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The Thinktank => Min/Max It! => : Operation Shoestring November 08, 2009, 03:47:14 AM
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This is more about curiosity that anything, I know there are a few soulmelds that can give flight, but I want to hear about any other methods.
I was playing with the idea of using Balance on the Sky and a high ground movement, and then just doing a Wuxia "I run into the air" thing.
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I like the idea of using grafts for this purpose (maybe just because I like grafts and have yet to be able to convince a DM that both my character would want grafts and that they would be available)
While you couldn't get a graft after taking the vop, you could get the graft before taking it. Not sure if it would really be raw, but it makes sense, with vop you are giving up your possessions so that others may benefit, once it's been grafted to you, it isn't going to do anyone else any good if you remove it.
I long for the ability to get Feathered Wings ...
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Warlock's Fell Flight invocation, the Fly spell, and the Swift Fly spell come to mind.
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Warlock's Fell Flight invocation, the Fly spell, and the Swift Fly spell come to mind.
How do you get the fly spell with VOP and no casting?
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Sorry, didn't see that part.
Well, taking levels in Rainbow Servant gets you Wings, though that's a casting PrC. The wings don't have anything to do wtih casting, however.
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Animal devotion, IIRC.
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Animal devotion, IIRC.
Yep, it's only for 1 minute per use, and it's equivalent to overland flight (so it's fairly slow) but it does allow you to fly.
The other solution would be to use Handle Animal to raise a flying mount. It's not equipment, it's an ally! :)
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Hire someone to animate you a skeletal nightmare?
Or just buy borrow a nightseeker for (7k, so other party members could afford it easy) and do it yourself.
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Hrmm... While TML may have overlooked the VoP thing, trading services is 100%* legit, provided you receive no material wealth out of the deal...
I'm thinking you are a Necropolitan and you perform a service for someone in exchange for them spellstitching you, with one of the SLAs being a flight type spell.
*[spoiler]Hokay, 99.99%, since most services technically have a gp value that you would potentially be seen then as possessing.[/spoiler]
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Swordsage levels will do it if you have enough of them, and Swordsage is a great class for a VoP character anyway. Also, you could just start as a Raptorian or Air Mephling.
JaronK
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I don't know if this violates the no casting rule, but how about Leadership (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#leadership) + caster buffing you. Alternatively, Wild Cohort (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031118a) + plus large bird or for crazy awesome, a bear with the winged template.
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or for crazy awesome, an awakened bear with Wild Cohort that picks a shark with the winged template, which it rides, while dual wielding uzis, and wearing a bandana
Fixt. ;)
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Play a raptoran.
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So the order of ease for flight and really anything else important is:
1 casting (duh)
2 items
3 grafts
4 feats
5 templates
6 non-casting classes
7 race
Casting is the easiest because there are so many spells that grant stuffz, so its number 1. But you can only count as 1 race at a time (except for changelings with with racial emulation), so its the highest number.
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Play a Raptoran, Shifter (Swiftwing), Hengoyaki(any bird form), Air Mephling, any other race with wings (and flight).
Failing that, Swordsage has a couple manuvers that do so. There is also an Aberrant feat (Lords of Madness) that gives you wings, IIRC. Other than that, Animal Devotion works.
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Various classes such as Aglarondan Griffonlord will grant a flying mount as part of the class. Not sure if that one specifically works, but there ought to be some that do.
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Swordsage levels will do it if you have enough of them, and Swordsage is a great class for a VoP character anyway. Also, you could just start as a Raptorian or Air Mephling.
JaronK
are you talking about balance on the sky or other stuff as well?
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I have a bunch of methods listed in my "lists of stuff" page...
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I don't recall if this is kobold-only or available to anything with the dragonblood subtype, but there's a feat line in Races of the Dragon that lets one or the other get wings and eventually flight.
Wild Shape technically isn't spellcasting, but lets you turn into all kinds of cool critters. If you're a spelless Wild Shape variant Ranger, you don't even get casting with your Wild Shape.
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I don't recall if this is kobold-only or available to anything with the dragonblood subtype, but there's a feat line in Races of the Dragon that lets one or the other get wings and eventually flight.
It's dragonblood subtype.
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It's dragonblood subtype.
Ah, that's good; I may have to do that on a silverbrow human some time, then.
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It's dragonblood subtype.
Ah, that's good; I may have to do that on a silverbrow human some time, then.
Or just be a Dragonborn. And save, what, three feats? But I guess you're no longer human, so you only save two feats.
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It's dragonblood subtype.
Ah, that's good; I may have to do that on a silverbrow human some time, then.
Or just be a Dragonborn. And save, what, three feats? But I guess you're no longer human, so you only save two feats.
IIRC you lose the human bonus feat.
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IIRC you lose the human bonus feat.
Yeah, that's why you only 'lose 2' when you're actually spending 3.
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It only costs two feats to get a flight speed. Dragon Wings gives you the wings, and Improved Dragon Wings gives you the flight speed. It's only three feats if you spend a feat to get the Dragonblood subtype in the first place. A silverbrow human gets the bonus feat to begin with, and starts out with the Dragonblood subtype for free.
Dragonborn comes with some serious baggage that I just don't want to deal with... ever, really.
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Psionics will do it.
Hey, powers aren't spells.
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I'd just like to point out that this thread it such an archetype. Everyone brings up their most favored method.
And then I give such massively all-inclusive (but tangential) info that no one bothers with it :lol Seriously though, there are are tons of ways, it just depends on how much you are willing to sacrifice to get it.
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I'd just like to point out that this thread it such an archetype. Everyone brings up their most favored method.
And then I give such massively all-inclusive (but tangential) info that no one bothers with it :lol Seriously though, there are are tons of ways, it just depends on how much you are willing to sacrifice to get it.
hey, I did'r even bring up the ghost savage progtression