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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2010, 07:53:13 PM »
Under defense, mind blank is a premier spell. It also serves double duty under obfuscation when coupled with some form of invisibility or shapechanging, because it stops true seeing.

For counter-intelligence, I'm a huge fan of detect scrying. Coupled with nondetection or mind blank, it makes for a nice "you can't see me but I can see you" trick and gives you enough info to launch a counter-attack via teleport.

For action enhancement, arcane spellsurge effectively quickens every spell you cast, and drops summons down to a standard action. However, it is more abusable as a Sorcerer. If you're including spells you can add to your list, arcane fusion and it's greater cousin are extremely powerful as well.

I have to second the shapechange -> elemental weird idea for intelligence gathering. Free action contact other plane is powerful (the weird abilities were reprinted in Frostburn and remained free actions).
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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2010, 08:56:26 PM »
Glyph Seal ( <= 2nd level spells) and Glyph Seal, Greater ( >= 5th level spells). You can put personal range spells into them. So, for example, you could put a 300gp Crystal of Return, Least on the BSF's sword, and the glyph seal right next to where he grabs it, so he gets a wraithstrike when he draws his sword.

Delicate Disk does the same job for spells up to 5th level, so there's an app for that.

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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2010, 09:48:25 PM »
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I'll 2nd TMonk20's thread linked above, post #2 has the links.

I think getting a little Psionics onto a Wizard's list of possibilities, is generally do-able.
Say around level 9 or 10, Leadership Cohort Erudite 7 with Spell To Power for the sharing and caring.
Metamorphic Transfer feat is within reach, and cheap. Alter Self = Shapechange lite.
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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2010, 12:03:47 AM »
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Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2010, 02:53:45 AM »
For low levels, power word pain is great for damage, as is nosh's energy whip.
I would refute the idea of Power Word Pain being good for anything, since it overkills weak monsters and doesn't do enough against strong ones.  It's probably the best first-level blast at first level, but by level 4 I'd be looking to switch off to Hail of Stone or even Magic Missile, assuming I'd prepare anything other than comprehend languages, grease, etc.

So, for purposes of this thread... I don't think it's quite up to snuff.

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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2010, 01:38:18 PM »
Delicate Disk does the same job for spells up to 5th level, so there's an app for that.

I was briefly all over that spell... until I realized that each disc was the size of a frisbee. Palm-size I could live with, but Tron Discs, not so much. :P

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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2010, 03:17:44 PM »
Battlemagic perception L3 (Heroes of battle) needs to go on the list.  An immediate action counterspell is always good.

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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2010, 04:45:56 PM »
Has anyone mentioned Stop Heart: Subject drops to -8hp immediately.
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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #48 on: October 08, 2010, 05:58:16 PM »
I thought I would throw my 2 cents in. ok now Im not breaking them down into catagorys, but these are some of the spells ALL of my casters take.

*Spells -not doing a huge list, just some must haves
1- true strike/alarm
2- Wings of Cover(MUST HAVE)/ familiar pocket/ see invis
3- manyjaws/permiable form/ slow
4- wings of fury(MUST HAVE)/ evervation/d.door/assay resistence
5- wall of force
6- contingency/ tactical teleport(MUST HAVE super usefull)
7- force cage(highly suggested)/ powerword blind/ limited wish
8- ottos dance/ ottos telekinetic sphere/ power word petrify
9- timestop/shape change
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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #49 on: October 08, 2010, 06:26:01 PM »
4) Psychic Reformation converted ... too good, too useful.

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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2010, 07:02:16 PM »
Delicate Disk does the same job for spells up to 5th level, so there's an app for that.

I was briefly all over that spell... until I realized that each disc was the size of a frisbee. Palm-size I could live with, but Tron Discs, not so much. :P

Yeah, a familar belt or whatever it is called with 64 10lb pockets goes well assuming the wholes are big enough.  One disjunction though and you are back to square one.

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Heroics (SC):  Grants the target a fighter bonus feat for 10 minutes per level.  Improved Initiative is a fighter bonus feat.  So are Martial Study and Martial Stance.


Martial study grants you a new class skill, I wonder if you could use this to make it a class skill during leveling for cheaper/more ranks or help with early entry into something without multi-classing.

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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2010, 09:13:18 PM »
Should Mobility be split into long term and one shot? Like Phantom steed vs Dimension Door?
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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2010, 11:46:41 PM »
Mobility
I agree with splitting long-term (at least a minute per level) and short-term mobility spells.
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Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #53 on: October 09, 2010, 01:02:30 AM »
Martial study grants you a new class skill, I wonder if you could use this to make it a class skill during leveling for cheaper/more ranks or help with early entry into something without multi-classing.
Strictly according to RAW, you spend skill points before you pick a feat, so I'm afraid not. At least not at the level you take Martial Study.

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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #54 on: October 09, 2010, 01:11:29 AM »
He's talking about casting heroics while gaining your level-up skill points so that you can allocate them into things that aren't class skills.
Which, honestly, really depends on your DM and how he feels about non-permanant stuff being used during level-ups. Or how he abjucates levelling up in the first place.

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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #55 on: October 09, 2010, 02:35:49 AM »
He's talking about casting heroics while gaining your level-up skill points so that you can allocate them into things that aren't class skills.
Which, honestly, really depends on your DM and how he feels about non-permanant stuff being used during level-ups. Or how he abjucates levelling up in the first place.

Too bad heroics has a range of touch, a persistent version would make it much easier to level while the spell is up with 24 to 48 hour coverage.
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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #56 on: October 10, 2010, 01:09:27 AM »
chain of eyes or swarm of eyes are quite handy for intelligence gathering.
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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #57 on: October 10, 2010, 02:02:59 PM »
Isn't it interesting how many of the "absolute must-have best spells" are right out of the PHB?  Makes you think.

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« Reply #58 on: October 10, 2010, 03:01:24 PM »
Isn't it interesting how many of the "absolute must-have best spells" are right out of the PHB?  Makes you think.
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Re: The A-List: The Wizard's Best Spells For Every Situation
« Reply #59 on: October 10, 2010, 04:10:53 PM »
Mystic Shield is a must-have for protection once you get 8th level spells. Immunity to 6th and lower level spells, and making all attacks against you non-magical is awesome.

Ice Shield is a VERY good defense at high levels, and impossible to ignore to the most part.
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