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Title: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: Toptomcat on November 15, 2010, 02:27:15 AM
I've got a character concept that would work best as some kind of very strange caster-type, and I want to reinforce that strangeness with its mechanics- have capabilities that will make the other players at the table go 'WTF just happened?' Not really looking for something off-the-hook broken here, nor comedy builds like the Sandwich Psion, just stuff people won't be familiar with. But my creativity is failing me- the best I can think of is shadowcaster.
We start at 5th level, or 4th level if we pick an option for gestalt (which will also slow XP progression). Gestalt characters also can't have any side of the gestalt go over tier 3 and can't have more than one side of the gestalt be a casting or martial initiating class. Ability scores use a high but random pick: more or less any source is available, including GITP homebrew and Dragon on approval. No LA buyoff.

I'm interpreting 'casting' extremely broadly here: psions, shadowcasters, binders, all that kind of thing counts. Individual sorc/wiz spells with strange effects might also work if I can find enough of them to build a decent spells known list out of.

It also helps my concept if the build is viable with warforged, elan, or other race that can be easily fluffed as being artificially created.
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 15, 2010, 02:46:55 AM
Chuck E. Cheese (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19861942/Chuck_E._Cheese) will definitely make people go 'wtf just happened' when they get thrown into the sun.
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: Sohala on November 15, 2010, 02:50:58 AM
Binder//Totemist sounds like it would have rather odd things hanging off of it.
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: The_Mad_Linguist on November 15, 2010, 03:03:53 AM
The mountebank form Dragon Compendium is weird.  Weak, but weird. 

It gets better if you remove the stupidly low per day limitations, but still isn't as good as a warlock (point it out to your DM - it's a reasonable houserule)
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: KellKheraptis on November 15, 2010, 03:21:38 AM
Cityscape has a way of dealing "city" damage...so kill your enemies with detritus off the city floor :P

"He hit me with a flaming garbage can...and then the god damn hobo next to it!"
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 15, 2010, 03:25:44 AM
"He hit me with a flaming garbage can...and then the god damn hobo next to it!"

...I want to sig this. It also brings the mental image of Oscar from Sesame Street going apeshit and revealing that he's actually a level 20 Wizard with a sanctum in his garbage can.
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: The_Mad_Linguist on November 15, 2010, 06:00:41 AM
"He hit me with a flaming garbage can...and then the god damn hobo next to it!"

...I want to sig this. It also brings the mental image of Oscar from Sesame Street going apeshit and revealing that he's actually a level 20 Wizard with a sanctum in his garbage can.
Sanctum nothing.  That's a living planar breach, and he's got a whole demiplane in there.
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: KellKheraptis on November 15, 2010, 09:35:20 AM
"He hit me with a flaming garbage can...and then the god damn hobo next to it!"

...I want to sig this. It also brings the mental image of Oscar from Sesame Street going apeshit and revealing that he's actually a level 20 Wizard with a sanctum in his garbage can.

Go right ahead, and ROFL TML, too funny!  Complete with Living Spell Template?  Or is he really an Eldritch Haunt?
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: The_Mad_Linguist on November 15, 2010, 09:46:12 AM
Demons: canon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Eat_the_Pictures_%28special%29) for Sesame Street.

Yes.  That's right.  Big Bird defeats a demon, tells off a god, and is an integral part of judging a soul for damnation.

Don't mess with the Bird.
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 15, 2010, 09:57:33 AM
Demons: canon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Eat_the_Pictures_%28special%29) for Sesame Street.

Yes.  That's right.  Big Bird defeats a demon, tells off a god, and is an integral part of judging a soul for damnation.

Don't mess with the Bird.

Video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZfR45tRtzQ) (other parts in sidebar).
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: skydragonknight on November 15, 2010, 10:12:52 AM
Some ideas:

Shadow-pouncing.

Ghost MotUS Telekinetic Full Attack.

Knowledge Devotion+Eager Weapon and Om Nomming them to death with Manyjaws (Spell Compendium).

Ordained Champion who uses Channel Spell to infuse a summoned Elysian Thrush with Death Throes, turning it into a bomb.

Dread Necromancer/Bard/Sublime Chord who uses Metamagic Wand of Chain to Chain Awaken Undead and Chain Protege to give his horde of zombies Bardic Music and Perform(breakdancing), followed by singing "Thriller."
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: InnaBinder on November 15, 2010, 10:23:42 AM
Factotum 18/Chameleon 2//Binder 4/Lurk 3/Totemist 3/Umbral Disciple 10.

Should get you at least one  :twitch
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: skydragonknight on November 15, 2010, 10:28:16 AM
Blood Magus Conjurer with Spell Thematics (Blood) to make all his summons look like they're made of blood.
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: KellKheraptis on November 15, 2010, 10:41:04 AM
Well it doesn't say WHERE an EB fires from...I'll let you get creative with that.  Also, farting out a swarm would get a pretty good WTF from the party.
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 15, 2010, 11:01:21 AM
Well it doesn't say WHERE an EB fires from...I'll let you get creative with that.  Also, farting out a swarm would get a pretty good WTF from the party.

It also doesn't say where a dragon's breath weapon emanates from.  :smirk
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: skydragonknight on November 15, 2010, 11:03:13 AM
Astral Constructs are fun since you can give them any shape you want. A Constructor could send out, for example, an army of Pokemon.
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: AndyJames on November 15, 2010, 11:07:41 AM
And here I was, thinking my Imp with levels in Warlock was original in the whole zappy tail thing... *sighs* I have a lot of pervert levels to go, it seems...
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: KellKheraptis on November 15, 2010, 11:50:10 AM
And here I was, thinking my Imp with levels in Warlock was original in the whole zappy tail thing... *sighs* I have a lot of pervert levels to go, it seems...

We won't even talk about the "alternative slots" for rings :P
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: RelentlessImp on November 15, 2010, 11:52:06 AM
And here I was, thinking my Imp with levels in Warlock was original in the whole zappy tail thing... *sighs* I have a lot of pervert levels to go, it seems...

We won't even talk about the "alternative slots" for rings :P

The Pierced Mystic does enough talking about that on his/her own.
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: The_Mad_Linguist on November 15, 2010, 01:56:24 PM
You could also be a were-murder-of-crows.  Turning into a swarm is weird.
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: Amechra on November 15, 2010, 07:44:07 PM
I see you're allowed GitP Homebrew...

So may I suggest Xenotheurgy?

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122103 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122103)
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: skydragonknight on November 15, 2010, 10:35:41 PM
I see you're allowed GitP Homebrew...

So may I suggest Xenotheurgy?

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122103 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122103)

The hidden text alone is win.
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: Bozwevial on November 15, 2010, 10:50:22 PM
I see you're allowed GitP Homebrew...

So may I suggest Xenotheurgy?

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122103 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122103)

The hidden text alone is win.
I missed the bit earlier about there being a small direct link to the Far Realms in the Xenotheurgist's brain. You know, that spiders can come through. :D
Title: Re: Weird Casting Builds
Post by: awaken DM golem on November 16, 2010, 10:07:29 PM
Lurk 4 / Bloodline 3 / Uncanny Trickster 2 / Legacy Champion 2 and the Lurk feat that bumps it 2 levels.

Pick the Mind's Eye variant that gets the 9th level Divination as an (sp).
When you have it, you can use few Expanded Knowledge feats to pick higher than normal powers.
Then you make an Item of the Div.
Then you get a couple of Powerstones made of the powers you EK'd. (good luck on this step)
Then you use the Powerstones as a ridiculously expensive Material component, for the "casting".

Great Div 9, weird early 6s or 7s or 8s. And you're broke.
But you get those also weird Lurk goodies.
You could throw in a recharge set-up, and not ruin your home game.
And you still have 9 levels to twink the build.