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Playtime! => Play by Post General => : vilenatas August 24, 2011, 01:41:29 AM
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This would be my own (and possibly with some help if someone has a good suggestion) update of the temple of elemental evil to 3.5 set in Midkemia (the world of Raymond Feist). I currently have the module updated to around Nulb, so a lot left, and have modified the plotline along the way to fit my image of Midkemia and the Temple, but there is still a lot of work, so I am only getting an interest check with this post.
Let me know if you would like to play, or if you would be interested in helping to generate content.
Thanks for looking.
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Sounds interesting, although I never played the computer adaptation of this. I'm always up for a Gygaxian dungeon crawl.
So posting interest as a player, depending on the expected power level of players, as I'm not much interested in playing a Tier 1 or 2 class.
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I'm down! No idea what the hell the details are, as none of those names mean a THING to me, but you got me at "Temple of Elemental Evil." Frankly, that's all you had to say.
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I'm also interested in this as a player. Prefer tier 1 or 2 power-wise but I can handle anything that's not tier 4 and below
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Interest? Check!
I'm perfectly comfortable with any tier people will go for. Slight preference for 3rd though.
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Would we be starting at 1st level? I'm interested, and would slightly prefer tier 2 and below, but at the low levels it hardly matters, anyway... I'd probably play a binder/martial adept. I have never played this module nor read any of Feist's books, though, if that's a downside...
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I'm interested as either a Rogue/Swashbuckler Half-Minotaur (A character similar to one I'm already playing in another PbP). A Factotum/Warblade. Or one of the Classlist Casters (probably dread necromancer).
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If we're playing tier 3 I'd probably go either Dread Necro, Totemist, Swordsage or Talashtora Psiwar or Ardent.
For tier 1/2 it would probably be cleric or druid.
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Never read those books you mentioned but if you need a player i'd love to try PbP.
The tier is not a problem, I can easily adapt and there's a lot of PC I'd like to play.
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I'd be interested as well assuming its 3.5. I litterally have no idea what the other stuff means.
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Are we dead set on 3.5, how about Pathfinder?
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I'd rather play 3.5, but if the others prefer pathfinder I'd back out and wait for a 3.5 campaign.
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I don't own any pathfinder. Regardless this should not affect the choice at all.
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My current rules list, although I am modifying it as I find new things I like, is a bit of a Pathfinder/3.5 cross.
Current rules list planned for the game (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ucKtmWozxZEps34nFl6Gypj5yOBOxmw3vKnlo5mU3-0/edit?hl=en_US&authkey=CLLg-Hk)
I'm open to suggested changes to these rules, and any questions that will help to tighten up the wording (I know what I mean, but it may not be obvious to you).
Also if anyone is interested in just helping with NPC conversion or strange monster conversions let me know.
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I'm in.
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I'd be interested, I'm fine with 3.5 but just perfer Pathfinder(It's way better imo). But I'm more of the opinion of playing a class you think will be fun rather than worrying about what tier blahblahblah that class may or may not be in.
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I'll possibly have something up in 24 hours or so.
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I'll possibly have something up in 24 hours or so.
Way ahead of me at this point, but I would like anyone interested to look at the rules and see if they are clear enough. I essentially want to make it fairly easy for you to create the character that you want.
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As for character I've no specfic ideas yet, but then again I'm one of those players that's usually cool with filling a party role gap.
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I actually just got the book of nine swords as well as magic of incarnate so I was thinking a DMM ruby knight.
Assuming thats ok with everyone.=D
please note that my usual character ideas are well below tier 3 so if everyone is planning on less optimization they should let me know.
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I'm thinking of a non-magic character, a changeling gestalted Rogue/Ranger // ???, focusing as an assassin who uses telling blow to deadly effect. The rogue side would have the changeling sub levels, and I'm still trying to nail down my exact build for that side.
I could have sworn there was a ranger/rogue gestalt feat, like swift hunter..... am I hallucinating? If I am, could one be homebrewed, replacing the skirmish prereq and progression with sneak attack? I'm sure there is one though...
Debating hard for the second side... just need to find a < tier 3 class that fits the roguish warrior thing. But that's the idea so far. Very skilled, very well trained warrior/striker. I might reforge my namesake character with the other side being a glaivelock of some sort........
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If you are going to gestalt then you can use 1 tier 3 class as long as it doesn't end up getting 9's. So you could have a tob class or factotum or something like that on the other side as well.
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If you are going to gestalt then you can use 1 tier 3 class as long as it doesn't end up getting 9's. So you could have a tob class or factotum or something like that on the other side as well.
Like the Partial Gestalt system from the Tier Systems thread?
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I for one will only really be doing basic optimization, certainly nothing silly like a 5+ class build with multiple 1 to 3 levels dips.
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I for one will only really be doing basic optimization, certainly nothing silly like a 5+ class build with multiple 1 to 3 levels dips.
Same here. Once I know what theme each side will have, I'm sticking to it. Simplicity is nice.
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So until now we have :
-DMM RKV (mthor)
-Rogue/Ranger gestalt (Flay Crimsonwind)
-rest undecided
Correct?
I'd like to do any of the following:
-Dreamsight shifter druid/moonspeaker (primary divine caster)
-Warblade/bard/sublime chord (party face and secondary arcane)
-Kobold Cloistered Cleric (skill monkey and primary divine caster)
If any of the above are too powerful or if another role needs filling, I have absolutely no problem with doing that.
What do you guys think?
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I for one will only really be doing basic optimization, certainly nothing silly like a 5+ class build with multiple 1 to 3 levels dips.
Same here. Once I know what theme each side will have, I'm sticking to it. Simplicity is nice.
Same goes for me.
I'd like to go for either a Factotum* or a Dragonfire Bard.
*No IF, that book is too exotic to my taste
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Having JUST learned what Temple of Elemental Evil is, I'd like to clear up whether or not we're similarly expected to be of similar moral ground. Because this character miiiiiiiight need all his skills to fit in with a LG group...
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Still interested in Warblade, Factotum, Classlist caster or Feat Rogue/Swashbuckler build that abuses the wording on Daring outlaw to become viable.
My Factotum will probably be using IF if allowed, I've never seen that as particularly overpowered anyway. He will probably be going with a samurai theme.
Alternatively, I'm thinking of making a Divine Minion into Master of Many Forms. A wildshaping character so to speak. This could be regarded as rather high tier 3 though. Or even an Exotic Weapon Master with a Large Kusari-Gama, Uncanny Blow and Trip attack, if dragon magazine is allowed he'll probably start as an exoticist fighter.
So still pretty much up for filling whatever party role is needed. Depending on the power level required.
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I've never played gestalt before and seeing as there's already enough players, I'm backing out.
Have a good one guys!
:)
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I'm a little uneasy with Gesalt so I might be going with one of the top three or a sorcerer.
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I've never played gestalt before and seeing as there's already enough players, I'm backing out.
Have a good one guys!
:)
Not so fast! Flay's words are being misinterpreted. He never said anything about going gestalt, he was just talking about feats like Swift Hunter, Daring Outlaw etc. that give some gestaltish features, stacking one class ability from both of the assigned classes. Daring Outlaw, Swift Hunter and Devoted Performer are examples of these feats.
I'd be just as disinterested in going gestalt as you.
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I've never played gestalt before and seeing as there's already enough players, I'm backing out.
Have a good one guys!
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Not so fast! Flay's words are being misinterpreted. He never said anything about going gestalt, he was just talking about feats like Swift Hunter, Daring Outlaw etc. that give some gestaltish features, stacking one class ability from both of the assigned classes. Daring Outlaw, Swift Hunter and Devoted Performer are examples of these feats.
I'd be just as disinterested in going gestalt as you.
Uh, looks like I misunderstood that part of the rules. :lmao
I guess I'll wait to see what the others want to play and then, if we're not too many PCs, I'll go for the missing option in the party.
My favourite option at the moment would be Kobold Rogue -> Rogue/Wizard -> Rogue/Wizard/Unseen Seer, but there's really a lot of PCs I'd like to try so...
:D
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You don't have to gestalt. You can if you are not going to play a caster that gets access to level 9 spells. I'm trying to give players who want to play a non-caster the ability to move up a tier by grabbing another classes abilities to add versatility. I know that many of you don't need this to optimize well, but it should be easier to optimize your themes.
Something basic like bard on one side and paladin on the other is possible(to keep things simple), but if you plan to use sublime chord to cap the character would not be able to gestalt at all.
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I'll probably go binder//martial adept mash (starting out with crusader), as I've been working on another character like that and am not sure if I'll even get to play it. So I'll be able to cover scouting (via Malphus' bird) and a bit of healing (crusader).
Edit: Hmm... binder is rated as tier 2 with online vestiges and tier 3 without. Does that mean I can't gestalt binder and a martial adept? Even without online vestige access? I'll probably pick either crusader or binder and gestalt it with warlock or rogue, then.
Edit2: This is a bit unclear:
Feats are gained at every odd level as well as those gained on even levels from normal progression.
What do you mean every even level? Is that the PF progression or something? Feats are normally gained at levels divisible by 3, plus 1st.
Edit 3: What tier would you rate a psychic rogue at? Could I gestalt that with a Tier 3?
And is Trapfinding unchanged? Or can anyone with a high enough Perception check find traps?
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Btw, are flaws/traits allowed?
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Looks like you have plenty of interest already but have to admit that this looks very promising in the fun department. Reading the rules you certainly are encouraging capable characters and make it easy to build just about any theme a player would want. Kudos.
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Is there another Tier system resource? The "main" thread by JaronK only gave a few examples for each tier. Yet some have talked like there is a complete list, or am I just mis-reading meaning and making assumptions? ???
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Psychic rogue looks essentially like a psychic warrior but as a rogue. Psychic warrior is tier 3, but if you feel strongly that the rogue is a tier below the warrior I will listen to arguments.
Feats are gained at 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 11th, 12th, 15th, 17th, 18th and 19th.
I'm keeping trapfinding the same.
Flaws and traits are aloud. Try to make them something that you can rp as you are already getting 5 extra feats to work with.
Currently interested people are (and correct me if I'm wrong):
ShadowViper
PhaedrusXY
LordBlades
DrHorrible
Mixster
Flay Crimsonwind
mthor
Hallack (I'm guessing)
The tier system I'm looking at is the thread by JaronK, but it doesn't have all classes, so if you have a question about tier just post the class and the tier you are thinking and we can decide from there.
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My Character (WIP) (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=325117)
[spoiler]Steelhead Trapspringer
desert dwarf (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/environmentalRacialVariants.htm#desertDwarves) mineral warrior spellthief (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20050107a) 1//crusader 1
Feats: Combat Reflexes, Hidden Talent (haven't chosen what power yet), 1 flaw
Stance: Martial Spirit
Manuevers:
Crusader's Strike (DS1, heal ally for 1d6+IL)
Vanguard Strike (DS1, no prereq, std, if strike hits allies gain +4 (unnamed) to attack target till next turn)
Leading the Attack (WR1, if strike hits allies gain +4 morale to attack target till next turn)
Bolstering Voice (DS1 allies gain +2 to will, +4 vs. fear)
Charging Minotaur (SD1 charging bull rush ignores AoOs)
Stats
Str 22 (18+2tweak+2template)
Dex 13 (15-2race)
Con 23 (17+2race+4template)
Int 11 (13-2template)
Wis 4 (8-2template-2tweak) (no Allips, please! :P )
Cha 14 (16-2template)
Skills: Max out Thievery, Acrobatics, Athletics, Stealth, Perception, not sure of others yet
Other: UMD (level + Cha), DR 8/adamantine, burrow speed 10', +3 NA, 1x day smite (+Con to hit), Earth subtype, +1d6 SA, Steal Spell (1st), Trapfinding, +2 Fort and Will saves[/spoiler]
And can I suggest that we all have darkvision, so we don't have to carry a light source and make ourselves a big target? :P
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[spoiler]Steelhead Trapspringer
desert dwarf (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/environmentalRacialVariants.htm#desertDwarves) mineral warrior spellthief (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20050107a) 1//binder 1
Feats: Improved Binding, Hidden Talent (haven't chosen what power yet), 1 flaw
Vestige bound most of the time: Dahlver Nar
Stats
Str 22 (18+2tweak+2template)
Dex 13 (15-2race)
Con 23 (17+2race+4template)
Int 12 (16-2template-2tweak)
Wis 6 (8-2template)
Cha 11 (13-2template)
Skills: Max out Thievery, Acrobatics, Athletics, Stealth, Perception, not sure of others yet
Other: UMD (level + Dex), DR 8/adamantine, burrow speed 10', +3 NA, 1x day smite (+Con to hit), Earth subtype, +1d6 SA, Steal Spell (1st), Trapfinding, +2 Fort and Will saves
Buy a bunch of dogs, put shield self on one when out of combat. Change to enemy in combat. +6 NA is nice, and I can use the dogs to set off traps, too, if necessary.
Cons: No healing, lose crusader goodies like Delayed Damage pool, etc. I think I'll wait and take binder at 2nd...[/spoiler]
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All right I my PC is known as Arthur Blackdragon (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=324162). I posted it like this so if anyone wants to they can see how it is currently comeing along they can check. I have 3 questions though and after that I should be able to leave our good DM in peace.
1: Can I persist Touch spells?
2: Can I persist cloud of knives Phb2 (It's range is personal but it give you 1 ranged attack per round as a free action)
3: Starting wealth is by WBL?
Also I am assuming that skills like stealth will straight up replace their conterparts for prerequisits and such.
Notes: Still need to work on skills, possesions and such.
skills: cross class max Stealth and Intimidate
max Knowledge:religion
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All right I my PC is known as Arthur Blackdragon (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=324162). I posted it like this so if anyone wants to they can see how it is currently comeing along they can check. I have 3 questions though and after that I should be able to leave our good DM in peace.
1: Can I persist Touch spells?
2: Can I persist cloud of knives Phb2 (It's range is personal but it give you 1 ranged attack per round as a free action)
3: Starting wealth is by WBL?
Also I am assuming that skills like stealth will straight up replace their conterparts for prerequisits and such.
Notes: Still need to work on skills, possesions and such.
skills: cross class max Stealth and Intimidate
max Knowledge:religion
1. I use fixed ranged as meaning spells like prayer, but not touch spells, so no to persisting touch spells.
2. Yes.
3. Starting wealth is maximum for your chosen class at 1st level.
Yes, skills replace their counterparts for pre-reqs.
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Thanks
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Currently interested people are (and correct me if I'm wrong):
ShadowViper
PhaedrusXY
LordBlades
DrHorrible
Mixster
Flay Crimsonwind
mthor
Hallack (I'm guessing)
Well, I was interested too, but seeing the sudden change in powerlevel, I'm backing out. Thanks though.
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ATM I'm pretty certain Ill play one of the following(both summoning focused):
-druid/moonspeaker
-wizard or archivist (undecided yet)/malconvoker
I'd rather play the druid, but we have no arcanist and I don't mind playing one (archivist can double as an arcanist easily via domains, Southern Magician and Alternate Spell Source).
Couple of questions:
-Do you allow Dragon material? Namely Easy Metamagic, which I want to use in conjunction with Rapid Spell for standard action summons on Druid/Archivist (wizard can already get that via ACF)
-If I use Ashbound on the druid, do you mind if I refluff it? I like the feat, and have no problem for it to come with some attached fluff but 'my summons are stronger because I hate arcane casters' is just stupid IMO.
-Are you OK with Greenbound Summoning and/or Rahsemi elemental Summoning? If yes, which Greenbound variant do you prefer: the printed one, or the one intended by the author (+2 metamagic)?
-A class that has only part of the skills that got condensed into one as class skills, does it get the condensed skill as class skills?
-At which levels are exactly feats gained? Do we get the normal progression (1,3,6,9 etc) and then one extra feat at levels 1,3,5,7 etc?
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At the moment my choice hangs between the following:
- Kobold Warlock
- Kobold Dragonfire Adept
- Kobold Bard
- Water Orc Barbarian//Totemist
What would you say is the one we need the most at the moment?
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At the moment my choice hangs between the following:
- Kobold Warlock
- Kobold Dragonfire Adept
- Kobold Bard
- Water Orc Barbarian//Totemist
What would you say is the one we need the most at the moment?
I'd say a DFI bard would be most beneficial as so far we have 2 melee and 1 summoner (me).
PS: @PhaedrusXY: if everyone agrees, I'm up for the everyone gets darkivision idea.
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Currently interested people are (and correct me if I'm wrong):
ShadowViper
PhaedrusXY
LordBlades
DrHorrible
Mixster
Flay Crimsonwind
mthor
Hallack (I'm guessing)
Well, I was interested too, but seeing the sudden change in powerlevel, I'm backing out. Thanks though.
Sorry. I read that as you having already decided to drop it.
Feats are gained at: 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 17th, 18th and 19th (I missed 13th the first time).
Easy Metamagic is fine. Dragon material is not blanket allowed, but a lot of it is, so just ask.
Greenbound is the +2 metamagic.
Ashbound can be refluffed.
If your class has only one of the class skills that were condensed you get the new class skill. So if you only had listen before, you now get perception.
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Thanks for the answer. So we're not getting two feats at the levels where normal feat progression overlaps with your 'every odd level' progression? (that is 1, 3, 9 and 15), correct?
So, what do you guys think we need more? Driud, archivist or wizard?
@vilenatas: You have a problem with archivists gaining normally arcane spells via Southern Magician and/or Alternate Spell Source?
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Ehm... Would it be okay then if i go for a Bard//DFA? Or is it too much?
It wouldn't be a problem going Bard solo.
Thanks for the answer. So we're not getting two feats at the levels where normal feat progression overlaps with your 'every odd level' progression? (that is 1, 3, 9 and 15), correct?
So, what do you guys think we need more? Driud, archivist or wizard?
@vilenatas: You have a problem with archivists gaining normally arcane spells via Southern Magician and/or Alternate Spell Source?
I don't know the adventure, but sounds like a long dungeon crawl, so maybe the environment won't be that Druid friendly. That said, they're 3 top tier spellcasting options so, power speaking, there's no wrong choice.
Just go for the one that you like the most, I guess.
At least IMO.
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Ehm... Would it be okay then if i go for a Bard//DFA? Or is it too much?
It wouldn't be a problem going Bard solo.
AFAIK(if I understood Vilenatas's rules right) since they're both tier 3 classes without 9th level spells you can gestalt Bard/DFA unless you plan on going Sublime Chord.
I don't know the adventure, but sounds like a long dungeon crawl, so maybe the environment won't be that Druid friendly. That said, they're 3 top tier spellcasting options so, power speaking, there's no wrong choice.
Just go for the one that you like the most, I guess.
At least IMO.
I like all 3 of them, but you are right. I've only played the computer RPG a long time ago, but IIRC post of it is a long dungeon crawl in a temple. So yeah, many druids spells/abilities will go unused. Then archivist or wizard(focused specialist conjurer) is the better option probably.
Another question for Vilenatas: what's the equivalent of Bahamut in Midkemia, especially for the purpose of creating Dragonborn?
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Ehm... Would it be okay then if i go for a Bard//DFA? Or is it too much?
It wouldn't be a problem going Bard solo.
AFAIK(if I understood Vilenatas's rules right) since they're both tier 3 classes without 9th level spells you can gestalt Bard/DFA unless you plan on going Sublime Chord.
As I understood it, only one of them can be Tier 3. The other has to be 4 or lower.
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Anyone knows where's the damn starting wealth for archivist? :blush Ran through the book like 3 times and can't find it.
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Ehm... Would it be okay then if i go for a Bard//DFA? Or is it too much?
It wouldn't be a problem going Bard solo.
AFAIK(if I understood Vilenatas's rules right) since they're both tier 3 classes without 9th level spells you can gestalt Bard/DFA unless you plan on going Sublime Chord.
As I understood it, only one of them can be Tier 3. The other has to be 4 or lower.
I guess I could go for a Bard//Warlock, then.
Weighting my options. It's between that and Kobold Dragonfire Adept.
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Yay, I'll put together a character. :)
Let me go get an idea for what others are playing.
I'm considering a Beguiler or maybe even and Archer (swifthunter build) among others. Swiftblade always appeals to me as well hehe.
Let's see. Beguiler tier 3 but with 9's so no Gestalt there as per the posted rules correct?
Edit: Okay, if needed I'm willing to play more of a meleer as well.
I'm generally okay with and can fun with various rolls if you guys think there is any particulars that are needed.
Edit #2: Taking prestige classes that would cost enough Caster Levels to deny 9's. Would doing such allow for gestalting? I figure not but worth checking.
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Another question for Vilenatas: what's the equivalent of Bahamut in Midkemia, especially for the purpose of creating Dragonborn?
He said all deitys are available. Thus the Big B's replacement would be....... Bahamut.
Edit: Okay, if needed I'm willing to play more of a meleer as well.
A Swiftblade can be a pretty good meleer just as its face. Since we are getting so many feats you could go jade phoneix mage afterward or even just go for shadow blade if you want to be conpletely dex focused to avoid MAD. so what I guess I am saying is don't mess with you build for us =).
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I'm not going to be around a computer much this weekend but will try to check in sometime to see about the various questions posted and what other players are settling upon.
Cheers
Edit: I'm really looking at a Beguiler based Swiftblade. Yeah, not the most powerful route but I think I'll end up with some fun interesting fluff around the base.
I've some specific questions though. :)
1) If I'm going Beguiler/Swiftblade and actually taking the CL hits can I gestalt into Tier 5 classes like Monk or Swashbuckler? Such gestalt would be for BAB and perhaps some bonus Feat synergies.
2) Can Beguiler get the same 0 level treatment for the 3,5,7,9, etc.. levels as does sorcerer?
3) Am I allowed to use Versitile Spellcaster + Hieghten Trick to get early? If so I could enter Swiftblade as Early as 5th level assuming I am allowed to Gestalt Tier 5 classes for the BaB.
I'm looking to do up a Catfolk Beguiler/swiftblade based on the above though I admit a Whisper gnome has crossed my mind as well. I'm looking to make a sodid powerful (and hopefully flavorful) character without going crazy.
Cheers.
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And can I suggest that we all have darkvision, so we don't have to carry a light source and make ourselves a big target? :P
Got a character build, haven't been home more than four hours in the past few days, only on now to post in my games. I'll post the charrie sometime Sunday, saturday only if I'm lucky.
And I'll work on giving it Darkvision, ass! :fu
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Why not just use Pathfinder feat progression and skills? I think everyone is more used to them and they're more easily remembered rather than having to reference a house-rule sheet all the time. Just a suggestion.
And still no further on character ideas.
Edit: And what about using Pathfinder classes?
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Edit: And what about using Pathfinder classes?
You mean using the new classes in Pathfinder in addition to everything in 3.5, or also use the Pathfinder conversion of the classes that exist in both systems ?
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Originally just meant the new ones(Advanced Player's Guide and Ulimate Magic)...but hey now that you mention it, let's go with both! :D
Edit: And what about Pathfinder races?
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I'd rather go with 3.5 classes when available
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Just on for second to let everyone know I'm still here (work was extremely long yesterday). I'll post answers to the questions when I get back from work today.
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I'd rather go with 3.5 classes when available
Could always make it an option, player's choice kinda thing. 3.5 class or 3.P class as up to them. Just a suggestion.
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1) If I'm going Beguiler/Swiftblade and actually taking the CL hits can I gestalt into Tier 5 classes like Monk or Swashbuckler? Such gestalt would be for BAB and perhaps some bonus Feat synergies.
2) Can Beguiler get the same 0 level treatment for the 3,5,7,9, etc.. levels as does sorcerer?
3) Am I allowed to use Versitile Spellcaster + Hieghten Trick to get early? If so I could enter Swiftblade as Early as 5th level assuming I am allowed to Gestalt Tier 5 classes for the BaB.
I'm hesitant on this one, just because it starts to feel like a slippery slope, PM me a sample build and I'll think about it.
Yes.
Versatile + Heighten is fine.
As for pathfinder, I don't really want to be continuing with the conversion while also getting comfortable with running two systems. I've only built one pathfinder character (and made two rolls with it) so I'm not really that familiar with the changes or the classes or skills. My skills changes are based more on 4th than on pathfinder as I'm actually more familiar with 4th than pathfinder. As for races I don't need the added complexity of wondering which race p or 3.5 we are talking about.
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Would a hobgoblin sorcerer be possible(I know we're starting at level 1)?
Other ideas I'm having are, a Huamn Druid(jungle focused with a fleshraker companion eventually).
A Gnome illusionist going into Shadowcraft Mage
And a Dread Necromancer, probably human.
Edit: And...maybe a Changeling Unseen Seer
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To give a premise of the situation as the game starts that might help people make decisions about their characters, here is the sort of opening story hook:
You are in Crydee when the game begins. You have very little money to your name having only recently arrived upon hearing that the Duke's interest in employing a small group of adventurers to keep an eye on that land around his kingdom. Normally this task is handled by the Rangers of Crydee, but due to the massive losses in the recent Riftwar, and the recent discovery that Martin, once a Ranger of Crydee was in fact an illegitimate son of the former Duke legitimized just before his death and then placed as Duke of Crydee the Rangers have been decimated. Martin isn't looking only for a group of scouts, but men and women of skill that can handle themselves in any situation, and you have come believing that your skills will serve.
You have presented your case, and been given the task of exploring a nearby stronghold for signs of activity. Once upon a time this was a stronghold for the moredhel(evil elves but not drow), and later was again used by other forces seeking power by wielding the dark forces, and ever since then the Duke's of Crydee have tried to keep a watchful eye on the area. The war that spanned the last 10 years has caused this vigilance to wane, and the Duke believes that it is best this practice be renewed with the end of the Riftwar. You will be paid as mercenaries of your level would be paid and be considered constantly employed by the Duke until such time as your services are no longer needed. You will not be wearing the Duke's colors, and will not to directly privy to the use of his name for special treatment.
Great service to the realm has been known to result in great promotion. Several commoners were elevated to earldoms after their service was noted during the Riftwar, and should your service prove particularly beneficial to the Duke of Crydee it would certainly be possible to achieve a stipend of land and a title to go with it. The western part of the realm is mostly wild, and thus much of the terrain is still uninhabited and ready to be claimed and put to use for the Kingdom.
Crydee is very near(and kind of engulfed in) a heavily forested area that is mostly coniferous forest with some deciduous trees mixed in. It also has a small and not heavily used harbor.
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Sounds awesome so far, now I'm thinking along the lines of an Elven druid, ranger or scout. Might even do a swift hunter(but I think someone already claimed one).
Though still hanging on to my Dread Necro, Gnome Illusionist and perhaps the Changeling Unseen Seer.
My idea for the Hobgoblin would've been that he'd be a visitor from another world/different reality. And guessing that's not going to work all that well.
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This is perfect for my character. I'll have it online tomorrow, early monday. The gist is a melee striker, developing into a crit-monkey making use of sneak attack with telling blow. He'll have a few tricks though, don't worry. :P
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@vilenatas: You have a problem with archivists gaining normally arcane spells by scribing a scroll from a friendly spellcaster (as in archivist provides Scribe Scroll and XP, other caster provides the spell) that has turned it divine via Southern Magician and/or Alternate Spell Source?
Bumping this since it's important for my char.
Also, can I use cleric starting wealth? I can seem to find the starting wealth for Archivist in HoH?
This (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=324266) is my char sheet (still WIP, needs gear and spells).
This is what I have in mind background-wise(still a pretty rough draft):
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Beorn is a low-rank priest in the church of Bahamut (please say if any other god is more appropriate) and due to his innate lust for knowledge, he usually travels as a scout, seeking places where evil lurks, and either tries to root it out himself or notify the church when evil turns out to be too strong. He has arrived in Crydee in order to investigate the stronghold, and upon finding out that the duke wants the same thing, he has offered his services.
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Is that okay with you?
@ShadowViper: think what we need more would be either the Hobgoblin Sorc or the Gnome illusionist as we have no arcane caster AFAIk, but in the end anything will work just fine probably ;)
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Right now I'm leaning heavily toward Unseen Seer, but he'd start out with a couple of levels of Rogue most likely.
As for Hobgoblin Sorcerer, not sure how a 1 LA race would work out at level 1. If we were using Pathfinder races it wouldn't be a problem as the Hobgoblin is the same power level as the Core Book races.
Edit. Think I've narrowed it down to either Changeling Seer or Gnome SCM. For the Hob I was mainly planning draconic background focusing on blasting with lightning.
Edit 2: And...the Changeling might actually turn into a Human.
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@vilenatas: You have a problem with archivists gaining normally arcane spells by scribing a scroll from a friendly spellcaster (as in archivist provides Scribe Scroll and XP, other caster provides the spell) that has turned it divine via Southern Magician and/or Alternate Spell Source?
Bumping this since it's important for my char.
Also, can I use cleric starting wealth? I can seem to find the starting wealth for Archivist in HoH?
This (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=324266) is my char sheet (still WIP, needs gear and spells).
This is what I have in mind background-wise(still a pretty rough draft):
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Beorn is a low-rank priest in the church of Bahamut (please say if any other god is more appropriate) and due to his innate lust for knowledge, he usually travels as a scout, seeking places where evil lurks, and either tries to root it out himself or notify the church when evil turns out to be too strong. He has arrived in Crydee in order to investigate the stronghold, and upon finding out that the duke wants the same thing, he has offered his services.
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Is that okay with you?
@ShadowViper: think what we need more would be either the Hobgoblin Sorc or the Gnome illusionist as we have no arcane caster AFAIk, but in the end anything will work just fine probably ;)
You will be able to run across characters with these feats from time to time, what spells in particular are you interested in tracking down? Cleric starting wealth works fine.
Shadowviper, if you want to use a race with LA, you start as a first level character taking a -1 to everything (skills, saves etc, including spell dcs and caster level (min caster level 1)) for each point of LA you have. When you gain a level you instead reduce the penalty by 1. You can of course eventually buy off the LA.
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Ok, so the builds I'm working on atm are either a Divine Minion, Rogue-ish Master of Many Forms, or a Half-Minotaur (Or something else if that is not allowed) Warblade/Factotum//Rogue/Swashbuckler.
1. Level adjustment, are they one side or both side of Gestalt if I'm not touching the full casters with an 11 foot pole?
2. Half-Minotaur from Dragon Magazine 313 allowed? (Basically a LA 1 template that makes you large and gives you loads of strength but hits your Cha and your Int)
3. Divine Minion from http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20050209a Is that allowed?
4. Exoticist Fighter from Dragon 310 (Smaller feat list, but gets 4 exotic weapons instead of martial weapon profiencies).
5. Feat Rogue + Swashbuckler + Daring Outlaw combo, does it work? So I get feats from feat rogue, but Sneak attack for the total of the levels anyway?
If everything is a yes, I'll probably go with the warblade/Factotum//Swashbuckler/Rogue Build. Skill Points and feats galore makes for a decent all-right non-magician.
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For the gnome I'm thinking Illusionist/Shadow Adept/Shadowcraft Mage.
The Human will most likely be Rogue/Diviner/Unseen Seer/???
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Ok, so the builds I'm working on atm are either a Divine Minion, Rogue-ish Master of Many Forms, or a Half-Minotaur (Or something else if that is not allowed) Warblade/Factotum//Rogue/Swashbuckler.
1. Level adjustment, are they one side or both side of Gestalt if I'm not touching the full casters with an 11 foot pole?
2. Half-Minotaur from Dragon Magazine 313 allowed? (Basically a LA 1 template that makes you large and gives you loads of strength but hits your Cha and your Int)
3. Divine Minion from http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20050209a Is that allowed?
4. Exoticist Fighter from Dragon 310 (Smaller feat list, but gets 4 exotic weapons instead of martial weapon profiencies).
5. Feat Rogue + Swashbuckler + Daring Outlaw combo, does it work? So I get feats from feat rogue, but Sneak attack for the total of the levels anyway?
If everything is a yes, I'll probably go with the warblade/Factotum//Swashbuckler/Rogue Build. Skill Points and feats galore makes for a decent all-right non-magician.
1. You can take the LA on one side of gestalt to start and then buy it off if you want (or not if you don't want).
2. Half Minotaur is ok, but you will assuredly be unwelcome in Crydee proper and start off without mercenary pay as the Duke will not immediately trust you (and as there are no minotaurs native to the Midkemia setting you will have had to accidentally wander through a portal or used the hall of worlds to get to Midkemia).
3. Divine minion is fine, and works to enter MOMF. You can be native to Midkemia, with a god from another world who is attempting to influence Midkemia, or from another world and having traveled through a portal/hall of worlds to reach Midkemia by accident. As the game starts you will not know how you reached Midkemia, but if you traveled the hall of worlds will have some unpleasant memories of the experience(it is extremely dangerous).
4. Exoticist fighter is also fine.
5. So you are going to use feat rogue to get feats. Where do you get sneak attack to take daring outlaw, or are you looking at the variant as an ACF that comes up every time you get Sneak Attack. I see it as a choice at first level, you either take feats for Sneak Attack or stick with Sneak Attack for the rest of your career. On the other hand I don't see it as totally broken to choose (and you could always dip SA fighter or swordsage or any other sneak attack class for entry). I'm going to tentatively allow it unless other players have something to say about this.
ShadowViper-I will allow Unseen Seer to grant sneak attack dice if you don't have them to begin with in case you want to use an alternate entry but still get sneak attack progression.
For Shadowcraft Mage you can wave the racial requirements as per the alternate style. Just give me a bit of an explanation as to what the cabal of illusionists or whatever you are a part of (this could easily be an offshoot of Shar's Shadow Adepts from Faerun which could prove interesting from a rp perspective considering your motives for your actions against the temple).
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5. So you are going to use feat rogue to get feats. Where do you get sneak attack to take daring outlaw, or are you looking at the variant as an ACF that comes up every time you get Sneak Attack. I see it as a choice at first level, you either take feats for Sneak Attack or stick with Sneak Attack for the rest of your career. On the other hand I don't see it as totally broken to choose (and you could always dip SA fighter or swordsage or any other sneak attack class for entry). I'm going to tentatively allow it unless other players have something to say about this.
My initial plan was to grab one level of the Avenger PrC (or some other PrC granting sneak attack), and one level of sneak attack Exoticist Hit-And-Run Fighter. So I get 2d6 Sneak attack and use them to get the feat. It's a cheesy reading, but it works RAW and I've never seen it as particularly overpowered, it's just a cool way of making the rogue a solid tier 3 class.
This (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=324904) is my character build, which is very much a WiP, since I still haven't settled on whether to do MoMF or Half-Minotaur approach yet.
If I start with MoMF, (Which I can only do if you allow me to choose feats before class even though that isn't RAW or find a race that grants the feats as bonus feats), I guess I'll be using druid starting gold?
For roleplaying reasons, I'll probably go with the MoMF build though, as I would like him to be from Midkemia, but just a guy who randomly discovered his powers, because some distant god is attempting to influence him. Then he kindda works as a sell-sword. EDIT: I'm ofc assuming that you aren't allowing the divine minion the silly reading of his wild shape were he pretty much can heal as a free action (since he changes form as a free action, at will, and would technically regain HP from it, I just assume that wild minions don't regain HP when wildshaping)
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So far thinking gnome illusionist with a fascination with the shadow weave and how he can use it to augment/change his illusions. As for cabals and such, that is perfectly fine, want to make him fit into the setting as much as possible.
Thank you for the offer with the unseen seer, that's actually been something that's always bugged me about that PrC, but I might still stick with Human Rogue/Wizard 1/4 entry.
But right now I'm leaning heavily toward the gnome illusionist(Edit: Pretty much decided upon it).
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5. So you are going to use feat rogue to get feats. Where do you get sneak attack to take daring outlaw, or are you looking at the variant as an ACF that comes up every time you get Sneak Attack. I see it as a choice at first level, you either take feats for Sneak Attack or stick with Sneak Attack for the rest of your career. On the other hand I don't see it as totally broken to choose (and you could always dip SA fighter or swordsage or any other sneak attack class for entry). I'm going to tentatively allow it unless other players have something to say about this.
My initial plan was to grab one level of the Avenger PrC (or some other PrC granting sneak attack), and one level of sneak attack Exoticist Hit-And-Run Fighter. So I get 2d6 Sneak attack and use them to get the feat. It's a cheesy reading, but it works RAW and I've never seen it as particularly overpowered, it's just a cool way of making the rogue a solid tier 3 class.
This (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=324904) is my character build, which is very much a WiP, since I still haven't settled on whether to do MoMF or Half-Minotaur approach yet.
If I start with MoMF, (Which I can only do if you allow me to choose feats before class even though that isn't RAW or find a race that grants the feats as bonus feats), I guess I'll be using druid starting gold?
For roleplaying reasons, I'll probably go with the MoMF build though, as I would like him to be from Midkemia, but just a guy who randomly discovered his powers, because some distant god is attempting to influence him. Then he kindda works as a sell-sword. EDIT: I'm ofc assuming that you aren't allowing the divine minion the silly reading of his wild shape were he pretty much can heal as a free action (since he changes form as a free action, at will, and would technically regain HP from it, I just assume that wild minions don't regain HP when wildshaping)
MoMF will use druid starting gold. The free action wild shape we can simplify by making it a swift action wild shape, that way I don't have to pay attention to your offensive form at the beginning of your turn defensive form at the end situation. We could also then say you can benefit from the wild shape healing 4/day (since that is the number of wild shapes an 11th level druid has). Swift action probably fits better with later supplements when I feel like free actions became more defined to swift actions/immediate actions. The class feature of MoMF itself actually slows down your wild shaping as written.
Also polymorph/shapechange/wildshape does not give spellcasting/sla's ever.
If you want to enter at first for MoMF you can take a flaw and be a human divine minion or take two flaws to get the two feats that you need to enter MoMF. I will go with feats gained from levels happen after you pick your class.
Edit: Also Mixster I think you will find that the stat array I gave out is a bit better than the 32 point buy it looks like you are using if that changes anything in your character choice.
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Since you're allowing dual progression PrCs, would you allow this homebrew one by Garryl (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=12813.0) that progresses Binder and Martial Adepts? I've been itching to try it out. I don't know that we'll ever make it that far, but it would give me something to plan for...
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Since you're allowing dual progression PrCs, would you allow this homebrew one by Garryl (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=12813.0) that progresses Binder and Martial Adepts? I've been itching to try it out. I don't know that we'll ever make it that far, but it would give me something to plan for...
I haven't seen binders in play, but if they really are tier 2/3 range in power I feel like losing at least one or two of the +1 effective binder levels is appropriate based upon the other tob dual progression prcs (both made for tier 1/2 range gishes yes so maybe only losing 1 ebl at say level 1?).
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Since you're allowing dual progression PrCs, would you allow this homebrew one by Garryl (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=12813.0) that progresses Binder and Martial Adepts? I've been itching to try it out. I don't know that we'll ever make it that far, but it would give me something to plan for...
I haven't seen binders in play, but if they really are tier 2/3 range in power I feel like losing at least one or two of the +1 effective binder levels is appropriate based upon the other tob dual progression prcs (both made for tier 1/2 range gishes yes so maybe only losing 1 ebl at say level 1?).
That's fine. I think binders are low tier 3 without the online vestiges mostly because they have a lot of options they can choose from. I question whether they are truly tier 2 with them, though.
Anima Mage doesn't lose any binder levels, though. :P
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Good point. Go with it as is.
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Good point. Go with it as is.
Schweet. Thanks. Now I just hope we make it that far. :P
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You will be able to run across characters with these feats from time to time, what spells in particular are you interested in tracking down? Cleric starting wealth works fine.
Nothing fancy. I'm mainly interested in stuff like AOE battlefield control, that divine casters don't have that much of. For example at level 1 I'd be interested in Color Spray. Later on, stuff like Cloud of Bewilderment, Stinking Cloud, Evard's Black Tentacles, Solid Fog etc.
Edit: Finished Char Sheet (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=324266) and Prayerbook (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnMNEfkfJJocdGd0bWtIbGtDbTdrVEM4YXhuSDJibmc&hl=en_US#gid=0). If you have anything to suggest, fee free to do so :)
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5. So you are going to use feat rogue to get feats. Where do you get sneak attack to take daring outlaw, or are you looking at the variant as an ACF that comes up every time you get Sneak Attack. I see it as a choice at first level, you either take feats for Sneak Attack or stick with Sneak Attack for the rest of your career. On the other hand I don't see it as totally broken to choose (and you could always dip SA fighter or swordsage or any other sneak attack class for entry). I'm going to tentatively allow it unless other players have something to say about this.
My initial plan was to grab one level of the Avenger PrC (or some other PrC granting sneak attack), and one level of sneak attack Exoticist Hit-And-Run Fighter. So I get 2d6 Sneak attack and use them to get the feat. It's a cheesy reading, but it works RAW and I've never seen it as particularly overpowered, it's just a cool way of making the rogue a solid tier 3 class.
This (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=324904) is my character build, which is very much a WiP, since I still haven't settled on whether to do MoMF or Half-Minotaur approach yet.
If I start with MoMF, (Which I can only do if you allow me to choose feats before class even though that isn't RAW or find a race that grants the feats as bonus feats), I guess I'll be using druid starting gold?
For roleplaying reasons, I'll probably go with the MoMF build though, as I would like him to be from Midkemia, but just a guy who randomly discovered his powers, because some distant god is attempting to influence him. Then he kindda works as a sell-sword. EDIT: I'm ofc assuming that you aren't allowing the divine minion the silly reading of his wild shape were he pretty much can heal as a free action (since he changes form as a free action, at will, and would technically regain HP from it, I just assume that wild minions don't regain HP when wildshaping)
MoMF will use druid starting gold. The free action wild shape we can simplify by making it a swift action wild shape, that way I don't have to pay attention to your offensive form at the beginning of your turn defensive form at the end situation. We could also then say you can benefit from the wild shape healing 4/day (since that is the number of wild shapes an 11th level druid has). Swift action probably fits better with later supplements when I feel like free actions became more defined to swift actions/immediate actions. The class feature of MoMF itself actually slows down your wild shaping as written.
Also polymorph/shapechange/wildshape does not give spellcasting/sla's ever.
If you want to enter at first for MoMF you can take a flaw and be a human divine minion or take two flaws to get the two feats that you need to enter MoMF. I will go with feats gained from levels happen after you pick your class.
Edit: Also Mixster I think you will find that the stat array I gave out is a bit better than the 32 point buy it looks like you are using if that changes anything in your character choice.
That sounds awesome. I changed my stats to reflect that array and my skills.
(also by RAW the MoMF doesn't nerf the Fast Wild Shape of the divine minion. It says you can use your wild shape as a move action, not that you must).
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5. So you are going to use feat rogue to get feats. Where do you get sneak attack to take daring outlaw, or are you looking at the variant as an ACF that comes up every time you get Sneak Attack. I see it as a choice at first level, you either take feats for Sneak Attack or stick with Sneak Attack for the rest of your career. On the other hand I don't see it as totally broken to choose (and you could always dip SA fighter or swordsage or any other sneak attack class for entry). I'm going to tentatively allow it unless other players have something to say about this.
My initial plan was to grab one level of the Avenger PrC (or some other PrC granting sneak attack), and one level of sneak attack Exoticist Hit-And-Run Fighter. So I get 2d6 Sneak attack and use them to get the feat. It's a cheesy reading, but it works RAW and I've never seen it as particularly overpowered, it's just a cool way of making the rogue a solid tier 3 class.
This (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=324904) is my character build, which is very much a WiP, since I still haven't settled on whether to do MoMF or Half-Minotaur approach yet.
If I start with MoMF, (Which I can only do if you allow me to choose feats before class even though that isn't RAW or find a race that grants the feats as bonus feats), I guess I'll be using druid starting gold?
For roleplaying reasons, I'll probably go with the MoMF build though, as I would like him to be from Midkemia, but just a guy who randomly discovered his powers, because some distant god is attempting to influence him. Then he kindda works as a sell-sword. EDIT: I'm ofc assuming that you aren't allowing the divine minion the silly reading of his wild shape were he pretty much can heal as a free action (since he changes form as a free action, at will, and would technically regain HP from it, I just assume that wild minions don't regain HP when wildshaping)
MoMF will use druid starting gold. The free action wild shape we can simplify by making it a swift action wild shape, that way I don't have to pay attention to your offensive form at the beginning of your turn defensive form at the end situation. We could also then say you can benefit from the wild shape healing 4/day (since that is the number of wild shapes an 11th level druid has). Swift action probably fits better with later supplements when I feel like free actions became more defined to swift actions/immediate actions. The class feature of MoMF itself actually slows down your wild shaping as written.
Also polymorph/shapechange/wildshape does not give spellcasting/sla's ever.
If you want to enter at first for MoMF you can take a flaw and be a human divine minion or take two flaws to get the two feats that you need to enter MoMF. I will go with feats gained from levels happen after you pick your class.
Edit: Also Mixster I think you will find that the stat array I gave out is a bit better than the 32 point buy it looks like you are using if that changes anything in your character choice.
That sounds awesome. I changed my stats to reflect that array and my skills.
(also by RAW the MoMF doesn't nerf the Fast Wild Shape of the divine minion. It says you can use your wild shape as a move action, not that you must).
Sorry, I didn't mean it nerfs it, just that the PRC you are taking gives a benefit that would actually make it slower if you had to use it.
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@vilenatas: I'll get you a few possible build stubs PMed to you here shortly regarding my possible Beguiler Swiftblade.
Also regarding the LA penalty and Buy Off... Does the Penalty function seperately from the normal function of LA Buy Off. That is the way I'm understanding it but I was not sure.
ie: +1LA character starts with the -1 Penalty. He levels and the penalty goes away. He still has his LA however which he can buy off at 3rd level normally.
@Others: Someone else mentioned perhaps wanting to do a Swifthunter. Go right ahead, I was the one that mentioned it earlier.
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Ok... Here's my character sheet. I'm not done yet, but I've already decided most of the stuff i needed.
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=325072
:D
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Ok... Here's my character sheet. I'm not done yet, but I've already decided most of the stuff i needed.
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=325072
:D
You havn't given permission to view the sheet. :P
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By the way, since Alertness (a requirement for my class) is now either, simply better (by adding +4) or simply worse than skill focus (perception), what do you say to just changing it to that?
EDIT: Also, why is it that I, once again, find that due to Kobold Endurance, the most optimised race for this class is Kobold, AGAIN? Why is the most optimised race always kobold?
(I'm looking at race because I realised Phaedrus asked us to get darkvision)
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By the way, since Alertness (a requirement for my class) is now either, simply better (by adding +4) or simply worse than skill focus (perception), what do you say to just changing it to that?
EDIT: Also, why is it that I, once again, find that due to Kobold Endurance, the most optimised race for this class is Kobold, AGAIN? Why is the most optimised race always kobold?
(I'm looking at race because I realised Phaedrus asked us to get darkvision)
Because Kobolds rule, that's why.
Ok... Here's my character sheet. I'm not done yet, but I've already decided most of the stuff i needed.
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=325072
:D
You havn't given permission to view the sheet. :P
First time using Myth-Weavers sheets. Should be fixed now.
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Ok... Here's my character sheet. I'm not done yet, but I've already decided most of the stuff i needed.
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=325072
:D
You havn't given permission to view the sheet. :P
First time using Myth-Weavers sheets. Should be fixed now.
Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought. From day to day I can look like your familiar in the shape of an Ibis if you want to.
@Vilenatas: By the way, if I change into some form, equip an item and then wildshape again, if I go back to the form were I equipped the item, is it then still equipped?
So I could for example, during the morning turn into a flind gnoll, pick up a guisarme, and then turn into an Ibis, when combat comes, I'd use a move action to fly into position, then a Swift Action to turn into the gnoll again, and a standard action to attack, would this be okay with you?
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Ok... Here's my character sheet. I'm not done yet, but I've already decided most of the stuff i needed.
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=325072
:D
You havn't given permission to view the sheet. :P
First time using Myth-Weavers sheets. Should be fixed now.
Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought.
That'd be nice!
If the DM has nothing against it, we could do that.
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Out of curiosity if I got access to a duel progression class via feats (aka saphire herophant) would you allow me effectivly get levels in a meldshapeing class even though I didn't have one to start with. I'm just thinking about my last 5 levels and I do want 9th level spells.
Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought. From day to day I can look like your familiar in the shape of an Ibis if you want to.
That sounds gouda. :deadpan
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Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought. From day to day I can look like your familiar in the shape of an Ibis if you want to.
That's interesting... because I'm playing a desert dwarf (crusader), which has racial enmity vs. reptilian humanoids and dragons... :lol I think we should definitely work this all into a shared backstory somehow...
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The Tenative Party so far....
Archivist ------------ Elf -------------- LordofBlades
DFA//Totemist ------- Desert Kobold --- DrHorrible
MoMF//Divine Minion - Desert Kobold --- Mixter
Cursader//Spellthief-- Desert Dwarf ---- PhaedrusXY
Cleric --------------- Human ---------- mthor ------- Going into RKV
Melee Telling Blow ----?????------------ Flay ------- Some sort of Crit Monkey
Beguiler//Monk -------Catfolk ---------- Hallack ------Going into Swiftblade. VERY much tentative pending DM discussion
Illusionist ----------- Gnome ----------- Shadowviper - Going SCM
That is the VERY tenative party so far in case that helps everyone. I know it helps me wrap my head around it all.
Look at the built in RP fun with the Gnome/Dwarf vs Kobolds hehe
Updated the spellthief
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The other side of my build will be Spellthief, and I'll also be multiclassing with Binder on the Crusader side, and maybe Swordsage.
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@ Dr. Horrible unless I'm missing something your morning star should have 1d6 damage instead of 1d8.
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Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought. From day to day I can look like your familiar in the shape of an Ibis if you want to.
That's interesting... because I'm playing a desert dwarf (crusader), which has racial enmity vs. reptilian humanoids and dragons... :lol I think we should definitely work this all into a shared backstory somehow...
Since my character loves changing shape, he could actually have met you as a dwarf and convinced you that the other kobold isn't as bad as he seems. Then turned into a kobold. :lmao
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Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought. From day to day I can look like your familiar in the shape of an Ibis if you want to.
That's interesting... because I'm playing a desert dwarf (crusader), which has racial enmity vs. reptilian humanoids and dragons... :lol I think we should definitely work this all into a shared backstory somehow...
Since my character loves changing shape, he could actually have met you as a dwarf and convinced you that the other kobold isn't as bad as he seems. Then turned into a kobold. :lmao
I'm not sure that's going to be a good long-term solution to their racial difficulties... although my character does have a 4 wisdom, so I'm sure you guys could convince him of almost anything. :lol
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Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought. From day to day I can look like your familiar in the shape of an Ibis if you want to.
That's interesting... because I'm playing a desert dwarf (crusader), which has racial enmity vs. reptilian humanoids and dragons... :lol I think we should definitely work this all into a shared backstory somehow...
Since my character loves changing shape, he could actually have met you as a dwarf and convinced you that the other kobold isn't as bad as he seems. Then turned into a kobold. :lmao
I'm not sure that's going to be a good long-term solution to their racial difficulties... although my character does have a 4 wisdom, so I'm sure you guys could convince him of almost anything. :lol
What kobolds? We're not kobolds, we are just scaled goblins.
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What kobolds? We're not kobolds, we are just scaled goblins.
You're telling a dwarf you're a goblin and expect that to make things better? :lmao
On a related note, I'm kind of dragon too (Dragonborn here) :p If you guys want to include me as well in your shared background I'm up for it. If not it's cool ;)
Are we going for 'everyone has darkvision' after all?
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On a Midkemia related note I have come to learn that Dwarves call Kobolds of the land gnomes. Of course, Midkemian Kobolds (gnomes) probably don't share much in common with standard d&d Kobolds. But, I'm clueless in that regard really. :)
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On a Midkemia related note I have come to learn that Dwarves call Kobolds of the land gnomes. Of course, Midkemian Kobolds (gnomes) probably don't share much in common with standard d&d Kobolds. But, I'm clueless in that regard really. :)
Gee... that's not confusing... at all... really...
So is there some reason we can't be from Midkemia? I'm sure they have some deserts...
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On a related note, I'm kind of dragon too (Dragonborn here) :p If you guys want to include me as well in your shared background I'm up for it. If not it's cool ;)
Sounds cool with me.
So since we are from the desert, my background is pretty much that I'm an old kobold who went out to die on some ancient burial ground, and then I was contacted by my Deity who offered me my powers and a second chance at life, since I had all my life lived as he deemed his followers should.
I could somehow be related to you, or I could have been there when you were initiated as he was probably pretty much town elder who was kindda the "skill-monkey" of the town.
By the way, the feats I have that have prerequisite, Kobold, do they become unavailable when I Wild Shape? I know it technically changes your race, but I've always ignored that for practical play since it makes you able to do stupid things like enter illithid savant or beholder mage.
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Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought. From day to day I can look like your familiar in the shape of an Ibis if you want to.
That's interesting... because I'm playing a desert dwarf (crusader), which has racial enmity vs. reptilian humanoids and dragons... :lol I think we should definitely work this all into a shared backstory somehow...
Since my character loves changing shape, he could actually have met you as a dwarf and convinced you that the other kobold isn't as bad as he seems. Then turned into a kobold. :lmao
I'm not sure that's going to be a good long-term solution to their racial difficulties... although my character does have a 4 wisdom, so I'm sure you guys could convince him of almost anything. :lol
"No worries brother, we are undercover shapeshifting desert dwarves!"
:lmao
@ Dr. Horrible unless I'm missing something your morning star should have 1d6 damage instead of 1d8.
Yeah, you're right, I'll edit that, thanks.
:)
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Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought. From day to day I can look like your familiar in the shape of an Ibis if you want to.
That's interesting... because I'm playing a desert dwarf (crusader), which has racial enmity vs. reptilian humanoids and dragons... :lol I think we should definitely work this all into a shared backstory somehow...
Since my character loves changing shape, he could actually have met you as a dwarf and convinced you that the other kobold isn't as bad as he seems. Then turned into a kobold. :lmao
I'm not sure that's going to be a good long-term solution to their racial difficulties... although my character does have a 4 wisdom, so I'm sure you guys could convince him of almost anything. :lol
"No worries brother, we are undercover shapeshifting desert dwarves!"
:lmao
Yeah, this should be fun. Gee, I wonder how he got drafted into the job of being the "trapspringer"...
"Ho there Brother Steelhead, would you mind opening that door over there for us? We'll just be standing over here, behind this large rock outcropping..."
*BOOM*
*kobolds snickering*
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(I'm looking at race because I realised Phaedrus asked us to get darkvision)
My character probably won't be getting darkvision until at least level 12 over even later than that.
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(I'm looking at race because I realised Phaedrus asked us to get darkvision)
My character probably won't be getting darkvision until at least level 12 over even later than that.
Since we can use LA buyoff, and start with a LA, how about adding a template? ;) Something like Dark or whatever would fit (assuming they grant Darkvision... :P ).
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(I'm looking at race because I realised Phaedrus asked us to get darkvision)
My character probably won't be getting darkvision until at least level 12 over even later than that.
Since we can use LA buyoff, and start with a LA, how about adding a template? ;) Something like Dark or whatever would fit (assuming they grant Darkvision... :P ).
Stop it, I love that template and have been fighting the urge to take it.
@Vilentas: Is there any info out there on Tigermen? I didn't know if fluffwise that would work with Catfolk or not. I've done lots of googling and have learned next to nothing.
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(I'm looking at race because I realised Phaedrus asked us to get darkvision)
My character probably won't be getting darkvision until at least level 12 over even later than that.
Since we can use LA buyoff, and start with a LA, how about adding a template? ;) Something like Dark or whatever would fit (assuming they grant Darkvision... :P ).
Hint: Whispergnome is an LA 0 Gnome, that gets darkvision out to 60 feet, as well as +8 to stealth, most awesome for a beguiler.
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(I'm looking at race because I realised Phaedrus asked us to get darkvision)
My character probably won't be getting darkvision until at least level 12 over even later than that.
Since we can use LA buyoff, and start with a LA, how about adding a template? ;) Something like Dark or whatever would fit (assuming they grant Darkvision... :P ).
Hint: Whispergnome is an LA 0 Gnome, that gets darkvision out to 60 feet, as well as +8 to stealth, most awesome for a beguiler.
LOL, stop it. You're even worse. Whispergnome has been tickling my fancy from the beginning, particularly with maybe the Dark Template. Whispers are one of my favorite races hehe.
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LOL, stop it. You're even worse. Whispergnome has been tickling my fancy from the beginning, particularly with maybe the Dark Template. Whispers are one of my favorite races hehe.
Dark Whispergnomes are awesome. Fast, small, good stats, and +16 to hide checks is some of the best things you can get for +1 LA.
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Ok. I'll probably be missing some questions since there have been a lot of posts since last night.
Jal Pur desert could have desert kobolds (I know they have a desert people, and that they are largely unknown).
The tigermen aren't statted. They are a created race by one of the super beings that were defeated by the new gods a long time ago. You would probably want to stay away from using them as they never, ever leave their homeland due to their religious beliefs.
Any feat that once granted a +2 to two different skills is deprecated and if a required feat is replaced by skill focus.
@Vilenatas: By the way, if I change into some form, equip an item and then wildshape again, if I go back to the form were I equipped the item, is it then still equipped?
So I could for example, during the morning turn into a flind gnoll, pick up a guisarme, and then turn into an Ibis, when combat comes, I'd use a move action to fly into position, then a Swift Action to turn into the gnoll again, and a standard action to attack, would this be okay with you?
That doesn't sound out of balance to me.
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I'm thinking I'd like to flavor my character as a kind of elemental spirit or animated statue, that the kobolds found guarding a dwarven temple and tricked into following them. Would that be OK? Although the mineral warrior doesn't technically change your type, it does give a burrow speed, the earth subtype, and DR/adamantine, which is a pretty radical change... That would also explain why he is so naive, weak-willed, etc.
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Sure, a long forgotten temple in the Jal Pur desert work?
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Sure, a long forgotten temple in the Jal Pur desert work?
Sure... since I don't know anything about that. :P (Never read any of the books.)
Is this flaw (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Deadly_Strength_%283.5e_Flaw%29) OK? Or would you rather stick to the ones in UA? I think this fits since he can technically punch holes in solid stone... (DR adamantine means he ignores hardness below 20...)
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Sure, a long forgotten temple in the Jal Pur desert work?
Sure... since I don't know anything about that. :P (Never read any of the books.)
Is this flaw (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Deadly_Strength_%283.5e_Flaw%29) OK? Or would you rather stick to the ones in UA? I think this fits since he can technically punch holes in solid stone... (DR adamantine means he ignores hardness below 20...)
We can try it. If it seems to cause problems for other members beyond simple rp I'll have you change it, but it sort of seems to fit your big, strong, not so wise character.
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Thanks. How are we doing hit points? My character is pretty much done, except for that.
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Sure, a long forgotten temple in the Jal Pur desert work?
Could the temple also, house an artifact (a huge monstrous device, impossible to carry with us) that allowed me to communicate with my god, thus resulting in me gaining my powers?
My character also seems pretty much done, I still have some 40 gold to spend on equipment, look up a few more forms, and decide how he will advance.
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Full at all levels for hp. Should give the martial characters a bit more beefiness.
Sure. That can go into the backstory if you want, although the Jal-Pur desert is quite some distance from Crydee, so I won't expect you to be traveling back and forth a lot.
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So since we are from the desert, my background is pretty much that I'm an old kobold who went out to die on some ancient burial ground, and then I was contacted by my Deity who offered me my powers and a second chance at life, since I had all my life lived as he deemed his followers should.
I could somehow be related to you, or I could have been there when you were initiated as he was probably pretty much town elder who was kindda the "skill-monkey" of the town.
Well, how about this: among the tribes of the Jal-Pur desert, there are also desert elves. My character comes from a desert elf tribe (changed race to fire elf, want to fluff it as a desert elf with some fire dragon blood in his veins) and being 'special' and more gifted than his fellow tribesmen, he got the attention of a Brass Dragon who had his lair nearby, and he took him as an apprentice of sorts. The brass dragon was a follower of Bahamut, and he not only taught my character everything he knows, but also converted him to a devoted servant of the dragon god (due to which he also received the gift of becoming a dragonborn). He met with you guys (the two kobolds)while exploring the same ancient temple where the dwarf statue was located.
By the way, the feats I have that have prerequisite, Kobold, do they become unavailable when I Wild Shape? I know it technically changes your race, but I've always ignored that for practical play since it makes you able to do stupid things like enter illithid savant or beholder mage.
AFAIK, after being Errata-ed, neither Wild Shape or Polymorph change your type and subtype anymore
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(I'm looking at race because I realised Phaedrus asked us to get darkvision)
My character probably won't be getting darkvision until at least level 12 over even later than that.
Since we can use LA buyoff, and start with a LA, how about adding a template? ;) Something like Dark or whatever would fit (assuming they grant Darkvision... :P ).
Don't really want to take negatives to everything for several levels. Especially when with PBP it can take several weeks just to get through a single dungeon room. :(
Edit: Thank you for the Whispergnome suggestion, I'll look into them and see if it'll fit. Kinda forgotten about that race option.
Edit: While the Whispergnome is great, I'm not so sure about switching(if I was playing a more roguish character then of course). Not only will I lose the +1 to Illusion DCs(Kinda important to an Illusionist) I'll also be losing the Gnome Wizard Sub Levels as well. Is Darkvision really all that important? Because it kinda eliminates a ton of races...Besides I count two people(excluding my gnome) without darkvision, I honestly don't think it's that important.
Edit: But...might switch it up to a WG Rogue/Wiz/Unseen Seer. Not sure how well my current illusionist concept will work party wise. What alignment are we shooting for?
Edit: Annnnndddd....not too sure how gnomes and kobolds are going to mix. :twitch
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Edit: But...might switch it up to a WG Rogue/Wiz/Unseen Seer. Not sure how well my current illusionist concept will work party wise. What alignment are we shooting for?
I'm up for everything, but I'll need to keep one aspect neutral to stay in line with my deity. However that pretty much opens me for everything. Atm, I was aiming for True Neutral.
Edit: Thank you for the Whispergnome suggestion, I'll look into them and see if it'll fit. Kinda forgotten about that race option.
Edit: While the Whispergnome is great, I'm not so sure about switching(if I was playing a more roguish character then of course). Not only will I lose the +1 to Illusion DCs(Kinda important to an Illusionist) I'll also be losing the Gnome Wizard Sub Levels as well. Is Darkvision really all that important? Because it kinda eliminates a ton of races...Besides I count two people(excluding my gnome) without darkvision, I honestly don't think it's that important.
You can still take Gnome Wizard sub levels if you are a whisper gnome, can't you? I was planning on taking the Kobold Rogue Sub Level, even though I'm a desert Kobold.
Edit: Annnnndddd....not too sure how gnomes and kobolds are going to mix. :twitch
My character is a shapeshifter, it is unlikely he would tell a gnome (or a dwarf) which of his forms is his true form, when you can access True Seeing, my character will be hiding a lot.
Well, how about this: among the tribes of the Jal-Pur desert, there are also desert elves. My character comes from a desert elf tribe (changed race to fire elf, want to fluff it as a desert elf with some fire dragon blood in his veins) and being 'special' and more gifted than his fellow tribesmen, he got the attention of a Brass Dragon who had his lair nearby, and he took him as an apprentice of sorts. The brass dragon was a follower of Bahamut, and he not only taught my character everything he knows, but also converted him to a devoted servant of the dragon god (due to which he also received the gift of becoming a dragonborn). He met with you guys (the two kobolds)while exploring the same ancient temple where the dwarf statue was located.
That makes sense to me, we can write that in. Now us kobolds just need to know how we are related, I guess we could be family? A couple of old brothers that have decided on venturing into the world to see it for one last time?
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Edit: Thank you for the Whispergnome suggestion, I'll look into them and see if it'll fit. Kinda forgotten about that race option.
Edit: While the Whispergnome is great, I'm not so sure about switching(if I was playing a more roguish character then of course). Not only will I lose the +1 to Illusion DCs(Kinda important to an Illusionist) I'll also be losing the Gnome Wizard Sub Levels as well. Is Darkvision really all that important? Because it kinda eliminates a ton of races...Besides I count two people(excluding my gnome) without darkvision, I honestly don't think it's that important.
You can still take Gnome Wizard sub levels if you are a whisper gnome, can't you? I was planning on taking the Kobold Rogue Sub Level, even though I'm a desert Kobold.
Yes, the sub levels should still be good to go. Also, play whatever you want of course but you won't see me complaining about having an SCM around hehe.
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About the Darkvision, would have been nice if we all had it but it's not trashing a char concept over it IMO. If you're arcane caster you can have it anyway from level 3 (Darkvision spell lasts 1 hour/level and later on you can use Permanency on it if you want) and the RKV can get something similar later on by persisting Blindisght (3rd level spell)
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Yeah it's not terrible if you don't have it, so don't sweat it. It's just useful when the entire party do, so they don't have to worry about light sources.
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About the alignment... I have C-G in my sheet, hope I'm not too far from the others.
Edit: But...might switch it up to a WG Rogue/Wiz/Unseen Seer. Not sure how well my current illusionist concept will work party wise. What alignment are we shooting for?
I'm up for everything, but I'll need to keep one aspect neutral to stay in line with my deity. However that pretty much opens me for everything. Atm, I was aiming for True Neutral.
Edit: Thank you for the Whispergnome suggestion, I'll look into them and see if it'll fit. Kinda forgotten about that race option.
Edit: While the Whispergnome is great, I'm not so sure about switching(if I was playing a more roguish character then of course). Not only will I lose the +1 to Illusion DCs(Kinda important to an Illusionist) I'll also be losing the Gnome Wizard Sub Levels as well. Is Darkvision really all that important? Because it kinda eliminates a ton of races...Besides I count two people(excluding my gnome) without darkvision, I honestly don't think it's that important.
You can still take Gnome Wizard sub levels if you are a whisper gnome, can't you? I was planning on taking the Kobold Rogue Sub Level, even though I'm a desert Kobold.
Edit: Annnnndddd....not too sure how gnomes and kobolds are going to mix. :twitch
My character is a shapeshifter, it is unlikely he would tell a gnome (or a dwarf) which of his forms is his true form, when you can access True Seeing, my character will be hiding a lot.
Well, how about this: among the tribes of the Jal-Pur desert, there are also desert elves. My character comes from a desert elf tribe (changed race to fire elf, want to fluff it as a desert elf with some fire dragon blood in his veins) and being 'special' and more gifted than his fellow tribesmen, he got the attention of a Brass Dragon who had his lair nearby, and he took him as an apprentice of sorts. The brass dragon was a follower of Bahamut, and he not only taught my character everything he knows, but also converted him to a devoted servant of the dragon god (due to which he also received the gift of becoming a dragonborn). He met with you guys (the two kobolds)while exploring the same ancient temple where the dwarf statue was located.
That makes sense to me, we can write that in. Now us kobolds just need to know how we are related, I guess we could be family? A couple of old brothers that have decided on venturing into the world to see it for one last time?
That sounds great. I'd be travelling to untap the powers of my ancestors and those of other magical beasts and who better to travel with than my brother?
The temple might even have been a Bahamut temple seeing as I was considering it as my deity.
Uh, now we have our section in the current games!
Yay!
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That sounds great. I'd be travelling to untap the powers of my ancestors and those of other magical beasts and who better to travel with than my brother?
The temple might even have been a Bahamut temple seeing as I was considering it as my deity.
Awesome, I worship Thoth though. Mulhorandi Deity of Magic & Knowledge in Faerun. I think the background for him trying to influence Midkemia, is an attempt from him to pass through the gates of reality, just to see if it can be done. Perhaps he was an old influence, who attempted to move the temple there, and then allied with Bahamut to bring it there? That would explain how we met eachother. Then we decided to explore the world together.
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That sounds great. I'd be travelling to untap the powers of my ancestors and those of other magical beasts and who better to travel with than my brother?
The temple might even have been a Bahamut temple seeing as I was considering it as my deity.
Awesome, I worship Thoth though. Mulhorandi Deity of Magic & Knowledge in Faerun. I think the background for him trying to influence Midkemia, is an attempt from him to pass through the gates of reality, just to see if it can be done. Perhaps he was an old influence, who attempted to move the temple there, and then allied with Bahamut to bring it there? That would explain how we met eachother. Then we decided to explore the world together.
Sounds good to me.
Alginment wise, I'm NG.
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I'm glad it's looking like most people will be good aligned. I considered being LG, since I'm supposed to be some kind of guardian spirit/creation of the dwarves, but changed it to LN as I worried that would conflict with other party members. I also thought it could represent the implacable, merciless nature of something created as a guardian with a lack of "humanity". I might change it back, but either way I'll be lawful.
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I'm going to be somewhere there on the good axis. Not sure where yet however. Also, Still looking to do Swiftblade but may be doing it as a Mystic Ranger instead. Working on the build now while I should be working hehe.
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I'm going to be somewhere there on the good axis. Not sure where yet however. Also, Still looking to do Swiftblade but may be doing it as a Mystic Ranger instead. Working on the build now while I should be working hehe.
Excellent.
Should we move this thread to the campaign section in current games or should we leave it here?
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I know we have some that might be able to trap monkey for us but was any planning this for an aspect of their character? If not I should be able to work it into mine easily enough.
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I know we have some that might be able to trap monkey for us but was any planning this for an aspect of their character? If not I should be able to work it into mine easily enough.
I was going to try doing it, but I am not sure I'll be that good at it with a 4 wisdom, since search was replaced by Perception, which is now Wisdom based. :lol
At 1st level, it is pretty hard to optimize enough to find and disable them, anyway (without being a gimp otherwise). I'll probably just walk in front and take whatever beating they dish out, which is why I wanted to be a mineral warrior crusader on the opposite side of my "trapfinding" class. :P
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Got it. We can dress the construct dwarf up as a monkey. :P BTW, a thought since you are going that direction... warforged?
Also, I started us a General Discussion/OOC thread in the Subforum. Included a slightly updated list of characters so far and link to rules in the first post. (I hate digging)
Cheers.
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Got it. We can dress the construct dwarf up as a monkey. :P BTW, a thought since you are going that direction... warforged?
Nah. Considered it, but would rather go with this and just change the fluff.
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For alignment I am LN and and I'm thinking of playing it rather harsly. I feel I am the enforcer of We Jas so anyone who either abuses magic or inhibits its "righfull path" shall get a face full of compleatly self-richious zealot. If no one has any objections of course.
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Okay, after a great deal of himhawing around (yes, that is a technical term) I think I'm going to drop Swiftblade :(
I was looking at being able to Persist Haste around 7th level as a Swiftblade but all that eats up a lot of feats for something so far down the line.
This is a PBP so I want to make sure I have a solid fun character from day one and not count so much on later levels.
That being the case I think I'm going to keep it simpler and just do a nice Swifthunter build probably with some martial adept dips.
Still going to go Mystic Ranger and perhaps even Sword of Arcane Order if allowed for more spell versatility.
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Okay, after a great deal of himhawing around (yes, that is a technical term) I think I'm going to drop Swiftblade :(
I was looking at being able to Persist Haste around 7th level as a Swiftblade but all that eats up a lot of feats for something so far down the line.
This is a PBP so I want to make sure I have a solid fun character from day one and not count so much on later levels.
That being the case I think I'm going to keep it simpler and just do a nice Swifthunter build probably with some martial adept dips.
Still going to go Mystic Ranger and perhaps even Sword of Arcane Order if allowed for more spell versatility.
This was more along my line of thinking. I want something fun and useful now, instead of in 10+ levels...
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I know we have some that might be able to trap monkey for us but was any planning this for an aspect of their character? If not I should be able to work it into mine easily enough.
I can trap monkey from level 2, I can detect all traps with a DC of less than 20 at level 1 by taking 10 on my perception rolls. I can also pretty much disable them from level 2.
At level 2, (where I'll grab either Factotum or Kobold Feat Rogue), Traps will be trivial for me.
For alignment I am LN and and I'm thinking of playing it rather harsly. I feel I am the enforcer of We Jas so anyone who either abuses magic or inhibits its "righfull path" shall get a face full of compleatly self-richious zealot. If no one has any objections of course.
Fine by me, but if you are going to attempt to trade blows with my brother, I don't think my character would be on your side for long.
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I'm picking my feats and am considering WF Longbow, Point Blank Shot, and Dead Eye (+ dex to damage as precision damage) as my first level feats.
Future Feats I'm considering are: Precise Shot, Shadow Blade, Sword or Arcane Order, Dark Stalker, Swifthunter, Knowledge Devotion, and eventually Greater Manyshot. I'll be getting Rapid Shot and Manyshot from combat Style.
Thoughts?
@vilenatas: Is this Flaw (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Arrogant_%283.5e_Flaw%29) okay?
Also, I will get Many Shot at 7th level as Ranger. If I take it at 6th level with my Feat, can the 7th level Ranger function as Greater Manyshot or traded out for another feat. Of course this is so far into the future as to be largely unimportant hehe.
Character can be found HERE. (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=325142) He is still a work in progress.
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I'm picking my feats and am considering WF Longbow, Point Blank Shot, and Dead Eye (+ dex to damage as precision damage) as my first level feats.
Future Feats I'm considering are: Precise Shot, Shadow Blade, Sword or Arcane Order, Dark Stalker, Swifthunter, Knowledge Devotion, and eventually Greater Manyshot. I'll be getting Rapid Shot and Manyshot from combat Style.
Thoughts?
@vilenatas: Is this Flaw (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Arrogant_%283.5e_Flaw%29) okay?
Also, I will get Many Shot at 7th level as Ranger. If I take it at 6th level with my Feat, can the 7th level Ranger function as Greater Manyshot or traded out for another feat. Of course this is so far into the future as to be largely unimportant hehe.
Character can be found HERE. (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=325142) He is still a work in progress.
I always loved the idea of arcane casting paladins and rangers but I never played one of those with SotAO so I don't really know about their effectiveness at low-mid levels.
Precise Shot and Swifthunter are must IMHO, and Dark Stalker is a feat that I love and would take with every single character.
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I always loved the idea of arcane casting paladins and rangers but I never played one of those with SotAO so I don't really know about their effectiveness at low-mid levels.
Precise Shot and Swifthunter are must IMHO, and Dark Stalker is a feat that I love and would take with every single character.
Mystic Ranger is insanely good at the early-mid levels. It basically has a casting progression like a wizard on top of a ranger chassis, including getting level 5 spells at 9th or 10th level.
I know we have some that might be able to trap monkey for us but was any planning this for an aspect of their character? If not I should be able to work it into mine easily enough.
I can trap monkey from level 2, I can detect all traps with a DC of less than 20 at level 1 by taking 10 on my perception rolls. I can also pretty much disable them from level 2.
There are no traps with detection DCs lower than 20. :eh 3.5 Traps are insane.
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I know we have some that might be able to trap monkey for us but was any planning this for an aspect of their character? If not I should be able to work it into mine easily enough.
I can trap monkey from level 2, I can detect all traps with a DC of less than 20 at level 1 by taking 10 on my perception rolls. I can also pretty much disable them from level 2.
There are no traps with detection DCs lower than 20. :eh 3.5 Traps are insane.
Sadly, I don't have trapfinding yet, but the DC 20 traps I can find as well.
I'm planning on getting trapfinding next level though, either through a cloistered cleric dip for Travel Devotion, Kobold Domain and Knowledge Devotion, or through either Factotum or Kobold Feat Rogue. I'm still uncertain as to what I'll do, but I guess I'll see from what roles peole are getting into.
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Reposted in offical campaign OOC thread.
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