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[Sunic_Flames]

Q411: A Master of the Unseen Hand 3 can wield a weapon via one of their class abilities, and now has the ability to full attack with such a weapon. So does that mean you get to full attack as a standard action with it? How about if you have that feat that reduces the action time to concentrate? Full attack as a swift action (then do your own full attack with the rest)?

Q412: There was a guide somewhere where the boards attempt to salvage the false premise founded train wreck that is Weapons of Legacy. Where is this thread?

[BowenSilverclaw]

Q413: Are there any ways for a specialist wizard to gain access to the spells from one of his prohibited schools besides dipping sorcerer/cleric/whatever and going dual-caster?

[Omen of Peace]

A 413 There's a feat chain in Lost Empires of Faerun allowing that. Pretty expensive though (3 feats IIRC).

The transmuter variant in UA allows a more limited workaround.

[ChristopherGroves]

A413:  are items acceptable?  Runestaff, Ring of Theurge, Drake Helm, etc.?

[BowenSilverclaw]

Thanks guys, that'll get me something to start with

Also, found Diversified Casting in Dragon 325, should help as well

[ChristopherGroves]

Q412: There was a guide somewhere where the boards attempt to salvage the false premise founded train wreck that is Weapons of Legacy. Where is this thread?

There was one on the CO boards.  Weapons of Legacy are NOT suck if you make your own.

[Sunic_Flames]

Q412: There was a guide somewhere where the boards attempt to salvage the false premise founded train wreck that is Weapons of Legacy. Where is this thread?

There was one on the CO boards.  Weapons of Legacy are NOT suck if you make your own.

Ok. Well seeing as a search only turns up two hits and those are from me asking about where it is where is this guide? From I've seen so far there's only a tiny pool of worthwhile abilities but they all do stuff like boost your attack with that weapon while gimping your attack rolls with all weapons, or lowering all your saves, or some other such BS. It's even worse for NPCs because apparently in addition to being gimped at least as much by their weapon as the weapon helps them they're supposed to get a fairly high CR boost... implying that it is a net gain even though they've crippled themselves, spent their cash on the rituals, and whatever else. Which means they're even more free XP as they're now super easy targets.

Edit: Don't forget you cannot improve them via normal means which means you can't just start crafting to actually get what you want without screwing yourself.

[ChristopherGroves]

I'm looking for the link.  Basically the abilities you want are things like the metamagics, the evasion, blur, never flat footed, etc. 

And intelligent, because intelligent items function in an AMF ...

[Omen of Peace]

Search for "legacy" in the Handy Links...

Remember, kids : they are Handy ! :-)

[ChristopherGroves]

Yeah but that link isn't in there

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=15027138

"Weapons of Legacy, they don't all suck"

[PhaedrusXY]

Q412: There was a guide somewhere where the boards attempt to salvage the false premise founded train wreck that is Weapons of Legacy. Where is this thread?

There was one on the CO boards.  Weapons of Legacy are NOT suck if you make your own.

Ok. Well seeing as a search only turns up two hits and those are from me asking about where it is where is this guide? From I've seen so far there's only a tiny pool of worthwhile abilities but they all do stuff like boost your attack with that weapon while gimping your attack rolls with all weapons, or lowering all your saves, or some other such BS. It's even worse for NPCs because apparently in addition to being gimped at least as much by their weapon as the weapon helps them they're supposed to get a fairly high CR boost... implying that it is a net gain even though they've crippled themselves, spent their cash on the rituals, and whatever else. Which means they're even more free XP as they're now super easy targets.

Edit: Don't forget you cannot improve them via normal means which means you can't just start crafting to actually get what you want without screwing yourself.

Cunning is an awesome WoL ability that is not that easily reproduced. Contingency 1/day is pretty good, also. And you can get things alot cheaper (money and XP wise) than you could otherwise. Of course, you pay a price, but IMO it is worth it for a well-built Legacy item. Also, you can opt not to upgrade it to the Greater level, avoid losing the highest level spell slots, and still get a damn good item, like this (from that thread):

The Helping Hand
The Helping Hand is a necklace consisting of a small onyx hand hanging from a silver chain. It was developed by a spellcaster who always seemed to need an extra hand. It can telekinetically grab things for you, warn you of impending attacks and even telekinetically bat them away, complete somatic gestures, and catch you if you fall from a height.
Before its greater powers are awakened, the base item is a Hand of the Mage which also provides a +1 Deflection bonus to AC.

Omen: When donned, the Helping Hand gives a "thumbs up" signal to indicate that it is ready to help.
Least Ritual (1,500): The owner must provide one day's community service free of charge.
Lesser Ritual (11,500): The owner must prevent attacks from harming someone else.
Greater Ritual (39,000): The owner must subdue an attacking creature with a CR equal to or greater than his ECL without killing it.

Base item: +1 Deflection and Hand of the Mage (2900 gp)
Abilities gained (Least)
5th: Feather Falling
7th: +2 Defl
10th: +3 Defl.

Abilities gained (Lesser)
11th: Cunning
12th: Still Spell 3/day, up to 6th level spells
14th: +4 Defl.
16th: +5 Defl.

Penalties

So over all you get a +5 Ring of Deflection, Ring of Featherfall, Hand of the Mage, Metamagic Rod of Still Spell, and the Cunning ability all for less than 16,000 gp, one spell slot of 1st-6th level, and a -2 attack penalty.

[Sunic_Flames]

Ok, that's a pretty good link. It mentions the possibility for a handbook. Was that ever done?

Edit: Funny thing I noticed is you apparently cannot make adamantine weapons with this. Or mithril breastplates. Or whatever. Still no handbook, but did find some other stuff.

[Omen of Peace]

Yeah but that link isn't in there

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=15027138

"Weapons of Legacy, they don't all suck"

But there's http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1031050 in the Handy Links, which in turn links to the above and other custom legacies.
It's also the closest we have to a handbook.

Actually, adamantine works. It's the magical part that can't cost above +2/4k - see p181.

Oh, and the Hand of Codzilla is actually illegal since the "metamagic rod" properties can only be taken once each.

[Sunic_Flames]

Q413: Is the Combat Maneuver version of TK considered a 'Charisma-based check' for the purposes of being enhanced by a Circlet of Persuasion?

[skydragonknight]

A413:

Yes. All the maneuvers the spell duplicates are ability checks that rely upon strength or dexterity. The spell says "resolve these attempts as normal, except..." which means they function as the combat maneuvers they duplicate with the given exceptions.
Your casting stat replaces the normal stat associated with the maneuver, though it remains an ability check.
So if the casting stat is Charisma, then it becomes a (modified, when using BAB) Charisma check, which is one thing Circlets of Persuasion, Nymph's Kiss etc. modify.

Edit: A bit of a tangent: if getting Telekinesis via UMD you can choose to emulate either Sorceror or Wizard with the UMD to control which stat governs the check.

[Sunic_Flames]

That + Persist Focusing Chant + pale green Ioun Stone + Stone of Good Luck = 6 + Cha for long range tripping action as a Swift action. Not too shabby when talking about a character expected to end in the mid to high 30s Charisma wise. Obviously it has other benefits, but that makes me chuckle.

[Callix]

That + Persist Focusing Chant + pale green Ioun Stone + Stone of Good Luck = 6 + Cha for long range tripping action as a Swift action. Not too shabby when talking about a character expected to end in the mid to high 30s Charisma wise. Obviously it has other benefits, but that makes me chuckle.

And, of course, nowhere does it say that you ignore size modifiers to the maneuvers. So there's another 8-12 points minimum.

[SKRP]

Q414: How looks a full attack action of a kobold with natural weapons (two claw attacks and bite attack) and shaped Bloodtalons soulmeld? Does he receive a four claw attacks or just two?

[EjoThims]

Q414: How looks a full attack action of a kobold with natural weapons (two claw attacks and bite attack) and shaped Bloodtalons soulmeld? Does he receive a four claw attacks or just two?

Unless the meld (or spell or template or whatever other source of extra claw attacks) grants extra arms to make those extra claw attacks, he only has two attacks, but he uses whichever two do the most damage.

[Sunic_Flames]

That + Persist Focusing Chant + pale green Ioun Stone + Stone of Good Luck = 6 + Cha for long range tripping action as a Swift action. Not too shabby when talking about a character expected to end in the mid to high 30s Charisma wise. Obviously it has other benefits, but that makes me chuckle.

And, of course, nowhere does it say that you ignore size modifiers to the maneuvers. So there's another 8-12 points minimum.

I noticed this too. I presume so it can stay relevant against other big and strong stuff since most of the at will users are Large or bigger. Though I was actually mistaken. The Ioun Stone and the Circlet are both Competence bonuses. It would be 5 + Cha + size.

Still seeking an answer to this:

Q411: A Master of the Unseen Hand 3 can wield a weapon via one of their class abilities, and now has the ability to full attack with such a weapon. So does that mean you get to full attack as a standard action with it? How about if you have that feat that reduces the action time to concentrate? Full attack as a swift action (then do your own full attack with the rest)?