 20, for the lols)
Repeated 20 times per casting, with the center of each effect up to 88 miles away from the last one.

And you can make a scroll of this puppy.

Oh, and Altpersona? Fimbulwinter is already a cold subtype spell.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 02, 2010, 05:53:50 PM
what?

your saying its an 8th level spell so it does 8 points of damage? hows that work? what am i overlooking?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: archangel.arcanis on November 02, 2010, 05:56:39 PM
what?

your saying its an 8th level spell so it does 8 points of damage? hows that work? what am i overlooking?
Flash frost is +2 cold per spell level, then half of that gets converted to negative energy by Lord of the Uttercold.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 02, 2010, 05:59:43 PM
o.0, i did overlook that..

so its 16dmg, 8 and 8. k. carry on.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Saxony on November 02, 2010, 06:01:22 PM
Kell, you are a wonderful person.

Now, what other spells would be helpful when used with the random roll for weather conditions? Are there any spells that add to generic d20 rolls? Because the 9 inches of snow/11+ mile per hour winds are only if you roll a 1-5.

I want to make this as horrible as possible.
Doesn't maximize and empower take care of this?

Your d20 roll to determine amount of snowfall and wind is maximized and empowered, no?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bozwevial on November 02, 2010, 06:01:54 PM
what?

your saying its an 8th level spell so it does 8 points of damage? hows that work? what am i overlooking?
Flash frost is +2 cold per spell level, then half of that gets converted to negative energy by Lord of the Uttercold.
Yeah, I was talking about the spell levels, not the damage added, but that works too. :P
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: BeholderSlayer on November 02, 2010, 06:04:31 PM
Both Red Wizard and Incantrix make you ban a school, IIRC, so you'll have 4 banned schools if you go Transmuter RW/Incantrix.

Of course, if you can scribe high level spells into a BBB before you take each PrC, you won't have much of a problem.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 06:05:31 PM
Kell, you are a wonderful person.

Now, what other spells would be helpful when used with the random roll for weather conditions? Are there any spells that add to generic d20 rolls? Because the 9 inches of snow/11+ mile per hour winds are only if you roll a 1-5.

I want to make this as horrible as possible.
Doesn't maximize and empower take care of this?

Your d20 roll to determine amount of snowfall and wind is maximized and empowered, no?

Thanks for the heads up. We caught that a while ago, though.

But with the empower, which we did miss out on, you can lapse on some of the extra stuff, like Frostfell (which was kind of a waste anyway.) or casting it in winter.

Now we can cast it in Autumn with no reduction! Wooo!


Your right, editing now.
Both Red Wizard and Incantrix make you ban a school, IIRC, so you'll have 4 banned schools if you go Transmuter RW/Incantrix.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: archangel.arcanis on November 02, 2010, 06:06:26 PM
Both Red Wizard and Incantrix make you ban a school, IIRC, so you'll have 4 banned schools if you go Transmuter RW/Incantrix.
Unless you are a gnome do you care about any schools other than Transmutation and Conjuration?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bozwevial on November 02, 2010, 06:09:39 PM
Both Red Wizard and Incantrix make you ban a school, IIRC, so you'll have 4 banned schools if you go Transmuter RW/Incantrix.
Unless you are a gnome do you care about any schools other than Transmutation and Conjuration?
Abjuration to get into Incantatrix?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: archangel.arcanis on November 02, 2010, 06:12:06 PM
Both Red Wizard and Incantrix make you ban a school, IIRC, so you'll have 4 banned schools if you go Transmuter RW/Incantrix.
Unless you are a gnome do you care about any schools other than Transmutation and Conjuration?
Abjuration to get into Incantatrix?
So you drop Ench., Evoc., Ill., and Necro.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: BeholderSlayer on November 02, 2010, 06:12:47 PM
Both Red Wizard and Incantrix make you ban a school, IIRC, so you'll have 4 banned schools if you go Transmuter RW/Incantrix.
Unless you are a gnome do you care about any schools other than Transmutation and Conjuration?
Not really, but you can get around it, anyway, to get the goodies. It requires some wealth squeeze, though. Take Craft Wonderous Item at level 3 instead of Fell Drain, craft a BBB. Once you have your BBB you can retrain CWI for Fell Drain and still qualify for Red Wizard. Spend all the wealth you can on good spells specifically from schools you are going to ban later (you'll definitely want Simulacrum for a Red Wizard before you ban it at Incantrix). Pick up any goodies you might want from the school you choose to ban at Red Wizard between levels 3 and 6.

This gets around the fact that you banned the school, since you already learned the spell and scribed it. Both Incantrix and Red Wizards have the provision that previously learned spells from newly banned schools can be cast regularly.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Surreal on November 02, 2010, 06:28:13 PM
So... can a spell to power erudite do anything similar? They don't get any of the crazy metamagic goodies that really power the combo (unless you find some way to finagle magic mantle into there), but there's always linked power to negate the casting time...
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Rebel7284 on November 02, 2010, 06:31:35 PM
This gets around the fact that you banned the school, since you already learned the spell and scribed it. Both Incantrix and Red Wizards have the provision that previously learned spells from newly banned schools can be cast regularly.

The old Incantatrix said this, the new one seems to lack this line.  However, this works for the Red Wizard.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: BeholderSlayer on November 02, 2010, 06:43:40 PM
This gets around the fact that you banned the school, since you already learned the spell and scribed it. Both Incantrix and Red Wizards have the provision that previously learned spells from newly banned schools can be cast regularly.

The old Incantatrix said this, the new one seems to lack this line.  However, this works for the Red Wizard.
hmph. interesting. i'd pick enchantment, then, at Incantrix.
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Post by: BrokeAndDrive on November 02, 2010, 07:07:42 PM
I could gate [a xixecal] in-
No. :banghead[spoiler]Xixecal = abomination

Abomination = rank 0 deity (Ordinary mortals do not have a divine rank of 0. They lack a divine rank altogether.)

Text of Gate spell:
"Deities [of which abominations such as a xixecal are] and unique beings are under no compulsion to come through the gate..." "Deities and unique beings cannot be controlled in any event..."

Even if it felt like waltzing through on its own, good luck fitting something 100+ ft. tall through a 20 ft. door.[/spoiler]


Digression aside, I cackled in sheer glee at the thought of, "Hey! Sharn! :fu"  :lmao
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 07:14:11 PM
I could gate [a xixecal] in-
No. :banghead[spoiler]Xixecal = abomination

Abomination = rank 0 deity (Ordinary mortals do not have a divine rank of 0. They lack a divine rank altogether.)

Text of Gate spell:
"Deities [of which abominations such as a xixecal are] and unique beings are under no compulsion to come through the gate..." "Deities and unique beings cannot be controlled in any event..."

Even if it felt like waltzing through on its own, good luck fitting something 100+ ft. tall through a 20 ft. door.[/spoiler]


Digression aside, I cackled in sheer glee at the thought of, "Hey! Sharn! :fu"  :lmao

Forgot the divine rank.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Mixster on November 02, 2010, 07:20:23 PM
Now to create a ring that does this continously and give it to the BBEG. Who is undead, immune to frost damage, and disregards level drain. He could sit on a throne of ice, and have a blade called frostmourne. Then there could be this half-demon called Illidan who attempts to kill him.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 02, 2010, 07:22:53 PM
Now to create a ring that does this continously and give it to the BBEG. Who is undead, immune to frost damage, and disregards level drain. He could sit on a throne of ice, and have a blade called frostmourne. Then there could be this half-demon called Illidan who attempts to kill him.

Some sort of Lich, perhaps? I'm given to understand they're immune to cold, and, as undead, immune to energy drain.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 02, 2010, 08:05:12 PM
Now to create a ring that does this continously and give it to the BBEG. Who is undead, immune to frost damage, and disregards level drain. He could sit on a throne of ice, and have a blade called frostmourne. Then there could be this half-demon called Illidan who attempts to kill him.

Some sort of Lich, perhaps? I'm given to understand they're immune to cold, and, as undead, immune to energy drain.

:evillaugh
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Mixster on November 02, 2010, 08:07:34 PM
Now to create a ring that does this continously and give it to the BBEG. Who is undead, immune to frost damage, and disregards level drain. He could sit on a throne of ice, and have a blade called frostmourne. Then there could be this half-demon called Illidan who attempts to kill him.

Some sort of Lich, perhaps? I'm given to understand they're immune to cold, and, as undead, immune to energy drain.

:evillaugh

Yeah, with this awesome Item, he could call himself the king of liches. Although other some undead could be rebellious shades and try to kill him. No wait, that's too silly. The king of liches would be fine.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: bearsarebrown on November 02, 2010, 08:09:26 PM
Refluff Walker in the Waste to the Frostfell and you have a perfect villain.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: KellKheraptis on November 02, 2010, 08:15:34 PM
For some reason...Hall of the Mountain King comes to mind.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: The_Mad_Linguist on November 02, 2010, 08:28:33 PM
Doesn't the fell drain only cause a single negative level?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 08:40:20 PM
Doesn't the fell drain only cause a single negative level?

Yep, each time they're damaged. And you're damaging them once a round.

Those negative levels last 44 hours btw. So dragging someone out of the area doesn't help much.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: betrayor on November 02, 2010, 08:42:38 PM
Nice... :D :D
I will use a variation of this to explain to my players what happened to Cyre....
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: The_Mad_Linguist on November 02, 2010, 08:45:50 PM
Doesn't the fell drain only cause a single negative level?

Yep, each time they're damaged. And you're damaging them once a round.
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You can alter a spell that deals damage to foes so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level
I think that limits it to one level per spell, since it doesn't say "whenever".
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 02, 2010, 08:58:50 PM
ok, need a math nerd, placing five 40mile radius circles edge on each other, how much 'safe' space is left per area
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 02, 2010, 09:03:22 PM
it wont matter much as to how long it lasts, even if each casting only deals 16 points of damage once.

thats every peasant below level 5, and all but the Con heavy pc classes as well.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: awaken DM golem on November 02, 2010, 09:07:12 PM
(minor tangent)


In the 70s way before my time,
Scientists thought the Earth was cooling,
and it was front page news for a while.
The right wing conspiracy types really "liked" this one.
They paid it enough attention,
and came to "believe" it so much,
that when Global Warming became something
scientifically provable, they said NO.
Loudly.

They think this spell is what will happen to the Earth.
They wanna stop this spell, and all the people who don't agree with them too.
D&D is part of the conspiracy.
Claiming otherwise, just shows you how deep the conspiracy is.
 :twitch :P
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 02, 2010, 09:17:04 PM
i count 39.2 k castings to cover the earth.

this is rather high, you dont actually need to do the whole thing perfectly..

we are using time stop right? and pocket dimensions with reverse time traits?

if its 14400 castings per day, x 10 for maximized extended time stop.

39.3k / 144000 = .27 days. or abit less than 8 hours.

thats best case i think.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: The_Mad_Linguist on November 02, 2010, 09:19:03 PM
'Till one bastard with IHS comes and destroys your evil plot.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 02, 2010, 09:27:23 PM
my puny math says

.3.14*40*40 =5024 area of spell
80*80 = 6400 area of grid square sized to fit spell.

thats 1300ish wasted sq miles per grid square. a 36 x 36 mile area between spell areas.

so your gonna have to make two passes to cover everything... so 16 hours.. minus what ever the area of your targets bodies of water is..

then you have to address the underground areas.. the might take the rest of the day..

Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 09:34:12 PM
Stupid IHS.

You know what else might be interesting? Seeing if we can get Eldritch Theurge and Intiate of Mystra onto this. Why? Because you can essentially add any AoE spell to another spell 3+Cha times per day, and Initiate of Mystra allows your spells to still work inside an AMF...

Antimagic Winter means yes.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Mixster on November 02, 2010, 10:52:47 PM
my puny math says

.3.14*40*40 =5024 area of spell
80*80 = 6400 area of grid square sized to fit spell.

thats 1300ish wasted sq miles per grid square. a 36 x 36 mile area between spell areas.

so your gonna have to make two passes to cover everything... so 16 hours.. minus what ever the area of your targets bodies of water is..

then you have to address the underground areas.. the might take the rest of the day..


This seems correct.
However, remember the area is not really a square. it's sort of star shaped.
I might be wrong, but if I remember this correctly from public school maths. If you have the areas overlap with 10 miles each you will create a grid with no lose spots.

Could this be energy substituted with Fire for a warm version? Or even Sonic for a very odd version?

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'Till one bastard with IHS comes and destroys your evil plot.
If he's a drow, he can destroy the sun as well with IHS. So that's a kindda moot point.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 02, 2010, 10:57:56 PM
Yes, it can be energy substituted. However, you would have to drop Lord of the Uttercold, because that requires Energy Substitution (Cold).

Maybe nab Elven Spell Lore, so that it can switch periodically. Make the damage Vile, and you just ticked off so many people.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Ujayim on November 02, 2010, 11:59:49 PM
Could take Energy Sub (Electric) and then Born of Three Thunders.
Just for sillies.
Suddenly everyone's taking elec/sonic damage, getting knocked over and stunned every round.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: telehax on November 03, 2010, 01:08:48 AM
for the last time, born of three thunders does not work that way
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 03, 2010, 01:28:50 AM
Pretty funny, though, when the spell expires and whatever survivors remain are wondering, "How could this possibly get any worse?" and a shockwave shatters their windows and knocks them prone as the doomwinter fades.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Vynar on November 03, 2010, 01:57:19 AM
This seems very cool, if I had friends to play dnd with, I'd probably include this as and event in the world. :P
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 03, 2010, 03:08:49 AM
Doesn't the fell drain only cause a single negative level?

Yep, each time they're damaged. And you're damaging them once a round.
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You can alter a spell that deals damage to foes so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level
I think that limits it to one level per spell, since it doesn't say "whenever".
The FAQ/Sage has said no and used the Fell Drain Magic Missile for the example. Wording wise it is pretty binary: "so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level.". Also, they cap out at 15 hours for the duration. Still plenty to get the job done, but several short of the mentioned 44 hours.

And yeah Bo3Ts doesn't give a three saves per round effect. Bo3T's effect is done when the spell concludes.

Do you have feat room (or maybe buy some metamagic rods?).
Reaping Spell: Nothing less than True Resurrection can be used to return someone to life, and even that has a 50% fail chance.
Transdimensional Spell: Any extraplanar space in the area is hit as well, including Rope Trick, Bags of Holding, people hiding on the Ethereal plane...
Violate Spell(fimbulwinter): Half the damage is Vile, which is uncurable without a Consecrated area. Undead are still immune.

And finally, the MiC, page 125 has the Ring of Mystic Fire. There is even a Ring of Mystic Lightning. A Ring of Mystic Cold isn't far fetched and could be used to add +4d6 damage to the spell. Probably works like Fell Drain but it does boost the first round of damage for a mere 7,500gp and allows stuff like Cold Snap to be applied.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: PlzBreakMyCampaign on November 03, 2010, 10:36:30 PM
can i request a tl;dr version? sleepy but looks fun
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: BeholderSlayer on November 03, 2010, 10:40:37 PM
can i request a tl;dr version? sleepy but looks fun
High CL + Fimbulwinter + Fell Drain + Other Meta's = snowstorm from hell
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 03, 2010, 11:20:18 PM
Doesn't the fell drain only cause a single negative level?

Yep, each time they're damaged. And you're damaging them once a round.
Quote
You can alter a spell that deals damage to foes so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level
I think that limits it to one level per spell, since it doesn't say "whenever".
The FAQ/Sage has said no and used the Fell Drain Magic Missile for the example. Wording wise it is pretty binary: "so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level.". Also, they cap out at 15 hours for the duration. Still plenty to get the job done, but several short of the mentioned 44 hours.

And yeah Bo3Ts doesn't give a three saves per round effect. Bo3T's effect is done when the spell concludes.

Do you have feat room (or maybe buy some metamagic rods?).
Reaping Spell: Nothing less than True Resurrection can be used to return someone to life, and even that has a 50% fail chance.
Transdimensional Spell: Any extraplanar space in the area is hit as well, including Rope Trick, Bags of Holding, people hiding on the Ethereal plane...
Violate Spell(fimbulwinter): Half the damage is Vile, which is uncurable without a Consecrated area. Undead are still immune.

And finally, the MiC, page 125 has the Ring of Mystic Fire. There is even a Ring of Mystic Lightning. A Ring of Mystic Cold isn't far fetched and could be used to add +4d6 damage to the spell. Probably works like Fell Drain but it does boost the first round of damage for a mere 7,500gp and allows stuff like Cold Snap to be applied.


But its a different case than Fell Drain Magic Missile, as each of those missiles would impact them simultaneously, counting as a single burst of damage.

And since it outright says "so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level.", that means that when they are damaged the next round, they get another negative level, because they are being dealt damage. It never says that the number of negative levels applied to a creature is capped; other abilities that work like this tend to have language to that effect. And this one doesn't. So it isn't capped.

Quid pro Quo.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Foxwander on November 04, 2010, 02:15:04 AM
But its a different case than Fell Drain Magic Missile, as each of those missiles would impact them simultaneously, counting as a single burst of damage.

And since it outright says "so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level.", that means that when they are damaged the next round, they get another negative level, because they are being dealt damage. It never says that the number of negative levels applied to a creature is capped; other abilities that work like this tend to have language to that effect. And this one doesn't. So it isn't capped.

Quid pro Quo.

Love the winter-pocalypse effect but how is it causing damage every round? I can see the 16 damage turned 8 cold/8 neg + 1 neg level, but I'm not sure it happens repeatedly.  The feats would imply it happens only once- which will still kill and undeadify most every peasant in the area, but it's not the awesome years long death-dealer it could be.  Am I missing something?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Surreal on November 04, 2010, 04:17:08 AM
Refluff Walker in the Waste to the Frostfell and you have a perfect villain.

Actually, would a regular WitW with his heat/draught aura negate the winter? That would almost make the typically villainous creature a hero...
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 04, 2010, 04:29:47 AM
Love the winter-pocalypse effect but how is it causing damage every round? I can see the 16 damage turned 8 cold/8 neg + 1 neg level, but I'm not sure it happens repeatedly.  The feats would imply it happens only once- which will still kill and undeadify most every peasant in the area, but it's not the awesome years long death-dealer it could be.  Am I missing something?
Umm, now that you mention it. It doesn't.

Flash Frost adds 2 damage per spell level to the spell. Not 2 damage per round.
A flash frost spell deals an extra 2 points of cold damage per level of the spell to all targets in the area.
Just like Fell Drain bestows a negative level to anyone damaged by the spell. Not damaged multiple times regardless of how far apart time wise the damage is.

So I figured it was the spell Fimbulwinter that was doing it. Nope, it isn't.
Amechra's thread is essentially based on the BS concept that adding a delay to how fast the damage hits you instantly makes Flash Frost & Fell Drain hit multiple times. You know, despite both only working once per spell effect and no rules saying that changes when you alter the duration.

1. But its a different case than Fell Drain Magic Missile, as each of those missiles would impact them simultaneously, counting as a single burst of damage.

2. And since it outright says "so that any living creature that is dealt damage also gains a negative level.", that means that when they are damaged the next round, they get another negative level, because they are being dealt damage. 3. It never says that the number of negative levels applied to a creature is capped; other abilities that work like this tend to have language to that effect. And this one doesn't. So it isn't capped.

Quid pro Quo.
Umm, what? This is SorO here. Failures like that in logic get made fun of by me in a condescending way that makes people hate me more.

1. Orly? I don't see text contained there in on either feats that change how they work when the duration is altered. Just what made you think you can pull that leap in logic out of your ass? Can I extend Deathwatch and then make up rules that, since I changed the duration, I gain 1,000 temp HP?
2. It can mean each time it deals damage, or not. Both interpretations are valid, however the FAQ/Sage says your wrong.
3. You failed to read my post, much like failing to read the feat rules, as I spoke of the duration of the negative levels is capped at 15 hours and not the mentioned 44 hour duration. I didn't say anything about how negative levels stack and would be dumbfounded at how you think I did if not for the glaring mistakes you have made already.

Have your stupid comment back too.
Quid pro Quo.

P.S. I retract my statement about the find being awesome from before and move to ignoring this thread. I hate his quid that much. Even trolls don't bring that one out in their first rebuttal.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 04, 2010, 10:03:32 AM
Hi Welcome
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Saxony on November 04, 2010, 10:20:51 AM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: BeholderSlayer on November 04, 2010, 11:08:45 AM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
There is no greater contribution than Hi Welcome.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: snakeman830 on November 04, 2010, 12:38:10 PM
Achmera: the issue is that you would only deal the damage once.  Now, it could easily be argued that the damage is applied to anything that enters the area after the spell is cast, but you're still stuck with it only damaging once.  Only one negative level, 8 cold, and 8 negative energy damage are ever applied to any given creature.

Now, this would still be plenty to wipe out most 2HD creatures and all 1HD (which become wights) and it would still be a bitch of a 2 years, but it's not as awesome as you make it out to be.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 04, 2010, 02:03:08 PM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
There is no greater contribution than Hi Welcome.

 :thumb

And to the other guy:  :grave
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: wotmaniac on November 04, 2010, 02:05:57 PM
Now, this would still be plenty to wipe out most 2HD creatures and all 1HD (which become wights) and it would still be a bitch of a 2 years, but it's not as awesome as you make it out to be.
which would still be, like, 90% of the population.
the subsequent wights would take care of most of the survivors.

Okay, so he just created THE Zombie Apocalypse.  :thumb
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: bearsarebrown on November 04, 2010, 02:12:59 PM
Okay, so he just created THE Zombie Apocalypse.  :thumb
But honestly you can do this by just creating one Wight. No one in a normal village can survive against even one.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Smokey_the_bear on November 04, 2010, 02:19:09 PM
Okay, so he just created THE Zombie Apocalypse.  :thumb
But honestly you can do this by just creating one Wight. No one in a normal village can survive against even one.
True. The only difference would be the time it took to spread. But even if there are a billion Wights, they're still just wights and eventually a single adventurer of 7th lvl would be able to wipe them all out.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: wotmaniac on November 04, 2010, 02:44:25 PM
Okay, so he just created THE Zombie Apocalypse.  :thumb
But honestly you can do this by just creating one Wight. No one in a normal village can survive against even one.
True. The only difference would be the time it took to spread. But even if there are a billion Wights, they're still just wights and eventually a single adventurer of 7th lvl would be able to wipe them all out.
well, until they get all pissed-off and start forming "mobs" (i.e., as per the mob template)  :p
yeah, things get a little more difficult from there.


of course, now that I think about it, once you introduce the fly spell, CoP, etc. (i.e., for that aforementioned 7th-level adventurer), I guess not so much.  :shrug

... but they have to sleep sometime  :plotting
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bozwevial on November 04, 2010, 02:47:11 PM
... but they have to sleep sometime  :plotting
Rope Trick.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: bearsarebrown on November 04, 2010, 02:50:53 PM
Any Cleric 5/Radiant Servant of Pelor 1 can TRASH a city full of Wights. They're just not that scary past level 4. An AC of 25(flanking) makes you immune to them barring Critical hits. A level one Warforged can be damn near immune to them.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: wotmaniac on November 04, 2010, 02:53:36 PM
touche.

however, if you've gone through the trouble of creating THE Zombie Apocalypse, then surely you can come down a couple of times a day and hit a few area dispells to take care of that.   :D

(okay, now I'm just being a contrarian  :p)

Any Cleric 5/Radiant Servant of Pelor 1 can TRASH a city full of Wights. They're just not that scary past level 4. An AC of 25(flanking) makes you immune to them barring Critical hits. A level one Warforged can be damn near immune to them.
which is why I tossed in Mobs -- auto-hit, as well as turns as a 30HD creature (and for other effects too) :D
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 04, 2010, 03:58:17 PM
Question: Do the effects of the uberwinter not actually deal cold damage just by virtue of the weather rules? I actually assumed that's where a big part of this was coming from; you could argue that since those conditions are an effect of the spell, the metamagic applies to them as well. I think. I don't actually know the weather rules and am too lazy to look them up, though, so I just assumed that's how it worked.

EDIT: Ok, I lied. I'm looking it up. So far, I know the Wind is guaranteed to reduce the temperature band 1 step. Figuring out the actual temperature is a good deal trickier, though, so I'm going to try and find out what temperature band the rest of the spell causes, although it's safe to say they're at least Cold by default since you get snowfall (so, with the wind, that is at least Severe cold; we need Extreme cold for damage, so I'm off to see if we get that).
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 04, 2010, 04:08:13 PM
i agree its just damage once, and one temp neg level.

however;

16hp damage takes out more than just the 2nd lvl people. it takes out nearly every animal (not the high Con ones), anyone with less than 14 con is pretty much toast, at least everyone one who didnt make it out of the radius in the first couple rounds. anyone unprotected from the weather in the first few minutes is taking 1d6 + 1d4 every minute... thats 26 points of damage in the first minute (3 years dnd time) 16 + 5 (neg lvl) + 1d6 + 1d4 (non lethal)

all outside movement is screwed, @4 squares of movement to enter a heavy snow square is pretty harsh, visiblity is screwd also. so that tomorrow when the wights rise, they are going to have cover initially, and once they are adjacent to you, neither of you is running away. not to mention high winds is keeping everyone outside prone.

our brave party
Hector Paladin of Torm    4th lvl paladin
george 'the scoundrel'     3rd lvl rouge
albert the wizard             5th lvl wizard
caelic the pious               2nd lvl cleric
Cookie the cook / henchmen  5th lvl expert

round 1: ouch, wtf, is everyone ok? the lvl 2 cleric died? and the lvl5 wizard? and the 3rd lvl rogue? fuuuuuu. ok, you crawl over here. have ideas for saving those guys from being actually dead? me either, no worries (sorry fellas, roll up yetis that would be awesome)

round 2: its damn cold, we need to move and find shelter, whats with all this snow, lets move two squares north back towards the cave we cleared out two days ago. ya i know its going to have a pissed off bear in it. it looks like were going to be better off crawling the whole way, instead of getting knocked over every 10 feet. this snow shit is getting old fast.

round 11 (110feet later) hector and cookie take 5 more damage (avg), hey, share that damn lay on hands before i die over here! what do you mean your spell for the day is create water!

300 yards later, as a small troop of yeti emerge from the woods, make spot checks to see your corpse.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Saxony on November 04, 2010, 04:43:23 PM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
There is no greater contribution than Hi Welcome.

 :thumb

And to the other guy:  :grave
Hi Welcome is a cool idea, but just saying the name of a general Druid idea on a thread about a specific spell using tons of metamagic, when (If I recall correctly) said Druid idea isn't compatible with tons of metamagic seems... inappropriate. I don't know what you added to except your ego unless I am terribly mistaken and your plug directly corresponded to this thread (In which case I apologize for my rude behavior).
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: jameswilliamogle on November 04, 2010, 06:14:46 PM
I just don't understand how this is any better than a Locate City Bomb. 

I just say "Fuck You", but while wearing a pinwheel cap, and that's fun enough for me.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 04, 2010, 06:19:23 PM
I just don't understand how this is any better than a Locate City Bomb. 

I just say "Fuck You", but while wearing a pinwheel cap, and that's fun enough for me.

It lasts for 2 years, is certain to kill everything but high level adventurers (5% of the population survives a Locate City bomb, regardless of level), and dodges all the trouble of arguing over 2-dimensional circles. Also the caster doesn't need to invoke any Sculpt Spell stuff in order to survive, because a few tens of damage and a negative level are acceptable losses.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 04, 2010, 06:30:44 PM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
There is no greater contribution than Hi Welcome.

 :thumb

And to the other guy:  :grave
Hi Welcome is a cool idea, but just saying the name of a general Druid idea on a thread about a specific spell using tons of metamagic, when (If I recall correctly) said Druid idea isn't compatible with tons of metamagic seems... inappropriate. I don't know what you added to except your ego unless I am terribly mistaken and your plug directly corresponded to this thread (In which case I apologize for my rude behavior).

Sunic Flames has the facepalm. Saxony is the noob that is clueless! He has the skill of the untrained monkey! He should learn to utilize the google fu of winning!
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 04, 2010, 06:36:55 PM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
There is no greater contribution than Hi Welcome.

 :thumb

And to the other guy:  :grave
Hi Welcome is a cool idea, but just saying the name of a general Druid idea on a thread about a specific spell using tons of metamagic, when (If I recall correctly) said Druid idea isn't compatible with tons of metamagic seems... inappropriate. I don't know what you added to except your ego unless I am terribly mistaken and your plug directly corresponded to this thread (In which case I apologize for my rude behavior).

Sunic Flames has the facepalm. Saxony is the noob that is clueless! He has the skill of the untrained monkey! He should learn to utilize the google fu of winning!

Google tells me it's a meme used only by people who think "meaningless" is equivalent to "inexpressably deep and/or witty".
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 04, 2010, 07:08:59 PM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
There is no greater contribution than Hi Welcome.

 :thumb

And to the other guy:  :grave
Hi Welcome is a cool idea, but just saying the name of a general Druid idea on a thread about a specific spell using tons of metamagic, when (If I recall correctly) said Druid idea isn't compatible with tons of metamagic seems... inappropriate. I don't know what you added to except your ego unless I am terribly mistaken and your plug directly corresponded to this thread (In which case I apologize for my rude behavior).

Sunic Flames has the facepalm. Saxony is the noob that is clueless! He has the skill of the untrained monkey! He should learn to utilize the google fu of winning!

Google tells me it's a meme used only by people who think "meaningless" is equivalent to "inexpressably deep and/or witty".

Bauglir has the suck and the fail instead of the win that is awesome!

Hi Welcome
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 04, 2010, 07:24:55 PM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
There is no greater contribution than Hi Welcome.

 :thumb

And to the other guy:  :grave
Hi Welcome is a cool idea, but just saying the name of a general Druid idea on a thread about a specific spell using tons of metamagic, when (If I recall correctly) said Druid idea isn't compatible with tons of metamagic seems... inappropriate. I don't know what you added to except your ego unless I am terribly mistaken and your plug directly corresponded to this thread (In which case I apologize for my rude behavior).

Sunic Flames has the facepalm. Saxony is the noob that is clueless! He has the skill of the untrained monkey! He should learn to utilize the google fu of winning!

Google tells me it's a meme used only by people who think "meaningless" is equivalent to "inexpressably deep and/or witty".

Bauglir has the suck and the fail instead of the win that is awesome!

Hi Welcome

It's true. The ability to quote memes repeatedly proves Sunic is right in all things, and his words trusted without question.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 04, 2010, 07:27:20 PM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
There is no greater contribution than Hi Welcome.

 :thumb

And to the other guy:  :grave
Hi Welcome is a cool idea, but just saying the name of a general Druid idea on a thread about a specific spell using tons of metamagic, when (If I recall correctly) said Druid idea isn't compatible with tons of metamagic seems... inappropriate. I don't know what you added to except your ego unless I am terribly mistaken and your plug directly corresponded to this thread (In which case I apologize for my rude behavior).

Sunic Flames has the facepalm. Saxony is the noob that is clueless! He has the skill of the untrained monkey! He should learn to utilize the google fu of winning!

Google tells me it's a meme used only by people who think "meaningless" is equivalent to "inexpressably deep and/or witty".

Bauglir has the suck and the fail instead of the win that is awesome!

Hi Welcome

It's true. The ability to quote memes repeatedly proves Sunic is right in all things, and his words trusted without question.

Needs more smiting.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 04, 2010, 07:59:00 PM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
There is no greater contribution than Hi Welcome.

 :thumb

And to the other guy:  :grave
Hi Welcome is a cool idea, but just saying the name of a general Druid idea on a thread about a specific spell using tons of metamagic, when (If I recall correctly) said Druid idea isn't compatible with tons of metamagic seems... inappropriate. I don't know what you added to except your ego unless I am terribly mistaken and your plug directly corresponded to this thread (In which case I apologize for my rude behavior).

Sunic Flames has the facepalm. Saxony is the noob that is clueless! He has the skill of the untrained monkey! He should learn to utilize the google fu of winning!

Google tells me it's a meme used only by people who think "meaningless" is equivalent to "inexpressably deep and/or witty".

Bauglir has the suck and the fail instead of the win that is awesome!

Hi Welcome

It's true. The ability to quote memes repeatedly proves Sunic is right in all things, and his words trusted without question.

Needs more smiting.

Well yeah. Didn't you get the memo? Invoking Hi Welcome and Fawful in the same thread means you automatically win the internet. Unless your name isn't Sunic Flames, then you're just a poser.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 04, 2010, 08:59:16 PM
Alright sorry, I was writing the stuff on how the damage worked from memory. Again, sorry.

However, remember how I was starting this thing off by casting the center of the effect in the aoe of a Frostfell? That counts as being 3 bands colder. 4 with the winds, and we're starting in the winter...

So I'm pretty sure it's hitting Extreme Cold.

So, even if it isn't as awesome as I thought it was, it is probably cold enough that even casting Endure Elements won't help, iirc.

And the fact that there is pretty much a constant blizzard won't help...

Making a spell of this contingent upon your death, along with a Revivify and a Greater Teleport would be hilarious.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Endarire on November 04, 2010, 10:05:57 PM
I hereby dub this trick Nuclear Fimbulwinter.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 04, 2010, 11:35:13 PM
I hereby dub this trick Nuclear Fimbulwinter.

Yay! One of my ideas has a name now!
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: PhaedrusXY on November 04, 2010, 11:57:30 PM
I hereby dub this trick Nuclear Fimbulwinter.
Meh, I like Wight Christmas a lot better. :D
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 04, 2010, 11:58:38 PM
I hereby dub this trick Nuclear Fimbulwinter.
Meh, I like Wight Christmas a lot better. :D

I like that one too. Maybe combine them in some way?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: geniussavant on November 05, 2010, 12:20:11 AM
I hereby dub this trick Nuclear Fimbulwinter.
Meh, I like Wight Christmas a lot better. :D

I like that one too. Maybe combine them in some way?

how about "Nuclear Wight Out?"
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: TheEndIsNear on November 05, 2010, 12:47:22 AM
Not not as awesome as it could ahve been.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Saxony on November 05, 2010, 01:18:37 AM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
There is no greater contribution than Hi Welcome.

 :thumb

And to the other guy:  :grave
Hi Welcome is a cool idea, but just saying the name of a general Druid idea on a thread about a specific spell using tons of metamagic, when (If I recall correctly) said Druid idea isn't compatible with tons of metamagic seems... inappropriate. I don't know what you added to except your ego unless I am terribly mistaken and your plug directly corresponded to this thread (In which case I apologize for my rude behavior).

Sunic Flames has the facepalm. Saxony is the noob that is clueless! He has the skill of the untrained monkey! He should learn to utilize the google fu of winning!
I tried reading your thread when you posted it. The first bit was about making Druid Animal Companions more beastly and trying to coin a build name and then I just tuned out your post because I already knew Druids are great. The replies seemed to agree with your mega post of -5 unreading (though there was rule discussion to your build's disadvantage), so I just figured you were doing really good stuff. Kudos.

I still don't want to read about how Druid are apparently more awesome than before. Boring shit. Good research, probably. But not tilting any meta game icebergs. Thus, I don't Google what I can already find and don't want to read.

You still haven't explained your spam post.

Saying "Hi Welcome" means nothing to anyone who hasn't read your post. They think you're just trolling or non sequitor drunk posting.

It also means nothing when you don't apply your idea to this specific thread.

Your post means nothing. It's spam. Don't spam.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: BeholderSlayer on November 05, 2010, 02:46:47 AM
Hi Welcome is not a druid. Hi Welcome is a legend.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Saxony on November 05, 2010, 02:58:05 AM
Hi Welcome is not a druid. Hi Welcome is a legend.
Pretty sure Hi Welcome is a druid :sherlock

Ah, so worth it.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Ed-Zero on November 05, 2010, 02:58:52 AM
Hi Welcome is not a druid. Hi Welcome is a legend.
Then you should seriously think about linking your signature to your build, otherwise it really is just spam and will be reported as otherwise.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 05, 2010, 04:38:58 AM
Hi Welcome is not a druid. Hi Welcome is a legend.
Then you should seriously think about linking your signature to your build, otherwise it really is just spam and will be reported as otherwise.

Hi Welcome
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Foxwander on November 05, 2010, 07:03:05 AM
Alright sorry, I was writing the stuff on how the damage worked from memory. Again, sorry.

However, remember how I was starting this thing off by casting the center of the effect in the aoe of a Frostfell? That counts as being 3 bands colder. 4 with the winds, and we're starting in the winter...

So I'm pretty sure it's hitting Extreme Cold.

So, even if it isn't as awesome as I thought it was, it is probably cold enough that even casting Endure Elements won't help, iirc.

And the fact that there is pretty much a constant blizzard won't help...

Making a spell of this contingent upon your death, along with a Revivify and a Greater Teleport would be hilarious.

Even if it doesn't rip people to absolute shreds every round for the next 2 years, you can at least make the first few rounds more sucktastic for your victims by using this with Bracers of the Entangling Blast.  The initial damage is halved but it potentially last 3 more rounds.  The entanglement does its own damage (1 per spell level) AND it's cold damage so: 4 cold/4 neg energy.  That will definitely cause more negative levels- the damage is part of the spell so Fell Drain applies, but it should also trigger Flash Frost for each round of entanglement also.  And actually, one could argue that the initial round of damage shouldn't be halved by Entangling Blast because the Flash Frost damage isn't part of the spell's "normal damage", it's extra.  (Heck, there isn't ANY normal damage for Fimbulwinter)  

So all told that could be 4 neg levels + 44 cold and 44 neg energy damage for the initial Frost and 3 rounds of frigid, deadly Entanglement!  More than enough to kill most everything in a 40 mile radius.  :D
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 05, 2010, 11:27:49 AM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
There is no greater contribution than Hi Welcome.

 :thumb

And to the other guy:  :grave
Hi Welcome is a cool idea, but just saying the name of a general Druid idea on a thread about a specific spell using tons of metamagic, when (If I recall correctly) said Druid idea isn't compatible with tons of metamagic seems... inappropriate. I don't know what you added to except your ego unless I am terribly mistaken and your plug directly corresponded to this thread (In which case I apologize for my rude behavior).

Sunic Flames has the facepalm. Saxony is the noob that is clueless! He has the skill of the untrained monkey! He should learn to utilize the google fu of winning!
I tried reading your thread when you posted it. The first bit was about making Druid Animal Companions more beastly and trying to coin a build name and then I just tuned out your post because I already knew Druids are great. The replies seemed to agree with your mega post of -5 unreading (though there was rule discussion to your build's disadvantage), so I just figured you were doing really good stuff. Kudos.

I still don't want to read about how Druid are apparently more awesome than before. Boring shit. Good research, probably. But not tilting any meta game icebergs. Thus, I don't Google what I can already find and don't want to read.

You still haven't explained your spam post.

Saying "Hi Welcome" means nothing to anyone who hasn't read your post. They think you're just trolling or non sequitor drunk posting.

It also means nothing when you don't apply your idea to this specific thread.

Your post means nothing. It's spam. Don't spam.

You honestly think that that build thread is the original source of Hi Welcome? Even though BeholderSlayer had it in his sig well before this?

This is what I meant by use google you fool.

But fine. Since you insist on continuing to be a retard despite the fact I have provided you with all of the tools to elevate yourself over retardation I'll break this down for you real slow like.

The original source of Hi Welcome is not a Druid build, or anything else on BG. It's a guild on DDO. It roughly translates to "You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, so instead of explaining in detail why you are a mouth breathing fuckwit I will instead give you the nicest possible response I possibly can to your arguments by ignoring them entirely and instead greeting you to the community." You, in this case being SorO, who showed up in a very entertaining thread just to bitch about it.

The reason why I chose the name Hi Welcome for the Druid build is because nothing says "You have nothing of value to contribute, return to the drawing board." like a dinosaur eating your face. Even so, that is not the original source of Hi Welcome, and in less time than it took you to bitch about it you could have educated yourself with the magic of Google.

The irony of all this is the level of dumbfuckery manifesting from those other than the actual target of...

Hi Welcome
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 05, 2010, 11:30:46 AM
Hi Welcome is not a druid. Hi Welcome is a legend.
Then you should seriously think about linking your signature to your build, otherwise it really is just spam and will be reported as otherwise.

Hi Welcome

 :jumping

And we have a winner.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: BeholderSlayer on November 05, 2010, 02:00:33 PM
Taking the title of this thread into account, it has without a doubt turned the topic to a fun way to say "Fuck You."
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 05, 2010, 02:12:19 PM
Taking the title of this thread into account, it has without a doubt turned the topic to a fun way to say "Fuck You."

See! I'm on topic! :lmao
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 05, 2010, 02:23:10 PM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
There is no greater contribution than Hi Welcome.

 :thumb

And to the other guy:  :grave
Hi Welcome is a cool idea, but just saying the name of a general Druid idea on a thread about a specific spell using tons of metamagic, when (If I recall correctly) said Druid idea isn't compatible with tons of metamagic seems... inappropriate. I don't know what you added to except your ego unless I am terribly mistaken and your plug directly corresponded to this thread (In which case I apologize for my rude behavior).

Sunic Flames has the facepalm. Saxony is the noob that is clueless! He has the skill of the untrained monkey! He should learn to utilize the google fu of winning!
I tried reading your thread when you posted it. The first bit was about making Druid Animal Companions more beastly and trying to coin a build name and then I just tuned out your post because I already knew Druids are great. The replies seemed to agree with your mega post of -5 unreading (though there was rule discussion to your build's disadvantage), so I just figured you were doing really good stuff. Kudos.

I still don't want to read about how Druid are apparently more awesome than before. Boring shit. Good research, probably. But not tilting any meta game icebergs. Thus, I don't Google what I can already find and don't want to read.

You still haven't explained your spam post.

Saying "Hi Welcome" means nothing to anyone who hasn't read your post. They think you're just trolling or non sequitor drunk posting.

It also means nothing when you don't apply your idea to this specific thread.

Your post means nothing. It's spam. Don't spam.

You honestly think that that build thread is the original source of Hi Welcome? Even though BeholderSlayer had it in his sig well before this?

This is what I meant by use google you fool.

But fine. Since you insist on continuing to be a retard despite the fact I have provided you with all of the tools to elevate yourself over retardation I'll break this down for you real slow like.

The original source of Hi Welcome is not a Druid build, or anything else on BG. It's a guild on DDO. It roughly translates to "You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, so instead of explaining in detail why you are a mouth breathing fuckwit I will instead give you the nicest possible response I possibly can to your arguments by ignoring them entirely and instead greeting you to the community." You, in this case being SorO, who showed up in a very entertaining thread just to bitch about it.

The reason why I chose the name Hi Welcome for the Druid build is because nothing says "You have nothing of value to contribute, return to the drawing board." like a dinosaur eating your face. Even so, that is not the original source of Hi Welcome, and in less time than it took you to bitch about it you could have educated yourself with the magic of Google.

The irony of all this is the level of dumbfuckery manifesting from those other than the actual target of...

Hi Welcome

Bitching at people for not knowing what DDO Memes mean. Because this is totally a DDO forum, and besides, Hi Welcome has clearly spread to all corners of the web, so if you don't keep up with stupid memes, you're clearly retarded.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 05, 2010, 02:46:49 PM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
There is no greater contribution than Hi Welcome.

 :thumb

And to the other guy:  :grave
Hi Welcome is a cool idea, but just saying the name of a general Druid idea on a thread about a specific spell using tons of metamagic, when (If I recall correctly) said Druid idea isn't compatible with tons of metamagic seems... inappropriate. I don't know what you added to except your ego unless I am terribly mistaken and your plug directly corresponded to this thread (In which case I apologize for my rude behavior).

Sunic Flames has the facepalm. Saxony is the noob that is clueless! He has the skill of the untrained monkey! He should learn to utilize the google fu of winning!
I tried reading your thread when you posted it. The first bit was about making Druid Animal Companions more beastly and trying to coin a build name and then I just tuned out your post because I already knew Druids are great. The replies seemed to agree with your mega post of -5 unreading (though there was rule discussion to your build's disadvantage), so I just figured you were doing really good stuff. Kudos.

I still don't want to read about how Druid are apparently more awesome than before. Boring shit. Good research, probably. But not tilting any meta game icebergs. Thus, I don't Google what I can already find and don't want to read.

You still haven't explained your spam post.

Saying "Hi Welcome" means nothing to anyone who hasn't read your post. They think you're just trolling or non sequitor drunk posting.

It also means nothing when you don't apply your idea to this specific thread.

Your post means nothing. It's spam. Don't spam.

You honestly think that that build thread is the original source of Hi Welcome? Even though BeholderSlayer had it in his sig well before this?

This is what I meant by use google you fool.

But fine. Since you insist on continuing to be a retard despite the fact I have provided you with all of the tools to elevate yourself over retardation I'll break this down for you real slow like.

The original source of Hi Welcome is not a Druid build, or anything else on BG. It's a guild on DDO. It roughly translates to "You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, so instead of explaining in detail why you are a mouth breathing fuckwit I will instead give you the nicest possible response I possibly can to your arguments by ignoring them entirely and instead greeting you to the community." You, in this case being SorO, who showed up in a very entertaining thread just to bitch about it.

The reason why I chose the name Hi Welcome for the Druid build is because nothing says "You have nothing of value to contribute, return to the drawing board." like a dinosaur eating your face. Even so, that is not the original source of Hi Welcome, and in less time than it took you to bitch about it you could have educated yourself with the magic of Google.

The irony of all this is the level of dumbfuckery manifesting from those other than the actual target of...

Hi Welcome

Bitching at people for not knowing what DDO Memes mean. Because this is totally a DDO forum, and besides, Hi Welcome has clearly spread to all corners of the web, so if you don't keep up with stupid memes, you're clearly retarded.

In all honesty it has. So far I've seen it used on the SW TOR forums, the Paizo forums, Gamefaqs, BG (long before I came back, BeholderSlayer had it in his sig), TGD, and quite a few other places. Once it got added to urban dictionary, it was all over.

But you see, this isn't about that. When I see a word or phrase and do not understand its meaning I research it, either by Googling or by asking the poster what that term means. The reason for this is that I am not a lazy fucker and I strive to improve myself whenever possible. And, as it happens in less time than it took to write a single bitch post you can Google Hi Welcome and find a full definition on the first page (hint: it's not a Druid build, the Druid build came second).

So you see, this isn't about blasting people for not keeping up with their lolcats. It's about blasting people for Did Not Do the Research.

Hi Welcome
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Beltendu on November 05, 2010, 02:53:45 PM
I'll be honest, it didn't even occur to me to google it up.  My brain pretty much immediately read it to be short hand for "I'm ignoring you and telling you to fuck off by being ironically polite".  Which appears to have been pretty accurate ... :)

Of course, by the time I noticed it being used, I'd already picked up on Sunic's tendency to be an abrasive fucker towards people he thinks are being stupid, so picking up on the abrasive sarcasm was pretty easy ... :)
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Saxony on November 05, 2010, 03:21:55 PM
Hi Welcome
I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you like to say something more and contribute to this thread?
There is no greater contribution than Hi Welcome.

 :thumb

And to the other guy:  :grave
Hi Welcome is a cool idea, but just saying the name of a general Druid idea on a thread about a specific spell using tons of metamagic, when (If I recall correctly) said Druid idea isn't compatible with tons of metamagic seems... inappropriate. I don't know what you added to except your ego unless I am terribly mistaken and your plug directly corresponded to this thread (In which case I apologize for my rude behavior).

Sunic Flames has the facepalm. Saxony is the noob that is clueless! He has the skill of the untrained monkey! He should learn to utilize the google fu of winning!
I tried reading your thread when you posted it. The first bit was about making Druid Animal Companions more beastly and trying to coin a build name and then I just tuned out your post because I already knew Druids are great. The replies seemed to agree with your mega post of -5 unreading (though there was rule discussion to your build's disadvantage), so I just figured you were doing really good stuff. Kudos.

I still don't want to read about how Druid are apparently more awesome than before. Boring shit. Good research, probably. But not tilting any meta game icebergs. Thus, I don't Google what I can already find and don't want to read.

You still haven't explained your spam post.

Saying "Hi Welcome" means nothing to anyone who hasn't read your post. They think you're just trolling or non sequitor drunk posting.

It also means nothing when you don't apply your idea to this specific thread.

Your post means nothing. It's spam. Don't spam.

You honestly think that that build thread is the original source of Hi Welcome? Even though BeholderSlayer had it in his sig well before this?

This is what I meant by use google you fool.

But fine. Since you insist on continuing to be a retard despite the fact I have provided you with all of the tools to elevate yourself over retardation I'll break this down for you real slow like.

The original source of Hi Welcome is not a Druid build, or anything else on BG. It's a guild on DDO. It roughly translates to "You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, so instead of explaining in detail why you are a mouth breathing fuckwit I will instead give you the nicest possible response I possibly can to your arguments by ignoring them entirely and instead greeting you to the community." You, in this case being SorO, who showed up in a very entertaining thread just to bitch about it.

The reason why I chose the name Hi Welcome for the Druid build is because nothing says "You have nothing of value to contribute, return to the drawing board." like a dinosaur eating your face. Even so, that is not the original source of Hi Welcome, and in less time than it took you to bitch about it you could have educated yourself with the magic of Google.

The irony of all this is the level of dumbfuckery manifesting from those other than the actual target of...

Hi Welcome
It's an understandable mistake.

Do you expect me to know the contents of even a majority of every member's signatures on this forum? No. That is unreasonable.

Do you expect me to magically realize that a build's title is actually a derived from a wholly separated part of the internet (Namely, paizo and gitp and DDO. Paizo is fail. Gitp is less fail but still head ache inducing. I don't play MMO's)? No. That is unreasonable.

So why precisely would I google something I in all reasonable expectations thought I had already seen? I wouldn't.

But thanks for the swearing with all the explanation. That really made my day and your post succinct.

You're an asshole with no meaningful contribution to this thread. I kindly ask you to bend over backwards and fuck yourself before, during, and after leaving this thread.

Oh wait. I meant to say Hi Welcome instead like a passive agressive elitist douche.

Hi Welcome. Asshole.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 05, 2010, 03:24:53 PM
It's an understandable mistake.

Do you expect me to know the contents of even a majority of every member's signatures on this forum? No. That is unreasonable.

Do you expect me to magically realize that a build's title is actually a derived from a wholly separated part of the internet (Namely, paizo and gitp and DDO. Paizo is fail. Gitp is less fail but still head ache inducing. I don't play MMO's)? No. That is unreasonable.

So why precisely would I google something I in all reasonable expectations thought I had already seen? I wouldn't.

But thanks for the swearing with all the explanation. That really made my day and your post succinct.

You're an asshole with no meaningful contribution to this thread. I kindly ask you to bend over backwards and fuck yourself before, during, and after leaving this thread.

Oh wait. I meant to say Hi Welcome instead like a passive agressive elitist douche.

Hi Welcome. Asshole.

+1
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: The_Mad_Linguist on November 05, 2010, 03:25:11 PM
Dudes.  Chill out.  


Settle down.

Not worth getting worked up over.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 05, 2010, 03:35:10 PM
I'll be honest, it didn't even occur to me to google it up.  My brain pretty much immediately read it to be short hand for "I'm ignoring you and telling you to fuck off by being ironically polite".  Which appears to have been pretty accurate ... :)

Of course, by the time I noticed it being used, I'd already picked up on Sunic's tendency to be an abrasive fucker towards people he thinks are being stupid, so picking up on the abrasive sarcasm was pretty easy ... :)

Your intuitions are sound.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: BeholderSlayer on November 05, 2010, 04:05:26 PM
Dudes.  Chill out.  


Settle down.

Not worth getting worked up over.
I agree.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: geniussavant on November 05, 2010, 04:25:05 PM
Dudes.  Chill out.  


Settle down.

Not worth getting worked up over.
I agree.

So do I
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Tshern on November 05, 2010, 04:31:10 PM
I don't agree. Just make a separate thread for this so that this one isn't derailed any further and continue the fight there. I rather enjoy the fireworks. However, if that is not an option, just give it a rest, grab a few beers and shake hands.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: BeholderSlayer on November 05, 2010, 04:32:36 PM
I don't agree. Just make a separate thread for this so that this one isn't derailed any further and continue the fight there. I rather enjoy the fireworks. However, if that is not an option, just give it a rest, grab a few beers and shake hands.
I could get behind this, too.  :lol
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 05, 2010, 04:43:33 PM
Bitching at people for not knowing what DDO Memes mean. Because this is totally a DDO forum, and besides, Hi Welcome has clearly spread to all corners of the web, so if you don't keep up with stupid memes, you're clearly retarded.
Are you talking about the three trolls on DDO's PnP board who refuse to acknowledge or admit to having accounts in a real PnP board?

Because if you think they have ever said anything relevant, you really need to read this board more.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 05, 2010, 04:51:12 PM
Bitching at people for not knowing what DDO Memes mean. Because this is totally a DDO forum, and besides, Hi Welcome has clearly spread to all corners of the web, so if you don't keep up with stupid memes, you're clearly retarded.
Are you talking about the three trolls on DDO's PnP board who refuse to acknowledge or admit to having accounts in a real PnP board?

Because if you think they have ever said anything relevant, you really need to read this board more.

What does this have to do with anything at all?

Anyways, I think I -10ed him already so I'm done with that clown. Though if anyone else wants to play, smites are available 24/7.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Surreal on November 05, 2010, 04:58:38 PM
Dudes.  Chill out.  


Settle down.

Not worth getting worked up over.

You're asking people to chill out on the internet? Good luck with that...

Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: BeholderSlayer on November 05, 2010, 05:01:14 PM
Bitching at people for not knowing what DDO Memes mean. Because this is totally a DDO forum, and besides, Hi Welcome has clearly spread to all corners of the web, so if you don't keep up with stupid memes, you're clearly retarded.
Are you talking about the three trolls on DDO's PnP board who refuse to acknowledge or admit to having accounts in a real PnP board?

Because if you think they have ever said anything relevant, you really need to read this board more.
This sounds like it has an interesting story behind it.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: geniussavant on November 05, 2010, 05:05:07 PM
whats the damage record for a single spell? I just did the math on this and it does 4193280000 cold and 4193280000 negative energy and 10080000 negative levels over the course of 100 weeks, so it's kinda slow but I cant think of anything that is not immune(ex skeleton) that can survive being trapped in this for its duration
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: archangel.arcanis on November 05, 2010, 05:30:41 PM
whats the damage record for a single spell? I just did the math on this and it does 4193280000 cold and 4193280000 negative energy and 10080000 negative levels over the course of 100 weeks, so it's kinda slow but I cant think of anything that is not immune(ex skeleton) that can survive being trapped in this for its duration
Anything with sufficiently fast healing or regeneration. No matter what you would have to be immune to the negative levels unless you had a way of removing them or replacing them ridiculously fast.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 05, 2010, 05:46:22 PM
Alright, so that is calculated from the assumption that Flash Frost damages each round, yes?

Note the fact that Piercing cold is in the build. Allows you to bypass cold immunity.  :D
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: geniussavant on November 05, 2010, 05:52:47 PM
I assumed in my calculations that there was 8 damage from cold and 8 damage from negative energy and 1 negative level a round. If those assumptions weren't right, I'll redo the math. I've got nothing better to do...
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 05, 2010, 05:54:52 PM
Thing is, I've been told that it would only apply the first round...

Wait, is there an example spell that deals damage once and then has a lasting effect that's an AoE? Because if there isn't, it may set precedence for each round damage...
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: archangel.arcanis on November 05, 2010, 05:56:05 PM
Alright, so that is calculated from the assumption that Flash Frost damages each round, yes?

Note the fact that Piercing cold is in the build. Allows you to bypass cold immunity.  :D
Double check Piercing cold it isn't absolute. Immunity makes it half damage, quarter on save if there is one. Also cold sub-type creatures just laugh at you. So now I need to make an undead with the cold subtype that can cast this and then have fun.  :devil
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: geniussavant on November 05, 2010, 05:56:37 PM
I don't really know the answer, but maybe someone else does?

edit: a skeletal creature from bovd with the right levels could do it IIRC
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Vistella on November 05, 2010, 06:01:56 PM
whats the damage record for a single spell? I just did the math on this and it does 4193280000 cold and 4193280000 negative energy and 10080000 negative levels over the course of 100 weeks, so it's kinda slow but I cant think of anything that is not immune(ex skeleton) that can survive being trapped in this for its duration

persistant maximised empowered creepong cold imo
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: geniussavant on November 05, 2010, 06:11:38 PM
where's creeping cold from? I'll work up the math on that too so we can compare them

edit:never mind I found it in MotW
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Foxwander on November 05, 2010, 06:16:22 PM
whats the damage record for a single spell? I just did the math on this and it does 4193280000 cold and 4193280000 negative energy and 10080000 negative levels over the course of 100 weeks, so it's kinda slow but I cant think of anything that is not immune(ex skeleton) that can survive being trapped in this for its duration

Unfortunately, we figured out a couple of pages ago that Fell Drain and Flash Frost don't repeat- unless the underlying spell does repeating damage itself.  Since Fimbulwinter doesn't do ANY damage by itself, they would happen once and that's it.  The only way I could find to do repeating damage, as part of the spell effect, was using Bracers of the Entangling Blast- which only last 1d3 rounds- for a max of 88 damage and 4 neg levels with all the fx.  Unless the Entangling Blast is Maximised and Empowered like the rest of the spell- which, btw, should Empower the Flash Frost as well, so all the damage should be bumped up by 50%.  In that case the grand total would be 132 damage (half cold/half neg) and 4 neg levels.  Enough to kill even 8th level barbarians- not to mention all the peasants, livestock and wild animals that probably dropped in the first round.


PS- One should note that the blizzard that Fimbulwinter creates should definitely be in the "Extreme Cold" category so it will do 1d6 lethal damage every minute.  That's 1,051,200 - 6,307,200 over the course of 2 years.  But that's not from the spell (directly) and I doubt it's the record anyway.

PSS- On a sadder note, one must also consider that wights are not immune (or even resistant) to cold, and so are unlikely to escape the area of effect after they rise and wind up frozen to death just like everybody else.  SO the overall effect is more of a Nuclear Fimbulwinter after all, instead of a Wight Christmas.  :(
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 05, 2010, 06:22:01 PM
Maybe drop Piercing Cold?

I actually think that 132 damage+4 negative levels is enough. Because seriously, no save, and no one has any chance to prepare? Also, it's gradual death. So there is that fun.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Endarire on November 05, 2010, 06:27:22 PM
"I'm dreamin' of a wight Christmas..." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUbU5hD0rrM)
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: geniussavant on November 05, 2010, 06:39:25 PM
whats the damage record for a single spell? I just did the math on this and it does 4193280000 cold and 4193280000 negative energy and 10080000 negative levels over the course of 100 weeks, so it's kinda slow but I cant think of anything that is not immune(ex skeleton) that can survive being trapped in this for its duration

Unfortunately, we figured out a couple of pages ago that Fell Drain and Flash Frost don't repeat- unless the underlying spell does repeating damage itself.  Since Fimbulwinter doesn't do ANY damage by itself, they would happen once and that's it.  The only way I could find to do repeating damage, as part of the spell effect, was using Bracers of the Entangling Blast- which only last 1d3 rounds- for a max of 88 damage and 4 neg levels with all the fx.  Unless the Entangling Blast is Maximised and Empowered like the rest of the spell- which, btw, should Empower the Flash Frost as well, so all the damage should be bumped up by 50%.  In that case the grand total would be 132 damage (half cold/half neg) and 4 neg levels.  Enough to kill even 8th level barbarians- not to mention all the peasants, livestock and wild animals that probably dropped in the first round.


PS- One should note that the blizzard that Fimbulwinter creates should definitely be in the "Extreme Cold" category so it will do 1d6 lethal damage every minute.  That's 1,051,200 - 6,307,200 over the course of 2 years.  But that's not from the spell (directly) and I doubt it's the record anyway.

PSS- On a sadder note, one must also consider that wights are not immune (or even resistant) to cold, and so are unlikely to escape the area of effect after they rise and wind up frozen to death just like everybody else.  SO the overall effect is more of a Nuclear Fimbulwinter after all, instead of a Wight Christmas.  :(

oh, I missed that. In case anyone cared, i did the math, kinda for a persisted maximized empower creeping cold and it comes out to be (1.141879979x10^53629) x9 but my calculator wont go any farther, I'm no math expert though so that figure could be way off
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 05, 2010, 06:42:48 PM
while i like the damage from the weather, you dont take it once you go inside.. so, i think its pretty reasonable to assume that anyone able to survive the first five minutes, probably only has the wights to worry about.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 05, 2010, 06:46:21 PM
while i like the damage from the weather, you dont take it once you go inside.. so, i think its pretty reasonable to assume that anyone able to survive the first five minutes, probably only has the wights to worry about.

Yeah, but 5 minutes is a fucking eternity in D&D combat. No, you can't see your opponent. They're still hitting you, so it's combat.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 05, 2010, 06:47:27 PM
Hmm, now how much snow was there again?

8 to 10 feet?

I think that ends up blocking you in. Enjoy your Wisdom damage, bitch.

That is if you manage to survive the first 5 minutes.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: archangel.arcanis on November 05, 2010, 06:49:16 PM
Hmm, now how much snow was there again?

8 to 10 feet?

I think that ends up blocking you in. Enjoy your Wisdom damage, bitch.

That is if you manage to survive the first 5 minutes.
wisdom damage, try starvation because really who is going to have a sufficient supply of food/magical food producers.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 05, 2010, 06:53:20 PM
I said Wisdom damage because of Cabin Fever. It's a disease from Frostburn that has a constant chance of infecting you if you're stuck somewhere during winter.

Also starvation.

And then there's the long-term climatological effects in the area. Because of the fact that you just basically raped the climate, I can see it messing up migration patterns and such for a long time.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 05, 2010, 06:59:02 PM
Sufficient ranks in Knowledge (Nature) might allow you to cast it in sufficiently key areas to disrupt the global climate entirely, ushering in a worldwide Ice Age. If you do it right. Maybe. Needs a nice DM, though, so not really all that great.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 05, 2010, 07:03:05 PM
the wights will have plenty of food..

after 5 or 6 levels of most classes, people are going to have a decent chance of surviving the first day.

the second day, if they choose to hang out, might be more difficult.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Vistella on November 05, 2010, 07:32:35 PM
where's creeping cold from? I'll work up the math on that too so we can compare them

edit:never mind I found it in MotW

complete divine iirc for the 3.5 version

10 rounds = 1 min
60 min = 1 hour
so 1 hour = 600 rounds
and a persistant spell lasts 24 hours, so thats 14.400 rounds

so we have 103.687.200 d6 damage per day, maximised for 622.123.200 damage per day

sadly its single target only
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Saxony on November 05, 2010, 07:48:56 PM
This is the character op boards. You are allowed, even entitled to question people who you think are wrong. However if you yourself turns about to be the wrong one, you will be eviscerated on the grounds of Did Not Do the Research.
I would hardly call myself eviscerated. Then again, I'm pretty sure you're not bothered either. I would suggest buffing your insult fu. Use consonant or flowing language to spruce up cliche insults instead of using size modifiers; Be classy. Don't steal insults from the person you are insulting; Be authoritative. Tailor your insults to the situation at hand. And don't just use cliche insults nakedly; Creativity is its own reward. And lastly, don't use too many insults at once; disparate groups are undermined and similar groups are ignored as ranting.

It's hard to hate you when you are so ineffective. That's probably a good thing.

And I'm done. Have fun, Sunic. Nothing more can be said.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Foxwander on November 05, 2010, 07:49:47 PM
the wights will have plenty of food..

after 5 or 6 levels of most classes, people are going to have a decent chance of surviving the first day.

the second day, if they choose to hang out, might be more difficult.

Actually the wights will only be wights for about 7 minutes... that's how long, on average, it will take the 1d6 damage/minute from the extreme cold to kill them.  No, the wights aren't surviving this winter anymore than anyone else.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 05, 2010, 07:55:51 PM
This is the character op boards. You are allowed, even entitled to question people who you think are wrong. However if you yourself turns about to be the wrong one, you will be eviscerated on the grounds of Did Not Do the Research.
I would hardly call myself eviscerated. Then again, I'm pretty sure you're not bothered either. I would suggest buffing your insult fu. Use consonant or flowing language to spruce up cliche insults instead of using size modifiers; Be classy. Don't steal insults from the person you are insulting; Be authoritative. Tailor your insults to the situation at hand. And don't just use cliche insults nakedly; Creativity is its own reward. And lastly, don't use too many insults at once; disparate groups are undermined and similar groups are ignored as ranting.

It's hard to hate you when you are so ineffective. That's probably a good thing.

And I'm done. Have fun, Sunic. Nothing more can be said.

Hi Welcome

Go fuck yourself (or GFY for short) is not exclusive to you. In fact you might find certain DDO boards use the term regularly.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Saxony on November 05, 2010, 08:18:05 PM
This is the character op boards. You are allowed, even entitled to question people who you think are wrong. However if you yourself turns about to be the wrong one, you will be eviscerated on the grounds of Did Not Do the Research.
I would hardly call myself eviscerated. Then again, I'm pretty sure you're not bothered either. I would suggest buffing your insult fu. Use consonant or flowing language to spruce up cliche insults instead of using size modifiers; Be classy. Don't steal insults from the person you are insulting; Be authoritative. Tailor your insults to the situation at hand. And don't just use cliche insults nakedly; Creativity is its own reward. And lastly, don't use too many insults at once; disparate groups are undermined and similar groups are ignored as ranting.

It's hard to hate you when you are so ineffective. That's probably a good thing.

And I'm done. Have fun, Sunic. Nothing more can be said.

Must have last word!
Okay, go ahead.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: archangel.arcanis on November 05, 2010, 08:25:42 PM
This is the character op boards. You are allowed, even entitled to question people who you think are wrong. However if you yourself turns about to be the wrong one, you will be eviscerated on the grounds of Did Not Do the Research.
I would hardly call myself eviscerated. Then again, I'm pretty sure you're not bothered either. I would suggest buffing your insult fu. Use consonant or flowing language to spruce up cliche insults instead of using size modifiers; Be classy. Don't steal insults from the person you are insulting; Be authoritative. Tailor your insults to the situation at hand. And don't just use cliche insults nakedly; Creativity is its own reward. And lastly, don't use too many insults at once; disparate groups are undermined and similar groups are ignored as ranting.

It's hard to hate you when you are so ineffective. That's probably a good thing.

And I'm done. Have fun, Sunic. Nothing more can be said.

Hi Welcome

Go fuck yourself (or GFY for short) is not exclusive to you. In fact you might find certain DDO boards use the term regularly.
Sunic I'm going to say this as politely as I can. Stop acting like a troll who is in the 3rd grade. You have made it a point to shit in several threads that I have seen for the past week. You may have said something useful in some of those posts but I couldn't find it under the childish name calling of your Napoleonic complex. If someone is saying something that is wrong try to show them their error rather than telling them they are retarded and still not explaining anything. It will be a lot more effective and you won't have to waist so much time arguing over stupid shit. And if you really want to have a flame war with someone take it out of threads people are trying to participate in.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: geniussavant on November 05, 2010, 09:02:58 PM
where's creeping cold from? I'll work up the math on that too so we can compare them

edit:never mind I found it in MotW

complete divine iirc for the 3.5 version

10 rounds = 1 min
60 min = 1 hour
so 1 hour = 600 rounds
and a persistant spell lasts 24 hours, so thats 14.400 rounds

so we have 103.687.200 d6 damage per day, maximised for 622.123.200 damage per day

sadly its single target only

Oh, i was using a rolling factorial algorithm to plot out the increase in damage, obviously I took the hard way and screwed up. it wouldn't be a first.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: wotmaniac on November 05, 2010, 09:35:30 PM
This is the character op boards. You are allowed, even entitled to question people who you think are wrong. However if you yourself turns about to be the wrong one, you will be eviscerated on the grounds of Did Not Do the Research.
I would hardly call myself eviscerated. Then again, I'm pretty sure you're not bothered either. I would suggest buffing your insult fu. Use consonant or flowing language to spruce up cliche insults instead of using size modifiers; Be classy. Don't steal insults from the person you are insulting; Be authoritative. Tailor your insults to the situation at hand. And don't just use cliche insults nakedly; Creativity is its own reward. And lastly, don't use too many insults at once; disparate groups are undermined and similar groups are ignored as ranting.

It's hard to hate you when you are so ineffective. That's probably a good thing.

And I'm done. Have fun, Sunic. Nothing more can be said.

Must have last word!
Okay, go ahead.
SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?!
This thing was dead for almost 2 whole pages, and you had to go and restart this shit?!  WTF?! 

Besides, you brought this on yourself -- a single little 2-word troll/spam -like post is hardly anything to get ruffled-up about around here (after all, this isn't GitP).  Anyway, it wasn't even targeted at you to begin with.

Furthermore, until this thread, I didn't know what "Hi Welcome" was.  However (even at my old-enough-to-not-be-"hip"-to-all-the-nifty-internet-stuff age), with my knowledge of the existence and concept of internet memes, I took literally 3 seconds to Google "Hi Welcome" .... and what do you know - at least the first 5 results were detailed explanations of the origin of "Hi Welcome".  So, I spent a whole <1 minute of my oh-so-busy life, and thus was enlightened.
And then I moved on.

... or, at least, I tried to.  But no, you won't let me.  You just have to keep this going.  You know that Sunic is going to have a rebuttal for anything you have to say about the topic, so you insist on continuing to poke and prod him -- who's the troll now?

So, hows about you stick your thumb back in your mouth and shut the hell up?

Thank you.
 :backtotopic
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: BeholderSlayer on November 05, 2010, 09:47:17 PM
This thread is totally awesome. The best part is watching people have an actual discussion amongst the chaos.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 05, 2010, 11:07:06 PM
hey beholder
[spoiler]Hi Welcome     :lmao [/spoiler]
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 06, 2010, 02:16:10 AM
Hi Welcome. Asshole.

Red Card! Incorrect usage.

Hi Welcome

Anyways, somewhat on topic, I second dubbing this trick "Wight Christmas".

I'm dreaming of a Wight Christmas
Just like the Great Old Ones used to know.
Where the bloodspatter glistens,
and people listen
To hear undead in the snow

I'm dreaming of a Wight Christmas
With every "please help us" letter I write
I wish our days could be merry and bright
But our Christmas has turned to Wights
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: PhaedrusXY on November 06, 2010, 03:50:40 AM
That was truly inspired, RelentlessImp. I had to wipe a tear from my undying eye. /sniff
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Foxwander on November 06, 2010, 05:39:01 AM
Found a few more ways to increase the damage...
That makes it 60 damage the 1st round and 70 damage for 6 rounds after that from the Extended entanglement blast.  Empowered and Enervated that's 135 then 157x6 for 1077 points of burning, frigid, negative energy death!! Not to mention 7 negative levels, which effectively do 5 pts of damage each for another 35 points of suck, for a grand total of 1112 points!  That should kill pretty much everybody.  Now lets find some way to make those wights immune to cold so they'll survive rising in the middle of this death-winter.


P.S.- I forgot, you can also use your Incantatrix meta-magic effect to Persist the whole burning, freezing, entangled mess for over 2M points of damage- but that's just mean.  :p

P.S.S.- You can also do this whole trick AND side-step the subsequent winter-from-hell-freezes-all-your-lovely-wights-solid problem by applying all these feats and effects as a variant of the Locate City bomb.  Instead of exploding everyone with the shaky wording of that trick you're hitting them with a solidly built 200-mile radius (400 widened ;)) blast of blistering, flash-frosted entanglement. And, once you persist it with metamagic effect, it's a 24-hour ginormous circle of death that's centered, and moves with, you.  So jump on your 100mph phantom steed and take your death-machine cross-country.  In the real world you could cut a swath the height of Arizona across the whole U.S. with a 24-hour death-ride like that!
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 06, 2010, 10:07:59 AM
This is the character op boards. You are allowed, even entitled to question people who you think are wrong. However if you yourself turns about to be the wrong one, you will be eviscerated on the grounds of Did Not Do the Research.
I would hardly call myself eviscerated. Then again, I'm pretty sure you're not bothered either. I would suggest buffing your insult fu. Use consonant or flowing language to spruce up cliche insults instead of using size modifiers; Be classy. Don't steal insults from the person you are insulting; Be authoritative. Tailor your insults to the situation at hand. And don't just use cliche insults nakedly; Creativity is its own reward. And lastly, don't use too many insults at once; disparate groups are undermined and similar groups are ignored as ranting.

It's hard to hate you when you are so ineffective. That's probably a good thing.

And I'm done. Have fun, Sunic. Nothing more can be said.

Hi Welcome

Go fuck yourself (or GFY for short) is not exclusive to you. In fact you might find certain DDO boards use the term regularly.
Sunic I'm going to say this as politely as I can. Stop acting like a troll who is in the 3rd grade. You have made it a point to shit in several threads that I have seen for the past week. You may have said something useful in some of those posts but I couldn't find it under the childish name calling of your Napoleonic complex. If someone is saying something that is wrong try to show them their error rather than telling them they are retarded and still not explaining anything. It will be a lot more effective and you won't have to waist so much time arguing over stupid shit. And if you really want to have a flame war with someone take it out of threads people are trying to participate in.

You know where to find the explanation.

Hi Welcome

This is the character op boards. You are allowed, even entitled to question people who you think are wrong. However if you yourself turns about to be the wrong one, you will be eviscerated on the grounds of Did Not Do the Research.
I would hardly call myself eviscerated. Then again, I'm pretty sure you're not bothered either. I would suggest buffing your insult fu. Use consonant or flowing language to spruce up cliche insults instead of using size modifiers; Be classy. Don't steal insults from the person you are insulting; Be authoritative. Tailor your insults to the situation at hand. And don't just use cliche insults nakedly; Creativity is its own reward. And lastly, don't use too many insults at once; disparate groups are undermined and similar groups are ignored as ranting.

It's hard to hate you when you are so ineffective. That's probably a good thing.

And I'm done. Have fun, Sunic. Nothing more can be said.

Must have last word!
Okay, go ahead.
SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?!
This thing was dead for almost 2 whole pages, and you had to go and restart this shit?!  WTF?! 

Besides, you brought this on yourself -- a single little 2-word troll/spam -like post is hardly anything to get ruffled-up about around here (after all, this isn't GitP).  Anyway, it wasn't even targeted at you to begin with.

Furthermore, until this thread, I didn't know what "Hi Welcome" was.  However (even at my old-enough-to-not-be-"hip"-to-all-the-nifty-internet-stuff age), with my knowledge of the existence and concept of internet memes, I took literally 3 seconds to Google "Hi Welcome" .... and what do you know - at least the first 5 results were detailed explanations of the origin of "Hi Welcome".  So, I spent a whole <1 minute of my oh-so-busy life, and thus was enlightened.
And then I moved on.

... or, at least, I tried to.  But no, you won't let me.  You just have to keep this going.  You know that Sunic is going to have a rebuttal for anything you have to say about the topic, so you insist on continuing to poke and prod him -- who's the troll now?

So, hows about you stick your thumb back in your mouth and shut the hell up?

Thank you.
 :backtotopic

I like you.

As for the fucktard: Correcting lies is completely on topic. When you have to lie about someone to attack them not only do you concede you have no truthful grounds to oppose them on, but you will be smited all the harder for being a lying sack of shit. As you did claim that go fuck yourself was your insult, instead of being a commonly used one that also is used by the same people who brought us Hi Welcome, you are indeed a liar.

Bad liar. Stop lying.

Now I was done with you before until you had to start again. I am again done with you. Should you again instigate the fight, the smiting will continue with zest and vigor. Should you instead shut the fuck up and admit defeat, that will be the end of it.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 06, 2010, 10:23:56 AM
Can we be done with the argument yet? It's seriously devolved into this back-and-forth:

Fuckwits who are not Sunic: Sunic you're a big meanie poo-poo head and I want you to shut up because you're hurting my feelings and making me look shit up with Google. Google, Sunic. What kind of monster are you?

Sunic, who is acting like a Fuckwit, to a point: You've been smited. Shut the fuck up. I'm right. You're wrong. Here's a list of quotes and/or a series of links to posts where you've been proven wrong and/or smited. I'm going to keep smiting for every post you make in which you call me out. Don't taunt the dog or you get bitten.

Everyone Else: Cheers for Sunic or supports his antagonists without making any valid points on either side.

Me: Hi Welcome for insignificant shit and/or when it's warranted, such as Fuckwit suggesting a sig with a link to the Hi Welcome Druid rather than reading what was written about running a search engine for the term. (I refuse to use the word 'googling'.)

Take it to a DoW or something, I could use some entertainment along this vein, but it's just making it harder to find things relevant to Wight Christmas. Not that there's much left to add to it, but it's still a decent trick, but every time it's linked to it's also going to link to the argument.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: wotmaniac on November 06, 2010, 11:45:23 AM
I like the direction that Foxwander went with this .... I'll have to see what I can do with that a little later.
 :clap
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 06, 2010, 02:10:57 PM
Foxwander, I like your trick, but one of the points of this is that it lasts 2-3 years, so even without the damage, you are going to be causing problems with people.

Everywhere.

That said, I like yours too. Needs moar wounding spell, though.

So that anything immune to the level drain takes Con damage instead.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Saxony on November 06, 2010, 04:43:32 PM
I like you.

As for the fucktard: Correcting lies is completely on topic. When you have to lie about someone to attack them not only do you concede you have no truthful grounds to oppose them on, but you will be smited all the harder for being a lying sack of shit. As you did claim that go fuck yourself was your insult, instead of being a commonly used one that also is used by the same people who brought us Hi Welcome, you are indeed a liar.

Bad liar. Stop lying.

Now I was done with you before until you had to start again. I am again done with you. Should you again instigate the fight, the smiting will continue with zest and vigor. Should you instead shut the fuck up and admit defeat, that will be the end of it.
Me claiming I created "go fuck yourself" is all you got? You make this so easy it's not entertaining.

In my (possibly flawed) opinion, when there are three unaddressed arguments and the last is trivially favorably interpreted (In an ambiguous case), every argument is right.

You aren't lazy. This isn't only my opinion- Everyone here would agree you are proactive. You would have toppled every part of my post if you could. Instead, you saw I was right and covered up with noise. You're either wrong or deluded. In any case, you're trash.

Have fun talking about being correct.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 06, 2010, 04:45:48 PM
Can... can we just get back to talking about killing the seasons?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 06, 2010, 05:03:34 PM
Too late. My turn. This shit's gone on long enough.

Saxony:

Re: Hi Welcome
Pretty sure Hi Welcome is a druid :sherlock

Ah, so worth it.
On this, you pretty much ignored two people telling you to go Google it, pretty obvious clues that you were flat out-and-fucking-out wrong about pretty much everything you'd said up to this point regarding the usage of Hi Welcome , not to mention the fact that your only contribution to this thread has so far been baiting and bitching about Sunic.

I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you, perhaps, like to contribute to this thread, rather than engaging in a personal vendetta and proving yourself to be a complete and total fuckwit?

For fucking reference, your goddamned second post (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=9892.msg335712#msg335712) in this thread. Your first post contributed nothing, either, just suggested two feats from core.

I'm going to be brutally honest here: Sunic has contributed less to this than you, but you, my fine, feathered fuckwit, had to go and antagonize a person who's known for retaliating... well, like this, to people who purposely antagonize him. Could your mouth-breathing ways be any more fucking apparent at this point? Every post afterwards you have made has contributed two things to this thread: Jack, and Shit. In each post, you continue to antagonize Sunic, thus dragging the flame war out even more, when either one of you could have walked away.

Let's continue.

It's an understandable mistake.

Do you expect me to know the contents of even a majority of every member's signatures on this forum? No. That is unreasonable.

Do you expect me to magically realize that a build's title is actually a derived from a wholly separated part of the internet (Namely, paizo and gitp and DDO. Paizo is fail. Gitp is less fail but still head ache inducing. I don't play MMO's)? No. That is unreasonable.

So why precisely would I google something I in all reasonable expectations thought I had already seen? I wouldn't.

But thanks for the swearing with all the explanation. That really made my day and your post succinct.

You're an asshole with no meaningful contribution to this thread. I kindly ask you to bend over backwards and fuck yourself before, during, and after leaving this thread.

Oh wait. I meant to say Hi Welcome instead like a passive agressive elitist douche.

Hi Welcome. Asshole.

Incorrect usage of a meme to insult someone constitutes as a penalty to your appearance, regardless of whether you're right or wrong. Also, your own words can quite easily be ascribed to you. Your only contribution to this thread has been to antagonize Sunic, and no, I don't give a flying motherfuck who's wrong in this situation, because both of you are. After two fucking pages of this thing being put to rest, you had to drag it back up. In each case, this has been mostly settled, but somewhere in the back of your fucking peanut-sized brain, you felt the need to rise to the bait and poke the sleeping motherfucking porcupine with your bare fucking hands and then complain when you pulled your hand away a bloody goddamned mess.

You've both been asked to cease and desist. Another thread has been made in another forum to continue this discussion. All the emotional baggage has been moved there, except for you. Why don't you go traipse along to the other thread where people actually give a fuck about this seeming vendetta you have against Sunic, and let the people who actually contribute to this thread continue in peace?

And yeah, that last bit is aimed at both of you.

Edit: Link fixing.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 06, 2010, 05:13:35 PM
Everyone Else: Cheers for Sunic or supports his antagonists without making any valid points on either side.
Cheer is such a strong word. I neither condone nor condemn Sunic's actions but I do say this.
@Sunic,
(http://www.forumspile.com/Win-Retard_Prize.jpg)

Can... can we just get back to talking about killing the seasons?
Why?

Buy a Heart of Ice, everyday it casts fimblewinter for you and does that job without a problem. Hell you can tack on the metamagic feats to the spell for free and you don't even have to carry or hold the stone. Cast Magic Aura on it then bury it.

Given that an 8th level slot is two 7s, four 6s, eight 5s, sixteen 4s, thirty two 3s, sixty four 2s. The equivalency cost of metamagicing fimblewinter for damage is sixty four times less efficient than using Locate City. So buy the stone, bury it, add in maximize when the stone casts it, then use Locate City to kill people. Best part is you can dump all the extra feats and just concentrate on Fell Drain, compared to the fimblewinter you can bestow multiple negative levels due to multiple castings for virtually the same cost.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: wotmaniac on November 06, 2010, 05:22:46 PM
I like you.

As for the fucktard: Correcting lies is completely on topic. When you have to lie about someone to attack them not only do you concede you have no truthful grounds to oppose them on, but you will be smited all the harder for being a lying sack of shit. As you did claim that go fuck yourself was your insult, instead of being a commonly used one that also is used by the same people who brought us Hi Welcome, you are indeed a liar.

Bad liar. Stop lying.

Now I was done with you before until you had to start again. I am again done with you. Should you again instigate the fight, the smiting will continue with zest and vigor. Should you instead shut the fuck up and admit defeat, that will be the end of it.
Me claiming I created "go fuck yourself" is all you got? You make this so easy it's not entertaining.

In my (possibly flawed) opinion, when there are three unaddressed arguments and the last is trivially favorably interpreted (In an ambiguous case), every argument is right.

You aren't lazy. This isn't only my opinion- Everyone here would agree you are proactive. You would have toppled every part of my post if you could. Instead, you saw I was right and covered up with noise. You're either wrong or deluded. In any case, you're trash.

Have fun talking about being correct.
:flame  STOP IT!!!!!
Take it to either PM or the "Bitch" forum -- or, better yet, just let it go -- just stop it here.  

Just to reiterate (from Sunic):
Now I was done with you before until you had to start again. I am again done with you. Should you again instigate the fight, the smiting will continue with zest and vigor. Should you instead shut the fuck up and admit defeat, that will be the end of it.
I must be fucking psychic:
... or, at least, I tried to.  But no, you won't let me.  You just have to keep this going.  You know that Sunic is going to have a rebuttal for anything you have to say about the topic, so you insist on continuing to poke and prod him -- who's the troll now?
Pro-tip for you -- stop hitting him with the stick, and he will stop biting you.  

Sunic -- here's a pro-tip for you: stop slapping the baby, and he will stop crying.  Please just let him cry it out and be done with it.
By now you have figured out that he is just as insistent on getting the last word as you -- please don't give him any more excuse to continue this.

I don't care who's "right" or "wrong" (nor does anyone else) -- y'all both need to just stop this childish B.S.


EDIT: :ninja'ed by R.Imp.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 06, 2010, 05:39:39 PM
EDIT: :ninja'ed by R.Imp.
Needs changing to :swordsage or :shadowsunninja.

Also, motherfucking hell, I've been lured into using Google as a verb.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 06, 2010, 05:52:48 PM
Saxony, I warned you. Explicitly.

Too late. My turn. This shit's gone on long enough.

Saxony:

Re: Hi Welcome
Pretty sure Hi Welcome is a druid :sherlock

Ah, so worth it.
On this, you pretty much ignored two people telling you to go Google it, pretty obvious clues that you were flat out-and-fucking-out wrong about pretty much everything you'd said up to this point regarding the usage of Hi Welcome , not to mention the fact that your only contribution to this thread has so far been baiting and bitching about Sunic.

I'm going to call it like I see it. That's less than perfect quality posting.

Would you, perhaps, like to contribute to this thread, rather than engaging in a personal vendetta and proving yourself to be a complete and total fuckwit?

For fucking reference, your goddamned second post (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=9892.msg335712#msg335712) in this thread. Your first post contributed nothing, either, just suggested two feats from core.

I'm going to be brutally honest here: Sunic has contributed less to this than you, but you, my fine, feathered fuckwit, had to go and antagonize a person who's known for retaliating... well, like this, to people who purposely antagonize him. Could your mouth-breathing ways be any more fucking apparent at this point? Every post afterwards you have made has contributed two things to this thread: Jack, and Shit. In each post, you continue to antagonize Sunic, thus dragging the flame war out even more, when either one of you could have walked away.

Let's continue.

It's an understandable mistake.

Do you expect me to know the contents of even a majority of every member's signatures on this forum? No. That is unreasonable.

Do you expect me to magically realize that a build's title is actually a derived from a wholly separated part of the internet (Namely, paizo and gitp and DDO. Paizo is fail. Gitp is less fail but still head ache inducing. I don't play MMO's)? No. That is unreasonable.

So why precisely would I google something I in all reasonable expectations thought I had already seen? I wouldn't.

But thanks for the swearing with all the explanation. That really made my day and your post succinct.

You're an asshole with no meaningful contribution to this thread. I kindly ask you to bend over backwards and fuck yourself before, during, and after leaving this thread.

Oh wait. I meant to say Hi Welcome instead like a passive agressive elitist douche.

Hi Welcome. Asshole.

Incorrect usage of a meme to insult someone constitutes as a penalty to your appearance, regardless of whether you're right or wrong. Also, your own words can quite easily be ascribed to you. Your only contribution to this thread has been to antagonize Sunic, and no, I don't give a flying motherfuck who's wrong in this situation, because both of you are. After two fucking pages of this thing being put to rest, you had to drag it back up. In each case, this has been mostly settled, but somewhere in the back of your fucking peanut-sized brain, you felt the need to rise to the bait and poke the sleeping motherfucking porcupine with your bare fucking hands and then complain when you pulled your hand away a bloody goddamned mess.

Fortunately someone did my job first, so I'll just quote this. You get a pass this time, but you still need to fuck off Saxony. Either to the other thread, or in general I care not.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 06, 2010, 06:11:09 PM
Saxony, I warned you. Explicitly.

Fortunately someone did my job first, so I'll just quote this. You get a pass this time, but you still need to fuck off Saxony. Either to the other thread, or in general I care not.
*spritzes with water bottle* No. Bad fox-spirit. Don't feed the troll.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 06, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
So, anyway, throw Fell Frighten on this son of a bitch? Any other metamagic feats that cause fear effects? Or class features? If we can get another level of fear, we can get people running around, ideally outside into the hellfrost. Fell Animate would maybe raise a few zombies that would ordinarily not be low enough level to have risen as wights, but it's not worth it since it's capped.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Foxwander on November 06, 2010, 06:19:55 PM
Foxwander, I like your trick, but one of the points of this is that it lasts 2-3 years, so even without the damage, you are going to be causing problems with people.

Everywhere.

That said, I like yours too. Needs moar wounding spell, though.

So that anything immune to the level drain takes Con damage instead.

Thanks.  But yeah, a 2+ year winter-from-hell is quite the "fuck you" for anyplace that pisses you off.  It can also work as the ultimate defense for a kingdom's one weak point.  You know, if you've got the iconic single-mountain-pass-thru-the-orc-horde-mountains kind of thing in your area.  Boom!  Nuclear fumbulwinter that bitch and your safe for a couple of years.  I only worked on my Locate City road show of death because I thought it was unfortunate that a fell draining fimbulwinter would wind up killing off all the undead it creates.

But the good thing is- if you can cast one, then you can cast the other as well.  So now you've got apocalyptic options.  You can bring on the ice age (Just think of what your fimbulwinter would do in the middle of a major ocean current- like our gulf steam.  One casting would frak things up globally!) or you can start the age of wight death while cutting a country in two!  Or do both and place bets on what kills the last survivors- wights or hypothermia.  Who says the apocalypse can't be fun! :thumb
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 06, 2010, 06:20:08 PM
Saxony, I warned you. Explicitly.

Fortunately someone did my job first, so I'll just quote this. You get a pass this time, but you still need to fuck off Saxony. Either to the other thread, or in general I care not.
*spritzes with water bottle* No. Bad fox-spirit. Don't feed the troll.

Haven't you learned not to set off Contingencies yet? Who raised this noob anyways? Ah, fuck it.

Flesh to Stone, Stone to Mud.

And yes, I'm evil. Point? :P
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 06, 2010, 06:28:38 PM
Saxony, I warned you. Explicitly.

Fortunately someone did my job first, so I'll just quote this. You get a pass this time, but you still need to fuck off Saxony. Either to the other thread, or in general I care not.
*spritzes with water bottle* No. Bad fox-spirit. Don't feed the troll.

Haven't you learned not to set off Contingencies yet? Who raised this noob anyways? Ah, fuck it.

Flesh to Stone, Stone to Mud.

And yes, I'm evil. Point? :P

What, no Purify Water? :P
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 06, 2010, 06:49:46 PM
hows about acorn of far travel to take your wintery environmental pseudo prereq with you and turn one of the hot hell's into one of the cold hells..
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 06, 2010, 07:09:43 PM
Saxony, I warned you. Explicitly.

Fortunately someone did my job first, so I'll just quote this. You get a pass this time, but you still need to fuck off Saxony. Either to the other thread, or in general I care not.
*spritzes with water bottle* No. Bad fox-spirit. Don't feed the troll.

Haven't you learned not to set off Contingencies yet? Who raised this noob anyways? Ah, fuck it.

Flesh to Stone, Stone to Mud.

And yes, I'm evil. Point? :P

Evaporation works better. Particularly when forced.

What, no Purify Water? :P
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Stormcrow on November 06, 2010, 07:20:46 PM
here is a fun one take Cityscape's invisable spell if you know as in have some one expendable or you don't like is chased by the BEBG or mop set up and invisable gate set it up hallways are always nice to some were else (users prefrence) and if you set it up right you get rid of both and with some more luck get it closed before more problems happen
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 06, 2010, 07:26:36 PM
invisiwin
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bozwevial on November 06, 2010, 07:49:12 PM
here is a fun one take Cityscape's invisable spell if you know as in have some one expendable or you don't like is chased by the BEBG or mop set up and invisable gate set it up hallways are always nice to some were else (users prefrence) and if you set it up right you get rid of both and with some more luck get it closed before more problems happen
...what?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 06, 2010, 08:12:00 PM
here is a fun one take Cityscape's invisable spell if you know as in have some one expendable or you don't like is chased by the BEBG or mop set up and invisable gate set it up hallways are always nice to some were else (users prefrence) and if you set it up right you get rid of both and with some more luck get it closed before more problems happen
...what?
It takes a bit of parsing, but I suspect what's being said is as follows:

Get the BBEG to chase somebody expendable, or whom you don't like. Cast Invisible Gate in their path. Close the Gate before they have a chance to turn around.

I don't see it being feasible since one or the other would notice their new surroundings and take the 5 feet of movement to get out, unless it was their last square of movement (which can't be true for both).
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 06, 2010, 08:46:43 PM
hows about acorn of far travel to take your wintery environmental pseudo prereq with you and turn one of the hot hell's into one of the cold hells..

I like it. I like it lots.

And, since the spell basically has no costs, could we link this to an Energy Transference Field, that was itself cast as a Supernatural Spell?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 06, 2010, 08:55:17 PM
hows about acorn of far travel to take your wintery environmental pseudo prereq with you and turn one of the hot hell's into one of the cold hells..

I like it. I like it lots.

And, since the spell basically has no costs, could we link this to an Energy Transference Field, that was itself cast as a Supernatural Spell?

Doesn't Energy Transformation Field forbid spells with an XP component?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 06, 2010, 09:03:00 PM
I don't know. Can someone check that?

I don't think I have the book ETF is from...
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Monotremeancer on November 06, 2010, 09:10:59 PM
I don't know. Can someone check that?

I don't think I have the book ETF is from...
All hail Google!  :bow
[spoiler]
ENERGY
TRANSFORMATION
FIELD
Transmutation
Level: Sorcerer/wizard 7
Components: V, S, M, XP
Casting Time: 4 rounds
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Area: 40-ft.-radius spread
Duration: Permanent
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: Yes
You hold the eye in your palm, sprinkle it with blood and diamonds, and speak
the words. Slowly it rises from your hand, emitting a soft beam that illuminates the
chosen area. Then it disappears, and you place the spell within the magic trap.
You create a lingering zone of transformative magic that absorbs magic energy
from magic items or spellcasting and uses it to power another spell tied to
that location. For example, you could have an energy transformation field tied
to a summon monster V spell that would summon a monster when the field had
absorbed enough magic. The field absorbs the magic of spells cast, spell-like or
supernatural abilities that are activated, and magic items used within its dimensions.
Each source of magic provides spell levels of energy to the field equal to the spell level of the
effect used. Supernatural abilities that emulate spells provide energy equal
to the spell level of the effect. Supernatural abilities that do not emulate
spells provide energy equal to the HD of the creature using the ability. For
example, a cast fireball spell or a charge from a wand of fireball would add three
spell levels to the fieldís store, a potion of cure light wounds would add one, and
a wish from a ring of three wishes would add nine. Items that donít have a clearly
defined spell level (such as the effects of most rods) use the prerequisite caster
level needed to create that item (so an immovable rod would provide two
spell levels every time it was activated because of its levitate prerequisite).
Effects that are absorbed give no indication of where the magic went; they
simply vanish. The field absorbs only magic that is actually used within its area. Ongoing
magical effects that enter the area, including spells cast from outside
the area into the field or continually functioning items such as a +1 mace,
are often visibly reduced, but do not have their actual effects hindered. For
example, a continual flame would dim slightly, but its overall magic would
not be affected. An energy transformation field has a single spell linked to it. When the
field has absorbed spell levels equal to the spell level of its linked spell, it
automatically casts that spell at a point within the field designated by you at
the time of the casting of the field. This expends those absorbed spell levels
(although unused levels remain until they are used or expire). The cast spell
functions as if cast by you in terms of duration and all level-based spell
effects. Absorbed spell levels fade at a rate of one per day if not used. The field
automatically triggers its linked spell if it has enough stored spell levels and the duration
of its previous casting has expired. If a linked spell requires concentration
to maintain, the field expends one spell level for every hour of concentration
(the fieldís concentration is interrupted only by its complete destruction).
Spells that require a target will target the living creature nearest to the
field. Typical spells linked to an energy transformation field are blindness/deafness,
fireball, suggestion, summon monster, or wall of force. Spells that have a costly
material component or an XP cost cannot be linked to a field, but those
with a costly focus can if the focus object is present within the field (typically
sealed into a wall or in a secret compartment). Only Mordenkainenís disjunction, limited
wish, wish, or similar spells can destroy the energy transformation field.
Spells of lower level, such as dispel magic and greater dispel magic, are absorbed by
it, and an antimagic field prevents it from absorbing magical energy within the
field but does not otherwise hamper this spell. If two or more field spells
share an overlapping area, each field has an equal chance of absorbing a spell
effect in that area.
Material Component: Three drops of your blood, an eye from any humanoid, and 5,000 gp worth of powdered diamond.
XP Cost: 250 XP.[/spoiler]

tl dr: Spells that have a costly material component or an XP cost cannot be linked to a field, but those with a costly focus can if the focus object is present within the field (typically sealed into a wall or in a secret compartment)
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Amechra on November 06, 2010, 09:55:00 PM
Darn.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: wotmaniac on November 06, 2010, 11:13:47 PM
Okay .... try this on for size:
It's nothing earth-shattering, but kinda cool -- from drag.mag. #311, feat Spellbinder ... lets you add the Shackled spell template to your spells; which causes subject(s) to move at half-speed for the duration of the spell (min = 5ft), and stacks with other reductions in movement.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bozwevial on November 06, 2010, 11:16:46 PM
here is a fun one take Cityscape's invisable spell if you know as in have some one expendable or you don't like is chased by the BEBG or mop set up and invisable gate set it up hallways are always nice to some were else (users prefrence) and if you set it up right you get rid of both and with some more luck get it closed before more problems happen
...what?
It takes a bit of parsing, but I suspect what's being said is as follows:

Get the BBEG to chase somebody expendable, or whom you don't like. Cast Invisible Gate in their path. Close the Gate before they have a chance to turn around.

I don't see it being feasible since one or the other would notice their new surroundings and take the 5 feet of movement to get out, unless it was their last square of movement (which can't be true for both).
Ready an action to do so? Or can you just stop concentrating on the spell at any time?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: archangel.arcanis on November 06, 2010, 11:22:52 PM
Okay .... try this on for size:
It's nothing earth-shattering, but kinda cool -- from drag.mag. #311, feat Spellbinder ... lets you add the Shackled spell template to your spells; which causes subject(s) to move at half-speed for the duration of the spell (min = 5ft), and stacks with other reductions in movement.
This makes me think about horror of this thing as a living spell.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 06, 2010, 11:29:52 PM
the blizzard effects already have movement decreased, would shackled make it any worse?
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 06, 2010, 11:48:03 PM
the blizzard effects already have movement decreased, would shackled make it any worse?

50%+50% is something like a 75% reduction all told.

So they're moving at one-quarter speed instead of half, with both shackled and the blizzard conditions. Blizzard applies first, as it's a non-magical effect (technically; it's the weather, not the spell, doing it), then shackled. They're now moving at 30*0.25 or 7.5ft/round, rounded down to 5ft/round.

I think that math's correct, at least.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 07, 2010, 01:51:24 AM
the srd max blizzard is 4 squares per square. so if you have 30ft to use, then your gonna get 1 square then 2 then 1..

so shackled would make just none, or actually, 4 move actions per square... wow thats bad.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Foxwander on November 07, 2010, 04:08:23 AM
the srd max blizzard is 4 squares per square. so if you have 30ft to use, then your gonna get 1 square then 2 then 1..

so shackled would make just none, or actually, 4 move actions per square... wow thats bad.

So you're down to 1 square of movement per round and taking 1d6 lethal every minute with an ever-increasing Fort save to avoid 1d4 non-lethal on top of that.  Basically, unless you're extremely lucky with those rolls, if you're more than a quarter-mile inside the radius of this thing when it hits, you better be able to teleport because you're not walking out alive!  And flying's out of the question, unless you're huge or bigger because the wind (which should be at max effect because of maximize spell) either checks you completely or blows you backward!  :lmao
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: altpersona on November 07, 2010, 12:59:17 PM
im thinking size dosnt matter, if i remember right, even the gargantuans are going to fall down.

edit: ok, im wrong
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Foxwander on November 07, 2010, 06:15:29 PM
Oops, I forgot... this is maximized AND empowered, so the wind effects should be one category higher than max even.  You need to be colossal size in order to fly in this thing.  Man, this winter just sucks more and more. Constant, howling windstorm.  Seven+ feet of snow every day.  Lethal cold.  You be better off dying in the initial life-draining-entangle-cryo-burnination clusterfuck at the beginning!  Oh wait, that won't save you.  You'll just rise as a wight the next day- with no one alive to eat- and THEN you get to freeze to death! 

I take it back.  Having this thing undeadinate all its victims is awesome!  Cause then you get to kill everyone TWICE!  :clap
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 07, 2010, 06:23:09 PM
Oops, I forgot... this is maximized AND empowered, so the wind effects should be one category higher than max even.  You need to be colossal size in order to fly in this thing.  Man, this winter just sucks more and more. Constant, howling windstorm.  Seven+ feet of snow every day.  Lethal cold.  You be better off dying in the initial life-draining-entangle-cryo-burnination clusterfuck at the beginning!  Oh wait, that won't save you.  You'll just rise as a wight the next day- with no one alive to eat- and THEN you get to freeze to death! 

I take it back.  Having this thing undeadinate all its victims is awesome!  Cause then you get to kill everyone TWICE!  :clap

"Those fools. How dare they mock me. ME, the greatest necromancer who ever lived. They taunted me, called me names, bullied me and smacked me around. Well, I showed them. I showed them all. Those fools. Those stupid, stupid fools. I killed them. And then I killed them again. They're dead, they're all dead! MWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!"
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Sunic_Flames on November 07, 2010, 06:29:43 PM
Oops, I forgot... this is maximized AND empowered, so the wind effects should be one category higher than max even.  You need to be colossal size in order to fly in this thing.  Man, this winter just sucks more and more. Constant, howling windstorm.  Seven+ feet of snow every day.  Lethal cold.  You be better off dying in the initial life-draining-entangle-cryo-burnination clusterfuck at the beginning!  Oh wait, that won't save you.  You'll just rise as a wight the next day- with no one alive to eat- and THEN you get to freeze to death! 

I take it back.  Having this thing undeadinate all its victims is awesome!  Cause then you get to kill everyone TWICE!  :clap

"Those fools. How dare they mock me. ME, the greatest necromancer who ever lived. They taunted me, called me names, bullied me and smacked me around. Well, I showed them. I showed them all. Those fools. Those stupid, stupid fools. I killed them. And then I killed them again. They're dead, they're all dead! MWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!"

Thread's over folks, nothing to see here. We have a winner.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: Bauglir on November 07, 2010, 09:58:18 PM
Oops, I forgot... this is maximized AND empowered, so the wind effects should be one category higher than max even.  You need to be colossal size in order to fly in this thing.  Man, this winter just sucks more and more. Constant, howling windstorm.  Seven+ feet of snow every day.  Lethal cold.  You be better off dying in the initial life-draining-entangle-cryo-burnination clusterfuck at the beginning!  Oh wait, that won't save you.  You'll just rise as a wight the next day- with no one alive to eat- and THEN you get to freeze to death! 

I take it back.  Having this thing undeadinate all its victims is awesome!  Cause then you get to kill everyone TWICE!  :clap

"Those fools. How dare they mock me. ME, the greatest necromancer who ever lived. They taunted me, called me names, bullied me and smacked me around. Well, I showed them. I showed them all. Those fools. Those stupid, stupid fools. I killed them. And then I killed them again. They're dead, they're all dead! MWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!"

Thread's over folks, nothing to see here. We have a winner.

Awww, but I wanted to see the winner.
Title: Re: A Fun way to say "Fuck You"
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 07, 2010, 10:01:30 PM
Oops, I forgot... this is maximized AND empowered, so the wind effects should be one category higher than max even.  You need to be colossal size in order to fly in this thing.  Man, this winter just sucks more and more. Constant, howling windstorm.  Seven+ feet of snow every day.  Lethal cold.  You be better off dying in the initial life-draining-entangle-cryo-burnination clusterfuck at the beginning!  Oh wait, that won't save you.  You'll just rise as a wight the next day- with no one alive to eat- and THEN you get to freeze to death! 

I take it back.  Having this thing undeadinate all its victims is awesome!  Cause then you get to kill everyone TWICE!  :clap

"Those fools. How dare they mock me. ME, the greatest necromancer who ever lived. They taunted me, called me names, bullied me and smacked me around. Well, I showed them. I showed them all. Those fools. Those stupid, stupid fools. I killed them. And then I killed them again. They're dead, they're all dead! MWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!"

Thread's over folks, nothing to see here. We have a winner.

Awww, but I wanted to see the winner.

It's a Human Necromancer with 4 Wis and 4 Cha who was tortured mercilessly as a child. He created the Wight Christmas, even the little song that went with it, and now capers gleefully, creating 2-3 year long winters at a time and capering through the snow singing Wight Christmas until it ends, then he moves to another community and does it all over again.

The moral of the story is, be kind to the odd kids you grow up with. You never know what they'll turn out to be. They just might bring about the Wightocalypse.