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: Tshern June 09, 2008, 04:51:23 PM
Discuss your character builds, ask me questions and such here.
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: Tshern June 09, 2008, 04:52:40 PM
Read all this before finishing your character.

General knowledge about the campaign


List of specifically allowed modifications/whatnot


Most importantly, gentlemen's agreement is in effect. Anything you use can be used against you.
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: AfterCrescent June 09, 2008, 04:58:50 PM
So who has decided what they're playing?

I'm going Cleric. Either Lockdown, ranged, or Option C...

[spoiler](Option C is undecided Cleric :D)[/spoiler]
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: BowenSilverclaw June 09, 2008, 05:05:08 PM
I'm going wizard, probably generalist (yeah yeah, I know :P) so we won't be lacking anything important since the other wizard will most likely be a Focused Specialist.

Not sure on a race/templates yet, something with a good charisma though, that much is certain...

~Bowen
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: BowenSilverclaw June 09, 2008, 05:06:19 PM
So who has decided what they're playing?

I'm going Cleric. Either Lockdown, ranged, or Option C...

[spoiler](Option C is undecided Cleric :D)[/spoiler]
IIRC the debuffer didn't have the dexterity needed for a Lockdown build, so make of that what you will... ;) :P
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: AfterCrescent June 09, 2008, 05:12:51 PM
True, but do we have a tank? Or ranged support? I'll likely cover whatever we're missing...

@ Tshern: This was brought up elsewhere, so I pose it here. The regional feat Otherwordly in Player's Guide to Faerun has Human/Elf/Halfings of certain regions as a requisite, can a humanoid that isn't one of those take the feat? :angel
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: Irthos Levethix June 09, 2008, 05:25:20 PM
Once I get home, I'll really look at the Spell Compendium and decide whether it'll be Transmutation or Conjuration, but it seems to me that there's already alot of buffing/debuffing going on, so Conjuration sounds the better choice.  Its not like I'm dropping Trans.  Won't know for sure till later tho-
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: BowenSilverclaw June 09, 2008, 05:28:48 PM
Once I get home, I'll really look at the Spell Compendium and decide whether it'll be Transmutation or Conjuration, but it seems to me that there's already alot of buffing/debuffing going on, so Conjuration sounds the better choice.  Its not like I'm dropping Trans.  Won't know for sure till later tho-
I think I'll be leaning more towards Transmutation than Conjuration, for what it's worth ;)

True, but do we have a tank? Or ranged support? I'll likely cover whatever we're missing...
A lockdown would be a decent tank, wouldn't it?? As for ranged support, I think the two arcane guys should be able to handle that. Just some observations, not trying to steer you in any particular direction ;)

~Bowen
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: BowenSilverclaw June 09, 2008, 05:34:08 PM
Okay, so it looks like this is what we've got so far:

Irthos Levethix: Focused Specialist (either Conjuration or Transmutation)
Bowen Silverclaw: Incantatrix/Zhentarim Skymage GOD generalist (possibly with a slight focus on SoL's/SoD's)
Dictum Mortuum: Spellthief
Aftercrescent: Lockdown-Cleric or Archer-Cleric
Llyochn: Debuffer
Mister Sinister: Mounted Charger
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: Tshern June 09, 2008, 05:42:19 PM
@ Tshern: This was brought up elsewhere, so I pose it here. The regional feat Otherwordly in Player's Guide to Faerun has Human/Elf/Halfings of certain regions as a requisite, can a humanoid that isn't one of those take the feat? :angel
Remains as it is.

Bowen: Mister Sinister is playing a mounted charger.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 09, 2008, 06:03:46 PM
@ Tshern: This was brought up elsewhere, so I pose it here. The regional feat Otherwordly in Player's Guide to Faerun has Human/Elf/Halfings of certain regions as a requisite, can a humanoid that isn't one of those take the feat? :angel
Remains as it is.

Bowen: Mister Sinister is playing a mounted charger.
Noted and corrected :)

Quick question, since I don't have my PGtF at hand at the moment: do Lesser Planetouched qualify for the Otherworldly feat?
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: Dictum Mortuum June 09, 2008, 06:12:31 PM
why don't you just buy the LA off if you want the outsider type?
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: Irthos Levethix June 09, 2008, 06:21:26 PM
I would get more out of Polymorph if I went with the LA then, huh.  Seems like that's the route to go, then.  3000xp is pretty paltry compared to that.  I'll look it up when I get home though.
Wow! So all your enemies now are not just some sucky beatsticks anymore. Polymorph makes you foes happy too.

That could get ugly, eh?
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: Tshern June 09, 2008, 06:27:17 PM
I am already planning Illumians with DMM (Heighten), Extra slot and Innate spell. Expect there to be a lot of at will 14th level spells against you.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 09, 2008, 06:31:05 PM
why don't you just buy the LA off if you want the outsider type?
Because I want to slap on the Phrenic template  :D

Also, Tshern, I found this race in Dragon Magazine 297 (unupdated 3.0)(it's also available at crystalkeep.com under the 3.0 section in the file marked 'Creatures'). Would you be willing to let me take this instead of Tiefling? My build-idea could really use all the help it can get in the Charisma department   :)(I figured I'd ask since you said you might accept other material than that mentioned on a case by case basis)
Cansin
(descended from a
Chaotic Outsider and
a Human)
(DR297 p63)
+2 Int
+2 Cha
Outsider (Native)
Fav. class: Sorcerer
• Medium size
• Darkvision 60 ft.
• 30’ movement
• Acid & Fire Resistance 5
• Entropic Shield(PH p200) (1/day) at Character level.
• +2 Racial bonus on Bluff & Search checks
• Level Adjustment +1

Also: Quick question, since I don't have my PGtF at hand at the moment: do Lesser Planetouched qualify for the Otherworldly feat?

~Bowen
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: Tshern June 09, 2008, 06:35:17 PM
No, Lesser planetouched don't qualify.

Yes, you can use that.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 09, 2008, 06:38:48 PM
Thank you :)

Than that will be my race, but with the Lesser Planetouched option and the Phrenic Template, so no Outsider Polymorphing ;) :P

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: Tshern June 09, 2008, 06:46:48 PM
Umm, aren't Lesser planetouched thingees races, not templates?
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: BowenSilverclaw June 09, 2008, 06:51:21 PM
Yes, they're races.

Lesser Cansin (race) +0 LA
Phrenic (template) +2 LA

That was the idea at least...
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: Tshern June 09, 2008, 06:57:42 PM
So you will be editing Cansin to a Lesser planetouched? I understood something wrong then.

Also, Tshern, I found this race in Dragon Magazine 297 (unupdated 3.0)(it's also available at crystalkeep.com under the 3.0 section in the file marked 'Creatures'). Would you be willing to let me take this instead of Tiefling? My build-idea could really use all the help it can get in the Charisma department   (I figured I'd ask since you said you might accept other material than that mentioned on a case by case basis)
At least I don't see where you said that...

But whatever, continue with your musings.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 09, 2008, 07:02:31 PM
You're right, I didn't clarify that in the original post, my apologies.
But yes, I will indeed be using the Lesser Planetouched option found in the back of PGtF.
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: Llochlyn June 09, 2008, 07:37:21 PM
I posted the WIP on the character sheet, so advice and criticisms are open !
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: Dictum Mortuum June 09, 2008, 07:47:07 PM
I may be going combat cleric after all. Can i use the divine version of abjurant champion and maybe a reflavored Ordained Champion of Dispater?
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: Tshern June 09, 2008, 08:00:13 PM
I can actually see Abjurant Champion of Dispater being very flavourful given all the defensive boosts. Yes, you can use both of those given that you are a Cleric of Dispater. I will need to come up with Dispater's domains though. As per Dicefreaks' rules that means six domains... Evil, Law, Tyranny, Knowledge and Inquisition are given but the last one is a tough nut to crack.

Edit: Baator, Evil, Inquisition, Knowledge, Law and Tyranny are his final domains. Locations are SpC, PHB, CD, PHB, PHB and SpC respectively.
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: AfterCrescent June 09, 2008, 10:05:23 PM
Okay so if Dictum is going combat cleric, I'm thinking ranged cleric.

I'd be using a Changeling, grabbing the feat from RoD that makes me count as a human and the Otherworldly feat to be an outsider (human, native, shapechanger) and polymorphing into arrow demons.  What are everyone's thoughts on that? Too dirty/cheesy?

Also, Tshern: The 10th level of Bone Knight makes the armor not able to come off of me... Can I either A)have the armor transform with my polymorph or B) use wilding clasps to keep it?

Edit: While I'm at it, how do you feel about A)Reflavored Initiate of Mystra and B)Extraordinary Spell Aim?
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: Mister_Sinister June 09, 2008, 10:19:36 PM
Several things from my end, Tshern.

1) Are custom magic items allowed?

2) Can I use actual dragonscale as-per the Frank and K rules instead of dragonhide full plate? Frank and K dragonscale is heavy armour with +9 AC bonus, +4 max Dex, -5 ACP. I will pay the same amount for it (3, 300gp before enhancement) if you think it is too good.

3) Any flaws you can suggest for extra feats for my guy? If they are allowed, I would really like to use them.

4) Will deeper darkness protect me from the bad effects of sunlight? In fact, while we're at it, what ways CAN I protect myself from sunlight?

5) How will goggles of day work with the K vampire?

6) Any good feats for a shield user? I know lance and board isn't exactly efficient, but Frank and K's knight makes it worthwhile.

Thanks
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: AfterCrescent June 10, 2008, 12:45:47 AM
Does anyone know where I can find Frank and K's stuff so I can see if anything is worthwhile for my ideas?

Edit: Tshern, might I suggest Planning as the final domain instead of Baator. Baator actually counts as 2 domains, if you want to get technical, while, from what i understand, Planning fits right up his Iron Grace's portfolio. :D
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: Mister_Sinister June 10, 2008, 01:13:43 AM
Frank and K stuff is here.  (http://turing.bard.edu/~mk561/frank_k_0.5.1.pdf)
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: BowenSilverclaw June 10, 2008, 06:05:55 AM
Okay so if Dictum is going combat cleric, I'm thinking ranged cleric.

I'd be using a Changeling, grabbing the feat from RoD that makes me count as a human and the Otherworldly feat to be an outsider (human, native, shapechanger) and polymorphing into arrow demons.  What are everyone's thoughts on that? Too dirty/cheesy?
I don't know about the rest, but I don't have any problems with you polymorphing into an Arrow Demon. The only problem I can see is some fluff issues since we work for a DEVIL and all that :P
Also, Tshern: The 10th level of Bone Knight makes the armor not able to come off of me... Can I either A)have the armor transform with my polymorph or B) use wilding clasps to keep it?
Wouldn't you keep it even in a polymorphed form since it's granted by a class ability?
Edit: While I'm at it, how do you feel about A)Reflavored Initiate of Mystra and B)Extraordinary Spell Aim?
Pick up a Roar of Effort tm as well while you're at it ;) :P

About my character, I originally intended to go with a Shentarim Skymage GOD Wizard, but I would need a crapton of charisma to make my mount viable which really kills my dexterity and constitution.

My thought about any options concerning this problem so far:
1) Keep Dex and Con at a 10 and suck it up.
2) Play a Sorcerer instead so I can focus on Cha and my Dex and Con will be decent (~14-16)(and try to be as much of a GOD as possible with the limited spell selection...Yeah, not gonna work  :wall)
3) Go with a Mounted Charger Sorcadin and abandon the GOD concept. This does mean delaying entry into Abjurant Champion by quite some time though, so it will be more of a Sorcerer with 2 Paladin levels than a true Sorcadin at least untill around level 16...
4) Abandon the dragon mount idea and go with a standard GOD opening up more room for Incantatrix and Fatespinner and keeping my other stats besides Int somewhat decent as well.

Any thoughts about this, you guys?
I'm currently leaning towards option 3 or 4. The highest number of HD for my mount I can get with option 1 would be around  14 HD maximum, with options 2 and 3 it would be around 16 HD maximum.


~Bowen

EDIT: Okay, so the best I can get if I stick with option 2 or 3 would be something like a Juvenile Blue Dragon, not all that uber...

Unless someone convinces me to play something else, I'll go with a Tiefling GOD Wizard.
I don't think I'll go with the Phrenic Lesser Tiefling, since that would set me back 16000 XP, which means I would start out at level 10. Experience may be a river, but lagging behind 2 levels seems like a bit too much, unless you guys think the Spell Resistance of 25 (including gear) would be totally worth it :P
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: Dictum Mortuum June 10, 2008, 06:29:46 AM
Damn, we don't have a skill monkey :(

So here are my ideas:

Combat cleric (Cloistered Cleric 4/Ordained Champion 5/Abjurant Champion 3) with Power Attack, DMM (Persistent), Knowledge Devotion and Holy Warrior.
Spellthief 11 with imp familiar (btw, can i buy a psychic reformation) ?
Cleric Skillz (Factotum 1/Cloistered Cleric 11)
Swift Hunter (Scout 4/Cloistered Cleric 1/Ranger 7)
Strange Cleric Skillz (Beguiler 1/Cloistered Cleric 4/Ardent Dilettante 7)
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: AfterCrescent June 10, 2008, 06:59:30 AM
I don't know about the rest, but I don't have any problems with you polymorphing into an Arrow Demon. The only problem I can see is some fluff issues since we work for a DEVIL and all that :P
Well that's only if I go ranged, and the character concept will be akin to the Iron Grace himself, supreme paranoia. If that has me being a demon in body in combat, so be it. I'll still be LE to the core, and I won't be persisting it :P

But it's just a thought, and I need to see what everyone else is planning first :D
Wouldn't you keep it even in a polymorphed form since it's granted by a class ability?
The class ability fuses my armor to me. The armor itself is not a class ability, so RAW it would meld into me when polymorphed (I think). I'd love if it didn't, but I want clarification, just in case :)

Pick up a Roar of Effort tm as well while you're at it ;) :P
Goes back to the paranoia ;). Have to ask. Likely won't take either, but I like to consider all possibilities, you know. Who knows, maybe I'll grab the Roar too ;)

1) Keep Dex and Con at a 10 and suck it up.
Con at 10? And a wizard? I may be crazy, but that sounds like a BAD idea.

2) Play a Sorcerer instead so I can focus on Cha and my Dex and Con will be decent (~14-16)(and try to be as much of a GOD as possible with the limited spell selection...Yeah, not gonna work  :wall)
Also not a great idea to be GOD in sorc form, but could be a decent arcane non-GOD :shrug

3) Go with a Mounted Charger Sorcadin and abandon the GOD concept. This does mean delaying entry into Abjurant Champion by quite some time though, so it will be more of a Sorcerer with 2 Paladin levels than a true Sorcadin at least untill around level 16...
4) Abandon the dragon mount idea and go with a standard GOD opening up more room for Incantatrix and Fatespinner and keeping my other stats besides Int somewhat decent as well.
Sorcadins interest me, but Incantrix >> Sorcadin, power wise. It's really your call.

EDIT: Okay, so the best I can get if I stick with option 2 or 3 would be something like a Juvenile Blue Dragon, not all that uber...
Go thrallherd and get a mind-slave dragon ;)  :lol

Unless someone convinces me to play something else, I'll go with a Tiefling GOD Wizard.
I don't think I'll go with the Phrenic Lesser Tiefling, since that would set me back 16000 XP, which means I would start out at level 10. Experience may be a river, but lagging behind 2 levels seems like a bit too much, unless you guys think the Spell Resistance of 25 (including gear) would be totally worth it :P
Phrenic is HOT. That being said, it's your call. Frank and K have a tiefling outsider without LA so you don't need the lesser version, just fyi...

@ Dictum: Any of those sound good, really. :D
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: BowenSilverclaw June 10, 2008, 07:32:18 AM
Damn, we don't have a skill monkey :(

So here are my ideas:

Combat cleric (Cloistered Cleric 4/Ordained Champion 5/Abjurant Champion 3) with Power Attack, DMM (Persistent), Knowledge Devotion and Holy Warrior.
Spellthief 11 with imp familiar (btw, can i buy a psychic reformation) ?
Cleric Skillz (Factotum 1/Cloistered Cleric 11)
Swift Hunter (Scout 4/Cloistered Cleric 1/Ranger 7)
Strange Cleric Skillz (Beguiler 1/Cloistered Cleric 4/Ardent Dilettante 7)

I vote for either the Combat Cleric, the Cleric Skillz (since that would actually get us a skill monkey) or the Spellthief (again the skill monkey thing, but also because I haven't seen a Spellthief in action yet and because Imps ROCK! :P)

~Bowen
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: Tshern June 10, 2008, 07:50:22 AM
After: Why do you need Extraordinary spell aim reflavoured? Would you remind me where is it from?  Wilding clasps+Bone knight armor is okay, but Initiate of Mystra rewrite is not as it makes no sense to gods with no magic portfolio.

M_S: 1. Custom items must be run through me. 2. Yes, that is okay, pay half the price for it. 3. They are allowed and if you find additional flaws from web sites they can be used after my scrutiny. You could take Shaky, you're not into ranged attacks anyway. 4. Yes, but you need to come up with something yourself or ask your fellow players. I do not know. 5. Goggles of day?
6. Shield ward (I think) adds your shield bonus to touch AC...

: aftercrescent
Edit: Tshern, might I suggest Planning as the final domain instead of Baator. Baator actually counts as 2 domains, if you want to get technical, while, from what i understand, Planning fits right up his Iron Grace's portfolio.
Why does it count as two domains? Moreover, Planning would be a better substitution for Knowledge, but knowing the reasons why you want it to be used... I'll think about it.

Bowen: Don't bother going mounted charger. You've got plenty of melee and even a mounted charger already.
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: AfterCrescent June 10, 2008, 07:57:50 AM
I don't need extraordinary spell aim reflavored so much as I wanted an opinion on the cheese factor involved, because it would allow me to persist an AMF that didn't affect me... :smirk

It's from Complete Adventurer or Complete Warrior, I always forget.

The Planar domains count as 2 domains, it's mentioned at the beginning of the planar domain section, iirc.

@ Tshern, would you allow a reworked Tashalatora feat that stacked monk with clerical casting instead of psionic manifestation? :angel
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: BowenSilverclaw June 10, 2008, 08:03:40 AM
I don't need extraordinary spell aim reflavored so much as I wanted an opinion on the cheese factor involved, because it would allow me to persist an AMF that didn't affect me... :smirk
I wouldn't mind if you did this, just don't come crying to me when Tshern sends in the Orb Artillery or some Warblades with a Roar of Efforttm :P

EDIT: I've decided to go with a GOD wizard, a Phrenic Tiefling (F&K's version if that's okay with you, Tshern?). This does mean I'll start at level 10 though, but I think (hope ;)) I'll manage :P

~Bowen
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: AfterCrescent June 10, 2008, 08:11:50 AM
Okay, so based off this...

Irthos Levethix: GOD
Bowen Silverclaw: GOD
Dictum Mortuum: Spellthief or Skill-Cleric or Swifthunter
Aftercrescent: Melee Cleric or Ranged Cleric
Llyochn: Debuffer
Mister Sinister: Mounted Charger

Sounds about right? So DM, I pose to you, do you want the ranged role or should I take it? Or do we leave it to the GODs and I go melee while you go skill or spellthief?
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: Tshern June 10, 2008, 08:36:46 AM
Bowen, you didn't drop the lowest die in your rolls.
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: AfterCrescent June 10, 2008, 08:46:33 AM
Okay, so in addition to a reworked tashalatora, I have a couple Frank & K questions
How do you feel about the Boneblade Reaper and their version of Zen Archery?
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: BowenSilverclaw June 10, 2008, 08:55:25 AM
Bowen, you didn't drop the lowest die in your rolls.
I just checked, and I did drop the lowest die. I did however forget to include adjustments for the Phrenic template. I updated it and clarified which roll was used for which ability :)

~Bowen
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: AfterCrescent June 10, 2008, 08:57:21 AM
Bowen, you're supposed to drop the lowest of the four dice you roll. So a 6,6,5,4 is not a 21, it's a 17 (you drop the 4 and only count the 6,6,5) :D
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: Tshern June 10, 2008, 09:04:18 AM
What he said.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 10, 2008, 09:04:32 AM
Bowen, you're supposed to drop the lowest of the four dice you roll. So a 6,6,5,4 is not a 21, it's a 17 (you drop the 4 and only count the 6,6,5) :D
Which I did, didn't I?
I had the dice roller roll 4d6 6 times, and posted that result. I then took away the lowest die of each roll, and proceeded to asign them to ability scores and add racial/template/level/free modifiers.
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: AfterCrescent June 10, 2008, 09:08:57 AM
Yup you did. :blush Sorry, I got confused when you said Roll 2: 21 and somehow read the drop 4 as a penalty of 4... oops
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: BowenSilverclaw June 10, 2008, 09:10:32 AM
It's ok, miscommunications happen on teh intarwebz :P

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: Tshern June 10, 2008, 09:13:23 AM
Then it's cool. I didn't go recheck when I read after's comment. Out of curiosity, is no-one taking the point buy option?
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: BowenSilverclaw June 10, 2008, 09:32:03 AM
So, I'll definitely go Incantatrix and dump Enchantment, but would it be worth it to dump 2 more schools to get my hands on Abrupt Jaunt?

Evocation would obviously have to go then, but what about the other school I'll have to ban? I kinda like the debuff options Necromancy gives me and Illusion will really help with surviving if I get in a tight spot...
Abjuration can't be banned because of Incantrix and as for Transmutation, anyone who gives that up deserves a swift kick in the nuts  :P

So, just suck it up and use Anklets of Translocation instead?  ???

~Bowen
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: AfterCrescent June 10, 2008, 09:44:59 AM
Really obscure request time :D

Tshern, can we adapt the saint to a vile creature. "Anti-Saint", "Vile Saint", "Corrupt Saint", "Cardinal of Hell", "Pastor of the Nine", etc?
Change the Good alignment to evil
Require 3 Vile feats instead of 3 exalted feats.
Probably change the immunities to what devils get instead... etc

Doable?
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: Mister_Sinister June 10, 2008, 09:56:50 AM
In answer to your curiousity question, Tshern, I am going point-buy.  :D
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: AfterCrescent June 10, 2008, 09:57:49 AM
In answer to your curiousity question, Tshern, I am going point-buy.  :D
Don't want to gamble your luck, eh ;)
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: Mister_Sinister June 10, 2008, 10:15:54 AM
Aftercrescent, my luck with dice resembles the luck of Japanese tourists going to Vegas. If you know what I mean.  :P
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: AfterCrescent June 10, 2008, 10:29:05 AM
Aftercrescent, my luck with dice resembles the luck of Japanese tourists going to Vegas. If you know what I mean.  :P
Aren't you playing a mounted charger? Aren't you worried about attack rolls ;)
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: Mister_Sinister June 10, 2008, 10:35:15 AM
I lose sleep every day over attack rolls. Hence, the impaling enhancement is my friend. Well, that, and an attack routine of 20/15/10. Which should mean I hit something. Eventually. :P
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: Tshern June 10, 2008, 02:39:24 PM
Aftercrescent: Saint reflavour is a no. Mostly because it is a crazy PrC.
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: Dictum Mortuum June 10, 2008, 03:49:55 PM
So, can i get a psychic reformation on my familiar or no?
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: Tshern June 10, 2008, 04:55:51 PM
Sure.
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: AfterCrescent June 10, 2008, 05:30:32 PM
That's cool, Saint is a crazy template, but I had to ask ;)

So are you cool with Frank & K's version of feats (Zen Archery in particular, but I haven't read them all yet)?

Incase you missed it: Would you allow a Tashalatora reflavor to be divine casting instead of Psionic?
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: Tshern June 10, 2008, 08:22:24 PM
I'd like people to use normal versions of feats when possible. Where is Tashalatora from, I need to read it to make that judgement. Secrets of Sarlona?
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: Tshern June 10, 2008, 08:34:37 PM
Oh yeah, I just recalled this:

WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?!

We are having an evil campaign and you know what our Ur-Priest count is? Zero, zip, nada! Shame on you, guys and Mister_Sinister.
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: Llochlyn June 10, 2008, 08:43:03 PM
Me no wantee spells ! Me wantee hit things... And trigger a bazillion things on the way. 
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: Tshern June 10, 2008, 08:58:56 PM
Llochlyn is excused due to the great deal of help he gave me today. The rest of you are still without an explanation.
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: Mister_Sinister June 10, 2008, 09:15:12 PM
Much as I like the ur-priest, I don't like having to draw decision trees while playing DnD. I would much rather, you know,  play DnD.  :P I mean, honestly, I'd rather have anything than a full caster. They hurt my brain.
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: AfterCrescent June 11, 2008, 02:09:05 AM
aftercrescent <3s domains

That being said, if you'd like ur-priest of doom, I suppost I can pull one out. ;)

Tshern would you allow Sacred Exorcist to be reflavored so I can get me some delicious turning?

Also, Tashalatora is from Secrets of Sarlona. I was thinking of Monk/Cleric/Boneblade Reaper (from Frank and K's stuff) but would need the feat reflavored.
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: Tshern June 11, 2008, 06:39:22 AM
I'll have a look, but Boneblade Reaper might be going through some changes just as M_S' stuff did. Frank and K seem to be prone to get carried away with their ideas.

Edit: Okay, seeing the first ability alone... Oh well, that is not going to stay as written.
Edit2: Wtf is wrong with that class? Oh yeah, it reminds me of Lightning Warrior. No wonder you seem so fond of it.

There are plenty of sources for Turn undead, no need for Sacred Excorcist.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 11, 2008, 07:11:18 AM
No Ur-Priest for me, since I'm going the arcane route which will pro'ly give me enough headaches seeing as this will be my first wizard in a long time and the first one in a CO party :P

~Bowen
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: Tshern June 11, 2008, 07:26:24 AM
So I just need to use them against you. No problem.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 11, 2008, 07:45:13 AM
So that's level 7 spells already assuming they're just level 12, and probably level 8/9 spells if you go with the whole associated class levels crap...
Mmh, Minotaur or Ogre Ur-Priests :P

~Bowen
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: Mister_Sinister June 11, 2008, 08:00:45 AM
That is why I am glad both my mount and I have SR and decent saves (stupid dragons...).

Edit: Would one of our friendly party arcanists be willing to cast greater mage armour on my dragon? I will buy a pearl of power for that level of spell for whoever is interested.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 11, 2008, 08:33:04 AM
I think I could be persuaded  ;)

By the way, what kind of dragon do you have as your mount?

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: AfterCrescent June 11, 2008, 10:00:29 AM
So Dictum, what character have you decided on? I don't want to step on any toes...
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: AfterCrescent June 11, 2008, 10:22:04 AM
There are plenty of sources for Turn undead, no need for Sacred Excorcist.
Can you give me a suggestion then? :D I checked the list of stuff, but without cleric or losing a significant amount in the caster level area, I'm not seeing how...
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: Mister_Sinister June 11, 2008, 10:34:21 AM
BowenSilverClaw: A red dracolich. :D
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: Tshern June 11, 2008, 11:59:01 AM
Aren't you going to be a Cleric anyway?
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: AfterCrescent June 11, 2008, 08:43:07 PM
Was contemplating an archivist base.
Also contemplating an Ur-priest.

The Ur and Cleric get turning so I'm covered there, but if I go archivist, I'd ned turning somehow.  Pretty much the only thing set in stone is the Bone Knight PrC, I'm waiting on DM to decide his build so I don't step on his toes with mine :D
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: Tshern June 11, 2008, 08:55:30 PM
I still haven't read that Boneblade Reaper fully, but it is going to get hit quite hard. I'll try to go it through tomorrow.
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: Mister_Sinister June 11, 2008, 11:32:50 PM
What in particular bothers you about the boneblade reaper, Tshern? I wanna know for the purposes of helping out.
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: AfterCrescent June 11, 2008, 11:40:38 PM
The key reason I was looking at it was full casting and an evil class feature version of Greater Luminous Armor. But it's likely that's getting the nerf bat, and nothing else really screams "take me" about the class, so I'm probably going to stick with the Bone Knight.  An Ur-Priest Bone Knight may be doable, as could a Cleric Bone Knight. But without Sacred Exorcist, an Archivist Bone Knight is likely out, so I'm down to two options and I just have to decide what role I'm to be playing and figure out which fits that better.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 12, 2008, 04:44:58 AM
BowenSilverClaw: A red dracolich. :D
Nice :D
How many HD/what age category?

EDIT: Any ideas for flaws for a wizard, you guys?
Right now I think I'll go with Noncombatant for the first for obvious reasons, any thoughts about what my second one should be?



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: Tshern June 12, 2008, 09:36:19 AM
Murky-eyed?

Also, regarding your characters, feel free to invent stuff to your background stories. Naming towns is okay as it pretty much everything else.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 12, 2008, 09:56:18 AM
Yeah, I was thinking about that one as well...
Very well, Murky Eyed it is then :)

EDIT: Except for gear and spell selection my character sheet is mostly done. Any comments?
Tshern, how do we determine HP? Max for level 1 and average after that or what?

~Bowen
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: Tshern June 12, 2008, 12:08:51 PM
Max 1, average the rest.
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: Tshern June 12, 2008, 12:11:08 PM
I need to read F and K Tiefling. Where's Touch of Captivation from? Why no Metagaming storm?
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: BowenSilverclaw June 12, 2008, 12:38:43 PM
Last question about averaging.
Would that be a 2.5 for a d4 class? With the rounding down rule that will allways be 2 hp/level.
Could you be persuaded to going with average+0.5 for even levels and average-0.5 for odd levels? (so 3 hp at even and 2 at odd for a d4, 4/3 for a d6, 5/4 for a d8 etc.) Just a thought since it evens out at the same HP total as average would if it didn't lose .5 hp per level...

~Bowen
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: BowenSilverclaw June 12, 2008, 12:44:54 PM
I need to read F and K Tiefling. Where's Touch of Captivation from? Why no Metagaming storm?
If you don't allow the F&K Tiefling I'll go with a Lesser Tiefling instead, no problem there.
Touch of Captivation is from Player's Guide to Eberron, p.35.
Metamagic Storm I hadn't thought about yet, maybe I'll do that for Sculpt Spell so I can squeeze in another more useful feat (maybe Otherworldly if you don't allow the F&K Tiefling? ;))

~Bowen
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: Dictum Mortuum June 12, 2008, 04:57:11 PM
Are age bonuses/penalties ok?
I intent to use an undead template to make the con penalty go away.
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: Llochlyn June 12, 2008, 11:40:52 PM
Sheet up and done at, say, 98% even if the exact number is arguable.

I'm facing one little issue : is it worth letting go of Animal or Protection devotion (I like them both a lot) in order to get one little Rhino's Rush a day (wich, with the dragonborn flying charge, could let me perform a triple damage charge)...

I think not, but might be convinced otherwise.

Also, if you have suggestions about equipment to fill the holes or to modify, I'm eager to hear them, I suck at shopping.
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: AfterCrescent June 13, 2008, 02:36:30 AM
Tshern, how do you feel about the Serenity feat from Dragon Compendium?
[spoiler](http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8674/serenityvf1.png)[/spoiler]
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: Tshern June 13, 2008, 09:47:11 AM
Isn't Dragon Compendium legal WotC stuff?

Dictum: Yes, they're cool.
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: AfterCrescent June 13, 2008, 09:49:43 AM
Yeah, but I just wanted to run it by you first. Never hurts to ask :D
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: Irthos Levethix June 13, 2008, 11:14:40 AM
Can the Arcane Trickster's alignment restriction be dropped?  The more I look into it, the more I like the Spellwarp Sniper, but the only PrC that I've found to follow it is AT, and I can't be lawful.  Thats crap.  I can totally see LE being quite 'tricky', as far as getting over on people.  Does anyone see problems from me playing arcane ranged support in the form of blasting spells?  I know I was thinking about a GOD type, but this guy seems like alot of fun.  Thoughts?
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: Tshern June 13, 2008, 11:18:02 AM
If you are willing to consider being a Sorcerer, have a look at Wings of Flurry. Turning that to a ray takes away the reflex save, so it does 1d6 force damage/CL and automatically dazes the opponent!

But I think dropping the requirement is fine, unless other players protest.
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: Llochlyn June 13, 2008, 11:35:59 AM
Alignment restrictions are sometimes stoopid ! No problem for me ! (it's not as if AT had an easy entry too)
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: Dictum Mortuum June 13, 2008, 12:13:33 PM
I finally made up my mind :P I'm going for a swift hunter :D
So, here's the problem. I want to get the travel domain (to swap it for the relevant feat). Here's the question: Do we have to worsip Dispater or be evil? Can we be neutral?
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: BowenSilverclaw June 13, 2008, 02:08:00 PM
Last question about averaging.
Would that be a 2.5 for a d4 class? With the rounding down rule that will allways be 2 hp/level.
Could you be persuaded to going with average+0.5 for even levels and average-0.5 for odd levels? (so 3 hp at even and 2 at odd for a d4, 4/3 for a d6, 5/4 for a d8 etc.) Just a thought since it evens out at the same HP total as average would if it didn't lose .5 hp per level...

~Bowen
Have you thought about this yet, Tshern?

Sheet up and done at, say, 98% even if the exact number is arguable.

I'm facing one little issue : is it worth letting go of Animal or Protection devotion (I like them both a lot) in order to get one little Rhino's Rush a day (wich, with the dragonborn flying charge, could let me perform a triple damage charge)...

I think not, but might be convinced otherwise.

Also, if you have suggestions about equipment to fill the holes or to modify, I'm eager to hear them, I suck at shopping.
Could you squeeze in a feat for Battle Jump? That should give you double damage on all charges made from 5' above your opponent and higher IIRC...

Rhino's Rush is a really fun spell, but I would suggest trying to get it more than once a day if you ditch a Devotion, mayve a Pearl of Power or something, I don't know how you want to cast it. Or up your UMD score (cross class) and pump charisma and get a masterwork tool and a competence item to use a wand in a Wand Chamber?

Also, I'm okay with the dropping of alignment restrictions :)

~Bowen
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: Irthos Levethix June 13, 2008, 02:17:30 PM
I can't remember what page it's on, but theres a chart for average HP in the DMG, because of how high hit points don't help as much as low hit points hurt.  IIRC, it went like max HP at first, then 2, 3, 2, 3 (for d4 HP) and the like.  Just check the index for hit points, or maybe the sidebar list at the back of the DMG.  I'm AFB, or I'd give you the page number.
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: Dictum Mortuum June 13, 2008, 02:36:58 PM
Who is gonna cover trapfinding :P?
I could, but i don't like trapfinding.
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: Tshern June 13, 2008, 03:00:17 PM
Dictum: Worshipping Dispater is by no means necessary, but lawful evil is a must.
Bowen: Average for d4 is 2.5.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 13, 2008, 03:14:49 PM
I understand that, Tshern, but my point was more that with the method that Irthos explained somewhat better than me you don't waste .5 hp per level (not to nag or bitch, just explaining ;))

So, 2 hp +con mod for a d4 then if I understand correctly, Tshern?
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: Tshern June 13, 2008, 03:39:12 PM
Urgh, read your post too quickly. You all should use the method Irthos posted.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 13, 2008, 03:48:43 PM
Will do, thank you :)

~Bowen
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: Irthos Levethix June 13, 2008, 04:11:16 PM
That should totally get my G-fu raised back to 0!

and then hopefully people will leave it the hell alone :P

P.S.  I'm most likely going Wizard/Rogue/Spellwarp Sniper => Arcane Trickster, but that is sooooo not making me the trapfinder.  I've got nothing against using Ranged Legerdemain to disarm them, though.  Sorry Dictum, my ray-launching ass is staying in the middle of the marching order.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 13, 2008, 05:53:28 PM
G-Fu back at neutral ;)

~Bowen
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: Llochlyn June 14, 2008, 01:15:41 AM
Hm, level 1 pearls of power are not expensive at all... I can get snazzy earrings for a couple grands and have up to 5 rhino rushes a day with 4 pearls (they are unslotted right ?)

That would then probably get more use than the Animal domain power (+6 str is nice but more damage on a charge is really handy). Also, I like the sound of the word Wrath. Fits the character much better than doing animalities. I'd get no use at all from the domain granted power, but rhino's rush is worth it.

As for battle jump, it seems to work with natural flying, so it could work. I could get triple damage on "flying charges", and up to X4 with rhino's rush... It does help a lot with the damage department. I guess I will take "Extra granted maneuver" off, and pick it up later.
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: AfterCrescent June 14, 2008, 02:26:58 AM
Just remember it's a standard action to use the pearl, so it's not as effective in the middle of combat...
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: BowenSilverclaw June 14, 2008, 07:46:10 AM
Yep, just use Rhino's Rush for your alpha strike and pray that the awesomeness of Battle Jump will be enough for the rest of the combat :P

EDIT: Llochlyn, make sure to pick up a Pectoral of Greater Maneuverability from the Draconomicon to make the most of your aerial combat strategies and maneuvers :)

~Bowen
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: Llochlyn June 14, 2008, 10:31:08 PM
Well, pearl of power both Updraft and Rhino's rush in between encounters seems like a good preparation.

For the pectoral, I haven't got draconomicon but as the "not greater" one costs 12K, erm, it's going to have to wait a bit. But yeah, good stuff, might save some feats
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: AfterCrescent June 15, 2008, 03:28:13 AM
Tshern, I know you gave Dispater some domains, but does he actually count as a god? I.e. Can I be an ur-priest of a sect aiming at elevating his Iron Grace to godhood?
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: Tshern June 15, 2008, 04:37:23 PM
He is not a god, he is a cosmic entity. Go ahead with that flavour.
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: Llochlyn June 15, 2008, 05:32:09 PM
I was reminded I can't fly in heavy armour. I'll work a way around that in the next few days, and it will probably include some equipment shuffle.

Races of the Dragon p101 is wro-o-hooooong, checked FAQ and all. All clear.
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: Tshern June 15, 2008, 05:55:30 PM
That sucks. Mithral fullplate then?

But remember peeps, no hurry, I will be spending Friday and Saturday out of town and possibly the beginning of Sunday as well and then crawl to work after the huge Midsummer festivities. Don't expect me to make any final checks before Monday.
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: Dictum Mortuum June 15, 2008, 06:19:48 PM
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=60310

Here's a first draft. If you see any problem, please let me know.
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: Tshern June 15, 2008, 06:35:41 PM
Where is Metal intolerance from? I expect to see a great fluff seeing that you are intolerant to metal in the realm of eternal iron. I am not shooting this down, I just want to see a nice story for this.

Also, Ardent? Are you meaning something else than the psionic class? If so, where is it located?
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: Dictum Mortuum June 15, 2008, 07:49:28 PM
Where is Metal intolerance from? I expect to see a great fluff seeing that you are intolerant to metal in the realm of eternal iron. I am not shooting this down, I just want to see a nice story for this.

Also, Ardent? Are you meaning something else than the psionic class? If so, where is it located?

Damn you are right about the iron. I don't want to make a crazy story, i prefer to swap it for an other flaw. It's from a dragon magazine.

Ardent is ardent dilletante (or something like that) from planar handbook.
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: Irthos Levethix June 15, 2008, 10:27:38 PM
Is Domain wizard generally considered cheese, or can I use it?  Also, once you have a class skill, is it a class skill for all classes?  Meaning can I spend skill points from wizard on Spot, or something?
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: JanusJones June 16, 2008, 01:19:44 AM
I'm out of my work-hole, and here's a sweet 12th level game . . .

No room, is there?   :love
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: Llochlyn June 16, 2008, 10:37:50 AM
When one of your classes gives you a class skills, it sets the cap a level + 3 ranks. You still have to spend 2 skill points to raise it by one if it's not a class skill for that level (unless you use able learner)
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: Tshern June 16, 2008, 11:13:25 AM
I'm out of my work-hole, and here's a sweet 12th level game . . .

No room, is there?   :love
Sorry man, as much as I'd love to have you as a player we're all full here. Even sold the first reservation spot to skydragonknight. I could co-DM another version of this game though, but I can't do that alone, that'd be way beyond my capabilities.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 16, 2008, 12:18:57 PM
Is Domain wizard generally considered cheese, or can I use it?  Also, once you have a class skill, is it a class skill for all classes?  Meaning can I spend skill points from wizard on Spot, or something?
Well. the skill thing got explained by by Llochlyn already :) As for the Domain Wizard thing, I don't see a problem with it, go ahead. I may even use it myself as well, I completely forgot about it until you mentioned it :P

~Bowen
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: Irthos Levethix June 16, 2008, 01:06:41 PM
Can someone answer my question in "Ask a simple Question"?  And I still think the Split Ray Ray of Ice thing would trigger a SA on the 2nd ray, being as I roll 2 attack rolls.  What say you, DM?
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: BowenSilverclaw June 16, 2008, 01:16:18 PM
Can someone answer my question in "Ask a simple Question"?  And I still think the Split Ray Ray of Ice thing would trigger a SA on the 2nd ray, being as I roll 2 attack rolls.  What say you, DM?
I'm not Tshern, but IIRC you only apply SA once to spells such as Scorching Ray or Twinned/Split Ray'd ray spells that give you multiple attack rolls according to the volley rules (I believe they're in the Complete Arcane, not sure though...)

~Bowen
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: Irthos Levethix June 16, 2008, 02:12:34 PM
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=60558 (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=60558)
Thats what I have up so far, there's a buttload of stuff on a notebook at home though.  Tshern, do you want me to convert it to the format for this board, or is that okay?  I totally ripped that from Dictum, just looked less time-consuming.

Btw, I know that you can't apply SA dice to more than one ray.  With the Ray of Ice, I think that the first ray would freeze them to the ground, denying Dex, making the 2nd ray a Sneak Attack.  Now, they're fired simultaneously, but I have to roll twice.  The fact that I make 2 attack rolls makes me think that since he would be denied his Dex once he got stuck to the ground, the 2nd ray would be a Sneak Attack.  I just wanted more than one opinion from the guy on the Simple Question thread.

Also, do you guys think the Dark template is worth it?  +1 LA for Hide in Plain Sight, basicly, with a couple other goodies.  Could synergize really well with being a sniper, as long as I pump up Hide.  Has pretty good flavor, too, being a Dark Tiefling working for Dispater.
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: Tshern June 16, 2008, 02:42:53 PM
Put a link to that to the character thread for easy reference. That's enough.
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: AfterCrescent June 16, 2008, 06:21:21 PM
Dark Template can be purchased with an item, so I'd avoid wasting a LA on it...
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: Irthos Levethix June 17, 2008, 09:09:21 AM
What item?  Where is it?
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: BowenSilverclaw June 17, 2008, 10:03:09 AM
I think it's called the Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis and IIRC it's located in the Tome of Magic...

~Bowen
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: AfterCrescent June 17, 2008, 02:42:10 PM
Yup. That's the item. :D
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: Irthos Levethix June 17, 2008, 03:01:42 PM
Sweet, I'll look it up when I get home.  What does it do, anyway?

Btw, any neat ideas for equipment/feats?  Howbout spells you guys would like the wizards to have?
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: AfterCrescent June 17, 2008, 03:34:05 PM
22K for a continual Dark template or 10.8K for 10 minutes of it/day divided as you see fit.
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: Irthos Levethix June 17, 2008, 03:54:08 PM
Excellent, Smithers.... excellent. :evillaugh
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: Tshern June 18, 2008, 05:25:55 PM
I plan on making yet another thread to which I post most relevant information about the setting, important characters and whatnot. There I will be adding possible loot, riddles and the like for easy reference. Does that sound like waste of space or an idea worth trying?
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: AfterCrescent June 18, 2008, 05:29:25 PM
I think it sounds like a good idea. In a PbP, loot can get confusing, and and NPCs too...
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: Tshern June 18, 2008, 05:37:54 PM
And even if I posted them here, they might get lost at some point.
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: Irthos Levethix June 18, 2008, 05:39:00 PM
Seems like a good idea to me.
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: Tshern June 18, 2008, 05:39:26 PM
Oh yeah, if you want something specific added to the info compilation ask for it here.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 18, 2008, 05:42:34 PM
Sounds like a good idea, Tshern :)

Also, some RL stuff came up for me which I have to take care of this week, so my spell- and equipment lists won't be up 'till next week.
Sorry for the delay, everyone.

By the way Tshern, how do you feel about using F&K's Tiefling like I asked a little while ago? I don't believe you've either allowed it or shot it down yet, so I figured I'd ask again.

~Bowen
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: Tshern June 18, 2008, 05:44:35 PM
You can use it.

And no worries, I can do pretty much nothing for the game before next week either.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 18, 2008, 05:48:23 PM
Thank you :)

And I'm glad I'm not the only one who's been delayed, at least I'm not the only one delaying the game this way :P

~Bowen
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: Tshern June 18, 2008, 05:52:10 PM
If it's any condolence to you, I told in my first post that the game won't start before next week. So we're the ones who are on schedule, other guys are just hasty. Well, everyone who follows my schedule is bound to be right, eh?
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: Irthos Levethix June 18, 2008, 05:53:15 PM
I've been procrastinating on finishing up my character.  I always hated creating PCs above 1st level, because I have so many feat choices to consider.  Much easier when I'm actually playing to figure out what he needs next and so forth.  You guys should really see my notebook lol
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: BowenSilverclaw June 18, 2008, 05:54:07 PM
I always have the same problem with selecting spells and magic items, not so much with feats though...

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: AfterCrescent June 18, 2008, 05:59:53 PM
Whew... Here I was thinking the fact that I'm fighting off sickness (which is keeping the optimizing half of my brain from functioning...) and holding everyone back, but it seems I'm on schedule. Yay :D  I should have the Ur-Knight up for next week.
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: Llochlyn June 18, 2008, 07:26:06 PM
Me, hasty ? Noooooo... Just bored !

[in before : "that's what she said", thanks]
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: Irthos Levethix June 18, 2008, 09:02:41 PM
Reading on Arcane Trickster, the description doesn't say you gain Spells Known with spells per day.  This is about the only class I've found that doesn't say that, and I've always thought it was just a typo, but whats the ruling on this one?

Also, can Devil-Touched feats (Fiendish Codex II) qualify for the Elder Evil devotion?
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: AfterCrescent June 18, 2008, 11:49:47 PM
Also, can Devil-Touched feats (Fiendish Codex II) qualify for the Elder Evil devotion?
By a strict reading, no. But then again only the vile feats in Elder Evils count for dedication. If Tshern wants to open up all vile feats and/or Devil-Touched feats, I wouldn't complain :flirt
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: Irthos Levethix June 19, 2008, 12:22:32 AM
Yeah, I know, but the Devil-Touched feats have the flavor it seemed like they were going for. 

Also, if I take the Domain granted power ACF, can I use Baator?
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: Tshern June 19, 2008, 03:20:00 PM
No to devil-touched feats, yes to Baator Domain granted power.
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: Irthos Levethix June 20, 2008, 10:29:13 AM
Updated my character sheet a bit.  I maxed Search/Disable Device since it seems we were lacking the skill monkey for that, and I'm playing the rogue-ish type of guy.  I'm still not walking up to the door/trap to open/disarm it, but I think I've got us covered.  Is someone playing the party face/diplomancer type?  Seeing as how we're dealing with Devils, it seems like a good idea.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 20, 2008, 01:37:58 PM
So, I managed to finish my preliminary spellbook today :)

Obviously the number of spells is a little bit high at the moment, so I'll be scratching at least some of them :P
Any tips about which spells to scratch and also any tips about great spells I've missed are most welcome :)

~Bowen

EDIT: How does one use spoilertags on these boards? ???
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: Irthos Levethix June 20, 2008, 01:46:00 PM
There's a neat little button on the reply page, thats the easiest I think.  If you want to type it, its [spoiler ][ /spoiler] without the spaces.

[spoiler]Do you think you got enough spells?[/spoiler]
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: BowenSilverclaw June 20, 2008, 02:18:28 PM
Thanks for the tip :)

Also, was that a real question or were you just being sarcastic? Can't tell atm between the internet killing subtlety and being sick and drowsy :P

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: Irthos Levethix June 20, 2008, 02:45:10 PM
*Sigh*  My sarcasm doesn't seem to work over the internets.  On a side note, I was looking at the DCs you'd have to hit to use co-op spell to persist some of my spells, and they're pretty freakin high.  Are you hitting DC 40 fairly often?
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: AfterCrescent June 20, 2008, 04:09:02 PM
I haven't done skill points yet, so I can't say that I'll be able to cover the face role, but if I have the extra points, i'll do it.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 20, 2008, 05:14:30 PM
*Sigh*  My sarcasm doesn't seem to work over the internets.  On a side note, I was looking at the DCs you'd have to hit to use co-op spell to persist some of my spells, and they're pretty freakin high.  Are you hitting DC 40 fairly often?
My Spellcraft check is currently at a +42, so I think we should be able to Persist some spells :)

EDIT: Due to a large portion of my skill points going to Spellcraft and cross-class skills to be able to qualify for Mindbender, my Knowledge skills aren't on par with those of a regular wizard, so if anyone can fit in some ranks in Knowledge in their build that would be great :) The only one I have at the moment is Arcana, and I only had enough skill points left to put 10 ranks in that.

~Bowen



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: Irthos Levethix June 20, 2008, 06:34:46 PM
I thought about taking Devil's Apprentice to use Knowledge Planes as diplomacy on Devils, it fits the flavor of my character, and it would fill that role.  The major problems with that are 1) I'm not sure I want to use a feat for it, and 2) I'm pretty strapped for skill points too, since almost all my ranks in Disable Device were cross-class.  I could lower some of the other knowledges, but I think the wizards are the only ones getting Dungeoneering.

And Bowen, wow man.  Just wow.  I think I love you.  Suddenly Persistant Greater Invisibility doesn't look so far away....
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: Llochlyn June 20, 2008, 08:22:33 PM
Don't worry, Llyd is a knowledge monkey :) 

Checks are not over the top, but I can hit DCs in the 30 range fairly often.
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: AfterCrescent June 20, 2008, 08:24:36 PM
We do all remember that whatever we use can and likely will be used against us, right? I mean give me 3 or so more levels and I'll be immune to crits, so invisible rogues won't worry me as much, but for now... ;)
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: Irthos Levethix June 21, 2008, 01:53:13 AM
Well, I surely hope every monster I run into isn't immune to me, otherwise that's just plain no fun.  Using something against you is one thing, completely negating a PC is another.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 21, 2008, 03:51:59 AM
Well, I surely hope every monster I run into isn't immune to me, otherwise that's just plain no fun.  Using something against you is one thing, completely negating a PC is another.
Agreed, but just to be on the safe side, start saving up money for those Augment Crystals that let you Sneak Attack Undead and Constructs and maybe some wands with Gravestrike and the like just in case :P Speaking of which, don't forget the Wand Chamber for your weapon(s) and shield if you've got UMD, everybody!  :D

Don't worry, Llyd is a knowledge monkey :) 

Checks are not over the top, but I can hit DCs in the 30 range fairly often.
Awesome, I'll stick to Arcana then, so I can keep my Spellcraft on the desired level and maybe get some other useful skills as well since I don't have to invest any more cross-class points into Bluff and Diplomacy and the like :)

We do all remember that whatever we use can and likely will be used against us, right? I mean give me 3 or so more levels and I'll be immune to crits, so invisible rogues won't worry me as much, but for now... ;)
Meh, I'm already immune to crits at the moment :P But agreed, I'll try to keep the cheese somewhat limited except for my insane Spellcraft check ;)

Speaking of cheese, what are your thought on Polymorph? Does anyone want me to use it to buff them or plan on using it themself? Assassin Devil is mighty tasty for a rogue :P Otherwise I think I'll keep it's use limited to situations when we really need it to get out of a deep shithole...


EDIT: Anyone have any ideas or links for awesome Tiefling names? I suck at names...

~Bowen
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: AfterCrescent June 21, 2008, 03:53:00 AM
I was just pointing out that we may want to watch what we let loose. Like I said, I'll adapt, but if we walk around all day with persistant greater invisibility, the first time we get jumped by persistant greater invisibility creatures with some method of detection will hurt. :D  That being said, invisibility isn't something major to worry about. I haven't looked at what else everyone is bringing to the table yet, so I just wanted to throw that out there :D

Edit: As for polymorph, I wasn't planning on using it, but I can if needed, so I'll leave that up to everyone else.
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: Llochlyn June 21, 2008, 10:51:19 AM
To me, polymorphing is cheesy and doesn't look cool at all ;)
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: Irthos Levethix June 21, 2008, 11:33:34 AM
I planned on having Polymorph, but using it as more of a utility/scouting spell, if at all.  I just like to be prepared.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 21, 2008, 11:54:23 AM
My thoughts exactly, not as a *HULK SMASH* spell :P

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: Tshern June 22, 2008, 04:44:27 PM
Irthos: I usually try to make sure that every player has something to do in the encounter, so you will not be facing a huge number of creatures immune to all your abilities.
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: Irthos Levethix June 22, 2008, 11:37:00 PM
LoL, well cool.  I just got kinda worried after what aftercresent said.  No worries though-
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: AfterCrescent June 23, 2008, 02:00:51 AM
Sorry Irthos. Didn't mean to worry you, just making sure everyone's on the same page ;)
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: AfterCrescent June 23, 2008, 07:43:52 AM
First Draft of my Ur-Knight is up here (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=59929). I still have a little over 20,000 to spend and my spells to prepare, but I should be effective at crowd control (20' reach) and I have knowledge devotion/collector of stories, too.

Question to the arcane casters: Do any of you have extend spell and/or would you be willing to cast extended GMW and MV on me?

@ anyone who knows Ur-Priest mechanics well: Am I correct in assuming that I add the Ur-Priest level and the CL from Bone Knight and then add 1/2 my Bone Knight level (Since it's a casting class that is not cleric) to get my CL (which would be 8?).

Edit: Also, is everyone worshipping Dispater as an Elder Evil?
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: BowenSilverclaw June 23, 2008, 07:52:35 AM
Question to the arcane casters: Do any of you have extend spell and/or would you be willing to cast extended GMW and MV on me?
Would you be willing to provide a Pearl of Power of the appropriate level? I mean, I'm willing to cast them for you wether you have the cash to spare for it or not, but it would be nice if it would only cost me one spell slot instead of two ;)

@ anyone who knows Ur-Priest mechanics well: Am I correct in assuming that I add the Ur-Priest level and the CL from Bone Knight and then add 1/2 my Bone Knight level (Since it's a casting class that is not cleric) to get my CL (which would be 8?).
Sorry, I'm not familiar enough with Ur-Priests to answer that one ;)

Edit: Also, is everyone worshipping Dispater as an Elder Evil?
I know I am, and I believe Dictum Mortuum is as well. Not sure about the rest though.
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: Llochlyn June 23, 2008, 07:55:26 AM
I'm a gift from Tiamat to heir neighbour, basically. I serve him well, but my devotion goes to Tiamat :)
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: AfterCrescent June 23, 2008, 07:58:12 AM
Bowen, I'm assuming your CL is 10+ so I should only need 1 extended per day, so yes, I would be willing to supply you with a pearl of power, although unless you're a spontaneous caster it'll just get you that same spell back, so maybe if Llochlyn *nudge* needs either casted for him or his mount we could split the cost ;)
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: BowenSilverclaw June 23, 2008, 08:00:37 AM
You guys work that one out amongst yourselves :P
But yeah, I currently have a CL of 10, and I can Extend it, so that should work :)
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: Llochlyn June 23, 2008, 09:13:45 AM
I accept spells cast on me :p

I have a supply of level 1 pearls of power too, so I might provide one. I have no mount though, I'm the debuff guy with a few charging tricks (given one of my debuffs triggers of a charge).

My charging is not over the top but has great potential.

Leading the Charge + Rhino's rush + Flying charge + Battle Jump + Knowledge devotion ->  about a 4d6+80 charge, wich triggers Dreadful Wrath to boot. If you want to stack more on the Llyd though, I'm ok with it :p
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: Irthos Levethix June 23, 2008, 09:46:39 AM
Hells yeah I'm worshipping His Iron Grace as an Elder Evil, I'm one of his personal assassins on rogue Devils and the like.

On a side note - I went to go visit one of my mom's friends, and her husband is an old AD&D geek, right?  He busted out a copy of the original Dungeon magazine, and had The Fires of Dis, an AD&D adventure.  Really kinda neat, and random as hell.  (Pun intended)

I had this on the Min/Max board, but no one ever answered me, so here it is again:
Question about the Spellthief-
At my level, I can steal 6th level spells.  In the description, it says something along the lines of "You can pick which spell to steal, but if they don't have it, the DM randomly determines what spell you steal."  Okay, groovy.  Can I say "I want to steal a 6th level spell" instead of "I want to steal Disintegrate"?  Seems like it would be pretty effective, especially coupled with Arcane Sight.
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: Tshern June 23, 2008, 12:07:02 PM
After: To your Ur-Priest question: No, I think it's your Ur-Priest level+Bone knight CL as Bone knight is not a spellcasting class per se, it only advances casting.
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent June 23, 2008, 08:34:49 PM
After: To your Ur-Priest question: No, I think it's your Ur-Priest level+Bone knight CL as Bone knight is not a spellcasting class per se, it only advances casting.
Fair enough. I was a bit worried with a low CL for Ur-Priest but then I realized I can pay for Iron Will which frees up a feat for practiced spellcaster. :D

I'll hopefully finish crunching the character out tonight. :D
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: BowenSilverclaw June 24, 2008, 07:02:36 AM
Quick question guys. I remember reading somewhere about increasing the number of charges on items like Healing Belts and the like. I can't find those rules in the MIC though. Am I just hallucinating or what?
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: Irthos Levethix June 24, 2008, 01:34:39 PM
Around what levels of optimization are we playing at?  (From this thread (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=361.0))  I'm probably a 2, 2.5 or so, but I'm not coming in with 4d6+80.  Probably my most powerful attack would be a Split Enervation for 2d4 negative levels, +4d6 negative energy Sneak attack (under the right conditions).  I know that's nothing to sneer at, but its not like I can do it every round, either.  I just wanna know, is this guy going to be sub-par to the rest of you?
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: Tshern June 24, 2008, 01:58:34 PM
Probably 2-3.5, but not more. I expect you guys to support each other and as a DM I will make sure everyone is meaningful in combats and whenever possible extend that policy to noncombat situations as well.

I actually modified your game's setting a bit. Here is what I had and what I have now:

Before
A chaotic evil deity was about to swarm Dis with huge armies in order to take down Dispater and then continue to other Perditions. This is now completely scrapped as I got a better idea and this would really never work out.

Now
Dis is soon to be under assault from a lawful evil entity. What your characters don't know is that the attacker is Lucifer the Satan, Asmodeus' predecessor. He has already ran over most of Avernus and set free the previous ruler of the layer, Astarte, who joined in the fight against the original malefircareim who are still ruling their layers. Belial and Beelzebub are fallen angels, who are yet to declare whether they remain out of the fight, turn against Asmodeus or help their fellow Lords. Due to the events of the Dies Irae, aka Days of Wrath, Dispater and Mephistopheles do not trust Mammon and Lilith is generally very unpopular in Hell and both Dispater and Mephistopheles dispise Leviathan, so their cooperation seems unlikely. However, it is certain that Lucifer has to go through Dis before challenging the other layers.

As you might figure Asmodeus is not surprised at this attack and ever-so-crafty Dispater is hard to take by surprise as well, so they have plans so far-reaching that they might seem preposterously useless. However, they are some of the most cunning entities in the cosmos, so they know what they are doing.

So far Lucifer has recruited Sammael, Astaroth and Astarte to his team. You will not know this yet, but expect it to be revealed at some point. What you know is that Avernus is under a huge attack from an army that doesn't originate from the Seven Heavens or the Abyss, which is pretty much unheard of. Another very surprising matter is that the Lord of the First, Bael, seems to be utterly outmatched and he has called for back up. How the other Lords answer to this will tell a great deal about the future allies and foes of Dispater...

History of Hell
Both Lucifer and Asmodeus are avatars of the true Overlord of Hell, who again was a part of a trinity that formed the axis of law, The Progenitor of Nirvana, The Supreme Virtue and our little Overlord. Lucifer went AWOL after a battle with Asmodeus around the Dawn of Gods when first deities started to emerge countless of millennia ago. During the early millennia of Lucifer's reign the evil energies of the Nine Hells of Perdition formed the first malefircareim who we know as Astaroth, Dispater, Mammon, Adrammelek, Leviathan, Lilith, Sammael, and Mephistopheles. These eight also became the first Lords of the Nine in the court of Lucifer the Satan. Actually, some of the Lords were already very close of controlling an entire layer before Lucifer came in, for example Leviathan just swore loyalty to Lucifer when he first saw him even though Stygia was in his hands already.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern June 24, 2008, 02:19:05 PM
Oh yes, I had another idea as well. If you guys want, we can combine Move silently/hide and Spot/listen. Yay or nay?
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: Llochlyn June 24, 2008, 02:22:47 PM
I do it in all my campaigns, so it's a move I agree with. Llyd is not concerned at all though, so I'll let it up to the users of these skills to decide !
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: Irthos Levethix June 24, 2008, 02:41:33 PM
That'd save me alot of skill points, so I'm game. 
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: AfterCrescent June 24, 2008, 07:36:39 PM
I'm totally not stealth based, and not a scout either, but if it'll help our scouts, I'm all for it.

Edit: and Talsor is up and finished... I think -> http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=59929

I posted a link the character sheet thread. Let me know if anything is amiss, Tshern. I haven't prepped spells yet, is that okay?

Also, do you want a mini-sheet on the post with the link, for easy reference?
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: Tshern June 25, 2008, 07:21:42 AM
I can't see your class levels nor your original race nor explanation how you became what you are.

Edit: I was just being hasty. However, please I still don't know your original race and would you mind copying your build to the line that says Class?
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: Llochlyn June 25, 2008, 08:19:06 AM
His levels are shown later on the sheet, among notes
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: BowenSilverclaw June 25, 2008, 02:34:29 PM
So, anyone have any idea at all about that adding charges thing I mentioned in my last post?  ???
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: AfterCrescent June 25, 2008, 10:08:36 PM
Tshern, Llochlyn said it. I have moved the class progression list under "Character Flaws" because I was afraid you couldn't see the section mentioned Additional Info. I also moved my persisted spells to Character Traits for easier reference.  It's just really long to put on that one little line that says class... If you'd like, though, I'll move it. :D

Talsor is a human, just persisting Lesser Infernal Transformation to be a bearded devil. (Side note, a side quest where he can permanently change type to be a devil and maintain his normal appearance would be so fun to rp ;))

@ Bowen: Sorry, I've never seen that rule that I can recall.
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: Tshern June 26, 2008, 10:34:08 AM
Yeah, as I edited to my post, I found your levels. Would you mind adding them to the uppermost part of the sheet that says 'Class' as well?

And no comments on the new flavour?
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: BowenSilverclaw June 26, 2008, 10:59:26 AM
So, I've mentioned it before, but what do you guys think about getting ourselves an anthem of sorts?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IPB8-x11TXo (http://youtube.com/watch?v=IPB8-x11TXo)

~Bowen
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: Tshern June 26, 2008, 11:23:29 AM
Oh yeah, probably more flavour coming tonight. I've written a bunch about Lucifer, but it's all hand written, so I might not copy it all to my computer. As a matter of fact, his build is almost ready, around CR 85 or so, meaning that you won't probably face him any time soon...
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: BowenSilverclaw June 26, 2008, 11:30:13 AM
Heh, I sure as hell (no pun intended :P) hope not. Looking forward to the extra fluff though, Tshern :)

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: AfterCrescent June 26, 2008, 05:54:11 PM
Added the classes :D

And I love the flavor, although one does wonder why Leviathan just swore loyalty to Lucifer so easiler :smirk I'm sure there's more to that. This campaign looks very interesting.
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: Tshern June 26, 2008, 05:55:12 PM
Because he was fucking scared, that's why. Also, only the stuff dealing with Lucifer after his defeat are of my making.
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: AfterCrescent June 26, 2008, 05:57:49 PM
Because he was fucking scared, that's why. Also, only the stuff dealing with Lucifer after his defeat are of my making.
:lol
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: Tshern June 26, 2008, 06:06:25 PM
Well, he was! You know, a guy who could've blown his entire Stygia to oblivion came to picture!
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: BowenSilverclaw June 26, 2008, 06:15:15 PM
So, anyone have any suggestions on some cool Tiefling names or maybe some idea where I could find some or possibly some inspiration (note, I don't read much fantasy books or anything).

Also, any thoughts on what spells to scratch from my spellbook? I've already kicked all Divination since I have Spontaneous Divination, but I need to get rid of a lot more to make my spellbook affordable :P

Thanks for any tips,
~Bowen
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: Irthos Levethix June 27, 2008, 02:18:11 PM
I love the story so far, should be very interesting to see how the campaign plays out.  How far are we expecting to go, do you think?

Are you thinking about our character's place in all this?  I mean, I imagine we're some sort of strike force, but are we working for Dispater directly, or one of his close advisors, or what?  I don't know if you've even gotten that far yet though, so no worries. 

Did we reach a concensus oh the hide/move silently and spot/listen question?  Cuz I wouldn't mind redistributing skill points...  Btw, what do you want to call the new skills?  Stealth and... Senses?

Also, any word on what Dictum and Mister_Sinister are gonna play?  (Dunno if you guys have noticed, but Mister hasn't been active since the 15th, so I dunno bout him.)
Did you ever decide on a build, Sir Dictum?
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: Tshern June 27, 2008, 10:16:33 PM
Those skills are combined, Stealth and Perception are the names. M_S plays a mounted charger and I've talked to him about that, so no worries.

I know the exact place of your characters in all this, even if it might change a bit when the story goes forward, but still.
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: Dictum Mortuum June 27, 2008, 10:27:32 PM
I'm playing a skillful cleric.
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: Tshern June 27, 2008, 10:35:17 PM
Oh yeah, I have three unique SDAs ready for Lucifer. Not too important for your gameplay, but very flavourful. I'll probably post them tomorrow.
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: AfterCrescent June 27, 2008, 10:57:28 PM
Dictum: Heh, glad I took Ur-priest then...
Bowen: No idea for tiefling names... I'd go something human-y with a hint of evil
Tshern: I look forward to the SDAs :D
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: Tshern June 27, 2008, 11:01:33 PM
I've had such a great time discussing some of the aspects with M_S. I suppose it's easier to do with another Dicefreak. You will see what I mean with coolness when the plot starts unraveling.

Edit: Was I the second one to actually get more than 800 posts? Wow.
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: AfterCrescent June 27, 2008, 11:05:42 PM
Edit: Was I the second one to actually get more than 800 posts? Wow.
Hehe, yeah. I think I hit the 800 mark back a few days when you were having your weekend-long party ;)
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: Irthos Levethix June 28, 2008, 12:13:00 PM
Been working on my spell selection, and got most of my magic items picked.  See anything you guys think I should have and/or drop, let me know.  What's an SDA?  :hide
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: Ieniemienie June 28, 2008, 01:07:12 PM
What's an SDA?  :hide
Salient Divine Ability (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/salientAbilities.html)
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: BowenSilverclaw June 28, 2008, 03:52:31 PM
So Tshern, me and Irthos have begun discussing our backgrounds and tactics and such and we were wondering about your opinion about two things:

1) Is it okay if party members have known each other for a long time?
2) Is it okay if we copy spells from each others spellbooks to reduce the cost of scrolls for learning new spells?

~Bowen

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: Tshern June 28, 2008, 09:05:01 PM
Yes. Yes.

Lucifer's stat block is almost ready! Heck, only skills and saves to go along with two SDAs!
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: Mister_Sinister June 28, 2008, 09:36:08 PM
Sorry for being out of touch for a while - I work a six-day week in a Japanese language school, with Japanese work expectations. I'm also working on my own (very ToBish) take on 3.75 and running an epic DnD game... yeah, stuff's been happening.  :P

I'll have something posted soon - I have a full stub written up for my guy, so all I have to do is convert that to stats.
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: Irthos Levethix June 29, 2008, 10:05:52 PM
Lucifer scares me...

Awesome stuff though Tshern!  And good to see ya, M_S
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: Tshern June 30, 2008, 04:52:42 PM
More fear! Lucifer is ready.
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: AfterCrescent June 30, 2008, 06:39:07 PM
More fear! Lucifer is ready.
And EVIL :D  I have to say I really am interested in who's going to come out on top this time...
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: Tshern June 30, 2008, 06:51:26 PM
Looking just at their abilities and assuming 1 vs 1 fight I'd say Lucifer. Asmodeus has 9 more epic spells a day and he has a better posse behind him. Technically we now have Astaroth, Sammael, Adrammelek, Astarte and Lucifer against Dispater, Mammon, Mephistopheles, Lilith and Asmodeus, which menas that the current Lords are easily winning. The wild cards here are how Belial and Beelzebub will react, how much Lucifer truely trusts Astarte (a fallen angel) and how the fuck are the attackers going to crack the Siege.
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: Tshern June 30, 2008, 06:52:48 PM
Lucifer the Satan (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=941.0) at the Thinkthank board. Comments please.
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: Tshern July 03, 2008, 08:11:40 PM
Give me a holler when you consider your characters ready for scrutiny.
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: Llochlyn July 03, 2008, 09:37:27 PM
Heh, it's been for a while, though I'll be gone on my first real holidays since about three years for the next week and a bit more.

I might be able to access internet there, but I'm not sure.
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: AfterCrescent July 03, 2008, 09:55:23 PM
My character should b up for scrutiny. Let me know if I missed anything :D
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: BowenSilverclaw July 04, 2008, 07:25:31 AM
Except for cutting down on my spellbook and a name I think my character is ready for scrutiny as well.

EDIT: I also still need to work out my Item Familiar. Anyone have any tips for what item to go for or anything? It's basically just there to boost my Spellcraft check.

~Bowen
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: Tshern July 04, 2008, 10:53:15 AM
[coffee break]I'll have a look at those as soon as I can, which probably is on Monday as I'll spend the next two days at a rock festival.

Llochlyn: I wish you a great vacation![/coffee break]
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: BowenSilverclaw July 04, 2008, 12:25:23 PM
Enjoy the festival Tshern :)
What bands will be there?

And Llochlynn, have a fun vacation :)

~Bowen
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: Tshern July 04, 2008, 06:31:03 PM
Of the ones you might actually know, I want to mention Ministry (they played today and I hate myself for missing them, luckily I've already seen them twice), Flogging Molly, Porcupine Tree, Primal Scream, Bullet for My Valentine, Life of Agony, Apolyptica and some 45 more bands.
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: SixthDeclension July 05, 2008, 11:07:52 PM
I envy you.
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: Dictum Mortuum July 06, 2008, 12:30:08 PM
Porcupine Tree, Apocalyptica

nice :D
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: Tshern July 06, 2008, 06:31:47 PM
When it comes to live performances there are two different kinds of bands: THE FUCKING FLOGGING MOLLY and the losers. Additionally, I am still wasted beyond all description and I do not have an idea what I have enjoyed/used/smoked/taken today. That's the spirit?
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: BowenSilverclaw July 06, 2008, 06:36:00 PM
As long as you weren't too wasted to enjoy the bands ;)
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: Tshern July 06, 2008, 06:37:13 PM
I think I wasn't. I think. I guess.
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: Tshern July 06, 2008, 06:46:22 PM
Btw, I've got a bunch of pictures. More or less worth putting online, but I just don't have the incentive...
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: BowenSilverclaw July 07, 2008, 04:35:39 PM
So, I've started working on what spells I typically would have prepared and found out that all but one of my level 4 slots are spent on persistent self-buffs. What do you guys think, lose the Ruin Delver's Fortune spells? That will reduce my saves by 3 points, cost me Evasion and immunity to poison and fear. In return I get back 3 level 4 spell slots per day. I think I should do it, any reasons why I absolutely shouldn't?

~Bowen
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: AfterCrescent July 07, 2008, 06:51:55 PM
How about I just persist (or cast, if you can persist other people's spells, I always forget how that works since I never play arcane casters, let alone incantrixes :P) Recitation. Anyone that worships Dispater gets a +3 luck bonus to AC, saves, etc which covers most of ruin delver's worth. +2 if you don't worship him still makes it worthwhile :D
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: Tshern July 07, 2008, 07:12:44 PM
I've been toying with an idea of throwing in another custom character, an archdevil. I need to consider that and I take opinions on this idea. I have a story for integrating him/her to the campaign and I even consider the story to be quite good.

Off-topic: My god, I am checking out the pictures I've taken and others have taken of me during the rock festival.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 08, 2008, 06:36:08 AM
Pics or it didn't happen :P

And Aftercrescent, Recitation sounds good :)
I can only Persist it for you if you're an arcane caster though, so I think you'll have to Persist it yourself if you'd be willing to :)


So, how about some critique and tips towards my current list of prepared spells since this is my first time playing a wizard (not counting my Evoker 'SFX archer' :P)?

1) Grease x2, Benign Transposition x2, Nerveskitter x2, Silent Image x1, Expeditious Retreat x1 (Domain)

2) Web x2, Glitterdust x1, Pyrotechnics x1, Heart of Air (self buff), Swift Fly (self buff), Levitate (Domain)

3) Sleet Storm x1, Haste x2 (including Domain), Dispel Magic x1, Heart of Water x1 (self buff), Greater Mage Armor (self buff)

4) Solid Fog x2, Greater Resistance x1 (self buff), Heart of Earth x1 (self buff), Ray Deflection x1 (self buff), Polymorph (Domain)

5) Cloudkill x2, Heart of Fire x1 (self buff), Greater Blink x1 (self buff), Baleful Polymorph x1 (Domain)

Note: The spells labeled 'self buff' have already been cast as, you guessed it, self buffs. The spells labeled 'Domain' are the ones I get for free by virtue of the Transmutation Domain (Domain Wizard ACF).

Edit: I'm also thinking about changing my race from Tiefling to Gray Elf (with the Otherworldly feat) to pick up the Elf Wizard Racial Substitution Level for one extra 5th level slot per day since I'm a generalist anyway. The Initiative bonus with the Hummingbird Familiar (if Tshern allows that one since it's a familiar option presented in Dragon Magazine) is pretty nice as well. Any thoughts?
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: Tshern July 08, 2008, 07:31:09 AM
Are you using Polymorph to get fly speed? If not, then take Overland flight or something, as flight is awesome. I am also a huge fan of Anticipate teleport, but that's just me. For sixth level spells (you ought to get those) I ALWAYS pick Superior resistance and Freezing fog.

Heck, to make it simpler, here's what I'd suggest per level:
1. Ray of clumsiness
2. Escalating enfeeblement (works wonders with Ray of clumsiness, I can tell)
3. Anticipate teleport, Ray of dizziness
4. Assay spellresistance
5. Overland flight if you can't fly somehow
6. Superior resistance, Freezing fog

No to the Hummingbird, I don't have any access to Drag Mag.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 08, 2008, 09:25:30 AM
I have Swift Fly persisted, and Polymorph is there because I get it as an extra spell prepared because of the Domain Wizard ACF.

Thanks for your list of favorites BTW, I think I'll adapt my list somewhat.

Now about that Hummingbird, what if I can provide you with the stats from an online resource or perhaps provide you with a digital copy of the relevant Dragon Magazine? (I figured I'd ask, not trying to nag or anything ;))

~Bowen


EDIT:
http://www.crystalkeep.com/d20/rules/DnD3.5Index-Creatures.pdf (http://www.crystalkeep.com/d20/rules/DnD3.5Index-Creatures.pdf)
The hummingbird is located on page 13  :D
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: Tshern July 08, 2008, 06:54:47 PM
Still now, unfortunately. I was just about to post that Drag Mag is a no-no in all cases. I still warmly recommend Escalating enfeeblement. My DM almost threw me with his PHB when I hit his BBEG with Ray of Clumsiness (rolled max damage) and Escalating enfeeblement (rolled max damage again).
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: BowenSilverclaw July 09, 2008, 06:16:43 AM
Ok, but still, I wonder if Elf Generalist would be worth it...
Any thoughts from any of you guys?
Maybe know some good familiar replacing ACF's for generalists?

And I'll probably include Escalating Enfeeblement, Tshern, thanks for the tip :)

Also, hurry up with those festival pictures, man :P

~Bowen
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: BowenSilverclaw July 09, 2008, 07:09:28 AM
The List, take 2 :P

1) Grease (Rod Sculpted) x2, Ray of Clumsiness x2, Benign Transposition x2, Nerveskitter x1, Expeditious Retreat x1 (Domain)

2) Web x1, Glitterdust x1, Escalating Enfeeblement x2, Heart of Air x1 (self buff), Swift Fly x1 (self buff), Levitate x1 (Domain)

3) Sleet Storm x1, Anticipate Teleportation x1, Heart of Water x1 (self buff), Dragonskin x1 (self buff), Haste x2 (including Domain)

4)Solid Fog x1, Assay Spell Resistance x1, Greater Resistance x1 (self buff), Heart of Earth x1 (self buff), Ray Deflection x1 (self buff), Polymorph x1 (Domain)

5) Cloudkill x2, Heart of Fire x1 (self buff), Greater Blink x1 (self buff), Baleful Polymorph x1 (Domain)

Any tips, thoughts, ideas?

~Bowen
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: AfterCrescent July 10, 2008, 03:11:57 AM
The list looks good, Bowen...

I'm currently persisting Divine Power, Righteous Might, and Lesser Infernal Transformation, which eats all of my turn attempts...

We may have to do without Recitation for now (until I get more nightsticks). Do you have Superior Resistance up?
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: BowenSilverclaw July 10, 2008, 05:57:13 AM
Thanks Aftercrescent. I think we can go without Recitation for now, shouldnt be that much of a problem.

I currently have Greater Resistance (+3 bonus) up, since I don't have 6th level spells yet. Next level will see Superior Resistance though :)

Say, do you have any thoughts about going Gray Elf for the Elf Wizard Racial Sub levels? It get's me one extra free spell known each level and one extra highest level spell slot per day. Do you think it's worth losing 2 points of constitution and 1 feat (as I will want to fit in Otherworldly then)?

~Bowen
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: AfterCrescent July 10, 2008, 06:03:00 AM
Have you thought about becoming undead later? If you plan on it anyways, the elf con hit doesn't seem so bad right now. I'm not sure what your plans are...
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: BowenSilverclaw July 10, 2008, 06:53:35 AM
Undead is definitely a no-no, it just doesn't appeal to me at all.

My ideas so far are just really a generalist wizard, with some buffing capability (Haste, Polymorph etc.), some BC (Web, various fog and cloudlike spells etc.) and some Debuffing (Ray of Clumsiness+Escalating Enfeeblement). Later on (once my level is up to par with the rest of the party and DCFS becomes available) I want to focus more on Debuffing and SoD's.

Mmh, since Tshern axed the Hummingbird Familiar and it would cost me another feat, I think I won't go the elf route after all, I'll stick to my fiendish ancestry instead of playing a fairy pretending to be badass :P

Tiefling all the way, baby :D

~Bowen

EDIT: Anyone have any ideas on what the best choice of item would be for my Item Familiar?
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: BowenSilverclaw July 15, 2008, 06:51:43 PM
Man, this thread is deader than Michael Jackson's music career...


Anywayz...

As far as my character goes,
damn, that spellbook turned out to be expensive...

So, I've got almost everything done, all I have to do now is decide which item will be Item Familiar and on a name :P

Suggestions on both parts are more than welcome :)

~Bowen
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: AfterCrescent July 15, 2008, 07:38:22 PM
Name? Check this for ideas... (http://e3.lemdal.com/TER/miscpages/namegen/namegenerator.htm) Sorted by gender for convenience.
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: Tshern July 15, 2008, 08:19:29 PM
Don't you people like come up with the names you use? The thread will probably wake up when Llochlyn comes back.
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: AfterCrescent July 15, 2008, 08:21:35 PM
I try to come up with names for lots of my characters. But I'm not above googling for inspiration. It depends on the character/concept :P
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: Tshern July 15, 2008, 08:44:42 PM
Oh yeah, everyone who googled for inspiration starts at level 7 with nothing but Fighter levels.
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: AfterCrescent July 15, 2008, 08:45:18 PM
Glad this character's name was all me, then :D
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: Tshern July 15, 2008, 08:50:57 PM
You seem to have six extra character levels in your build.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 16, 2008, 06:03:54 AM
Cool, I won't Google either then :P

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: Llochlyn July 16, 2008, 08:38:28 AM
Back from vacation, with my first tan in two years, needless to say it was painful.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 16, 2008, 08:48:10 AM
Hey Llochlynn, how was the vacation?
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: Tshern July 16, 2008, 09:50:28 AM
Welcome back, mate! Hopefully you, in spite of the pain, enjoyed and boozed the heck out of yourself.
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: AfterCrescent July 16, 2008, 10:31:45 AM
Welcome back. :D  Hope you enjoyed yourself.
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: Mister_Sinister July 17, 2008, 01:12:50 AM
welcome back, and happy (belated) Bastille Day! Also, Klovis is done, just finishing Hellborn (his mount).

Edit: Hellborn is complete. If you find any errors, please let me know (I'm bad at details in statblocks).
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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 07:36:10 AM
So you indeed made a servant of Lixer? Most interesting for me and the party.

For everyone who doesn't know who Lixer is, he is an archdevil and more importantly, the bastard son of Asmodeus. Only a few thousand years old, born as a mortal, very capable a necromancer and has a weird click with negative energy. Hates Orcus. Gates of Hell, chapter 8.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 17, 2008, 07:50:59 AM
Sounds interesting indeed :)

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: Mister_Sinister July 17, 2008, 08:03:58 AM
Thought it would me. Lixer needs more fanlove. :D
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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 09:29:51 AM
Might be worth mentioning that Lixer isn't exactly on top of the popularity contest within the Nine Hells of Perdition...
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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 09:57:29 AM
Checking your character sheets at the moment and I indeed have some questions and I'll post them here.

Bowen: I would need the sources for the following: Death ward mind armor, Ring of enduring arcana, Aureon's spellshard and Apostate.
Mister_Sinister: You are off the hook.
Llochlyn: See Mister_Sinister's status.
Irthos: Source for Skulker flaw? Seems that you are still working on your character.
Aftercrescent: Eagerly waiting for your spells.

Edit: M_S, where is Golden barding from?

Whenever you guys want this to hit the road...
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: Mister_Sinister July 17, 2008, 10:12:13 AM
Spell Compendium, for the record. Why blackguards receive a spell which targets only a special mount is truly beyond me.
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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 10:23:21 AM
For everyone's information, I houseruled Golden barding to work on M_S' dragon, because it seemed so very sensible.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 17, 2008, 10:59:01 AM
Death Ward and Mindarmor armor special abilities are in the MIC (p.10 & 13 respectively).
Ring of Enduring Arcana is in Complete Mage (p. 126).

Apostate is in Elder Evils, see also the link in the FEATS section of my character sheet on these boards.


I can't seem to locate Aureon's Spellshard at the moment... :blush
I hope Irthos Levethix can help with that one since he has it on his equipment list as well :D

~Bowen

EDIT: Is it okay if I make my Item Familiar a fake tooth, or maybe some other sort of 'implant' if anyone has any great ideas, like Llochlynn did with his Tooth of Savnok?
I kinda want it to be really hard to steel :P
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: Mister_Sinister July 17, 2008, 11:04:15 AM
Bowen, make your item familiar into a suit of armour. Stealing it is hard, and, if it's light, it can be worn even when you're sleeping. To make matters better, armour cannot be sundered.
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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 11:29:26 AM
Eat it. That makes it even harder to steal.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 17, 2008, 11:34:31 AM
Can I just have it implanted somewhere then? At least that way I won't have to dissect my own feces and then eat the item again and again... :-\
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: Mister_Sinister July 17, 2008, 11:37:15 AM
Armpit subdermal pouch. Well, assuming you don't mind a lump under one arm. I suppose your scrotum could also work - I mean, who the hell would search you there? :p
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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 11:40:56 AM
+1
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: BowenSilverclaw July 17, 2008, 11:42:24 AM
So implant is a go?
Okidoki, now to decide where to put it (NO, not in my scrotum, thank you very much :P)
Probably somewhere in the chest or stomach area...

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: Mister_Sinister July 17, 2008, 11:46:28 AM
I heard penile ones were all the rage this time of year. :P
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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 11:53:26 AM
They also give you -2 to all ability scores, but heck, who cares?

Yeah, do a reasonable implant, pay a few gp for it. Unless there are rules for implants, I say it costs you 10gp.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 17, 2008, 12:01:48 PM
Just reread the rules, and an Item Familiar has to be a magic item already, that's worth at least 2000 gp.

I think I'll make my Ring of Enduring Arcana my Item Familiar then, don't have the cash to buy such an item at the moment just for an Item Familiar...

I'll let you know when I decide for sure, in the meantime I'll check if I can find anything about implants.

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: Dictum Mortuum July 17, 2008, 12:06:44 PM
My turn for vacation :P
I'm going away for two weeks. I'll have plenty of time to work on my character's background.
I don't think i'll have internet access. Just PM or mail me if i am needed.
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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 12:08:20 PM
So I think everyone has two more weeks for their characters then.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 17, 2008, 12:11:48 PM
Have fun, Dictum :)

And Tshern, would you allow magic items to be crafted especially for a character with a certain skill, class and/or alignment thereby reducing the cost of the item as described on page 282 of the DMG?

If not for all items, how about just one?  :blush
(Yes, I'm desperately trying to fit a decent Item Familiar that can be implanted into my budget, so what? :P)

~Bowen
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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 12:38:08 PM
I'll allow that for items that are crafted during the game or by your party members. That would be all.

Also, I forgot to say this: Enjoy your vaction Dictum! Get some rest and make sure to recharge your batteries to the fullest!
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: BowenSilverclaw July 17, 2008, 12:46:21 PM
Awesome :D

So, can I 'implant' my Ring of Enduring Arcana with it still occupying the ring slot and not looking freaky?
I'm thinking about something like grafting it to one of the bones in my finger and wear it sub-dermally so it's under my skin.
Are you okay with that?
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: Mister_Sinister July 17, 2008, 12:56:16 PM
*declines to make any Prince Albert comments* :P
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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 01:00:57 PM
Ouch?

Edit: I thought you talked about implanting your item familiar. That I am fine with, but keep the normal magic items their normal places. Please.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 17, 2008, 01:15:53 PM
Ouch?

Edit: I thought you talked about implanting your item familiar. That I am fine with, but keep the normal magic items their normal places. Please.
I was talking about my Item Familiar, but you can only turn an existing magic item worth at least 2000 gp in an Item Familiar, so I figured I'd just use the least conspicuous one, my Ring of Enduring Arcana.

As for implantation in/grafting to the finger, it would still occopy the same body slot and all that.

If you're not okay with it, that's cool, and I'll just wear it normally :)

~Bowen
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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 01:49:26 PM
I see, I suppose you can do that then. We need to come up with some spot checks and such for it then.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 17, 2008, 02:02:57 PM
Even if it's integrated in the finger?
A simple Detect Magic should be enough, right?

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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 02:08:37 PM
Unless you really craft it to the bone you can spot the elevation in the finger. With a succesful spot check of course.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 17, 2008, 02:11:30 PM
Well, I was talking about really grafting it to the bone, make it invisible to the naked eye so to speak. Actually more from a cosmetic point of view than an optimized one, to be honest, I just don't like walking around with a lump in my finger :)

EDIT: ofcourse you have the final say as the DM :)
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: Llochlyn July 17, 2008, 06:24:27 PM
Vacation was nice, honest procrastination, booze, fresh air, proof that I'm able to feed healthily on my own, a couple of sexual frustrations, all you need for a good holiday !
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: AfterCrescent July 17, 2008, 08:40:20 PM
Just don't be too upset when they chop off your finger, Bowen ;)

Tshern, any clue whether we'll be jumping into battle or doing recon or something? I like to prepare my spells for the coming day, so I don't know if we have a mission set out that I'd be prepared for or what...
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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 10:28:36 PM
Well, I was talking about really grafting it to the bone, make it invisible to the naked eye so to speak. Actually more from a cosmetic point of view than an optimized one, to be honest, I just don't like walking around with a lump in my finger :)
Craft it to the bone and I'll make sure you'll get some permanent penalties.

Sure I have aftercrescent. You will technically be informed them in game before the job, but yo uare given some time for preparation. I'll already tell that you are going to beat stuff up. Plenty of it even. If at all possible, look amazed when you are told this IC (you know, after working on meaningless tasks for years), but you can select spells for battles before hand. That cool?
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: AfterCrescent July 17, 2008, 10:34:16 PM
Sounds good. Just didn't want to spend an hour or so preparing battle spells and then be told we're doing recon or something and have to spend another hour or so to reprepare spells. :D  I'll get to working on battle spells.
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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 11:02:09 PM
It indeed will be told to you, but as you have no idea you are about to hit the ranks, you should have prepared spells suiting your formal routine. At least you can pretend that you have and just act surprised.

Also, I suppose you might have plenty to talk about with M_S's character seeing that he is undead and Lixer's servant.
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: AfterCrescent July 17, 2008, 11:03:04 PM
How's the relationship between Dispater and Lixer?
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: Tshern July 17, 2008, 11:29:15 PM
Dispater wants to devour Lixer's knowledge and perhaps Lixer too, but he can't admit the latter one as he is the son of Asmodeus. Pretty much everyone apart from Caim, the Duke of Logic and Dispater's close servant, hates Lixer. However, Dispater knows that Lixer has nothing on him and is fairly confident that he would never try to cheat him. As a matter of fact, Dispater has tried to woo Lixer to his court on several occasions and Lixer considers his court the best place to be should he ever live Nessus.
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: AfterCrescent July 17, 2008, 11:45:06 PM
Ah. Good to know for the Unholy Knight of Dispater ;)  I think my Bone Knight and M_S' undead will get along well.
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: Mister_Sinister July 18, 2008, 01:15:49 AM
You got that right, aftercrescent. ;)
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: AfterCrescent July 18, 2008, 04:07:29 AM
Spells for Talsor (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=59929) have been chosen. Party members, feel free to suggest alternatives if you don't think something will be useful...
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: BowenSilverclaw July 18, 2008, 06:33:59 AM
Well, I was talking about really grafting it to the bone, make it invisible to the naked eye so to speak. Actually more from a cosmetic point of view than an optimized one, to be honest, I just don't like walking around with a lump in my finger :)
Craft it to the bone and I'll make sure you'll get some permanent penalties.

Okay, okay, I'll take the slightly bumpy finger :P
Do know that I wear gloves if you want to determine a Spot DC ;) :P

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: AfterCrescent July 18, 2008, 07:11:04 AM
If you want to really mess with the spot dc, why don't you wear the ring somewhere else? [/innuendo]
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: Tshern July 18, 2008, 07:43:32 AM
That is what me and Mister_Sinister have been suggesting all the time here. There is perhaps 600 pages of that very same innuendo.
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: AfterCrescent July 18, 2008, 07:46:02 AM
Sometimes we have to make it painfully obvious.  :D
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: BowenSilverclaw July 18, 2008, 08:15:14 AM
Mmh, would that get me a third ring slot? :P

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: AfterCrescent July 18, 2008, 08:26:24 AM
It does explain why you have to be epic to get that extra ring slot ;)
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: Mister_Sinister July 18, 2008, 09:57:36 AM
Tshern, thou art turning this into a certain game system we both wish we didn't know.... :P
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: BowenSilverclaw July 18, 2008, 10:46:05 AM
I sure as hell don't want to know... :blink :twitch :grave
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: Tshern July 18, 2008, 06:35:12 PM
Tshern, thou art turning this into a certain game system we both wish we didn't know.... :P
Only 900 pages to read. I think we can handle that.
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: Mister_Sinister July 18, 2008, 10:06:00 PM
I can just see it now. "Everyone, make urination rolls!"
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: AfterCrescent July 18, 2008, 10:06:59 PM
I'm going to disagree with Bowen... I'm really curious now...
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: Tshern July 18, 2008, 10:16:16 PM
I can just see it now. "Everyone, make urination rolls!"
I sure hope you maxed your ranks. With all those 4d100/2-1s you've rolled you are damn lucky to be able to piss once per day.
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: Mister_Sinister July 18, 2008, 10:17:57 PM
So, Tshern, how often does my character say 'Um' and 'Ah'? :P
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: Tshern July 18, 2008, 10:23:37 PM
Make a roll. I mean, make sixteen rolls and to determine how many d100 rolls you need to make.
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: Mister_Sinister July 18, 2008, 11:38:53 PM
Yes, ladies and gents, the system we are describing is real! And what's more, it also features rape, defecation and walking anal sex aphrodisiacs! :P
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: Tshern July 19, 2008, 06:37:10 AM
The best part is, it is historically accurate.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 19, 2008, 06:51:34 AM
*goes into a fetal position in the corner*  :hide :couch :surrender
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: Mister_Sinister July 19, 2008, 07:24:29 AM
Tshern, calling that homesick abortion of a game system 'historically accurate' is comparable to:

a) Calling Hitler 'the nicest guy on the planet'
b) Claiming Stalin didn't kill anyone intentionally
c) Stating that I am clinically sane
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: Tshern July 19, 2008, 06:36:20 PM
1. Well, the description you gave is in quotation marks. Moreover, dead people are not that bad.
2. He didn't. He ordered killings.
3. Go to a doctor and we'll see.
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: Mister_Sinister July 19, 2008, 09:44:24 PM
The quotation marks there are designed to separate the claim from the rest of the text to make it more clear. Ordering killing someone and it being intentional are not mutually exclusive. And as for the last.... yeeeeeah. :P
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: Tshern July 20, 2008, 12:41:25 PM
The quotation marks there are designed to separate the claim from the rest of the text to make it more clear. Ordering killing someone and it being intentional are not mutually exclusive. And as for the last.... yeeeeeah. :P
The point is he didn't kill anyone. Well, perhaps during his years as a time robber for the communist revolutionaries, but prove it. Just prove it.
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: Mister_Sinister July 20, 2008, 10:03:19 PM
Ordering someone's death is as good as killing them in my book, Tshern. Oh yeah, and enjoy that PDF I sent you - if your brains aren't leaking out of your ears, I will be very surprised.
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: Tshern July 20, 2008, 10:11:11 PM
Ordering someone's death is as good as killing them in my book, Tshern. Oh yeah, and enjoy that PDF I sent you - if your brains aren't leaking out of your ears, I will be very surprised.
I only had a look at the cover and I am quickly losing my ability to wriasasfsdtkas.d....
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: AfterCrescent July 21, 2008, 06:46:16 AM
Damn you people!  :P I'm like a cat being tempted with a ball of yarn. I'm just so damned curious ;)
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: Mister_Sinister July 21, 2008, 10:31:21 AM
That's the point, aftercrescent. We are toying with you, much like the proverbial cat you have just mentioned.
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: Irthos Levethix July 21, 2008, 05:05:33 PM
Wow, I'm really intrigued about this system involving water sports.  Good times.

Sorry I've been gone, d2 really has me hooked :P  Got my necromancer to level 83 in about 4 days... I should really turn my computer off sometimes.

Okay, Aureon's Spellshard is in Eberron Campaign Setting, its basicly a Boccob's book cut in half, in a stylish crystal shard.  Comes in 8 colors, collect them all to be a total nerd.

Skulker is from some webpage I found, but I totally can't remember the thread I got the link from, or the url for the actual page.  It was just the only one that seemed acceptable to me, and it actually really goes with the flavor of Syris (which i did NOT google, thank you.)

Anyone care to tell me what they think of my character?  Think he turned out alright?
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: BowenSilverclaw July 21, 2008, 05:11:24 PM
Looks good to me Irthos, looking forward to having him in the party :)

And now for me, what do you guys think of Morthos (yes, I came up with that myself  :))?
Think he'll be up for the task at hand?
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: Tshern July 21, 2008, 06:28:21 PM
Irthos: I still need the link to the thread. Otherwise it cannot be used.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 21, 2008, 06:44:29 PM
Is my character good to go now that you know where Aureon's Spellshard is from, Tshern (Eberron Campaign Setting)?

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: Tshern July 21, 2008, 07:00:57 PM
Sure.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 21, 2008, 07:08:01 PM
Cool :D
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: AfterCrescent July 21, 2008, 08:08:44 PM
So Talsor's spell list is fine, yes? :D
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: Tshern July 22, 2008, 10:25:44 AM
Sources for the following, please:
-Tyche's Touch
-Darkbolt
-Protective Interposition
-Resurgence
-Divine Retaliation
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: Tshern July 22, 2008, 10:35:34 AM
Oh yeah, Dictum is out for two weeks, but I could DM you a little test fight without him so you can see how your teamwork is doing and all that. Test how your characters are handling difficult encounters and all that.
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: AfterCrescent July 22, 2008, 10:37:42 AM
Sources for the following, please:
-Tyche's Touch
Lost Empires of Faerun
-Darkbolt
Lords of Madness
-Protective Interposition
Forge of War
-Resurgence
Spell Compendium
-Divine Retaliation
PHB2

Edit: I'd be up for the test fight if everyone else is.
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: Tshern July 22, 2008, 10:42:10 AM
No access to Forge of War. Sorry about telling it now, but I didn't even know such a book exists...

Edit: Also, in case anyone wants to know more about the campaign setting or the DF history of Nine Hells I am more than happy to talk about them via Messenger. Discussing your character that way is also recommended.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 22, 2008, 11:45:14 AM
A test fight sounds like a good and fun idea, I won't be able to participate until friday though, since I'll be gone tomorrow and thursday.

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: Mister_Sinister July 22, 2008, 12:59:24 PM
Test fight works for me. Klovis and Hellborn need a test-run - I have never build this kind of character before.
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: Irthos Levethix July 22, 2008, 01:32:17 PM
Hmm, okay I'm on the hunt for it.  I'm pretty sure it was a link I saw on these boards, can't remember who posted it.  There was whole list of them, huge.  I thought it might be on CrystalKeep, but can't find it there.  Anyone remember that link, perchance?
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: AfterCrescent July 22, 2008, 01:49:50 PM
I totally had no idea what you were talking about for a minute, Irthos. Then you posted in the simple question thread. :D Realmshelp is a good backup to crystalkeep.
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: Irthos Levethix July 22, 2008, 01:53:14 PM
Heh, yah thanks for that.  I could remember what the page looked like, colors and layout and all that, but I had no idea where to find it.  Good hunting my friend!

So here's (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Skulker,all) the link for the skulker flaw, thanks to aftercresent.  I'm up for a test fight, if I can tear myself away from d2 long enough to finish up my spellbook.
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: Tshern July 22, 2008, 04:18:05 PM
Urgh, I don't like the fact of using Dragon Magazine material, especially without asking for it first. I think I can let you use it.

I'll figure out a test fight for you on Friday or so. Perhaps something around CR 60 or 70 should do.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 22, 2008, 04:28:57 PM
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot?!?!
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: Irthos Levethix July 22, 2008, 04:32:29 PM
You know, I didn't even realize it was from a Dragon, my bad.  :blush  I'll change it, if you like.  Totally should have gotten approval, especially with it not being from a sourcebook.

Btw,
[spoiler]FREAKIN CR 60!??![/spoiler]

Okay, I feel better now :D
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: Tshern July 22, 2008, 04:59:50 PM
Of course we can raise the CR if you wish. Perhaps you could fight both, say, Vecna and Mephistopheles.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 22, 2008, 05:51:59 PM
I hope you contract a necrotic infection to your nether regions... :eh
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: Mister_Sinister July 22, 2008, 11:38:01 PM
I hope you roll a certain result when miscasting, in particular the one that dilates your anal circumference whenever you smell rain. :P
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: Tshern July 23, 2008, 09:00:16 AM
That's it! Roll for urination!
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: AfterCrescent July 23, 2008, 10:40:13 AM
*n00b accent* Which one do I roll again?
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: Tshern July 23, 2008, 10:42:35 AM
The roll is d100 + Urination Skill Points + (average of Health and Hand-Eye Coordination skill modifiers) +/- ("Time Since Last Urination vs. Ounces Drunk" modifier). Of course.
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: AfterCrescent July 23, 2008, 10:47:02 AM
*scratches head* ... *refers to 'notes' (actually twelve pages of reference)* ...  *roll* I got a 7. ???
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: Tshern July 23, 2008, 11:01:43 AM
You manage to do it, but badly.
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: Mister_Sinister July 23, 2008, 12:01:12 PM
No 'flood' for you! No six-foot men peeing twelve feet! :P
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: Llochlyn July 23, 2008, 04:10:13 PM
Ok for the test fight, I'm eager to scream at my foes' faces.
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: Tshern July 23, 2008, 05:19:43 PM
I'll come up something by Friday then. Expect gore.
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: AfterCrescent July 23, 2008, 09:26:43 PM
Tshern, did you get my PM about Forge of War?
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: Tshern July 23, 2008, 10:04:54 PM
Tshern, did you get my PM about Forge of War?
I did now, hadn't seen it before this though. Sure, you seem to have no Messenger, so PM me the details.
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: Tshern July 24, 2008, 10:04:25 PM
Now when I still remember it, I remind you people of the prospective test fight that will start tomorrow. Embrace yourself and prepare a bunch of Revivifies and make sure some is ready to Resurrect you later on.
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: Mister_Sinister July 25, 2008, 09:11:09 AM
: Tshern
Embrace yourself and prepare a bunch of Revivifies and make sure some is ready to Resurrect you later on.

Sounds kinky...
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: Tshern July 25, 2008, 05:22:10 PM
I have most of your encounter ready, but I had to stay over time due to some fucking retards whining to me and not being able to tell the time from the huge frigging watch on the wall. I'll post the encounter tomorrow, sorry about the delay.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 25, 2008, 05:27:50 PM
No prob, Tshern.

They've predicted thunderstorms here so I'll pro'ly have to shut down the computer at some time tonight.

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: Tshern July 25, 2008, 06:12:10 PM
Sigh, more bad RP news for me. I had to withdraw my character from an awesomely tasty PbP simply because the DM decided to convert it to the Pathfinder module. I don't have the time to convert my character right now, much less read the entire system. I waited four freaking months for the game to restart and now this happens? No opinions asked, it just got changed. Posted a lengthy goodbye post, really sucks to leave the game like this.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 25, 2008, 06:25:31 PM
And here I thought D&D was a game you played and enjoyed as a group. It couldn't have been too much trouble to consult the players on a decision like that methinks.

Too bad Tshern, maybe can join (another) fun PbP game on these boards though :)


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: Tshern July 25, 2008, 06:28:55 PM
I am already joining one and I am sure it will fill my expectations. But I really, really, really, really liked the one I was in because of the sensational character interaction, excellent storytelling and flavourful story.
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: AfterCrescent July 26, 2008, 02:52:22 AM
I am already joining one and I am sure it will fill my expectations. But I really, really, really, really liked the one I was in because of the sensational character interaction, excellent storytelling and flavourful story.
Hopefully the one we're joining will be able to live up to those expectations ;)
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: Mister_Sinister July 26, 2008, 02:58:59 AM
You talking about Tshern's or mine, AC? :P
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: AfterCrescent July 26, 2008, 03:01:36 AM
Yours. Hoping Tshern and the rest of us enjoy the character interaction and story, so he doesn't miss the other game.
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: Mister_Sinister July 26, 2008, 03:03:18 AM
I will do my damnest to make sure that you guys enjoy my game. Hopefully, the game will live up to everyone's expectations (and ubernoob's vouching).
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: Tshern July 26, 2008, 04:44:57 PM
I know your game will. This is actually the one I am worried about.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 26, 2008, 05:58:35 PM
I know your game will. This is actually the one I am worried about.
How's that?
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: Mister_Sinister July 27, 2008, 09:06:45 AM
Wow, I'm touched, Tshern. :D

Oh yeah, my computer fucked me in the ass and charged 2300 yen.
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: Tshern July 27, 2008, 05:03:27 PM
Tell me about fucking in the ass. For reasons that are going to be the topic of my next rant, I will need to delay the encounter again. I try to get around it, but don't expect me to get online too much for the next two three days.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 27, 2008, 05:21:10 PM
It's okay, real life can be a bitch sometimes.
Hope things work out for you though :)

~Bowen
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: Tshern July 27, 2008, 05:23:52 PM
And as always, the retards are to be blamed!
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: BowenSilverclaw July 27, 2008, 05:36:20 PM
I kinda expected that to be honest, they usually are... :fo
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: AfterCrescent July 27, 2008, 06:13:06 PM
Best of luck, Tshern.
No rush. :D
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: Mister_Sinister July 27, 2008, 10:31:38 PM
Yes, damn those retards! There should be a layer in Hell reserved for punishing them.
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: Dictum Mortuum July 28, 2008, 04:57:07 PM
I've found a limited dial-up internet connection. My character's background is almost over. It's nice to have something to think about at the beach (although there are quite a few distractions :P).

P.S. Tshern i added your msn account to mine.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 28, 2008, 05:01:19 PM
Dial-up? You poor bastard  :P

Anywayz, enjoy the 'distractions', Dictuum ;)
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: Tshern July 28, 2008, 07:10:28 PM
WHY SO SAD!?! Yeah, I saw the Dark Knight. Awesomesauce. Going to the cinema again next Wednesday. I suppose it was worth it. Easily.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 28, 2008, 07:15:16 PM
Ugh, still haven't been able to see it...  :wall :fo
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: Tshern July 28, 2008, 07:25:35 PM
Ugh, still haven't been able to see it...  :wall :fo
I am the most hardcore fan(atic) of that nutcase we know as the Joker and even the fact that he was wearing MAKEUP instead of just being white didn't bother me much. Heath Ledger pulled it off...
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: Mister_Sinister July 28, 2008, 09:03:38 PM
Yeah, Ledger's Joker was teh awesome. Loved it!
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: AfterCrescent July 28, 2008, 11:06:24 PM
I'm with Bowen. I haven't been able to see it, but I really want to... Although one person I know is now arguing it is the greatest movie ever (better than Godfather and Shawshank Redemption)... I worry he is over hyping it.
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: Mister_Sinister July 28, 2008, 11:14:37 PM
It isn't better than the Godfather or Shawshank Redemption, that's for sure. Yes, it is good. No, it is not that good.
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: AfterCrescent July 28, 2008, 11:15:27 PM
Ah, good to know. I figured he was a little over-excited. That sounds more like a really good movie, and less like an over-hyped one now. :D
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: Mister_Sinister July 28, 2008, 11:46:36 PM
A lot of the hype is coming from the fact that Heath Ledger died not long before it was released, which often makes people wary of criticising what is rapidly becoming 'his' movie, as they fear being labelled 'disrespectful of the dead', which is a nasty, sticky label.

I won't deny that Ledger's Joker is awesome - that is a fact. However, I can tell you that, overall, the movie was good, but not to the levels of truly spectacular movies out there. It had good parts, bad parts and awesome parts, in roughly equal measure.
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: Tshern July 29, 2008, 07:48:07 AM
A lot of the hype is coming from the fact that Heath Ledger died not long before it was released, which often makes people wary of criticising what is rapidly becoming 'his' movie, as they fear being labelled 'disrespectful of the dead', which is a nasty, sticky label.
lol@Maggie Gyllenhaal then. She said she won't vote for Heath (she is in the Oscar commitee) since he doesn't need the prize now when he is dead.
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: Dictum Mortuum July 29, 2008, 09:28:15 AM
Best movies are citizen kane and casablanca by far :P
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: Mister_Sinister July 29, 2008, 10:34:37 AM
She should be expecting hatemail sometime soon, then. DM, thou art right in the rightest sense of rightness.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 29, 2008, 12:14:04 PM
I just found something online that reminded me of you, Tshern.
Do you know any of these individuals? :P

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm229/BowenSilverclaw/Cartoons/Finland_Army.jpg)
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: Mister_Sinister July 29, 2008, 01:00:44 PM
I LOLed.
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: Tshern July 29, 2008, 08:33:09 PM
I just found something online that reminded me of you, Tshern.
Do you know any of these individuals? :P
This remark just caused you 75% of your starting wealth. Fuck not with a man who controls your life.

As a matter of fact, I found eight mistakes from their gear with a single glance. Goddamn officer training.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 29, 2008, 08:42:02 PM
I just found something online that reminded me of you, Tshern.
Do you know any of these individuals? :P
This remark just caused you 75% of your starting wealth. Fuck not with a man who controls your life.

As a matter of fact, I found eight mistakes from their gear with a single glance. Goddamn officer training.
Hehe, I knew you'd be able to appreciate it  :lol
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: Tshern August 03, 2008, 03:48:18 PM
Dictum is back. Well, he's already been a while, but I suppose I have been a little slow. How about giving this game a go?
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: BowenSilverclaw August 03, 2008, 03:51:53 PM
Let the bodies hit the floor!  :smirk
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: Tshern August 03, 2008, 04:00:35 PM
I just need him to post his character. The faster you force him to do that, the faster we will start.
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: BowenSilverclaw August 03, 2008, 04:06:12 PM
To the PM-mobile!  :P
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: Tshern August 03, 2008, 04:07:44 PM
I am talking to him online right now.
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: BowenSilverclaw August 03, 2008, 04:11:31 PM
Ah, excellent, I just sent a PM his way :)

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: Tshern August 03, 2008, 04:23:56 PM
Sure hope peer pressure will solve this.
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: BowenSilverclaw August 03, 2008, 04:47:42 PM
Do it, do it now :P

Anywayz, he just PM'd his character is done, so I think we should be able to get this show on the road tomorrow or tuesday tops :)
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: Tshern August 03, 2008, 04:59:12 PM
I like that. We just need confirmations from the others. AC, Irthos, Llochlyn and Sinister, we wait.
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: AfterCrescent August 03, 2008, 09:03:08 PM
Talsor is ready :D
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: Mister_Sinister August 03, 2008, 11:29:41 PM
So is Klovis. And Hellborn. :D
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: Tshern August 04, 2008, 01:16:16 PM
Hmmm... I think I'll start this game tonight then.
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: Tshern August 04, 2008, 03:39:27 PM
Okay, I have an idea how to begin. Should we wait for Irthos or do we trust that he will join us when the thread opens?
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: AfterCrescent August 04, 2008, 03:43:18 PM
I trust he will join when it opens and he pulls himself away from diablo2 ;)
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: Tshern August 04, 2008, 03:58:06 PM
Sigh, he is worse than I thought.
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: Irthos Levethix August 04, 2008, 04:44:51 PM
Hey now!  Just because I'm a complete addict doesn't mean I'll neglect my previous responsiblities.  I'm a functioning addict, I'll just procrastinate until the last minute (read: now).  So when I get home I'll go through my books n stuff and pump out my spellbook for the game.  Just listen to aftercrescent, he is wise.
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: Tshern August 04, 2008, 05:11:55 PM
Let's put the ball rolling then. Don't worry about the spells, I will start no encounters before you have made your picks, so feel free to post flavour posts even before you are finished.

Edit: Your characters have seen each other before, you know the names and general information of one another. Wanna whine about this or does it sound decent?
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: BowenSilverclaw August 04, 2008, 05:29:30 PM
Sounds fine with me :)

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: AfterCrescent August 04, 2008, 06:04:18 PM
sounds good to me. Personal request: if possible, use your characters name when you describe him/her in game. It gets confusing when I have to go searching for the name to address a character in game. It's not that hard to say Jim does X than to say He does X. Please and thank you :D
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: Tshern August 04, 2008, 06:06:36 PM
I think I will post the basics of each character to the main post in the game thread. Name, player and class should be enough.
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: AfterCrescent August 04, 2008, 06:10:50 PM
That'll work. :D

Also, since I haven't read all of Dice Freaks Gates of Hell, can we have a brief synopsis of the 4 servants of Dispater?  Possibly in that Info Center thread?
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: Tshern August 04, 2008, 06:12:50 PM
Sure, I'll do that now.
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: BowenSilverclaw August 06, 2008, 09:11:32 AM
Okay guys, so I just got told we'll be spending a couple of days with some family starting saturday. I'll be back wednesday night, but I probably won't be able to post in those 4-5 days we're there :(

Sorry for the inconvenience,
~Bowen
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: Tshern August 06, 2008, 10:24:32 AM
And I am leaving Friday morning to RopeCon! Go go Finnish CO meeting!
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: AfterCrescent August 07, 2008, 03:26:21 PM
Llochlyn: No teal for you. I already called it for Talsor :P
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: Tshern August 07, 2008, 03:36:25 PM
I know you are not too familiar with the Gates of Hell, so feel free to ask me anything either here or via some IM thingee. I will answer according to my best ability and so will, I think, Mister_Sinister.

On another note, Tshern will be leaving the town tomorrow morning to go meet some RP players, including the famous WotC regulars Eldariel and Wizu. Beer, vodka, beer and even some vodka are going to be involved in this three day event and during that time this game will, unsurprisingly, be on a hiatus. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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: AfterCrescent August 07, 2008, 03:41:10 PM
Enjoy the meet-up. Do try to remember some of it ;)
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: Tshern August 07, 2008, 04:00:41 PM
Enjoy the meet-up. Do try to remember some of it ;)
Digital camera.
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: Irthos Levethix August 08, 2008, 12:35:31 PM
I know Tshern's gone, but we could still post up us meeting and greeting each other, couldn't we?  Basically like we're waiting for whatever devil to come up n give us our instructions, ya know?  Just a thought-
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: Dictum Mortuum August 08, 2008, 02:23:07 PM
Yeah :D
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: Irthos Levethix August 08, 2008, 03:59:29 PM
Also-

Tshern said we've all seen each other and know general info, but what exactly is general info?  Like, Mine and Bowen's characters have trained together and been on missions together before, but what all is known about the rest of you guys? 
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: AfterCrescent August 08, 2008, 11:06:20 PM
Hrm...? General information known about Talsor: He's a warrior-priest of Dispater, recently elevated to that position.  I don't know how many of you have true seeing or the like, and if not, you'd probably assume he's a very odd Bearded Devil, as he's never out of that form.
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: Mister_Sinister August 09, 2008, 06:53:22 AM
Assume the story in my character's description on his sheet to be common knowledge. I'll cross-post it here for everyone's convenience.

[spoiler]Klovis was born in the city of Steel, on the continent of Jerrah some seven hundred years ago. His father was one of the Twelve Knights of St. Clovis, and his mother was a cleric of St. Cuthbert. Klovis' name was a small shift from the legendary founder of the city, as his name is considered sacred, and thus cannot be placed on a person.

As a young boy, Klovis was put through a lot more than most - his father expected him to become a skilled knight and horseman, whereas his mother wished him to be well-educated. On top of all this, Klovis was also expected to behave as fitting the son of one of the Twelve Knights, which made growing up a challenge in the extreme. As a result, he became shy and introverted, speaking rarely, a trait which has only become worse with age. He preferred martial to academic fields, which led to his education being somewhat narrow.

Once he had grown to maturity, it was expected that he would join one of the Orders of St. Clovis, more likely the Wardens, given his martial bent. However, instead of this, Klovis expressed a desire to join the Watchers instead. While he was accepted, it was found that he lacked the attention to detail and the ability to see things that were required of a Watcher, leading to him leaving the Order after just five years. Shortly after this, Klovis left the city of his birth, suddenly, leaving behind very confused parents, who, despite wanting to, for some reason could not find him. His family still believe that he had died back then, and his (empty) grave can still be found in Steel, near the High Cathedral of St. Cuthbert.

The truth, however, is much darker - Klovis was not introverted only because of the pressures put upon him. He had a secret to hide; a secret of such monumental proportions, that he had to keep his tongue tied in case he let anything slip. He had discovered this when he had just learned to read. He was curious back then - he did not yet know what purpose reading had. As he wandered through his mother's private library, he suddenly saw a book upon the table. He had never seen that book before, and did not know what purpose it could have had. Its dark cover and bale runes should have scared away any child, but Klovis was drawn to it, for a reason he could not imagine. Being barely able to read, Klovis still took the book, and began to read it.

At first, nothing made sense - nothing seemed in place. However, something compelled him to keep reading, forced his eyes to scan over each word, the meanings of which he hardly understood: undeath; torture; imprisonment; tyranny; Lixer...

As soon as he turned the last page, day had turned to night. As his tired, innocent child-eyes passed over the last word, suddenly, it was as if the world shifted. He saw, for the briefest moment, the truth of what he had read. Everything, all the horror contained within, suddenly flooded his mind, breaking any defences he may have had, and showed him that, in truth, all are slaves to death, and those who are not, are slaves to undeath. Slaves to Lixer, the True Lord of the Undead. He also knew that Lixer was watching him now, in every shadow, from every dead place, every dark place, every cold place.

As can be imagined, this was distressing to his young mind, but he knew, somewhere deep inside, that none but himself could help him. It was because of this that he threw himself into martial training and the study of religion and beings of other places and other worlds - he had to be ready for when they would come for him. He kept his eyes away from the shadows, away from the darkness, and toward the light - he had to be ready. But somewhere, deep inside, he was afraid - that when they came, he would fail.

And come for him they did. The night after his twentieth birthday, a severe storm, the likes of which Steel had never seen, struck. Klovis awoke, or rather, was awoken, at the stroke of midnight, by a cold voice in his mind. "Come. You have seen it."

Klovis stepped outside. There, in the rain, stood none other than Lixer, or rather, an image of him. Klovis was armoured and armed, but his steed was far. Nonetheless, drawing his sword, Klovis yelled that he would rather die than submit. Lixer laughed. "That is precisely what I require," he sneered "Now die quietly." One spell was all it took.

When Klovis awoke, it was still raining, more heavily this time, and Lixer was gone. He was armoured, armed, and sprawled on the ground. But he saw that, on his arms, there were cuts, shaped like letters. To his horror, he saw that his own sword was bloodied in his hand. The message was simple, but deadly, like a poison to his mind.
"Resist, and serve. Submit, and serve. That is the only truth. Shall I lead you, or shall you go willingly? Your soul is mine, for eternity."

Klovis picked himself up, rushing back to his mother's library. He knew that he had seen this before, somewhere in that volume, buried in his mind, in its deepest recesses. He had to find it again, he had to know why it was there, why it was scarred onto his arms. However, despite digging through the library for the rest of the night, he could not find what he sought. The book was no longer there.

It was that night, of which none else but him knew, that drove him to join the Watchers, as he hunted the book desperately. He had to know what this meant, why it was there that time. In his increasing desperation, he went to more and more extreme measures, resorting to  acts that would have caused his expulsion from the Watchers, including torture of suspects (and eventually, innocents too), killing of hundreds, secretly, as part of a campaign of threats and blackmail against the leading scholars of Steel, and, on the day before he left, his break-in of the Inner Vaults, where too, he found nothing.

All of these crimes only came to the surface after Klovis left Steel. Outraged, the Twelve Knights and both Orders stepped up their efforts to find him, but failed. Because Lixer did not want him to be found.

As Klovis travelled, living by his wits and his lance, he became increasingly desperate to know why, and what, this message could mean. He continued, growing more and more extreme in his pursuit of his goal, and his growing frustration grew into anger and paranoiia. He began to feel that everyone knew his secret, and simply refused to tell him. As he grew more and more angry and paranoid, he began to change. His naturally fair skin became paler, his hair grew lighter, and his eyes darker. His beauty, already startling, became more and more artificial, like a porcelain mask. He grew to shun the light, and travel by night, swathed in dark clothes. His searches brought him much infamy and treasure, and he had even deigned himself to work with several groups of like-minded adventurers during this time, gaining more and more notoriety, under a different name - the Searcher. Despite hundreds of years, he never found what he was seeking.

One night, as he was wandering the night, he heard that voice again, the voice he had almost forgotten. "Come. You have seen it." Stepping out into a clearing, Klovis saw Lixer, once again, the same as he was back then. He once again yelled back, saying that he could destroy him now. Lixer, once again, laughed. "I have not spared you. You were already mine." With this, Lixer held up the book, that same book that Klovis had sought all this time. "In this book are all your crimes. You did not know it, but they are yours. I could give this to anyone, who would give it to those who pursue you. Do you really think I protected you for nothing? I gift nothing."

And then, suddenly, Klovis understood. All that he had read were all these things he had done. All his searching, everything he did since reading... it was all there, his whole life story. He had made it true by seeking it; by seeking it, it all became true. His mind began to snap with the realisation of what he had done, or what he had failed to prevent.

Lixer smiled again. "Resist and serve. Submit and serve. That is the only truth. Shall I lead you, or shall you go willingly? Your soul is mine, for eternity." Klovis knew now, and wept.

"So, what shall it be? You have no choice."

Klovis kneeled. "You are all choices, every path I walked. I swear myself to you, Lord Lixer. I submit."[/spoiler]
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: Irthos Levethix August 11, 2008, 12:31:34 PM
Welcome back Tshern, hope ya had a good time at your Con.  Hopefully your Finnish blood proved more potent than vodka, once again.  Will we be enjoying any pics in the near to immediate future?
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: Tshern August 11, 2008, 05:28:31 PM
Welcome back Tshern, hope ya had a good time at your Con.  Hopefully your Finnish blood proved more potent than vodka, once again.  Will we be enjoying any pics in the near to immediate future?
Probably. I bought a barrel of beer too, which was an excellent choice.

I'll continue the game tomorrow or perhaps tonight if I have enough time.
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: Mister_Sinister August 13, 2008, 03:30:52 AM
Hey again Tshern, good to have you back. :D
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: BowenSilverclaw August 13, 2008, 11:26:31 AM
I have returned *Ominous Latin chanting*  :D
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: Tshern August 13, 2008, 05:21:57 PM
I have returned *Ominous Latin chanting*  :D
Off to the IC thread with you then!
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: Llochlyn August 15, 2008, 03:03:56 PM
Back ! Yay ! IC later, got to see the Batman !
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: AfterCrescent August 15, 2008, 03:09:13 PM
Hah, oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I finally saw it too.
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: BowenSilverclaw August 15, 2008, 03:19:43 PM
Heh, I finally got to see it a couple of days ago as well :)
And I gotta say, it was effing awesome :D


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: Tshern August 15, 2008, 07:14:39 PM
Been in the theatre twice, seen it on my computer once and I might be seeing it again, depending on my friend.

I am still waiting for Llochlyn's knowledge check, then we can go on. I probably should start tossing some rolls for you (perception, knowledges and whatnot) to speed up the game. What do you say?
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: BowenSilverclaw August 15, 2008, 07:20:59 PM
Sounds fine with me. I didn't roll for Knowledge (The Planes) since it's an untrained skill for me, so not much use there I figured.
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: Tshern August 15, 2008, 07:49:11 PM
So your maximum result would be 10 then. Yeah, that doesn't really help you too much.
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: AfterCrescent August 16, 2008, 12:18:34 AM
I'm all for you rolling the reactive things.
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: Dictum Mortuum August 16, 2008, 06:26:08 AM
I am, too. Much more easier.
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: Tshern August 17, 2008, 11:05:10 AM
M_S's got a holiday right now, so he'll be less active, but we'll continue without him. Do not worry.
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: Mister_Sinister August 18, 2008, 12:19:22 PM
Back, with a vengeance. By the way, Tshern, thanks for namechecking me in the same line as Bin Laden. :P
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: Tshern August 18, 2008, 02:18:14 PM
Back, with a vengeance. By the way, Tshern, thanks for namechecking me in the same line as Bin Laden. :P
Well, you are a bit dubious that way.
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: Tshern August 18, 2008, 05:14:10 PM
Btw, I just started working on Lucifer's archdevil...
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: Mister_Sinister August 18, 2008, 11:11:13 PM
Ooooh, Lucy has an archdevil? I vote she be female!
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: AfterCrescent August 18, 2008, 11:22:42 PM
Ooooh, Lucy has an archdevil? I vote she be female!
Seconded.
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: Tshern August 19, 2008, 09:00:07 AM
She is. I already have the bluff planned out.
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: Mister_Sinister August 20, 2008, 06:41:20 AM
The bluff or the fluff? If it is the former, will we end up thinking she's a man? A tranny devil? :P
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: AfterCrescent August 20, 2008, 06:48:08 AM
Lol. That's what I thought, but I totally forgot to comment. Well done, MS.
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: Mister_Sinister August 20, 2008, 07:17:49 AM
Thanks, I do try. :P Been distracted of late, AC? :P :P
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: AfterCrescent August 20, 2008, 07:19:36 AM
Hah, actually I got distracted with a certain giant post I was constructing today...

Although I'm trying to keep up with you. :P :P
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: Mister_Sinister August 20, 2008, 07:24:12 AM
Giant post? Where?
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: AfterCrescent August 20, 2008, 07:30:31 AM
Convince me. The thread I was asked to post in. And the only post on the topic I've decided to have. :pout
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: Mister_Sinister August 20, 2008, 07:37:37 AM
Ah, that. I see. Well, in any case, back to the task at hand... :P
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: AfterCrescent August 20, 2008, 07:41:16 AM
I don't know if you listen to the podcast, MS, but I feel like we should point the thread to the BGs for their episode on Love/Sex/Etc in Gaming. :P
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: Mister_Sinister August 20, 2008, 08:01:51 AM
Feel free. I'm sure they'll enjoy reading it and being inspired. :P
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: Tshern August 20, 2008, 10:29:28 AM
And yes, I meant bluff. After all, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince everyone he doesn't exist...
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: Tshern August 20, 2008, 05:46:51 PM
AC: I love how you don't look back at all. If they can't keep up, they are not worthy of hanging out with you anyway, so awesomely lawful evil.
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: AfterCrescent August 20, 2008, 05:48:28 PM
 :D
Dispater takes no pity. Why should his priests?  :lol
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: Tshern August 20, 2008, 05:58:22 PM
Much less Ur-Priests...

Irthos: You want to know something specific about the erinyes or is that just an IC description?
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: Irthos Levethix August 20, 2008, 06:18:55 PM
Nah, just a description.  Thanks for asking though.
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: Tshern August 20, 2008, 06:20:28 PM
Nah, just a description.  Thanks for asking though.
I thought I might've missed continuous Arcane sight or something. Had to check so that you don't think I am totally ignoring you.
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: Irthos Levethix August 20, 2008, 06:33:31 PM
I haven't had Morthos persist Arcane Sight just yet.  I figured I should have my spellbook complete before I actually try to cast a spell. 

You wouldn't completely ignore me, I think we enjoy debating with each other too much for that :D
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: Mister_Sinister August 21, 2008, 03:18:21 AM
Hey guys, just shamelessly plugging my new project here (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=1590.0). I welcome all criticism, constructive and otherwise...
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: AfterCrescent August 21, 2008, 03:23:07 AM
need an = sign in your code, there ;)

Is that the Zap and Slap? I don't do 4e, but I do want to congratulate you on it, since I love me some cleric-flavored classes
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: Mister_Sinister August 21, 2008, 03:26:33 AM
Damn, my coding isn't always that hot. And yes, that is right. Why thank you, good sir! More of my writing shall be forthcoming.
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: Tshern August 21, 2008, 10:42:20 AM
Sig the guide, that usually helps you get some props and critique.
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: Mister_Sinister August 21, 2008, 12:00:22 PM
Will do, thanks for reminding me!
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: Tshern August 21, 2008, 05:58:30 PM
Want a little teaser?

The fluff behind the archdevil. Only a rough draft, wrote that in 15 minutes...
[spoiler]Her kin had degenerated and fighting to extend tyranny to each part of the Cosmos had become an impossible task. Once the Lilim were a great race, one of the most powerful to be exact, and a widely accepted rumour said they were  born from the Lady of the Sixth, Lilith.

This was to be the last battle she could go through with her people and she knew it. Internal arguments, even anarchy, was tearing the formerly so well-organized community apart and the immensely strong Lilim could not continue any further. No-one could fathom why they were becoming nothing but a cluster of killers, an uncoordinated band of mercenaries. At least no-one but the Lightbringer.

When the enemy had been beaten Mazikeen saw something that apparently her comrades could not observe. She was standing on top of a hill watching her armies kill the last retreating misfits of fate and she had no idea how to react to the stranger. This strange man wore nothing but a white toga and his body was surrounded by heavenly light. It was the most beautiful sigh she had ever witnessed and she thought the Heavenly Host was there to slay her right where she stood.To a great surprise the man said "Mazikeen, I know you and you know me. Your race has grown weak, pathetic and in this condition it does not advance what you want it to. I give you a month. When this time has lapsed you have eradicated your armies and you call me." At this point the Supreme Commander of the Lilim already had a clear vision of what to answer "How could I call you? I have no idea who you are!"

She yelled only to realize the man was not there to hear her answer, he had faded as suddenly as he had appeared. The words of the mysterious stranger had Mazikeen ponder, but the political rampage within her armies were about to explode in to a full-scale mutiny. As a solution to all the problems she marched her army in the middle of a Blood War and in the final charge against the rushing demon armies she left the ranks to observe her armies being devoured by the Abyssal hordes.When the last of her men had died she closed her eyes and whispered "Lucifer, I am ready."



Mazikeen of the Lilim is the paragon of her race, a true representative of lawful evil. As the legend says, her race indeed has been born from the damned womb of Lilith, the Lady of the Sixth, but who fathered this race is a total mystery to all but the Overlord of Hell and his avatars. Paranoid as ever, Lilith herself has several theories regarding the race, but her finger never pointed to the King of Hell, the Lightbringer.

Before the Dawn of Gods Lucifer knew he would need allies and the first malefircareim born from the Pit would betray him should any of them have an opportunity to do so. The Lords of the Nine had no real evidence of the superiority of their master and Lucifer did not want to interrupt her war with the Realms Above to orchestrate a show of power to make sure his minions stay under his heel. Thus he magically started Lilith's pregnancy and according to the plan she cast her spawn out from Malebolge and it took only a few millennia for this race, the Lilim, to become a dominant one in the world they occupied.

However, it took untold millennia for the race to start degenerating into the raging mass it was when Mazikeen first met Lucifer. As the entire Cosmos knows, the King of Hell had time to wait. The Dawn of Gods came and passed, the notorious Lords of the Nine were locked within the Ninefold Realm, but Lucifer's plan had just become ripe for the final blow. He appeared to the most powerful member of the race, Mazikeen, the Supreme Commander of the Lilim. Having her slaughter the remaining warriors was easy and after that her soul was forevermore bound to Nessus.

Not even Mazikeen (though it is apparent this was planned by the Lightbringer himself) knows what caused her to acquire the moniker Infernal Mistress, but some gods who cherish knowledge and entities of great intelligence, such as Mephistopheles, are fairly certain that the two never had a sexual relationship. In spite of this, Lucifer and Mazikeen became a pair that would be feared all over the Cosmos and the Infernal Mistress would do his bidding on several occasions in the future. By some powerful magic no mortal mind has ever known Lucifer could send Mazikeen out of Hell, which meant she would often travel to the Mortal Coil to get whatever his master needed. Indeed no other Duke, Archdevil or even a Lord (save for Asmodeus and Lucifer) have left Hell as often as Mazikeen.

Mazikeen looks nothing like a devil. She stands at exactly 6 feet and her long hair is straigth and blue. In battle she uses a brown leather armor that has chain reinforcements but normally she wears togas of blue and white colour. The left half of her face is covered with a featureless white mask that is known as the Infernal Disguise. Beneath the mask she is hideously deformed due to a past accident of unknown origins. Her skin looks as if it had been subject to both acid and fire. No form of healing magic can remove this feature. As a famous soldier and superior commander she always carries two magical shortswords collectively known as the Inlaid Damnation. The swords seem to be made of pure light and they shimmer even when there is no other source of light present.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Mazikeen.jpg)[/spoiler]
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: Irthos Levethix August 21, 2008, 07:44:45 PM
Awesome work, Tshern.  Makes me wanna do research rolls to find out how he sends her out of Hell...
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: Mister_Sinister August 21, 2008, 11:48:49 PM
Yes, rather. Your fluff is going from strength to strength, and this is promising to be very cool. Plus, she's optimal! This makes her better than DF entities, who seem to be made by people who think that wasting feats on Alertness was a good idea.
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: AfterCrescent August 22, 2008, 12:03:49 AM
Gotta agree. I enjoy the fluff, even if it is only a rough draft.
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: Tshern August 22, 2008, 01:06:09 AM
Yes, rather. Your fluff is going from strength to strength, and this is promising to be very cool. Plus, she's optimal! This makes her better than DF entities, who seem to be made by people who think that wasting feats on Alertness was a good idea.
Optimal in some regards, the feat selection, class levels and ability scores still are DF style.
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: AfterCrescent August 23, 2008, 12:22:23 AM
So I just realized how awesome this is going to look when a large beared devil comes walking up to the temple of Pelor... :lol
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: Tshern August 23, 2008, 08:05:29 AM
Speaking of which, I have to leave in couple of minutes, but when I get back I'll handle your teleporting. Hope you find it worth waiting.
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: Mister_Sinister August 23, 2008, 08:37:06 AM
It is. :D
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: Irthos Levethix August 23, 2008, 09:01:59 AM
I've been wondering that myself, AC.  And how the Temple of Pelor will react to a vampire riding a dracolich.  Hilarity ensues.
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: Mister_Sinister August 23, 2008, 11:39:03 AM
Yeah, this WILL be hillarious. :D
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: AfterCrescent August 23, 2008, 07:01:13 PM
 :lol
Well in the grand scheme of things, no one's really going to miss one measely temple of Pelor. ;) Right guys? :lol
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: Tshern August 23, 2008, 07:15:14 PM
If you read Fiendish Codex II very carefully you find a passage where Asmodeus says that his plans for conquering the world are right on time, so even if you fail you can always claim it was the point in the first place, because Asmodeus had planned it.
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: AfterCrescent August 23, 2008, 07:30:29 PM
Somehow I think His Iron Grace would see through that without much difficulty :P
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: Tshern August 23, 2008, 07:36:11 PM
Somehow I think His Iron Grace would see through that without much difficulty :P
Enjoy the eternity as a lemure then...
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: AfterCrescent August 23, 2008, 07:37:52 PM
I don't plan on failing, so no worries. :P
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: Tshern August 23, 2008, 07:49:08 PM
I don't plan on failing, so no worries. :P
You keep saying that. You think I am creating archdevils and Lucifers for sheer fun?
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: AfterCrescent August 24, 2008, 01:52:54 AM
You keep saying that. You think I am creating archdevils and Lucifers for sheer fun?
Yes? ;)

But if Lucy or any archdevils are hiding in a crappy temple of Pelor... well that's comedic gold. I'll be okay with the failure then. :P
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: Dictum Mortuum August 24, 2008, 05:58:19 PM
Answers for Dictum:
[spoiler]
I'll roll Spot for you when needed and there is no reason for Knowledge devotion stuff yet. I'll tell you when that happens.

Yes, yes you can.

Of course. Knowledge (religion), Knowledge (history) and lore are both viable. This applies for the lot of you too.[/spoiler]

So, i'm putting this here to keep the game thread clean.

Tshern, i trust you with all of my checks (knowledges, saves, attack and damage rolls, you name it), unless it's a trouble for you. I think that it will speed up the game.
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: Tshern August 24, 2008, 06:23:40 PM
Remember that you can also take ten with your knowledge checks. If you do so, just post the result here.
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: Dictum Mortuum August 24, 2008, 06:58:06 PM
Remember that you can also take ten with your knowledge checks. If you do so, just post the result here.

In that case all of my knowledge checks are 21 when taking 10. With lore of the gods active, it's 31.
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: AfterCrescent August 25, 2008, 04:23:44 AM
Edit: Moved this from the game thread. >.>

Since IC is down, I'll take 10 on my checks. 32 Knowledge Religion and 12 Lore (unless the Otherworldly Whispers applies to Lore, too, which ups that by 6). 26 on my spellcraft should cover DM's buffs, too.
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: Tshern August 25, 2008, 07:30:22 AM
I'm at work, so I'll answer to other stuff later, but this came to my mind: Dictum, are you really casting Divine power? IIRC it only lasts rnd/CL, which isn't too much considering that you are still to prove any sign of combat.
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: Dictum Mortuum August 25, 2008, 08:24:10 AM
I'm at work, so I'll answer to other stuff later, but this came to my mind: Dictum, are you really casting Divine power? IIRC it only lasts rnd/CL, which isn't too much considering that you are still to prove any sign of combat.

Yes, those three are my typically persistent buffs.
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: Irthos Levethix August 25, 2008, 09:18:07 AM
Okay, I'm actually finishing up my spellbook (finally).  I'm only really pulling from the Spell Compendium and the PHB though, so if you guys know of any good spells from other sources I should be aware of, feel free to let me know.  I'll try to have that finished by tonight.  Sorry I'm a slacker :blush

Btw, cool new avatar Tshern, that one's way better than the last.
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: AfterCrescent August 25, 2008, 01:13:54 PM
Ha. I see DM and I are in the same boat with persistant buffs :D
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: Mister_Sinister August 25, 2008, 01:27:53 PM
Fucking cleric farmers... :P
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: AfterCrescent August 25, 2008, 01:29:10 PM
Bah. I'm an ur-priest. No cleric or farming here. Just evil cultish style priesthood.  :evillaugh
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: Mister_Sinister August 25, 2008, 02:05:34 PM
Dude, you farm cleric twice as fast! :D
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: Irthos Levethix August 25, 2008, 02:11:05 PM
Dude, you farm cleric twice as fast! :D

:lol
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: Tshern August 25, 2008, 02:27:05 PM
Ur-Priest. I think AC deserves some cool points. Six extra levels maybe?
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: Dictum Mortuum August 25, 2008, 02:37:13 PM
Ur-Priest. I think AC deserves some cool points. Six extra levels maybe?

Just 1 bonus epic feat will do.
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: AfterCrescent August 25, 2008, 02:52:39 PM
We're all talking about the same feat, right?
Epic Spellcasting.
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: Tshern August 25, 2008, 03:13:38 PM
I was thinking of Improved arrow of death.
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: AfterCrescent August 25, 2008, 03:30:09 PM
I suppose I could buy a bow. :angel
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: Tshern August 25, 2008, 03:32:21 PM
And take 10 levels of Arcane archer.
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: AfterCrescent August 25, 2008, 03:33:26 PM
That doesn't sound like a good idea....

On a side note, I figured 2 of my last 3 levels out, Gonna grab Prescient Sense from Divine Oracle :D
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: Tshern August 25, 2008, 03:37:41 PM
Not bad, not bad. I'll just need to change my strategy so that it doesn't give you any extra benefit.
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: AfterCrescent August 25, 2008, 03:42:32 PM
That's why I let you know. Don't want to surprise you with something that would work. :D
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: Tshern August 25, 2008, 03:55:48 PM
Good, you people are learning some manners.
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: Irthos Levethix August 26, 2008, 03:23:39 PM
Not completely done, I was pretty tired last night, but I managed to come up with a background of a sorts, and I selected most of my free spells.  Feedback is appreciated :)
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: Tshern August 26, 2008, 04:13:01 PM
So I'd say no more changing spells. This is where shit starts hitting the fan, so I'd appreciate if everyone had their stuff done. In case there are empty spells slots, I wish you would inform me and I'll delay the oncoming events until everyone is ready.
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: Tshern August 26, 2008, 04:18:17 PM
Anyone who made the DC 20 Knowledge (religion/history) check or DC 20 lore check knows the following details. If you didn't make the check, ask it IC, no reading the sblock.

OOC info:
[spoiler]The city you have entered used to be a relatively large town called Puhama, but after all the minerals ran out people started moving away. Nowadays there are only approximately 5000 citizens living there, but they are all fanatical followers of Pelor, because the mountain nearby used to be a famous source of 'sun stone' that glittered in light and devouring it caused hallucinations. Due to this, Pelor has a foothold here.[/spoiler]
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: BowenSilverclaw August 27, 2008, 10:03:21 AM
Wow, looks like I have some catching up to do...

Sorry for the hiatus, guys, they moved our annual week full of activities at uni with only a last minute notice, and unfortunately internet was not part of the accomodations there. Booze and women were, though :D

Anywayz, to the posting-mobile :)


~Bowen
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: Irthos Levethix August 28, 2008, 03:14:37 AM
Did Open Lock & Disable device get combined along with Perception and Stealth?
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: Mister_Sinister August 28, 2008, 06:41:25 AM
They damn well better have, or Tshern is getting some Anal BlastTM (http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=nivR8LkSn1Q). :P
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: Tshern August 28, 2008, 08:26:21 AM
Never said they did actually, because I forgot to. Yes, they should be combined.
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: Mister_Sinister August 29, 2008, 09:51:43 AM
Tshern does not want 'more dicks THAN HIS BODY CAN HANDLE', clearly. :P
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: AfterCrescent August 29, 2008, 03:01:14 PM
GRATUIDOUS AMOUNTS OF GAYNESS! :P
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: Irthos Levethix August 29, 2008, 04:19:50 PM
I am so confused...
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: AfterCrescent August 29, 2008, 04:22:11 PM
Click the link in MS's post at the top of the page. Watch the Gay Powerthirst video. :P
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: Irthos Levethix August 29, 2008, 04:27:45 PM
Ah, I can't.  I'm on a WinTerm at work, and its utterly incapable of playing a video on the net.  But boy I can't wait to get home n watch some serious geyness.  Amiright?!?

j/k, dont' freak out on me.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern August 30, 2008, 09:38:08 AM
I'll restart posting tomorrow. Been off drinking.
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: AfterCrescent August 30, 2008, 01:15:30 PM
Welcome back, :P
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: Mister_Sinister August 31, 2008, 01:42:10 AM
Tshern, your drinking is beginning to affect your gaming. Since you are not WotC's R&D department, I feel an intervention coming on. :P
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: Tshern August 31, 2008, 01:01:13 PM
Tshern, your drinking is beginning to affect your gaming. Since you are not WotC's R&D department, I feel an intervention coming on. :P
R&D?
: Re: OOC banter
: Mister_Sinister August 31, 2008, 09:42:20 PM
The way they designed 4E makes me think they were all drunk at the time.
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: Tshern September 01, 2008, 01:26:07 PM
Tell me when you are have made your decisions and I shall move you further. Towards the encounter!
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: AfterCrescent September 01, 2008, 08:07:49 PM
Onwards!  Mask us, Irthos, and let's get with in the temple :P
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: Tshern September 01, 2008, 09:16:43 PM
Be prepared to become soul shells.
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: Mister_Sinister September 01, 2008, 09:38:05 PM
He who fights and runs away... is probably a vampire on a dragon who decides to fly up above. :P
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: Tshern September 01, 2008, 09:46:43 PM
He who fights and runs away... is probably a vampire on a dragon who decides to fly up above. :P
I think I need to have Lucifer kill Asmodeus for the sole purpose of me having a chance to let both Mephistopheles and Dispater loose on Lixer. Just so you know.
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: Mister_Sinister September 01, 2008, 09:48:27 PM
Bastard. :P
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: Tshern September 01, 2008, 09:50:26 PM
Be prepared to change sides. Dispater's court has plenty of non-devils like blue and undead. *nudge nudge*
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: Mister_Sinister September 02, 2008, 04:14:38 AM
Lol, over my (un)dead body! :P
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: BowenSilverclaw September 02, 2008, 07:20:28 AM
Blues are awesome :D

So, hurry up with the encounter already, Tshern :)

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: Tshern September 02, 2008, 09:49:44 AM
Lol, over my (un)dead body! :P
Turn undead!
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: Mister_Sinister September 02, 2008, 10:37:30 AM
Lol, over my (un)dead body! :P
Turn undead!

You and whose suboptimal build? :P
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: Irthos Levethix September 02, 2008, 02:47:48 PM
Okay okay, jeez.  I've been incredibly busy the last 2 days, have aLoT of shit going on in my life outside the computer.  I'll try to post up in the game thread later today.  Sorry everyone -
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: Tshern September 02, 2008, 05:39:04 PM
No panic, man. Take your time, this game won't go anywhere.
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: AfterCrescent September 02, 2008, 10:11:46 PM
You and whose suboptimal build? :P
:P Turning is too easy to optimize and you know it.
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: Mister_Sinister September 02, 2008, 10:26:04 PM
Yeah, and it STILL sucks. :P
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: Irthos Levethix September 03, 2008, 02:00:23 AM
K, if you guys will decide who's not in the telepathic bond, I'll edit my post up for that.
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: AfterCrescent September 03, 2008, 02:01:50 AM
You are SOOOOOOO lucky Talsor doesn't have a mirror. :P
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: Irthos Levethix September 03, 2008, 02:10:35 AM
 :lol I just find the irony of an Ur-Priest dressed up as a Cleric too awesome.  Edited it a bit, realized I could keep the game moving and we could decide the telepathy thing OOC.  Still figuring out this PbP thing...
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: BowenSilverclaw September 03, 2008, 06:03:52 AM
Whoever isn't included in the telepathic link, I can still keep that person up to date of important things with my telepathy as long as he stays within 100 ft. :)

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: AfterCrescent September 03, 2008, 06:18:05 AM
I'd rather be out of it, since Talsor's not one for talking, but since SOMEONE masked me as a priest, I may need to be in that >.>
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: Mister_Sinister September 03, 2008, 10:53:04 AM
I should probably remain in the link, even if I'm gonna be watching from the skies.
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: BowenSilverclaw September 03, 2008, 01:07:17 PM
Agreed, especially since you'll be our eyes and ears on the outside in case someone or something approaches and we will probably be too far away for me to contact you with my own telepathy.
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: Irthos Levethix September 03, 2008, 08:19:00 PM
Agreed again.  I couldn't decide between the charger and the Ardent, because I don't know what an Ardent is, really.  Up to you guys, really.
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: Tshern September 05, 2008, 10:23:19 AM
There will now be a 30 hour break, but I suppose we will continue after that. I'll post new events  and such. This is not totally sure, because I might be able to get my hands on a computer even before this, but that is the latest date.
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: BowenSilverclaw September 05, 2008, 11:10:52 AM
Noted.

Have fun with whatever it is you'll be doing :)

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: Tshern September 05, 2008, 05:52:39 PM
Sure, beer.
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: BowenSilverclaw September 05, 2008, 06:07:15 PM
Ah, always a good thing to spend your time on :)

Cheers :D
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: Mister_Sinister September 05, 2008, 09:31:39 PM
Other forms of alcohol also qualify!
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: Tshern September 06, 2008, 05:36:41 PM
Aye, it was the only one we had available. Well, of course we had vodka, this is Finland for christ's sake.

Edit: So you dudes will be walking to a door all disguised or what?
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: AfterCrescent September 06, 2008, 05:47:22 PM
Yes, a side door, if it has a path to it, if not we'll take the front door. We're not about to walk to the door from the cemetary... :P
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: Tshern September 06, 2008, 05:49:49 PM
How boring are you people? There as a matter of fact is a a side door, I'll continue your quest accordingly tomorrow afternoon and everyone can post their preparations until that time.
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: BowenSilverclaw September 06, 2008, 06:04:50 PM
I'm prepared in the sense that I have all my buffs up as usual (see character sheet). Not much to do besides that at the moment I think...


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: AfterCrescent September 06, 2008, 06:05:29 PM
Yeah same here. Buffs are up and now it's just a matter of time before I get to start killing Pelor servants.  :lol
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: Tshern September 06, 2008, 06:13:04 PM
I'll go to sleep right now anyway, so that doesn't really matter too much. I just want to make sure everyone has some time to make sure they have done all the necessary preparations. It'd suck to lose because of forgetting a single important spell.
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: Irthos Levethix September 08, 2008, 03:00:24 PM
Sooo, did we decide who isn't sharing our telepathy?  Just wondering...
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern September 08, 2008, 03:09:15 PM
M_S' undead dude. He's flying over the church at 80 ft.
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: Irthos Levethix September 08, 2008, 03:50:16 PM
No no, that won't work, he has to be in contact with us, how the hell else is he gonna let us know when Lucifer's army circles the church?
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: Tshern September 08, 2008, 04:10:29 PM
Who am I to tell? Your plan, your funeral, your souls.
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: AfterCrescent September 08, 2008, 07:32:27 PM
How many people have to be out? Bowen has telepathy all on his own, we can exclude him and he'll still have it, right?
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: Irthos Levethix September 08, 2008, 07:44:18 PM
Just one.  Bowen's telepathy only works one-way though, so like he said, he can be the guy to relay info to the guy thats not in the loop.
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: AfterCrescent September 08, 2008, 07:47:16 PM
So he can communicate to one of us but we can't communicate back?
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: Irthos Levethix September 08, 2008, 09:44:48 PM
Correct.
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: AfterCrescent September 08, 2008, 11:09:35 PM
That's retarded. :P

It doesn't help to keep him in. He can only talk to the person, not get any feedback.  It's a way to give orders, but that's about it :shrug
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: Irthos Levethix September 09, 2008, 03:08:14 AM
I think you're mixing up my casting of Rary's Telepathic Bond, and Morthos' own telepathy. 

Rary's is two-way, within the group.  Anyone can talk to anyone.  Morthos' allows him to speak telepathically to anyone with a language within 100ft, but that doesn't mean they can communicate back that way.

So it would make sense to have him in, and he can relay important stuff to whoever isn't in the circle.

*Sigh* Maybe I should have waited till CL 15, when I could have 5+ myself.
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: AfterCrescent September 09, 2008, 03:20:33 AM
No, I know what you mean. My point is just that if they can't communicate back his ability is somewhat useless. He can only say "Hey, they plan on doing X" and the person out of the bond won't be able to say anything back. Gotta go along with the instructions. Just makes it a bit difficult. Whoever is left out should be the easy going one :P
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: Tshern September 09, 2008, 06:25:41 AM
The easy going lawful evil bastard?
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: BowenSilverclaw September 09, 2008, 07:28:40 AM
Eh, guys, Telepathy allows you to communicate as in a normal conversation, both sending and receiving information, so it's two-way (MM p.316).

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: Mister_Sinister September 09, 2008, 09:17:46 AM
Wow, problem solved by rules-reading? :P
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: Irthos Levethix September 09, 2008, 09:24:32 AM
Wellllll alrighty then.  Guess thats solved then, eh?
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: Mister_Sinister September 09, 2008, 10:40:07 AM
And the award for timewasting goes to..... :P
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: Irthos Levethix September 09, 2008, 11:26:05 AM
 :-[ :surrender
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: BowenSilverclaw September 09, 2008, 12:22:09 PM
Hehe, I have to say I find this quite amusing, sorry Irthos  :lol
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: Irthos Levethix September 09, 2008, 12:37:56 PM
Hey, as long as everyone's smiling, right?
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: BowenSilverclaw September 09, 2008, 12:51:27 PM
I couldn't agree more :)

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: AfterCrescent September 09, 2008, 05:05:12 PM
At least we all know that you read up on your abilities, Bowen. :P
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: BowenSilverclaw September 09, 2008, 06:01:34 PM
Well, someone has to :P

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: Mister_Sinister September 09, 2008, 10:02:03 PM
....And it sure as hell wasn't me. :P
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: Tshern September 10, 2008, 07:26:50 AM
For easy reference, would you mind posting all your methods of sensing and observing? Darkvision, true seeing, blindingsight, mindsight and anything you have. Please, include all ranges. Makes it that much easier for all.
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: AfterCrescent September 10, 2008, 07:38:26 AM
Talsor has normal human sight and 60' darkvision from his Bearded devil form.
: Re: OOC banter
: Mister_Sinister September 10, 2008, 08:12:08 AM
Hellborn has blindsight to 60ft, darkvision to 120ft, superior low-light vision. Klovis has diddly-shit all.
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: BowenSilverclaw September 10, 2008, 08:36:02 AM
Morthos:

Senses: Darkvision 60 ft.

Telepathy 100 ft.
Mindsight

- Listen: +2
- Spot: +2
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: Irthos Levethix September 10, 2008, 12:42:26 PM
Syris has Darkvision out to 60ft, and can see in magical darkness.  And I'll generally have Persisted Arcane Sight (effective to 120ft) up, too.
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: Dictum Mortuum September 11, 2008, 07:10:23 PM
Sorry for not posting. Exams are taking all of my personal time and my internet connection was playing tricks.
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: Tshern September 11, 2008, 07:21:34 PM
Sorry for not posting. Exams are taking all of my personal time and my internet connection was playing tricks.
We are not looking for sacrifical lambs here, we play this for fun. Hope your exams are going great.
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: AfterCrescent September 11, 2008, 08:08:13 PM
I agree with Tshern, good luck on the exams. :D

Also, who is our diplomancer? I may look like a cleric of Pelor (mental note: kill Irthos :P) but diplomacy is not my thing. :P
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: Irthos Levethix September 11, 2008, 08:24:16 PM
 :couch

Good question, tho.  Somebody should say something, cause its kinda turning into an awkward silence...

I know, ask him what book he's reading now!
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: AfterCrescent September 11, 2008, 08:51:03 PM
Bah. DM and MS are the only ones with 10+ ranks in Diplomacy. Let them lead :D
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: Mister_Sinister September 11, 2008, 11:20:42 PM
I am flying at 80ft on a dragon. Unless I have a megaphone, there ain't gonna be no diplomancing from me. :P
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: AfterCrescent September 11, 2008, 11:21:57 PM
Well then it's DM unless you plan on speaking through us. ;)
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: Mister_Sinister September 12, 2008, 01:54:09 AM
Lol, the ultimate crib - telepathy. :D
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: Dictum Mortuum September 12, 2008, 06:29:44 AM
ok, i'll do the job.
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: BowenSilverclaw September 12, 2008, 12:21:55 PM
Ah, excellent.

And good luck with those exams, DM :)
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: Irthos Levethix September 12, 2008, 12:35:28 PM
Awww, I kinda liked the idea of Klovis with a megaphone.

"Attention clerics of Pelor!  We're in your base, killin your doodz!"

Guess thats more Intimidate, rather than Diplomacy.  K, its DM's job :D
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: Mister_Sinister September 12, 2008, 01:03:22 PM
You know, next item I want is a magical megaphone. Any ideas on how to make one? Oh, and while I'm at it, I want Hellborn to have searchlights.
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: Tshern September 12, 2008, 01:07:34 PM
Amplify. Bard 1.
: Re: OOC banter
: Mister_Sinister September 12, 2008, 01:11:38 PM
Diplomancing someone over megaphone should be interesting. :D
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: Irthos Levethix September 12, 2008, 02:49:26 PM
:lol   Sounds like some really messed up version of S.W.A.T.

You could even Ghost Sound helicopter rotors.  Bullseye Lantern + Continual Flame for your spotlights.
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: BowenSilverclaw September 12, 2008, 03:00:38 PM
I think I'll use this on my players if they ever break the law in the next campaign I'll run :D

Thanks for the ideas, guys  :lol


So, anyone else thinking about how these guys would look as the 'stars' on an episode of Cops? :P
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: Mister_Sinister September 12, 2008, 11:25:11 PM
I think, if anything, this here TV drama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shield) is far more fitting us, don't you think?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw September 13, 2008, 07:29:57 AM
Hehe, agreed  :D
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: Irthos Levethix September 13, 2008, 09:48:25 AM
This week's nominee for the timewasting award is..... :hide
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: Tshern September 13, 2008, 09:55:01 AM
Told you Mediterranean people are dubious.
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: Dictum Mortuum September 13, 2008, 10:35:29 AM
:P
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: Mister_Sinister September 13, 2008, 12:14:07 PM
Not as dubious as you Finns. :D Or us Russians, for the record.
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: Tshern September 13, 2008, 02:16:02 PM
Sure, you say that until you actually meet those sleezy thieves. For example the Spanish want tourism only because they want to get laid with your wife, daughter, dog and perhaps even you. Not nice.
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: Tshern September 15, 2008, 06:59:52 PM
My ISP's network fell apart today, I'll post IC tomorrow.
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: Dictum Mortuum September 17, 2008, 12:17:06 PM
I finally got some time to spent on the games :D
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: Irthos Levethix September 17, 2008, 02:06:32 PM
Yay!
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: AfterCrescent September 17, 2008, 02:09:01 PM
Welcome back from your tests. :D
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: BowenSilverclaw September 17, 2008, 02:57:00 PM
Good to see you're back, DM :)
I trust it your exams went well?
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: Dictum Mortuum September 19, 2008, 09:06:16 AM
Did well in three. Still have more, but in a week's time.
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: Irthos Levethix September 19, 2008, 07:44:42 PM
Good stuff.  I would post in the game thread, but I'm on my way to much drinking and merriment.  See my rant. 
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: BowenSilverclaw September 19, 2008, 07:57:34 PM
Enjoy the booze then, Irthos :)

I probably won't be able to post tomorrow, but I'll definitely post again on sunday.
But now I'm off to bed, g'night :)

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: Tshern September 19, 2008, 09:01:42 PM
G'night.

And I won't post tomorrow evening, because YUP, the band in my signature, is coming to town!
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent September 20, 2008, 12:27:56 AM
Enjoy the concert. :P
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: Tshern September 20, 2008, 09:15:55 AM
I need to get an autograph from their singer. I really goddamn need to.
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: Irthos Levethix September 20, 2008, 10:02:48 PM
Happy Birthday, Bowen~
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: Tshern September 20, 2008, 11:06:44 PM
Hear, hear.
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: BowenSilverclaw September 21, 2008, 09:05:57 AM
Thanks guys :D

So Tshern, did you manage to get that autograph?
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: Tshern September 21, 2008, 09:44:10 AM
Actually I didn't. What I did do was shake his hand and steal his towel.
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: BowenSilverclaw September 21, 2008, 11:33:09 AM
Hehe, nice  :lol
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: Irthos Levethix September 22, 2008, 07:16:26 PM
Tshern:  About my eyes' report, howbout number of other doorways inside the temple, and possible exits?
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern September 22, 2008, 08:12:05 PM
I'll try to draw a map tomorrow.
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: Irthos Levethix September 22, 2008, 09:51:56 PM
Eek, I'm wasn't trying to make more work for you.
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: Tshern September 23, 2008, 12:31:23 PM
And I tried to write the description, but it was too unclear.
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: Tshern September 23, 2008, 04:16:36 PM
I am postponing the map with a day or two, but here is a rough description.

The middle part of the chapel is approximately 100ft in diameter and the monk is now in the middle of this circle. There are three doors out, main door, the one you used and the the one connecting the graveyard to the church.

In addition to these doors there are five more in the bottom floor of the church. Four of these are positioned in 90 degree angle with each other along the perimeter of the chapel. The fifth one is the one the priests use to walk to the speaker's stand.

The chapel seems to go all the way up the church, but it is clear that there are rooms around it on all levels. So technically the church is like two circles, the smaller of which is inside the larger one. The smaller circle is as high as the church and is open, while the larger circle has several, probably seven or eight floors.

Did that make any sense?
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: BowenSilverclaw September 23, 2008, 04:24:26 PM
I think I have a pretty clear mental image, thanks Tshern :)

Any windows or skylights or other potential ways out besides the doors?
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: Irthos Levethix September 23, 2008, 04:25:52 PM
Yeah, actually.  Is there a skylight at the top of the chapel?  How big around is it, if so?

Edit: My skylight question got ninja'ed by Bowen.  Great minds think alike, eh?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw September 23, 2008, 04:32:40 PM
Apparantly so :)

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: Tshern September 23, 2008, 05:11:43 PM
At the height of 80 feet the smaller circle turns into a dome. Right below the dome the walls are practically made of nothing but beautifully painted windows and while I doubt you have gotten that information from within the church so far (since I haven't heard you following the monk to the chapel), but I am sure you can reach Mister_Sinister's character telepathically. He is probably a bit busy right now, so let's say he has told you that. The windows are approximately seven feet high.
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: BowenSilverclaw September 23, 2008, 05:39:12 PM
[Mr. Burns]Excellent...[/Mr. Burns]

:P
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent September 25, 2008, 12:58:45 PM
Tshern brings up a good question. Should we be spread out for a tactical advantage or close together since we're acting like tired adventurers?
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: BowenSilverclaw September 25, 2008, 01:33:11 PM
Since I'm wearing chain shirt armor I'm not too afraid they'll take me out first being the wizard and all that, but I would feel safer if there are some more beefy types in the neighbourhood :P. And we also don't want to look too suspicious, walking like a bunch of professionals expecting an attack any moment.

What do the rest of you guys think?



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: Irthos Levethix September 26, 2008, 11:47:56 AM
Thats why I'm leaning against a pew, "catching my breath".  I figured we were all fairly close to each other, though. 
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern September 28, 2008, 05:10:02 PM
Tomorrow I shall post again to the IC thread. Bodies, floors, hitting.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw September 28, 2008, 07:01:26 PM
Sounds like fun  :smirk
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern September 29, 2008, 05:46:22 PM
Make that tomorrow. I have to create my level 12 Dread Necro and his cohort tonight as I heard my RL campaign starts tomorrow, not next week. At least I get to play!
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix October 03, 2008, 02:38:08 PM
So, um.... who's turn is it?  I think its mine, but I was waiting to see what happened to Talsor before I posted.  Is that okay?
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: BowenSilverclaw October 03, 2008, 05:26:56 PM
I believe it is, Irthos :)

Do you have any way of dealing with an undead or will you be focusing on Ink?
Also, any suggestions on my next course of action? (I warned you guys this was my first real go at a wizard :P)
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: Irthos Levethix October 03, 2008, 06:32:06 PM
I could Disintegrate the undead, but I was gonna hit Ink with a sneak attack first.  (Assuming he isn't immune to sneak attacks)  Short of the disintegrate, I'm sorely unprepared for undead.  Perhaps one of those guys with the big pointy sticks could take a "stab" at it.  Gods, that was horrible.
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: Tshern October 03, 2008, 09:03:30 PM
: Irthos in the game thread
If have AIM Tshern, I could do some rolls for you on there.
I do have AIM, but unfortunately with an altered name, I had to pick something similar to my normal handle and I found something that almost satisfied me. Contact Tshernobog if you wish.

How are you detecting the possible auras of the spellcaster? With Spellcraft I assume you mean the DC 20+spell level check that allows you to detect spells that are present, but you must be able to see their effects.. I'll let you know more once I get an answer for this.

And Ink is very close to you, so you don't even need a check, he is alive and well.

And I agree, stabbing it is somewhat primitive. Like living in a third world country or something.


Edit: I modified my post back in the game thread. AC, you lost Divine power and Superior resistance.
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: AfterCrescent October 03, 2008, 09:58:06 PM
Son of a bitch! >.<

Wait, are we doing fractional BAB or not?
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 03, 2008, 10:04:17 PM
As far as I know we are not and unless someone remembers me ruling otherwise that will be the case. I am fairly certain I didn't put that into the rule set.

Btw, that Ring of Enduring Arcana of yours saved three of your buffs...
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: AfterCrescent October 03, 2008, 10:14:45 PM
Heh, I knew it would. So glad I bought it.... Okay, updated the character sheet. my saves are down 6 and my BAB down 5. >.<
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: Irthos Levethix October 03, 2008, 10:52:13 PM
How are you detecting the possible auras of the spellcaster? With Spellcraft I assume you mean the DC 20+spell level check that allows you to detect spells that are present, but you must be able to see their effects.. I'll let you know more once I get an answer for this.

Sorry, should have said in my post that I have Arcane Sight up.  You're supposed to make one roll for each, but its faster/easier to just do one roll.  Up to you tho.
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: BowenSilverclaw October 04, 2008, 06:22:26 AM
If you're going to Disintegrate the undead, I suggest Llochlyn's character Llyd gets up and personal with him first. You're the save debuffer, right Llochlyn?

: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent October 04, 2008, 06:23:21 AM
I may not be AS effective now, but I can still lockdown someone. Any votes?
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: BowenSilverclaw October 04, 2008, 07:35:38 AM
I think I'll focus on Ink, since I don't really have anything prepared against Undead at the moment.
Depending on how well the others can deal with the wizard, it would be nice to have someone to keep Ink busy.

Also, any thoughts about wether Psychic Crush is worth is?
The Will save DC is 18, but the enemy gets a +4 bonus, so he only needs a 14 total.
How bad can you sink his saves with your debuffing, Llochlyn? Would it be worth a try then?
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: Irthos Levethix October 04, 2008, 11:32:06 AM
I don't know how much he can debuff people, but a 14 seems pretty easy to hit.  Honestly, I think having the BSF guys beating it with a stick might be one of the better options.  Unless the Vampire can control undead or something.

Edited my post in the game thread, btw.  We'll see what happens...

Also, Tshern, did you ever find an answer to my question about Steal Spell?  It wouldn't apply in this encounter, but I'm still curious.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 04, 2008, 11:37:24 AM
Llochlyn indeed is the debuffer. He can give -4 with Aura of despair and Dark companion, then he has Dreadful wrath, Focalor's Aura of sadness and Imperious command... Can't recall what the three last ones give and not quite sure if I got them right.

Good thing you reminded me of the Steal spell thingee. I try to find an answer for it right now if I have the time. If not, then later tonight.

Edit: That was fast. Yes, you can choose the spell level and it applies to both arcane and divine.
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix October 04, 2008, 12:12:34 PM
Well crap, I didn't mean to kill him.  Oops.  Guess I'll just have to rip that tattoo from his body....

Cool, I thought the steal spell would work that way, but I wasn't sure. 
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 04, 2008, 03:01:10 PM
Very nicely done, Irthos :D

Not to screw you over or anything, but wouldn't a Split Ray Enervation require 2 attack rolls though? Just asking :)


Okay. AfterCrescent, show us what Talsor can do :D
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix October 04, 2008, 04:18:47 PM
I'm AFB, so I'll check when I get home.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 04, 2008, 04:33:27 PM
I'm AFB as well, but I vaguely remembered such a thing, so I figured I'd ask just in case  :blush
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix October 04, 2008, 04:37:59 PM
Hey, it might keep him alive so we can interrogate him later.  I have a juicy little spell(when I re-up my spells) that could be useful, but sadly, it requires his brain to actually be functioning.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 04, 2008, 04:44:25 PM
My worst concern at the moment is the wizard and my own inexperience at playing one... :-[
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent October 04, 2008, 06:11:13 PM
Boom! Talsor charges undead!
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 04, 2008, 10:23:08 PM
He would've died anyway, no two attack rolls required.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 05, 2008, 10:40:02 AM
Llochlyn: Which of your debuffs are mind-affecting abilities?
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 05, 2008, 05:48:30 PM
Dudes, you need to work for your XP. Killing a single servant of Pelor who was nowhere close the CR of a normal brown bear is not enough. Get that undead sucker!
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 05, 2008, 06:00:57 PM
How long will it take for me to get to him through the shortest possible way (I'm assuming that would mean flying/breaking through the windows in the top of the chapel, I have a flight speed of 70 ft. (perfect maneuverability)).
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 05, 2008, 06:21:27 PM
He is only around 100 feet away from the chapel, so you could see him after a single move action, but you'd be faraway from him. My friend Pythagoras says after you exit the window you would be approximately 160 feet from this dude.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 05, 2008, 06:32:54 PM
So medium range spells...
Baleful Polymorph works on Undead, right? Ofcourse that requires extra movement to get within range  :wall  I might have to burn a charge of my Belt of Battle then...
Now let's hope his Fort save isn't boosted significantly   :-\

Llochlyn, Llyd can fly can't he? Can he get close enough to bring his debuffs into play during this round?
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix October 05, 2008, 06:40:50 PM
Baleful Polymorph doesn't work on Undead, as it requires a Fort save and it doesn't affect an object.  And its Close range, anyway.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 05, 2008, 06:43:07 PM
Bugger, forgot about that part, sorry  :blush
Can't wait till next level, I'll finally have Disintegrate  :fo

So, anyone want a Haste or Polymorph?  :eh
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 05, 2008, 08:40:14 PM
Also, I want initiative from you, Mister_Sinister.
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent October 05, 2008, 11:52:01 PM
*Raises Hand* I want haste.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 06, 2008, 04:48:35 AM
Consider it done :)

Say Tshern, psionic/magic transparency is in full effect, right?
I ask because I have 3 uses of Intellect Fortress per day :)

Also, how far do the non-flyers need to travel to get to the graveyard?
I know me and Llochlyn/Llyd can fly out of the temple in 1 round by crashing the windows up high, but what about the rest of the team?
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 06, 2008, 12:43:04 PM
What do you consider to be full effect? I say Mage slayer doesn't reduce ML, but everything else should be transparent.

I'll count that stuff later, I am on a coffee break now.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 06, 2008, 12:51:50 PM
Intellect Fortress reduces the damage you take from Powers and Psi-like Abilities.
With full transparency I mean: does it also reduce the damage taken from Spells and Spell-Like Abilities?

: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent October 06, 2008, 04:55:40 PM
Sweet. Thanks Bowen. That may get me out of the temple in a reasonable amount of time...

Also, don't forget the undead took +6 resistance to saves from me. So his saves are likely fairly buffed...  :pout
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 06, 2008, 05:03:20 PM
Don't mention it :)

Also, his saves don't matter to me anymore at the moment, seeing as I currently don't have any spells prepared that are suitable for dealing with undead  :wall
Doesn't stop me from buffing you guys though :D
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent October 06, 2008, 05:05:01 PM
Well I can pounce all day, and he only gets one contingency... ;)
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 06, 2008, 07:38:50 PM
Intellect Fortress reduces the damage you take from Powers and Psi-like Abilities.
With full transparency I mean: does it also reduce the damage taken from Spells and Spell-Like Abilities?
Yes it does.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 07, 2008, 06:34:26 AM
Ah, that's great, thanks for the clarification Tshern :)

: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 07, 2008, 08:06:00 AM
Once played in a game where Dispel psionics had no effect on magic, but Dispel magic series removed my psi buffs. Sigh...
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent October 07, 2008, 04:56:25 PM
ouch...
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 08, 2008, 03:48:14 PM
Okay, my official stance is that everyone with 30ft movement speed can take a double move to reach the door that is still open. 60 ft to get out.
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent October 08, 2008, 03:53:28 PM
*waits patiently for haste from bowen for a 60' speed*
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 08, 2008, 04:20:49 PM
I believe Dictum Mortuum is up first...


: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix October 08, 2008, 08:47:43 PM
And M_S still needs to roll initiative, so he can spear the snot out of that caster.


Even though undead don't technically have snot...
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 09, 2008, 08:12:19 AM
1d20+8=25. (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/1762467/) So he went straight to the top of the initiative order...
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix October 09, 2008, 08:10:31 PM
Kill it, Kill it, Kill it
: Re: OOC banter
: Dictum Mortuum October 10, 2008, 02:23:52 PM
The bad times are over ^-^ i'm back for good :D
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 10, 2008, 02:25:57 PM
Congrats! Hopefully all went well!

More good news, it's your turn.
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix October 10, 2008, 02:30:02 PM
Glad to have you back, Dictum!
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent October 10, 2008, 02:31:31 PM
Welcome back :D
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 10, 2008, 03:12:38 PM
Good to have you back, Dictum :)

Now get your ass over to the game thread :P
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 12, 2008, 06:27:05 PM
Dictum... *prodprod*
: Re: OOC banter
: Mister_Sinister October 13, 2008, 09:19:16 PM
Hey guys, sorry about my lengthy leave of absence. Now that all my visitors are gone, things should get back to normal with my posting habits.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 13, 2008, 09:45:05 PM
Hooray!
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix October 14, 2008, 01:35:52 AM
Sweet!  Now, if we could just get Dictum in here...
: Re: OOC banter
: Dictum Mortuum October 14, 2008, 07:29:41 AM
Oh sorry, i saw the initiative sequence and somehow i thought i was playing later. Posting now.
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix October 19, 2008, 06:03:32 PM
My girlfriend is in town, haven't been on the computer much.  Haven't had a chance to post IC, but I think I'm going to run out the door and blast a Scorching Ray at him.  No dispels prepared, but maybe that'll take out a few of the images.  I'll try to post in the game thread in the next day or so.

Btw, she n I were talking, and while she won't play D&D with me, she's totally willing to have a sword fight in the living room with plastic weapons.  Thought I'd share :P
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 19, 2008, 06:54:33 PM
That is kind of cool. And don't sweat it, take your time.
: Re: OOC banter
: Dictum Mortuum October 20, 2008, 04:26:08 PM
Btw, she n I were talking, and while she won't play D&D with me, she's totally willing to have a sword fight in the living room with plastic weapons.  Thought I'd share :P

The human body is the most lethal weapon.

(:P)
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 20, 2008, 07:54:57 PM
Especially with Monks and their 15ft dicks.
: Re: OOC banter
: Llochlyn October 21, 2008, 01:24:57 PM
So, these plastic swords... LARPer ?
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent October 21, 2008, 07:58:52 PM
Why has no one stated the obvious? Irthos, the next step is to convince her to sword fight in the nude!
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 22, 2008, 06:22:10 AM
I thought they were doing that already, hardly makes sense with clothes.
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent October 22, 2008, 03:03:47 PM
I thought they were doing that already, hardly makes sense with clothes.
And yet people can be so strange.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 22, 2008, 04:42:35 PM
Mmh, I have the sword, now to get the girlfriend  :blush
: Re: OOC banter
: Dictum Mortuum October 23, 2008, 05:36:20 AM
Mmh, I have the sword, now to get the girlfriend  :blush

Stop actively looking and you will find one :P
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 23, 2008, 09:31:23 AM
Mmh, I have the sword, now to get the girlfriend  :blush

Stop actively looking and you will find one :P
I'm not actively looking  :P
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 23, 2008, 08:09:34 PM
Mmh, I have the sword, now to get the girlfriend  :blush
You could use the sword to get one.
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix October 23, 2008, 08:31:53 PM
Hysterical.  Seriously.

Our first battle was in a Halloween store, so clothes were required.  But believe me, the living room battles won't have that prereq.  Although I still want to see her in a chain mail bikini thing.

Alas, she's gone now, so its back to normal for me.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 24, 2008, 07:56:05 AM
Mmh, I have the sword, now to get the girlfriend  :blush
You could use the sword to get one.
Please elaborate on how a foam sword is going to help me with that  :eh
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 24, 2008, 09:26:24 PM
Mmh, I have the sword, now to get the girlfriend  :blush
You could use the sword to get one.
Please elaborate on how a foam sword is going to help me with that  :eh
Foam? I don't speak wussy.

I'll post IC tomorrow.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 25, 2008, 07:35:20 AM
What, you didn't think Irthos' halloween store swordfight would use real swords, now did you? :P
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 25, 2008, 03:12:00 PM
Anything less than a real sword is for losers. Hence the army.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 25, 2008, 03:32:26 PM
Don't judge me :P

Heck, I've tried real swords a couple of times before, especially hand-and-a-half-swords (bastard swords), they're just close to impossible to come by over here and I don't have the time to join a medieval re-enactment group.
So I got the foam one for laughs with a lady friend of mine who's an avid fan of fantasy so we could fool around every now and then :)

: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 25, 2008, 06:37:07 PM
Automatic weapons are easier anyway.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 25, 2008, 06:42:42 PM
No doubt about it, I don't have any experience with fire-arms though.
As far as style goes, I'd go with the sword, but as for effectiveness in modern times I'd go with the automatic weapon, I'm not a complete fool :P

Say, what kind off automatic weapons does the Finnish military use anyway?
Basic M-16? You don't use AK's, right?
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 25, 2008, 07:00:20 PM
M-16s and AKs are wankers' guns. We have our own, RK-95. Its older model basically functions like AK, but has more adjustability and the new is just golden. Here's a picture of one of my honey's sisters:

(http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/532/7_62_RK_95_TP.jpg)

Edit: Incidentally, the predecessor of this gun was mentioned in Jackie Brown when Samuel L. Jackson was showing some random gun tape.

: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 29, 2008, 06:19:23 AM
Happy birthday, AfterCrescent :)
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent October 29, 2008, 03:29:35 PM
Thanks :D
I guess it does always help to check my PbPs daily. ;)
: Re: OOC banter
: Llochlyn October 29, 2008, 06:00:43 PM
I know a smithie somewhere in some Eastern Europe country who ships. Maybe you could get some real no wussy swords this way :p

Makes most of the swords for my fencing class buddies (yeah, I learn medieval fencing. After the atomic holocaust, ammo will get sparse. Think of it. Also, totally badass) and they're pretty good. Don't have my own yet, still need to find what, errr, style suits me best.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw October 30, 2008, 10:34:26 AM
Mmh, sounds interesting :)
For me it would have to be a hand-and-a-half-sword :D
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern October 30, 2008, 11:15:41 AM
Bayonet for me.
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix November 02, 2008, 03:15:36 PM
Your turn, M_S.  Let 'em have it :)
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw November 02, 2008, 03:21:16 PM
Yeah, M_S, finish it :)
Between Klovis and Hellfire, you should have some 5 to 6 attacks, that should do the trick, right?


Also, Tshern, would you go with a bayonet even if you didn't have any ammo for the gun it was attached to?



~Bowen
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern November 02, 2008, 04:02:35 PM
An impossible scenario, when I am out of bullets there will be plenty of corpses for me to loot. In a theoretical situation, I'd use a polearm of some sort, I know a little something about them.
: Re: OOC banter
: Llochlyn November 03, 2008, 01:00:50 PM
Connexion was down, glad I didn't miss too much :p
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw November 03, 2008, 01:23:25 PM
Say, did Dictum's attack do anything? He said the dice roller didn't work when he first posted...
: Re: OOC banter
: Dictum Mortuum November 03, 2008, 04:17:04 PM
Say, did Dictum's attack do anything? He said the dice roller didn't work when he first posted...

And it still is broken for me x_x
Wtf?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw November 03, 2008, 04:47:15 PM
Are you using Invisible Castle as well?
It's been working fine for me all the time  ???
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern November 03, 2008, 04:49:08 PM
I asked in the game thread what the attack was. If needed, I can roll for him.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw November 05, 2008, 03:43:02 PM
So, anyone have any idea where Mister_Sinister is at?
The game can't continue until Klovis and Hellborn act :)

: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix November 08, 2008, 03:51:17 PM
I've seen him online, and posting in other places.  No way he forgot about his badass dracolich-riding vampire.... is there? 

Kick some skeletal ass, M_S!!
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent November 08, 2008, 10:03:56 PM
He's on the up and coming. He should be here soon. If I find him on MSN, I'll kick him over here. :D
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern November 09, 2008, 01:14:51 PM
Wow, we are still here. I was sort of unable to read the forums yesterday and this morning...
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw November 09, 2008, 03:17:51 PM
No prob, Tshern, it's not like there's been a lot going on here :P

Also, I sent Mister_Sinister a PM, hope he reads it :)

EDIT: If anyone wants to try out a Shugenja or is looking for some basic PbP action: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=2460.msg81679#msg81679 (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=2460.msg81679#msg81679)


: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent November 09, 2008, 07:50:14 PM
I saw MS on MSN last night and told him to get his ass over here. :D
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw November 12, 2008, 09:36:46 AM
And a happy birthday to Llochlyn :D
: Re: OOC banter
: Dictum Mortuum November 12, 2008, 01:58:04 PM
HB :D
: Re: OOC banter
: Llochlyn November 13, 2008, 10:07:22 AM
glee !
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix November 13, 2008, 07:18:38 PM
*Twiddles thumbs*

Happy belated birthday, Lloch.
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent November 13, 2008, 08:41:51 PM
Yeah, happy belated. :D I thought I responded yesterday... oops.  :blush
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern November 14, 2008, 11:12:05 AM
AC, you clearly don't care. Not nice.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw November 14, 2008, 12:44:46 PM
It's not like you posted anything, Tshern :P

BTW, anyone hear of Sinister? He replied to my PM earlier this week saying that he'd get to posting soon, but nothing since ???
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern November 14, 2008, 03:00:59 PM
Oh yeah, forgot to pester him about it today. Shit.

Also, why did you pick that crappier avatar? I want your bear back, it was badass.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw November 14, 2008, 03:11:35 PM
Oh yeah, forgot to pester him about it today. Shit.

Also, why did you pick that crappier avatar? I want your bear back, it was badass.
Something seems wrong with the forum, it won't display my bear anymore (also, thanks for the compliment :)), and if I try to upload it to my profile as my avatar again it says it's too big to be an avatar.

So in order to still have some kind of avatar I went with the most bad-ass person available via BG's standard avatars...
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix November 18, 2008, 12:55:36 AM
Did anyone ever hear from Mister Sinister?  I've gained like 15 levels in my MMO since this game's moved.  Hell, Dictum's resorted to playing d2.  Stop the madness!!!!
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern November 18, 2008, 04:00:05 AM
And I still haven't heard Dictum's response to my questions. No idea what spell did he use.
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix November 18, 2008, 10:26:46 AM
Judging by where we're at now, I'd say Dictum cast Banishment on Mister Sinister.
: Re: OOC banter
: Dictum Mortuum November 18, 2008, 12:45:54 PM
And I still haven't heard Dictum's response to my questions. No idea what spell did he use.

Man, it was in the spoiler block under the image :P? Couldn't you hide it better? ^o^ haha

Darkfire, page 59, spell compendium
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern November 18, 2008, 12:59:24 PM
Thanks.

Sorry, but I won't put up any IC stuff today. My grandmother is going to, with a high likelihood, pass away during the next few days, so I'll definitely have other stuff on my mind. I will keep you informed and I will probably be ready to continue tomorrow.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw November 18, 2008, 01:46:07 PM
Take care, Tshern.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern November 18, 2008, 03:20:50 PM
Take care, Tshern.
Finally something I can't blame on the Americans! Well, I can always try.
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix November 18, 2008, 03:44:47 PM
Hey now!  Don't make me come put a down payment on your new apartment =P
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern November 18, 2008, 05:45:35 PM
Heck, I alone could pay the downpayment right off the bat, it's the one pussyass we depend on that makes me worried.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw November 23, 2008, 05:56:17 PM
So, I take it no one has heard of Mister_Sinister yet?

: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern November 23, 2008, 06:04:42 PM
Fuck, I need to remind him tonight. Thanks for the heads up.

Also, I'll get back to this tomorrow, all of the funeral-related preparations have been taken care of now.
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent November 24, 2008, 03:54:23 PM
I prodded him a few days ago when I last was on MSN. I guess he got distracted  :banghead
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix November 25, 2008, 03:15:43 PM
I cast Magic Missile at the darkness.

wait, I don't know magic missile.... shit.
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent November 25, 2008, 04:10:50 PM
You don't know magic missile? Worst Wizard Ever.  :p
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix November 26, 2008, 03:55:56 PM
I know, right?  What the hell is wrong with me.  Morthos, lemme borrow your spellbook.  Seems like we have time to scribe some stuff anyways.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw November 26, 2008, 04:03:46 PM
Yeah, no problem, you'll definitely need it, Irthos.

[spoiler]Especially when we encounter the darkness :P[/spoiler]


: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern November 28, 2008, 08:21:31 AM
I am sorry for my absence, my internet stopped working for two days with no apparent reason. I'll post IC today when I feel a little less sick.
: Re: OOC banter
: Dictum Mortuum November 30, 2008, 05:56:29 AM
yay!
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern November 30, 2008, 07:13:20 AM
Okay, enough, one of you post M_S' actions.
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix November 30, 2008, 05:23:13 PM
Yay!
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw November 30, 2008, 05:27:09 PM
Done, looking forward to getting this game rolling again :D

: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix December 09, 2008, 02:27:59 PM
Has anyone heard from Tshern?  He hasn't logged on in a week, very un-Tshern.  I hope he didn't die, cause that would totally suck.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw December 10, 2008, 07:02:52 AM
Haven't seen him on MSN either...
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern December 10, 2008, 07:33:27 AM
Yo! I had a little war with my ISP and the only casualty was my internet connection. Everything ought to be fine now, so I'll get to IC posting when I get off from work tonight. Thanks for thy patience.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw December 10, 2008, 07:39:35 AM
No prob, good to see you're back :)
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern December 18, 2008, 04:57:19 PM
Seemingly M_S lacks interest for the game, thus I am asking you: Do you, for the sake of keeping this moving, put him out of this after the encounter until he gets back? We can always put him on a temporary hiatus and he can rejoin when he is ready.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern December 18, 2008, 05:08:07 PM
Also, I suggest you get a level for every two encounters. Makes sense for a PbP, right? Do not worry, I will still handle loot somehow.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern December 20, 2008, 01:18:04 PM
Talked this through with M_S. He is alright with retiring his character until he can get his RL stuff together. Now we can keep going if you guys are still up to it.
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix December 22, 2008, 04:15:07 PM
I'm still very interested in this game.  Now that the badguy is dead we can move on.

Besides, its not that far-fetched to say Klovis gets called back by Tiamat or something.

Are you planning on recruiting someone to fill his spot, or do we carry on as a 5 man party?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw December 22, 2008, 04:18:06 PM
I'm also still interested :)
My posts might be somewhat lacking in the RP department for the next month or so, but that's because I'm also busy preparing for 4 tests in january.


~Bowen
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern December 22, 2008, 06:06:17 PM
Klovis is actually working for Asmodeus' son, Lixer. Llochlyn's fellow works for Tiamat.
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix December 27, 2008, 06:32:27 PM
So.... what now guys?  There's been little to no activity in this game for some time now.  The caster's dead.... who's turn, what to do?

I really like this game, the whole setting and story... Please don't let it die!
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw December 27, 2008, 06:40:17 PM
Agreed, I'm still in :)

: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern December 27, 2008, 06:41:37 PM
I am ready to continue, however Llochlyn and AfterCrescent. Opening another recruit for this would take a long time, so I try to contact them, ask what's going on and decide whether the two of you are going to continue duo at least for a while.
: Re: OOC banter
: Dictum Mortuum December 30, 2008, 07:50:35 AM
I like this game, too
Don't let it die :p
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent January 05, 2009, 06:21:56 PM
Sorry I've been out. I'm back now, and also wish to continue this game. :D
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw January 05, 2009, 06:24:56 PM
Awesome :)
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern January 05, 2009, 07:07:30 PM
So we've got three dudes?

Three options:
-We continue with you three and see if the others come back.
-We put this on a hiatus and draft more optimizers.
-We continue and open a draft thread for prospectives corpses.

Personally I favour number three.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw January 05, 2009, 07:10:28 PM
We've got 4 dudes atm,
DM, AC, Irthos and myself :)

Anywho, I'm cool with opening a draft for 1 or 2 more people if that's okay with the rest of you guys as well,
but let's get this show on the road again :D
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern January 05, 2009, 07:13:07 PM
Oh yeah, so it seems. Why the fuck are you not posting IC then and looting the fucker?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw January 05, 2009, 07:15:38 PM
Maybe because we're looking if we can identify the angry mob and see if they pose a threat? :P
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern January 05, 2009, 07:38:10 PM
Where's the IC for that?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw January 06, 2009, 08:33:03 AM
Done :D
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix January 06, 2009, 11:18:37 AM
Agreed on Option #3.  Glad to see this game moving again :)
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern January 07, 2009, 11:59:38 PM
Because Bowen asked for these:

Dispater: Known as His Iron Grace, The Lord of the Second, The Iron Duke and by many other names, Dispater is the Lord of the Second in the Nine Hells of Perdition. He endorses endless toil to no avail, while he reaps all the benefits. He is the perfect image of a corrupt CEO, who never does anything, but makes sure no-one else gets a thing, while he accumulates tremendous amounts of power. Dispater is perhaps the most paranoid creature in Cosmos and he is known to have several contingencies for all situations. Politically he is allied with the Lord of the Eighth, Mephistopheles, another devil true. However, Dispater is at odds with the Fallen who are mostly represented by Belial and Beelzebub, the Lords of the Fourth and Seventh.

Asmodeus: Asmodeus is the current Lord of the Nine. He is the leader of organized evil in every way and every place. He is the ultimate power within the limits of Nine Hells and he can demote and promote devils at will. His powers are enough to even humble a Lord of the Nine with a mere flick of the wrist. Only Asmodeus and Lucifer know that they are avatars of the Overlord of Hell and, thus, essentially the same creature. Asmodeus' coup against Lucifer was but a ploy to make rest of the world see the Nine Hells of Perdition as a surmountable threat.

Lucifer: Lucifer the Satan is the original Lord of the Nine. He created all the lesser devils (Pit fiends and all the lower ones) with a gesture and made all the Lords bow before his might. He started the Blood War and all the fights against the Realms Above, but he was drawing too much attention towards Hell and the Overlord decided to create another avatar to replace him: Asmodeus. During the Battles of Light and Greed, Asmodeus prevailed while Lucifer fled, but now he is back for revenge. No-one truly knows he is but an aspect of the Overlord and, by extension, only a piece of his newest plan against Creation.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw January 08, 2009, 08:10:35 AM
Thanks :)
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern January 08, 2009, 09:20:30 AM
I was wasted when I wrote that, so I don't take any responsibility for any typos.
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix January 09, 2009, 03:08:22 PM
Ah, stuff got posted on the game board!  Sweet!  I hadn't checked it in a few days, I'll get around to posting IC today or tonight. 
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: Tshern January 09, 2009, 03:53:16 PM
Ah, stuff got posted on the game board!  Sweet!  I hadn't checked it in a few days, I'll get around to posting IC today or tonight. 
Good, good!
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: BowenSilverclaw January 09, 2009, 05:45:34 PM
Glad to see everyone's picking this up again :)

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: Irthos Levethix January 13, 2009, 04:12:02 PM
So are we hopping back to Avernus, or are we waiting for a bit of recon on the angry mob and/or continuing to search for Sigmund?

Asking in the OOC thread cuz it feels more like player chat.
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: AfterCrescent January 13, 2009, 06:26:17 PM
I'm trying to stick to the Lawful aspect of my alignment, so I vote for find Sigmund. If the mob becomes a threat, we can tactfully retreat until we find him. I'm hesitant to return to the second layer without Sigmund.
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: Tshern January 13, 2009, 08:31:55 PM
No, not back to Avernus. That is not where you want to be, Irthos. Well, I wouldn't anyway.

Also, your characters are smart enough to realize the implication the devil made (might've been my bad typing) that Sigmund is not there anymore.

As my final note, the mob is around a mile away from you anymore. They move fast, I'll give you 13 minutes.
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: Irthos Levethix January 14, 2009, 01:09:20 AM
Agreed.  I didn't really wanna leave, just seeing what people were thinking.
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: Tshern January 23, 2009, 04:55:05 PM
I am starting a thread for recruiting dudes.
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: skydragonknight January 24, 2009, 06:31:46 PM
40 pages of banter O.O
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: Tshern January 24, 2009, 06:42:04 PM
And eleven pages of actual game. You, my friend, are needed here. Please check the information center, it has some brief infomercals.
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: BowenSilverclaw January 24, 2009, 08:26:52 PM

And eleven pages of actual game. You, my friend, are needed here. Please check the information center, it has some brief infomercals.
*Order the new Hulk Hogan barbeque now and receive a free set of '80's souvenirs for free*
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: Tshern January 24, 2009, 08:29:56 PM
Hulk Hogan... You gained six levels.
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: BowenSilverclaw January 24, 2009, 09:03:27 PM
More Incantatrix FTW :D

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: PhaedrusXY January 25, 2009, 02:07:28 AM
Hulk Hogan... You gained six levels.
Did I ever mention that I have a tattoo of Hulk Hogan on my ass?




Butt seriously... it may take me a while to update this character... It was on a 40 point buy before, so I'm going to have to dump some stats down. What is the wealth for a level 12 anyway? Or maybe I should add some template to get some stat boosts, since I could use LA to buy it off. :D I rather like the idea of him starting out as a normal old human, though, and then becoming a horrific monster.  :devil
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: BowenSilverclaw January 25, 2009, 12:03:45 PM
Have you thought about this yet, Tshern? (notably the part about me and DM catching up to the party :P):

http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=3366.msg104317#msg104317 (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=3366.msg104317#msg104317)
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: AfterCrescent January 25, 2009, 04:08:38 PM
Welcome SDK & Phaedrus!  Glad to have more people on board.

Very interesting character, Phaedrus. Looks fun. :D
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: skydragonknight January 25, 2009, 11:52:43 PM
Alright. Character sheet is up. It's about Ver 0.8 or 0.9 now.

A list of randomness that might require DM approval(mostly formalities):

-Elder Evil Devotion(Mephistopheles)
-Combined Greater Chausible of Fell Power with Reliquary Holy Symbol as one magic item- I figure I'm an Eldritch Disciple so it sorta makes sense flavorwise.
-Stacking Skin of Ectoplasmic Armor with Magic Vestment, since SoEA provides an Armor bonus(instead of an enhancement) and even counts as armor for class features and movement.
-Letting Magic Vestment(+3 bonus) qualify Skin of Ectoplasmic Armor as being a viable target for Greater Iron Ward Diamond Armor Crystal(MIC)- greater crystals require a +3 enhancement bonus in the armor to count, so it's non-functional if Magic Vestment is dispelled. I have Magic Vestment on 24/7: it's simply another case of letting a spell qualify in place of a permanent effect, which some DMs aren't comfortable with so I'll give you veto rights on that.
-Letting Persistent Divine Power qualify me for Robilar's Gambit at 12th level.

And Question:
Also, Mortalbane is 5/day? I don't have BoVD and only managed to find a forum reference to it as being 5/day, but the Warlock Information Compilation doesn't mention that, so just asking for confirmation.
I found the Deformity feats off of a web preview for Heroes of Horror so I'm assuming for the moment they are correct as they are written on the preview. I have the sourcebook for everything else on my sheet. :)
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: BowenSilverclaw January 26, 2009, 03:39:45 AM
Oow, shiny :)


Say Tshern, I have a couple of questions (originally posted in bogsnes' Factotum thread):

1) About LA-buyback and XP:
[spoiler]The way we did it with me and DM (he has the Phrenic template as well IIRC) was by saying that at character creation everyone had exactly enough XP to be level 12. If you wanted a template, you were allowed to use LA-buyback, but the XP used for that was taken from your starting XP total. That's why both DM and myself started with 10 class levels and count as ECL 10.

However, now that you mention that houserule again, Tshern, I just thought of something. With the traditional xp system me and DM would be able to catch up with the party, since we'd get more xp being lower level and all that (the whole 'experience is a river' concept).
Have you thought about how/if you're going to solve that issue with your houserule?[/spoiler]

2) About retraining (since you let bogsnes retrain his Magical Location feat :P):
[spoiler]Say Tshern, would you allow retraining for my Vile feats into something else or do I have to wait 'till level 15 for the DCFS?[/spoiler]

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: Tshern January 26, 2009, 08:32:20 AM
-Elder Evil Devotion(Mephistopheles)
Deal.

-Combined Greater Chausible of Fell Power with Reliquary Holy Symbol as one magic item- I figure I'm an Eldritch Disciple so it sorta makes sense flavorwise.
Source for the first item. Should be okay though.

-Stacking Skin of Ectoplasmic Armor with Magic Vestment, since SoEA provides an Armor bonus(instead of an enhancement) and even counts as armor for class features and movement.
Fine.

-Letting Magic Vestment(+3 bonus) qualify Skin of Ectoplasmic Armor as being a viable target for Greater Iron Ward Diamond Armor Crystal(MIC)- greater crystals require a +3 enhancement bonus in the armor to count, so it's non-functional if Magic Vestment is dispelled. I have Magic Vestment on 24/7: it's simply another case of letting a spell qualify in place of a permanent effect, which some DMs aren't comfortable with so I'll give you veto rights on that.
I'll get back to you on this.

-Letting Persistent Divine Power qualify me for Robilar's Gambit at 12th level.
Sure.

My man in the Netherlands: Vile feat retraining sounds dubious. Retrain magical locations. DCFS is also okay at level 15 (or when Phaedrus qualifies for it), but it *might* be used against you.
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: bogsnes January 26, 2009, 11:15:58 AM
My character prefers to hold his last name a secret if that is okay...

how much exp will I have in the crafting pool?
and also, what are the elder evil devotion feats?
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: BowenSilverclaw January 26, 2009, 11:21:18 AM
Elder Evil Devotion can be found in the book Elder Evils :D

You basically devote yourself to an Elder Evil (Tshern has given me the OK to devote myself to Dispater) and in return you get a bonus Vile Feat at levels 1,5,10,15 and 20. A list can be found here (for a complete description you'll have to check the book):
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4ex/20071203a&page=3 (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4ex/20071203a&page=3)

Note that you can only choose those specific Vile Feats as bonus feats, you can't pick any other Vile Feats, from the BoVD for example, as your bonus feats.

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: skydragonknight January 26, 2009, 12:39:06 PM
@Tshern: Greater Chausable of Fell Power is also in the MIC.


Note that you can only choose those specific Vile Feats as bonus feats, you can't pick any other Vile Feats, from the BoVD for example, as your bonus feats.

:/ Well there goes Mortalbane. Easily enough replaced by Apostate, although I'd like to know that feat's details...there's got to be a catch.
If it's one of those things where you HAVE to make the saving throws whether you want them or not then I hope I can at least voluntarily fail against my own spells.

Are other deformity feats fine for Elder Evil Devotion other than what's on the list? I would like to continue to get uglier in more creative ways as I gain levels. :P
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: Irthos Levethix January 26, 2009, 12:55:45 PM
Nice to see you guys all have your characters (almost)ready.  Look forward to seein ya in-game!
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: PhaedrusXY January 26, 2009, 02:11:26 PM
: BowenSilverclaw
However, now that you mention that houserule again, Tshern, I just thought of something. With the traditional xp system me and DM would be able to catch up with the party, since we'd get more xp being lower level and all that (the whole 'experience is a river' concept).
Have you thought about how/if you're going to solve that issue with your houserule?
I was going to ask about XP, also. If I don't use LA buyoff, can I say he spent some XP on other things (like crafting, casting Limited Wish, etc)? How much XP do we start with? Exactly enough to be level 12? Halfway to the next? If he'd spent some earlier, would he have caught back up, like how the LA buyoff works normally?

Hmm... maybe instead of taking a template, and using LA buyoff, I could say he spent some XP spellstitching an undead with some SLAs he wants to have access to occasionally. (I considered just making him a necropolitan, and spellstitching himself, but I'm not sure how that would work since he doesn't have a body...)

Another thing I thought of: how are you going to handle buffs when I change bodies? Will they all go with me, stay with the body I cast them in, can I choose which stays and which goes, or something else? :D
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: bogsnes January 26, 2009, 03:35:44 PM
Elder Evil Devotion can be found in the book Elder Evils :D

You basically devote yourself to an Elder Evil (Tshern has given me the OK to devote myself to Dispater) and in return you get a bonus Vile Feat at levels 1,5,10,15 and 20. A list can be found here (for a complete description you'll have to check the book):
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4ex/20071203a&page=3 (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4ex/20071203a&page=3)

Note that you can only choose those specific Vile Feats as bonus feats, you can't pick any other Vile Feats, from the BoVD for example, as your bonus feats.



Is there any very hard requirements to devote yourself to Dispater? or special things I have to do, or special rules I have to follow?
If not, I will devote me to him...
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: PhaedrusXY January 26, 2009, 03:50:28 PM
Is there any very hard requirements to devote yourself to Dispater? or special things I have to do, or special rules I have to follow?
If not, I will devote me to him...
Me too. :D
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: Tshern January 26, 2009, 04:02:32 PM
There are no requirement. As an exception to the rule, Elder Evils do not grant spells. This, however, is countered by a house rule; Dispater can still grant spells.

SDK: With Apostate you must make saving throws when appropriate. Sucks, but I suppose that's sort of understandable.

PhaedrusXY: Mental buffs, such as Moment of prescience, will change bodies with you, but the likes of Divine power are effecting the body and thus will remain on your previously possessed form.

And I believe I could give a certain amount of experience to everyone that can be spend to pre-game crafting, LA buy off and whatever you want. Say, 5k for everyone. This applies to all the original players too, so change your sheets accordingly.
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: PhaedrusXY January 26, 2009, 04:17:43 PM
PhaedrusXY: Mental buffs, such as Moment of prescience, will change bodies with you, but the likes of Divine power are effecting the body and thus will remain on your previously possessed form.
Great. Some spells aren't as cut and dried though, such as Consumptive Field (buffs caster level, Str, and temporary hit points). Are we going to make a case by case determination when they come up? Or will the effects be split, with mental ones going and physical ones staying?
And I believe I could give a certain amount of experience to everyone that can be spend to pre-game crafting, LA buy off and whatever you want. Say, 5k for everyone. This applies to all the original players too, so change your sheets accordingly.
Excellent. :D
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: bogsnes January 26, 2009, 04:27:57 PM
There are now requirement.
where can I find them?
As an exception to the rule, Elder Evils do not grant spells. This, however, is countered by a house rule; Dispater can still grant spells.
What do you mean with this? that you can't usually have spells from class levels either?
And I believe I could give a certain amount of experience to everyone that can be spend to pre-game crafting, LA buy off and whatever you want. Say, 5k for everyone. This applies to all the original players too, so change your sheets accordingly.
Okay...
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: BowenSilverclaw January 26, 2009, 04:28:25 PM
Awesome :D
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: bogsnes January 26, 2009, 04:29:44 PM
I will use Dark Template, then...
I will also buy it away at level 3 so I will use 2kgp from my pool...
EDIT: I mean 3kgp
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: PhaedrusXY January 26, 2009, 04:32:40 PM
What do you mean with this? that you can't usually have spells from class levels either?
Dispater is technically not a deity, and neither are Elder Evils. So they can't normally grant spells to clerics who pray to them. Dispater can in this game, though.
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: bogsnes January 26, 2009, 04:47:32 PM
okay...

Is there anyone that can help with what magic items since I am very bad at that?
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: Irthos Levethix January 26, 2009, 05:24:26 PM
I don't know if it qualifies as "help", but I basically made a list of body slots, and went through books finding stuff that seemed useful//appropriate to fill them. 

I.E, headband of intellect for my head, eyes of the eagle for the eyes, etc.

The MiC is particularly suited for this method, as the back of the book has an index of the items sorted by body slot.  The DMG, you just gotta read the entries.

Also bognes, I believe Tshern meant that there are no* requirements, not now*

@Tshern - Does the 5k xp pool mean I could go back and add a template, provided I could pay off the xp cost with that 5k?
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: BowenSilverclaw January 26, 2009, 05:28:56 PM
For me that extra XP meant I had just enough to hit level 11 :D

: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes January 26, 2009, 05:31:12 PM
then I'll use Elder Evil Devotion
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: BowenSilverclaw January 26, 2009, 05:37:09 PM
Welcome to the cult :D
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: PhaedrusXY January 26, 2009, 06:19:00 PM
I don't have the books necessary, but I'd like to use the Elder Evil devotion. Could someone PM me anything not covered in the online excerpt for the following feats: Harvestor of Souls, Evil's Blessing (what kind of action is this?), Dark Speech (lots of stuff left out on this one... ), Apostate (action type? Tshern said something about a saving throw?). Thanks.


Also, any suggestions on spells prepared? I'm not crazy about some of the ones I have down, but don't know what to replace them with. I'm not all that familiar with alot of the stuff from newer books (or even ones that aren't that new... :P ). I'm pretty much done, I think, otherwise. Some spells I only prepare on odd days, and others on even days, due to buffing with spells that have 2 day durations...

0: Detect Magic (x2), No Light (x3), Amaneunsis (copies up to 250 words/min, 10 min/lvl)
1: Obscuring Mist, Comprehend Languages, Detect Law, Disguise Self(d), Ebon Eyes, Lesser Vigor (x2)
2: [Resist Energy (odd, Extended with Rod) or Necrotic Scrying (even)], Silence, Necrotic Cyst, Ray of Enfeeblement(d), Eagles Splendor
3: Magic Vestment (Extended via Rod), Mass Resist Energy, Meld into Stone, Invisibility Purge, Mass Conviction
4: Dimensional Anchor, Freedom of Movement, Death Ward, Air Walk
5: Plane Shift, True Seeing, Extended DMM: Persistent [Consumptive Field (odd) or Divine Power (even)], Extended Greater Magic Weapon
6: Extended DMM: Persistent [Righteous Might (even) or Righteous Wrath of the Faithful (odd)], Greater Dispel Magic, Heal
7: Greater Plane Shift, Extended Superior Resistance
: Re: OOC banter
: PhaedrusXY January 26, 2009, 06:24:06 PM
Is there anyone that can help with what magic items since I am very bad at that?
Look through the Bunko's thread. I think the version on this website is the one being updated. Link: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=350.0

I'm sure we can help you out with some buffs, also. We have tons of casters. Maybe Bowen's Incantatrix can help us Chain some stuff like Greater Magic Weapon?
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: BowenSilverclaw January 27, 2009, 07:58:41 AM
Sorry, don't have Chain Spell yet...
Would need a Metamagic Storm or a Metamagic Rod for that right now...

If you're talking about my Incantatrix abilities, they're always open to party use.
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: bogsnes January 27, 2009, 10:23:29 AM
okay, thanks...

I have a few more questions I need to know before I finish my character...
1. Can I qualify for Manyshot with 16 Dex and +2 gloves?
2. Is there any allowed LA +0 Races with +4 Int modifier or better? (I'd guess that the Beguiler with it's constant True Seeing is not)
3. Is there any LA +1 templates with Int bonus?

To BowenSilverclaw:
Can you buy off a level from LA +2 with 5kXP? don't you need 7k (lvl 6 +2 LA = ECL 8 = 7kXP?)
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: bogsnes January 27, 2009, 10:35:19 AM
I was wondering if "Belt of Many Pockets" was more useful to me than a Belt of Battle?

and also, I know that UPD and Psicraft not are skills, but are Know (Psionics) that?

EDIT: And can the weapon enchancement that gives +5 on Initiative be used when my weapon is in my sheath?
EDIT2: And at last, hopefully, is one dose of poison one ounce?
and is there any items I have overlooked that gives permanent bonuses to initiative all day?
EDIT3: Looks like I have best Initiative in the group with my +17 modifier :evillaugh
EDIT4: Okay, I have one more question... can you buy off bloodlines? If you can, and there is no LA +1 Templates that gives Int boost, then I will want a minor Genie (Djinni) Bloodline instead of my Dark Template (Dex boost and Imp Initiative = even higher Initiative bonus)
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: PhaedrusXY January 27, 2009, 01:18:12 PM
You can get the Dark template from a magic item (Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis, 22,000 gp, Tome of Magic).

I'd say Belt of Battle is alot more useful than Belt of Many Pockets. Just get a Handy Haversack.

I'm sure there are LA+1 templates that give int boosts. There is a thread on LA races on 339 which you can find via Surreal's Handy Links thread. I think Shadow Walker (Unapproachable East) gives +2 Int, and it also qualifies you for Teflemmar Shadow Walker.

Edit: Well... I guess those threads don't actually list stats for the different races and templates...

Sorry, don't have Chain Spell yet...
You have it listed on your Myth-weavers character sheet... :P
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: PhaedrusXY January 27, 2009, 01:33:57 PM
I prepped an extra Extended Greater Magic Weapon for you Bogsnes. So don't bother getting more than the minimum +1 enhancement bonus to your weapon. I can also give you a Superior Resistance (+6 to all saves), so don't buy a Cloak of Resistance, either. :D

I also prepped a Persistent Righteous Wrath of the Faithful. I'd forgotten about that spell, but damn it's nice. :D That will give everyone a +3 morale bonus to attack and damage, and an extra attack at their highest bonus.
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: bogsnes January 27, 2009, 03:03:54 PM
I prepped an extra Extended Greater Magic Weapon for you Bogsnes. So don't bother getting more than the minimum +1 enhancement bonus to your weapon. I can also give you a Superior Resistance (+6 to all saves), so don't buy a Cloak of Resistance, either. :D

I also prepped a Persistent Righteous Wrath of the Faithful. I'd forgotten about that spell, but damn it's nice. :D That will give everyone a +3 morale bonus to attack and damage, and an extra attack at their highest bonus.

Thanks... Nice of you to do that...

Is the Beguiler race from Forgotten Realms Shining South page 60 allowed?

The one with 2 Claws, Bite, Tail to wield weapons, +6 Dex, +2 Int, -4 Str, Darkvision 60, Low-light Vision, Constant TRUE SEEING, +8 Hide, +8 Climb, can always take ten in climb and NO LA!!!
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: BowenSilverclaw January 27, 2009, 03:06:13 PM
Aye, a very nice choice indeed for a skill-monkey type :)
I'm currently playing one in another PbP game on these boards.
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: skydragonknight January 27, 2009, 03:08:42 PM
Jarkar V. 1.0 is now released!

Changes since the last version:
-Edit: Saw free XP post. Is now randomly Draconic-templated with LA buyback.
-Spells now prepared
-Elder Evil Feats changed; still waiting on permission to use deformities other than the ones in Elder Evils: by level 20 I want to be a freakshow.
-Gave up Law Domain for Law Devotion
-Dropped Cloak of Resistance+2, Greater Iron Ward Diamond(only works in heavy armor apparently :/), Bracers of Opportunity and Ectoplasmic Skin (+20300 for 23300 gold available)
-Acquired Lesser Lifekeeping Armor Crystal, another Nightstick and "Lesser Infernal Armor": evil-flavored Celestial Armor(DMG) but +1 instead of +3(14400 gold instead of 22400 gold; also pending DM permission) (22900 spent out of 23300 available funds for 400 gold left)
-New Persisted Spell: Recitation. +2 luck bonus to stuff for Dispater/Tiamat lovers. +3 luck bonus for me. :D

Request: Eldritch Chain, Vitriolic Blast(when I get it) and invocations which use "Warlock Level" use "Warlock Caster Level" instead. Eldritch Blast still uses Effective Warlock Level for invocations unless DM is crazy/generous and let's it use caster level.

Question(because this will come up in game otherwise): Does Eldritch Glaive gain additional attacks from Haste/Righteous Wrath of the Faithful. Text only mentions additional attacks from BAB and makes no mention of additional attacks one way or the other.
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: BowenSilverclaw January 27, 2009, 03:09:52 PM
Sorry, don't have Chain Spell yet...
You have it listed on your Myth-weavers character sheet... :P
My apologies, I abandoned that sheet somewhere during character creation.
I posted my entire sheet in the post, found that I had more room for all the little details that way...

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: skydragonknight January 27, 2009, 03:17:20 PM
10,000TH PBP POST!!!!!

Edit: Now that it's MINE, I will briefly explain that's an old traditional of mine to grab "numerically pretty" post numbers and claim them as my own.
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: PhaedrusXY January 27, 2009, 03:21:24 PM
My apologies, I abandoned that sheet somewhere during character creation.
I posted my entire sheet in the post, found that I had more room for all the little details that way...
Unfortunately I can't open the spoiler tabs at work...
: bogsnes
Thanks... Nice of you to do that...
I'm nice. Gabriel may want a lease on your soul or something, though. :D
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: AfterCrescent January 27, 2009, 03:23:20 PM
Anyone think I should spend the extra XP we just got on a LA+1 template? Not sure which one I'd go with if I did, though...
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: Tshern January 27, 2009, 03:24:48 PM
I'll be keeping this on something of an pause until Sunday. Simply too much to cope with this week...
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: skydragonknight January 27, 2009, 03:29:54 PM
Anyone think I should spend the extra XP we just got on a LA+1 template? Not sure which one I'd go with if I did, though...

Draconic like me?
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: AfterCrescent January 27, 2009, 03:32:04 PM
Is it worth the +2 Cha? I'm not in my own form, so most of those bonuses are wasted. :P
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: BowenSilverclaw January 27, 2009, 03:35:53 PM
I'll be keeping this on something of an pause until Sunday. Simply too much to cope with this week...
No prob, the new guys have plenty of stuff to finish anyway. Good luck with your RL-stuff :)

PhaedrusXY, Righteous Wrath of the Faithful doesn't stack with Haste, right? That'll free up 1 slot per day for me then :)
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: AfterCrescent January 27, 2009, 03:39:37 PM
PhaedrusXY, Righteous Wrath of the Faithful doesn't stack with Haste, right? That'll free up 1 slot per day for me then :)
Right. And RWotF is so much better, imo. ;)
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: BowenSilverclaw January 27, 2009, 03:42:56 PM
Is it worth the +2 Cha? I'm not in my own form, so most of those bonuses are wasted. :P
It's better than nothing...
What else is there that's useful for you that only gives mental stat boosts?
Magic-blooded will cost you wisdom...

What else are you going to use the extra XP on? Crafting? :P

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: AfterCrescent January 27, 2009, 03:43:44 PM
Leveling up faster? I mean I'd be paying 3K xp on +2 Cha. That seems worse than crafting the damn thing myself. :(
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: BowenSilverclaw January 27, 2009, 03:44:02 PM
PhaedrusXY, Righteous Wrath of the Faithful doesn't stack with Haste, right? That'll free up 1 slot per day for me then :)
Right. And RWotF is so much better, imo. ;)
Yeah, thanks for appreciating me buffing you during our last combat :P

But in all seriousness, I agree :)
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: BowenSilverclaw January 27, 2009, 03:44:47 PM
Leveling up faster? I mean I'd be paying 3K xp on +2 Cha. That seems worse than crafting the damn thing myself. :(
Wait, I thought it was only for LA buyback and crafting?
Or is this the beer talking?
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: bogsnes January 27, 2009, 03:45:43 PM
This is all the questions I want to know

1. Can I qualify for Manyshot with 16 Dex and +2 gloves?
2. Is there any allowed LA +0 Races with +4 Int modifier or better?
3. Is there any LA +1 templates with Int bonus?
4. I know that UPD and Psicraft not are skills, but are Know (Psionics) that?
5. And can the weapon enchancement that gives +5 on Initiative be used when my weapon is in my sheath?
6. Okay, I have one more question... can you buy off bloodlines? (Only necessary to know if there aren’t any LA +1 Templates with Int bonus)
7. Is Beguilers (Forgotten Realms Shining South page 60 race) allowed?
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent January 27, 2009, 03:46:00 PM
And I believe I could give a certain amount of experience to everyone that can be spend to pre-game crafting, LA buy off and whatever you want. Say, 5k for everyone. This applies to all the original players too, so change your sheets accordingly.
The whatever you want bit read to me as you can save it if you want, but I dunno.
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: bogsnes January 27, 2009, 03:58:31 PM
also, how much do magic items weigh?
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: BowenSilverclaw January 27, 2009, 04:00:19 PM
And I believe I could give a certain amount of experience to everyone that can be spend to pre-game crafting, LA buy off and whatever you want. Say, 5k for everyone. This applies to all the original players too, so change your sheets accordingly.
The whatever you want bit read to me as you can save it if you want, but I dunno.
Point. Missed that part.

also, how much do magic items weigh?
That should be listed in their individual description. If no weight is given, it'll probably weigh just as much as a normal item of it's kind.
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: BowenSilverclaw January 27, 2009, 04:04:37 PM
This is all the questions I want to know

1. Can I qualify for Manyshot with 16 Dex and +2 gloves?
2. Is there any allowed LA +0 Races with +4 Int modifier or better?
3. Is there any LA +1 templates with Int bonus?
4. I know that UPD and Psicraft not are skills, but are Know (Psionics) that?
5. And can the weapon enchancement that gives +5 on Initiative be used when my weapon is in my sheath?
6. Okay, I have one more question... can you buy off bloodlines? (Only necessary to know if there aren’t any LA +1 Templates with Int bonus)
7. Is Beguilers (Forgotten Realms Shining South page 60 race)

1) By RAW, yes.
2) I don't believe so, I'm not entirely sure though.
3) I've never found any, just base races. The Master Race/Template list might have something (I don't have a link, hope someone else here does).
4) Does a Factotum get all Knowledges as class skills? If so, that includes Knowledge (Psionics)
5) Not sure which one you're talking about, but if it doesn't say you need to have the weapon in hand/wield the weapon to benefit from the Initiative bonus enhancement, then it should function while the weapon is sheathed as well.
6) No, by RAW you can't, sorry.
7) That's up to Tshern.
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: PhaedrusXY January 27, 2009, 04:08:35 PM
Are we all worshipping Dispater? I might prep Faith Healing instead of Lesser Vigor for some of my first level slots. There are sooooo many freakin' good cleric spells... Or maybe I'll just buy a wand of that...
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: bogsnes January 27, 2009, 04:17:48 PM
This is all the questions I want to know

1. Can I qualify for Manyshot with 16 Dex and +2 gloves?
2. Is there any allowed LA +0 Races with +4 Int modifier or better?
3. Is there any LA +1 templates with Int bonus?
4. I know that UPD and Psicraft not are skills, but are Know (Psionics) that?
5. And can the weapon enchancement that gives +5 on Initiative be used when my weapon is in my sheath?
6. Okay, I have one more question... can you buy off bloodlines? (Only necessary to know if there aren’t any LA +1 Templates with Int bonus)
7. Is Beguilers (Forgotten Realms Shining South page 60 race)

1) By RAW, yes.
2) I don't believe so, I'm not entirely sure though.
3) I've never found any, just base races. The Master Race/Template list might have something (I don't have a link, hope someone else here does).
4) Does a Factotum get all Knowledges as class skills? If so, that includes Knowledge (Psionics)
5) Not sure which one you're talking about, but if it doesn't say you need to have the weapon in hand/wield the weapon to benefit from the Initiative bonus enhancement, then it should function while the weapon is sheathed as well.
6) No, by RAW you can't, sorry.
7) That's up to Tshern.

1. That's good, one more Int for me...
2. What I thought.
3. I didn't find any :(... Are there any LA +1 races with +4 Int?
4. Yes he has ALL SKILLS IN THE GAME as class skills, just wondered if it was included in this campaign.
5. It says "as long as it is held", so that is too bad...
6. Okay
7. Yeah I know...

Thanks
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: BowenSilverclaw January 27, 2009, 04:20:44 PM
This is all the questions I want to know

1. Can I qualify for Manyshot with 16 Dex and +2 gloves?
2. Is there any allowed LA +0 Races with +4 Int modifier or better?
3. Is there any LA +1 templates with Int bonus?
4. I know that UPD and Psicraft not are skills, but are Know (Psionics) that?
5. And can the weapon enchancement that gives +5 on Initiative be used when my weapon is in my sheath?
6. Okay, I have one more question... can you buy off bloodlines? (Only necessary to know if there aren’t any LA +1 Templates with Int bonus)
7. Is Beguilers (Forgotten Realms Shining South page 60 race)

1) By RAW, yes.
2) I don't believe so, I'm not entirely sure though.
3) I've never found any, just base races. The Master Race/Template list might have something (I don't have a link, hope someone else here does).
4) Does a Factotum get all Knowledges as class skills? If so, that includes Knowledge (Psionics)
5) Not sure which one you're talking about, but if it doesn't say you need to have the weapon in hand/wield the weapon to benefit from the Initiative bonus enhancement, then it should function while the weapon is sheathed as well.
6) No, by RAW you can't, sorry.
7) That's up to Tshern.

1. That's good, one more Int for me...
2. What I thought.
3. I didn't find any :(... Are there any LA +1 races with +4 Int?
4. Yes he has ALL SKILLS IN THE GAME as class skills, just wondered if it was included in this campaign.
5. It says "as long as it is held", so that is too bad...
6. Okay
7. Yeah I know...

Thanks
3) No, I'm quite positive there aren't, otherwise every Wizard player (including myself) would be all over it.
4) Then yes, it is. I don't think Tshern uses a lot of psionics though...
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: PhaedrusXY January 27, 2009, 04:27:12 PM
4) Then yes, it is. I don't think Tshern uses a lot of psionics though...
Well, Dispater is an uber-psion...
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: bogsnes January 27, 2009, 04:27:43 PM
4) Then yes, it is. I don't think Tshern uses a lot of psionics though...

Okay, I'll just buy one rank just to be sure (I have so little to spend skill points on that I've even bought a rank in Proffession (Sneak Murderer)

I just love Brains over Brawn (add Int to everything Dex and Str based checks (not sure if it applies to attack rolls, though) which means that even with my ONE rank in open lock, I have +16 on it) and Cunning Knowledge (1 Inspiration that refills each encounter, 1/day/skill, add class level to skill check which means that my ONE rank in open lock can give me a +27! bonus on the roll... +27, for one rank...)
I do actually just love Factotums overall (extra actions by using a class feature... it's totally awesome)
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: BowenSilverclaw January 27, 2009, 04:29:32 PM
Don't forget Brains over Brawn also applies to Initiative ;)

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: Tshern January 27, 2009, 04:30:03 PM
This is all the questions I want to know

1. Can I qualify for Manyshot with 16 Dex and +2 gloves?
2. Is there any allowed LA +0 Races with +4 Int modifier or better?
3. Is there any LA +1 templates with Int bonus?
4. I know that UPD and Psicraft not are skills, but are Know (Psionics) that?
5. And can the weapon enchancement that gives +5 on Initiative be used when my weapon is in my sheath?
6. Okay, I have one more question... can you buy off bloodlines? (Only necessary to know if there aren’t any LA +1 Templates with Int bonus)
7. Is Beguilers (Forgotten Realms Shining South page 60 race) allowed?

1. Yes.
2. Doubt it.
3. Probably.
4. Yes.
5. Not sure. Reference?
6. No.
7. Yes.

AC: Save it if you want.
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: PhaedrusXY January 27, 2009, 04:30:20 PM
Hmm... maybe I should put a few single ranks in various "trained only" skills. The cleric spell Divine Insight can give insane bonuses, too. But then again, it sounds like you've got that covered. :D
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: bogsnes January 27, 2009, 04:35:43 PM
I can get at least +10 on ANY skill in the whole game except Profession that are not Sneak Murderer, Perform that are not Weapon Drill, and craft that are not Poisonmaking or Weaponsmith...

I think I'll be the race Beguiler instead of Whisper Gnome, then...
I do now have CONSTANT TRUE SEEING!!!
And you should also note that I now are a Magical Beast, for special buffs that works/does not work now...

There wasn't any age or weight, so I guessed...
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: Tshern January 27, 2009, 05:08:35 PM
Hmm... maybe I should put a few single ranks in various "trained only" skills. The cleric spell Divine Insight can give insane bonuses, too. But then again, it sounds like you've got that covered. :D
Guidance of the avatar too. Second level, swift action to cast, minutes per level or until discharged. +20 competence to any one skill check.
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: bogsnes January 27, 2009, 05:17:37 PM
I guess my color will be orange.

I am ready after I have created a backstory, and finished buying magic items, and maybe finding a template...
I think it is pretty cool throwing shurikens with my tail  :D :lmao :lol :P :D
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: bogsnes January 27, 2009, 05:19:23 PM
Don't forget Brains over Brawn also applies to Initiative ;)
That IS Dex based, and that is also why my Initiative modifier is +19 (+24 when I use my eternal wand of Nerveskitter)...

I have a problem in finding a LA +1 Template with an Int bonus, though... anyone which knows of one?
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: PhaedrusXY January 27, 2009, 08:34:07 PM
PhaedrusXY, Righteous Wrath of the Faithful doesn't stack with Haste, right? That'll free up 1 slot per day for me then :)
Right. And RWotF is so much better, imo. ;)
Well, I don't know about that. That +30 feet to all movement speeds is hella' nice. If it was Persistable, I think I'd prefer Haste.
also, how much do magic items weigh?
If you need help carrying anything (like... a cement truck), I can help. Light load is 34 tons. :D
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: BowenSilverclaw January 28, 2009, 06:40:24 AM
PhaedrusXY, Righteous Wrath of the Faithful doesn't stack with Haste, right? That'll free up 1 slot per day for me then :)
Right. And RWotF is so much better, imo. ;)
Well, I don't know about that. That +30 feet to all movement speeds is hella' nice. If it was Persistable, I think I'd prefer Haste.
I still have 1 Haste per day thanks to Transmutation Domain, so if we ever really need that boost to our movement... :)
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: bogsnes January 28, 2009, 09:58:24 AM
I have one spell slot left, though...
anyone which knows about a good Sor/Wiz spell of third level or lower that is worth using?

I could need some help with caring some 2'x2'x2' Vials, though... to have leftover poison in to shrink so I can throw it as a grenade like weapon...

Make 10500 DC 20 Fort saves or take 3d6 Con damage for each fail is very nice to have sometimes :evillaugh...

I do still need a good template, though...
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: Tshern January 28, 2009, 10:21:15 AM
Also, Righteous wrath of the Faithful stacks with Haste for the purposes of those +3 to attack and damage. Not too much of an argument for Haste though.
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: bogsnes January 28, 2009, 10:27:05 AM
I have just decided to be Middle age, to get my Int pumped by another +1, and have changed accordingly.
Had to drop con a little, but that's fine when I get all those bonuses in Exchange...
The only bad thing is that I can't be older without hurting myself too much...
How old can Beguilers be? and what is minimum for middle age?
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: bogsnes January 28, 2009, 10:28:19 AM
Oh, and BTW, since you invited new people, has someone in the character sheet section left?
And if that is the case, who is still here?

And also, what should I base my backstory on (like, do I start in Dis, or not?)?
+ That I really could need that template... The only I've found is one that requires me to be under control of a Mind Flayer...
If I can't find any, I will be a White Dragonspawn (LA +1) from Kingdoms of Kalamar page 222
I just noticed that I can't be that since I am a Magical Beast... damn...
If I can't find any, I might swap my Dark template with a Draconic Template (It can allow me to become even older, or increase important stats, and the only thing I got that were useful from dark template was +10' Speed, and Hide in Plain Sight (That is pretty good, but still))
well, I would maybe have been taking the White Dragonspawn anyways, if I could, but now I have finally found a LA +1 template with Int bonus... the thing is, are I allowed to take only the first Half-Dragon level presented here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20030912a) or must I take all levels if I take one?
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: Tshern January 28, 2009, 02:39:17 PM
All the new players will be joining the party back in Dis. However, you have no obligation to have visited Dis before, but in that case you must have become a servant of Hell through a messanger of Hell, a devil.
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes January 28, 2009, 02:45:01 PM
All the new players will be joining the party back in Dis. However, you have no obligation to have visited Dis before, but in that case you must have become a servant of Hell through a messanger of Hell, a devil.

ok.

are I allowed to take only the first level presented here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20030912a) or must I take all if I take one?
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: Tshern January 28, 2009, 03:20:02 PM
You must take them all before adding any class levels.
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: PhaedrusXY January 28, 2009, 03:38:03 PM
All the new players will be joining the party back in Dis. However, you have no obligation to have visited Dis before, but in that case you must have become a servant of Hell through a messanger of Hell, a devil.
Gabriel had been trading with devils and night hags for souls to use to lower the experience (XP) cost to craft magic items. He had came up with a method to maximize his efficiency at this. He would capture victims, torture them to produce the drug Agony, and then harvest their soul. He'd then trade the Agony to fiends for more souls, since they pay well for Agony, but souls are worth more XP.

He'd found trolls to be the best for this, since you could torture them for longer and noone cared if a bunch of trolls went missing (unlike human children...), and that's how he found Thogg. Thogg was a troll leader, and was much tougher than the other trolls he ruled over. So Gabriel decided to permanently enslave him via a Necrotic Tumor, and keep him as a servant and "war body".

Gabriel came to admire the devils, exclusively traveling to Dis to do his trading, and eventually began to worship Dispater.

Does this sound like a reasonable way for him to have gotten there?
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: bogsnes January 28, 2009, 04:00:20 PM
You must take them all before adding any class levels.

Okay, then I will still need a template...
Will maybe just go with Draconic if I don't find anything more interesting...
too bad Beguilers can't become White Dragonspawn, though since they are magical beasts...
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: Tshern January 28, 2009, 04:03:22 PM
PhaedusXY: I like the story, I really do. Totally workable.
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: BowenSilverclaw January 28, 2009, 05:12:50 PM
@PhaedrusXY: Awesome background :)

@bogsnes: You don't NEED a template, you could just as well save the XP, gets you that much closer to the next level.

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: PhaedrusXY January 28, 2009, 05:40:51 PM
PhaedusXY: I like the story, I really do. Totally workable.
Great. :D
@PhaedrusXY: Awesome background :)
You mean that little paragraph above, or the really long one in the character's thread? Either way, thanks. :D
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: BowenSilverclaw January 28, 2009, 05:44:12 PM
Both :D
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: bogsnes January 28, 2009, 06:18:55 PM
@bogsnes: You don't NEED a template, you could just as well save the XP, gets you that much closer to the next level.

I know, but it gets me some extra power :D
I am thinking to go with draconic, or maybe even change back to Whisper Gnome so I can get White Dragonspawn (even though it is VERY unlikely)

I am thinking that his background will be something like that he was underestimated a lot when he grew up in his school, because of his race, and was bullied with a lot, so he spent a lot of time on learning to show that he was not inferior to the others, but superior. After a while, he started to get crazy. He wanted to be superior to the other kids in all possible ways. So he found a Factotum master to teach him, but his master was also secretly a Death Knight. His master tricked him slow and steady into being evil. After a while Dareidor realized what was happening, and surprisingly, he liked it. And as his master always said: "Evil wins, because Good is stupid". But due to his superior intellect, after a while, Dareidor felt superior even to his new master, so he decided to find someone that he actually could learn something from, and eventually he found an archdevil that was willing to take him to Dis.

Will post the rest later since I have to leave now...
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: BowenSilverclaw January 28, 2009, 06:21:43 PM
Why so fixed on White Dragonspawn? You're not a Sorcerer, so it won't do that much for you, except a +2 Dex and Con IIRC...
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: skydragonknight January 28, 2009, 06:38:09 PM
My character Jarkar is one of many candidates being trained by Mephistopheles and his minions to reestablish churches to Mephistopheles on Toril after a recent purge led by the Harpers. He hopes to be selected for the Sword Coast where he can train both cleric and warlock cultists and establish a base at Skullport beneath Waterdeep and corrupt the 'City of Splendor' literally from the bottom up.

Edit: Jarkar and I share a common desire: that all of Forgotten Realms rot in hell.
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: PhaedrusXY January 28, 2009, 06:45:01 PM
@bogsnes: I think I'd just go with the Beguiler. That sounds amazing. Can you not add the Dark template to that? If not, maybe just be glad you get to keep the XP instead of spending it on a LA. :D

Also, could anybody help me out with this?

I don't have the books necessary, but I'd like to use the Elder Evil devotion. Could someone PM me anything not covered in the online excerpt for the following feats: Harvestor of Souls, Evil's Blessing (what kind of action is this?), Dark Speech (lots of stuff left out on this one... ), Apostate (action type? Tshern said something about a saving throw?), Dark Whispers and Filthy Outburst. Thanks.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw January 28, 2009, 06:50:16 PM
Agreed on the Dark Beguiler.

I'll see if I can get my hands on Elder Evils, Phaedrus :)
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: PhaedrusXY January 28, 2009, 06:57:51 PM
I'll see if I can get my hands on Elder Evils, Phaedrus :)
Thanks. I can't find it at my... usual sources. :D

I'm also not sure what the DC is for my character's Supernatural Magic Jar ability. I'd guess it would be 10+1/2HD+Cha mod (standard for Su abilities), but the PrC version that I have doesn't specify.
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: BowenSilverclaw January 28, 2009, 07:13:28 PM
Okay, sent you a PM, Phaedrus :)
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: bogsnes January 29, 2009, 08:16:57 AM
Agreed on the Dark Beguiler.

I'll see if I can get my hands on Elder Evils, Phaedrus :)

It'll be either Dark or Draconic Beguiler... Dark gives bonuses to stealth, but a Con and Cha boost could also be useful... I am not sure... It is hard to decide...

I think I will be a dark Beguiler if Beguilers can be dark...
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: bogsnes January 29, 2009, 08:43:10 AM
I have finished making my backstory:

[spoiler]
His father got killed when Dareidor was very young since he stole some food from a store and got caught. His mother got killed of some guards that wanted to have fun. Dareidor was underestimated a lot when he grew up in his school, because of his race, and because of his parents, and was bullied with a lot, so he spent a lot of time on learning to show that he was not inferior to the others, but superior. After a while, he started to get crazy. He wanted to be superior to the other kids in all possible ways.

So he found a Factotum master to teach him, but his master was also secretly a Death Knight. His master tricked him slow and steady into being evil. After a while Dareidor realized what was happening, and surprisingly, he liked it. And as his master always said: "Evil wins, because Good is stupid". But due to his superior intellect, after a while, Dareidor felt superior even to his new master, so he decided to find someone that he actually could learn something from, so he left his master to go on new adventures.

Often when he got to cities, he got bullyed by people because of his race, but those that did that were captured by him, bound in ropes, and then first he proved himself to be much smarter (and if there was something they knew that he didn't, he had even learned something new), then he tortured them a while, before he killed them. This happened in many towns before he found the Duke of Logic, Caim and he was willing to take him to Dis. Dareidor wanted to go to Dis because of that there hopefully was someone in the city that was at least almost as smart as him.

He liked being in Dis, and he used some time on crafting, and he learned to throw Shurikens very effectively with his tail. He did also show everyone that Beguilers aren't stupid, but instead smarter than regular humanoids. He liked the way Dispater was, and started to worship him. The thing he has missed most in Dis, though, is toruring people. But he does still think that it is worth it, and he will do almost anything Dispater says to him. He does also talk a lot, and likes to learn new stuff in any possible subject. He hasn't got any last name that he can remember, and even if he had, he would prefer to hold it a secret.
[/spoiler]

And I am almost done with making him (has 6.4kgp left, and could need a weapon, and has an open spell slot, but not much more than that...
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern January 29, 2009, 09:05:55 AM
As a suggestion, meeting a Duke of Hell is a lot more likely than meeting an archdevil, as the latter are very unlikely to ever come to the Mortal Coil, especially Dispater's archdevils, who are pretty much guaranteed not to leave Dis. His Duke of Logic, Caim, however is roaming the Mortal Coil all the time...
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: bogsnes January 29, 2009, 09:19:58 AM
As a suggestion, meeting a Duke of Hell is a lot more likely than meeting an archdevil, as the latter are very unlikely to ever come to the Mortal Coil, especially Dispater's archdevils, who are pretty much guaranteed not to leave Dis. His Duke of Logic, Caim, however is roaming the Mortal Coil all the time...

Okay, will change that
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: bogsnes January 29, 2009, 09:52:20 AM
I just got the idea of creating minions :D

Is it worth the money and space?
And does greater magic fang affect all or only one natural weapon (thinking if I should permanency it)?
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: Tshern January 29, 2009, 10:25:51 AM
IIRC it effects all weapons of the same type. Superior magic fang, Druid 4, effects all.
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: bogsnes January 30, 2009, 05:27:33 AM
IIRC it effects all weapons of the same type. Superior magic fang, Druid 4, effects all.

Okay, but I've decided not to use it, because it if gets dispelled, I have used lots of wealth on nothing...
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: PhaedrusXY January 30, 2009, 01:22:51 PM
IIRC it effects all weapons of the same type. Superior magic fang, Druid 4, effects all.

Okay, but I've decided not to use it, because it if gets dispelled, I have used lots of wealth on nothing...
You might consider a custom item that casts it every day, if Tshern will allow one. Or if you can use gauntlets or something, we can hit those with a Greater Magic Weapon (especially once Bowen can Chain it for us :P ).

Edit: Or get a Necklace of Natural Attacks (Savage Species). Those are a cheap and awesome way to magically enhance your natural weapons.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw January 30, 2009, 01:40:41 PM
Wow, you really don't like your buffs, do you Phaedrus?


:P

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: bogsnes January 30, 2009, 04:54:11 PM
well, it is not that important, since I am almost out of money, and will mainly be throwing shurikens.
also, when will we start?
I've only got 282 pp left to spend, and then I am ready.
And does anyone need some black lotus poison? (I feel like it is a waste to shrink everything, since even though letting my opponents roll 10500 DC20 Fort saves is very fun one/day, 500 doses to or from doesn't probably do anything (to survive they does either have to have a Con of about 5000ish, be immune, or not fail on a natural one assuming I hit them...))
I am thinking that my last spell will be either Alter Self, a solid buff, or some REALLY useful stuff
: Re: OOC banter
: PhaedrusXY January 30, 2009, 05:06:11 PM
well, it is not that important, since I am almost out of money, and will mainly be throwing shurikens.
also, when will we start?
I've only got 282 pp left to spend, and then I am ready.
And does anyone need some black lotus poison? (I feel like it is a waste to shrink everything, since even though letting my opponents roll 10500 DC20 Fort saves is very fun one/day, 500 doses to or from doesn't probably do anything (to survive they does either have to have a Con of about 5000ish, be immune, or not fail on a natural one assuming I hit them...))
I am thinking that my last spell will be either Alter Self, a solid buff, or some REALLY useful stuff
So want the Greater Magic Weapon on 50 shuriken?

There are a few magical beast forms in the Alter Self thread under familiars: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=176246

I might stick some poison on my weapon. You have Minor Creation as a spell, I'm guessing?
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: Tshern January 30, 2009, 05:12:24 PM
Regarding Black Lotus Poison: Once you use it, it can be used against you.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw January 30, 2009, 05:28:47 PM
In other words, don't ;)

Same reason I'm not abusing Polymorph :P
: Re: OOC banter
: PhaedrusXY January 30, 2009, 05:28:57 PM
Regarding Black Lotus Poison: Once you use it, it can be used against you.
Maybe I should stick that Extended Heroes Feast back on my list of prepared spells. :D

Eh, Polymorph isn't that bad. Not as bad as regularly dumping gallons of lethal poison on someone, anyway. And I think my use of Magic Jar goes way beyond what Polymorph can typically do... :P And aren't other people in the group already using Polymorph? I saw one person's sheet had them running around polymorphed into a bearded devil or something.
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: BowenSilverclaw January 30, 2009, 05:29:52 PM
Yes please :D
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: bogsnes January 30, 2009, 05:34:57 PM
Regarding Black Lotus Poison: Once you use it, it can be used against you.

well, I guess I'll have to get immunity to it or something...
does multiple snakeblood tooths created togheter stack?
and is this any use of it, or just the 10500 Fort saves part?

oh, and can I draw items sheath items as a free action with quick draw, or is it only drawing them?
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: BowenSilverclaw January 30, 2009, 06:29:50 PM
Regarding Black Lotus Poison: Once you use it, it can be used against you.

well, I guess I'll have to get immunity to it or something...
Yeah, and what about the rest of the party?

Also, RAW Quick Draw only works on WEAPONS ;)
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: skydragonknight January 30, 2009, 09:11:05 PM
Alrighty, these went unnoticed in the midst of the other new guys spamming questions:

-still waiting on permission to use deformities other than the ones in Elder Evils: by level 20 I want to be a freakshow.
-"Lesser Infernal Armor": evil-flavored Celestial Armor(DMG) but +1 instead of +3(14400 gold instead of 22400 gold; also pending DM permission)

Request: Eldritch Chain, Vitriolic Blast(when I get it) and invocations which use "Warlock Level" use "Warlock Caster Level" instead. Eldritch Blast still uses Effective Warlock Level for invocations unless DM is crazy/generous and let's it use caster level.

Question(because this will come up in game otherwise): Does Eldritch Glaive gain additional attacks from Haste/Righteous Wrath of the Faithful. Text only mentions additional attacks from BAB and makes no mention of additional attacks one way or the other.
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: PhaedrusXY January 31, 2009, 03:42:18 AM
Yeah, and what about the rest of the party?

Also, RAW Quick Draw only works on WEAPONS ;)
I'll exchange greater plane shift for Extended Heroes' Feast, so we'll all have immunity to fear and poison 24/7, if we can spare an hour a day to eat it. I'll keep one Plane Shift prepped. The rest of you guys will have to handle the travel, otherwise.

I think RAW, you can use Quick Draw on weapon-like objects, too, like staves, wands, and potions (they're like alchemical weapon vials). You can't sheathe anything as a free action, though.
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: BowenSilverclaw January 31, 2009, 07:24:10 AM
Yeah, and what about the rest of the party?

Also, RAW Quick Draw only works on WEAPONS ;)
I'll exchange greater plane shift for Extended Heroes' Feast, so we'll all have immunity to fear and poison 24/7, if we can spare an hour a day to eat it. I'll keep one Plane Shift prepped. The rest of you guys will have to handle the travel, otherwise.
I'll have to wait another 2 levels for Plane Shift. I can prepare a Teleport though, although that would only allow me to bring along 3 other people at the moment...

Anyone else willing to prep the second one so we can bring along the entire party? Irthos perhaps?
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: Irthos Levethix January 31, 2009, 11:28:25 AM
I don't actually know Teleport.... I have it as a SPA.  I don't have a problem with it though, I just have to spend a couple days writing it into my spellshard. 
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: BowenSilverclaw January 31, 2009, 11:43:48 AM
Cool, that should take care of long-distance travel for the entire party for now :)
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: bogsnes January 31, 2009, 02:37:10 PM
well, if I have poison immunity, I can probably have a shrinked vial with it just in case...

also, PhaedrusXY, can you carry 4-5 2'x2'x2' vials for me?
and also, when do we start?
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: BowenSilverclaw January 31, 2009, 02:44:04 PM
I believe Tshern said the new guys join in Dis, so you'll have to wait a little bit 'til we finish the current mission.

Shouldn't be too long.
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: bogsnes January 31, 2009, 03:00:43 PM
okay.

My character is probably finished... I do only have 57pp left to spend, and I might just keep them just in case...
I think I am the one that has the biggest modifier to any skill (yay, I am best at something) with my +50 modifier in stealth to hide...
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: BowenSilverclaw January 31, 2009, 03:06:58 PM
Yep, beats my +45 or something to Spellcraft :D
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: PhaedrusXY January 31, 2009, 03:08:03 PM
also, PhaedrusXY, can you carry 4-5 2'x2'x2' vials for me?
No problem.
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: bogsnes January 31, 2009, 03:08:09 PM
Yep, doesn't beat my +45 or something to Spellcraft :D

I beated it by 5 points :evillaugh
16 if I spend a inspiration point
also, PhaedrusXY, can you carry 4-5 2'x2'x2' vials for me?
No problem.

Thanks...
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: PhaedrusXY January 31, 2009, 08:38:44 PM
I don't actually know Teleport.... I have it as a SPA. 
Maybe we should just get a portable hole, then. :smirk
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: skydragonknight January 31, 2009, 10:07:30 PM
Maybe we should just get a portable hole enveloping pit(MIC p.159), then. :smirk

Fix'd.
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: PhaedrusXY February 01, 2009, 02:47:18 AM
Maybe we should just get a portable hole enveloping pit(MIC p.159), then. :smirk

Fix'd.
Wow... jesus christ that's cheap. It's like a portable hole, but better, at a fraction of the price? SOLD! (I got rid of the enhancements on my weapon. GMW is good enough...)

I didn't realize you could use an eternal wand of a spell that's not even on your list, either. Nice... I could afford a 1st level one. What should I get?

Also, does anyone have an artificer's monocle?
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: BowenSilverclaw February 01, 2009, 06:32:06 AM
Didn't have enough cash left for the monocle, so no, I don't think so...
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: PhaedrusXY February 01, 2009, 12:41:41 PM
Didn't have enough cash left for the monocle, so no, I don't think so...
I got one of those and an enveloping pit. So we're set for traveling and identifying stuff, assuming we're all willing to get inside the pit while Irthos teleports around with it...
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: BowenSilverclaw February 01, 2009, 12:50:20 PM
Excellent :)
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: SixthDeclension February 01, 2009, 01:48:08 PM
Where is the Dark Template?
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: bogsnes February 01, 2009, 01:57:11 PM
Tome of Magic p. 158

gives +8 Hide, +6 Move Silently, Cold resistance 10, +10 bonus to all movement speeds, and Hide in Plain Sight, with LA +1
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: Dictum Mortuum February 01, 2009, 03:33:04 PM
Hey, not to say that i am not satisfied with the game, but what happens to the XP points gained by characters that used LA buyoff and have started at a lower level (say, like me :P)?
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: Tshern February 01, 2009, 03:50:48 PM
I think I mentioned that a while back, you just get the 5000 xp now and adjust your character accordingly.
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: Dictum Mortuum February 01, 2009, 03:56:43 PM
I think I mentioned that a while back, you just get the 5000 xp now and adjust your character accordingly.

Oh, i missed the XP thing.
Alright, will do.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 01, 2009, 04:05:01 PM
In other words, we're both level 11 :D
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: Dictum Mortuum February 01, 2009, 04:45:28 PM
I can now power my minor shapeshift ^-^
woohoo
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: BowenSilverclaw February 01, 2009, 04:53:28 PM
Superior Resistance and Disintegrate for me :D
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: Dictum Mortuum February 01, 2009, 05:03:38 PM
showoff :p
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: BowenSilverclaw February 01, 2009, 05:05:54 PM
You had to go with a wonky multi-classed character :P

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: Tshern February 01, 2009, 07:22:35 PM
Superior Resistance and Disintegrate for me :D
Superior resistance is made of utter win.
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: Irthos Levethix February 01, 2009, 07:26:38 PM
Maybe we should just get a portable hole enveloping pit(MIC p.159), then. :smirk

Fix'd.
Wow... jesus christ that's cheap. It's like a portable hole, but better, at a fraction of the price? SOLD! (I got rid of the enhancements on my weapon. GMW is good enough...)

I didn't realize you could use an eternal wand of a spell that's not even on your list, either. Nice... I could afford a 1st level one. What should I get?

Awesome idea for movement, I love it. 

I'll have to look at some spells, but since you already looked, get whatever you think would be useful :)
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: PhaedrusXY February 01, 2009, 08:09:04 PM
Awesome idea for movement, I love it. 

I'll have to look at some spells, but since you already looked, get whatever you think would be useful :)
Eh, I already blew all my money on the enveloping pit and artificer's monocle. I had to sack some of my other gear just to get those.  Who needs a magic weapon anyway? when you can cast an extended CL 22 GMW
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: PhaedrusXY February 02, 2009, 03:26:28 PM
So are you Persisting a Mass Lesser Vigor daily AC? I saw it on your list of prepared spells. If you're not, I think I will try and fit one in...

Edit: You're Persisting all those every day? Want to borrow my Lesser Metamagic Rod so you can Extend the low level one, and add a Mass Lesser Vigor on the alternate days? :P I can't really fit it in, without dropping something I'd rather keep, but I think we could definitely use it...


And to Tshern: If I get a wand of Nerveskitter, will it be useful? I think it has been clarified that wands use the spell's casting time (an immediate action in this case), but I wanted to be sure that's how you interpret it. (I got the idea from Bogsnes' character sheet, BTW. :D Gabriel's initiative is kind of abysmal.)
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: BowenSilverclaw February 02, 2009, 03:57:57 PM
According to Rules Compendium activating a Wand takes just as much time as casting the spell it contains normally would, so yeah, I do believe you're correct Phaedrus :)

Ofcourse I'm no Tshern, he has final say :P

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: bogsnes February 02, 2009, 04:34:57 PM
My Initiative is GODLY :D
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: BowenSilverclaw February 02, 2009, 04:41:48 PM
Just try not to steal too much of my GOD-role, will you? :P

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: bogsnes February 02, 2009, 04:46:34 PM
 :lmao
I'll steal as much as I want...
I am evil after all :evillaugh
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: BowenSilverclaw February 02, 2009, 05:19:23 PM
Way to go in-party conflict :P
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: PhaedrusXY February 02, 2009, 05:33:54 PM
Hmm... I'm thinking of putting two wand chambers on my weapon, one for Nerveskitter and one for Wraithstrike. I don't see any limitations in the writeup for wand chambers, and I can see how this would work in my head. It is a two-handed weapon, so I could put a chamber where each hand goes. Any problem with this? Otherwise, I'll have to carry around a wand of Nerveskitter all the time, which will look goofy...

Originally I had one on my animated shield, but I don't think that will work, really...
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: BowenSilverclaw February 02, 2009, 05:35:32 PM
I do believe wand chambers are limited to one per weapon/shield...

The shield thing should work though, you can put a hand on it as a free action ;)
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: PhaedrusXY February 02, 2009, 06:03:06 PM
I do believe wand chambers are limited to one per weapon/shield...

The shield thing should work though, you can put a hand on it as a free action ;)
Yeah, I guess that would work for the wand of wraithstrike.
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: AfterCrescent February 02, 2009, 10:03:57 PM
So are you Persisting a Mass Lesser Vigor daily AC? I saw it on your list of prepared spells. If you're not, I think I will try and fit one in...

Edit: You're Persisting all those every day? Want to borrow my Lesser Metamagic Rod so you can Extend the low level one, and add a Mass Lesser Vigor on the alternate days? :P I can't really fit it in, without dropping something I'd rather keep, but I think we could definitely use it...


And to Tshern: If I get a wand of Nerveskitter, will it be useful? I think it has been clarified that wands use the spell's casting time (an immediate action in this case), but I wanted to be sure that's how you interpret it. (I got the idea from Bogsnes' character sheet, BTW. :D Gabriel's initiative is kind of abysmal.)
Hah, it's actually been long enough since I've looked at my sheet that I had to go back and double check.

Each day I persist 3 spells and usually cast 2 that last 24 hours or so. All the ones I persist are 4th level or above, so I don't think I can use your LMR of extend. Thanks though.  Once I get the money for more nightsticks, though, Vigor is my next spell to persist.
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: PhaedrusXY February 03, 2009, 12:27:07 AM
Hah, it's actually been long enough since I've looked at my sheet that I had to go back and double check.

Each day I persist 3 spells and usually cast 2 that last 24 hours or so. All the ones I persist are 4th level or above, so I don't think I can use your LMR of extend. Thanks though.  Once I get the money for more nightsticks, though, Vigor is my next spell to persist.
I managed to finagle things enough to get it in. We all have fast healing 1 now (when you're near me, anyway). That should take care of out of combat healing. I am total dispel bait, though. :D


Ok, here is a summary of the benefits that the entire party gets from my all day buffs, for your convenient reference:
Immunity to poison and fear, 1d8+10 temporary hit points, +1 morale to Will saves, +3 morale to attack and damage, an extra attack at your highest bonus, fast healing 1, and if you drop below zero hit points near me, you'll die automatically... :D
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: BowenSilverclaw February 03, 2009, 06:46:15 AM
Hah, it's actually been long enough since I've looked at my sheet that I had to go back and double check.

Each day I persist 3 spells and usually cast 2 that last 24 hours or so. All the ones I persist are 4th level or above, so I don't think I can use your LMR of extend. Thanks though.  Once I get the money for more nightsticks, though, Vigor is my next spell to persist.
I managed to finagle things enough to get it in. We all have fast healing 1 now (when you're near me, anyway). That should take care of out of combat healing. I am total dispel bait, though. :D


Ok, here is a summary of the benefits that the entire party gets from my all day buffs, for your convenient reference:
Immunity to poison and fear, 1d8+10 temporary hit points, +1 morale to Will saves, +3 morale to attack and damage, an extra attack at your highest bonus, fast healing 1, and if you drop below zero hit points near me, you'll die automatically... :D
Hehe, excellent :D

Also, you're not the only one who's dispel bait :P
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: Tshern February 03, 2009, 07:01:38 AM
You really need to prepare Mass Conviction.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 03, 2009, 07:18:01 AM
Que?
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: PhaedrusXY February 03, 2009, 01:10:37 PM
You really need to prepare Mass Conviction.
I have it prepared. :D I'm updating the mythweavers sheet, not the post.

I also added a character sheet for Thogg when he's buffed but unpossessed (I guessed about which buffs would stay and which would go), and I might add one for when Gabriel is possessing the raven, but I already have abreviated stats for that at the end of Gabriel's main sheet.
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: skydragonknight February 03, 2009, 07:19:23 PM
Got my answers.

Options: still waiting on permission to use deformities as evil evil feats other than the ones in Elder Evils: by level 20 I want to be a freakshow.
Go ahead.

Reflavoring/Reducing: "Lesser Infernal Armor": evil-flavored Celestial Armor(DMG) but +1 instead of +3(14400 gold instead of 22400 gold; also pending DM permission)
Sure.

Request: Eldritch Chain, Vitriolic Blast(when I get it) and invocations which use "Warlock Level" for level-based variables(additional targets, duration) use "Warlock Caster Level" instead. Eldritch Blast still uses Effective Warlock Level for invocations unless you want to be crazy/generous and let it use caster level.
Sure.

Question(because this will come up in game otherwise): Does Eldritch Glaive gain additional attacks from Haste/Righteous Wrath of the Faithful. Text only mentions additional attacks from BAB and makes no mention of additional attacks one way or the other.
Yes it does.

Please post my answers to the OOC thread when you have time for others to see.

So I've got Deformity(Tall) for reach and and extra attack from Righteous Wrath despite the weird wording of Eldritch Glaive. Woot.
Other stuff is mainly formality.
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: PhaedrusXY February 03, 2009, 07:23:39 PM
So... when is this freak show taking off? You guys hurry up and get back to Dis. I can't wait. :D



I'm going to add a few questions here, also (mostly for Tshern, but you other guys can comment if you want...).

1) Does the damage from Shield Other bypass Regeneration?

2) Here is a list of the buffs Gabriel will typically have. Which ones will go with him when he moves to a different body? I'll put my guesses next to them.

-Righteous Wrath of the Faithful (RWotF): Goes, since it is an aura emanating from the caster, I'd guess.
-Consumptive Field: I don't know... It gives a boost to Str, caster level, and temporary hit points. It seems like it should actually be split up... But then again, it is also an aura, so I guess it should go.
-Divine Power: Stays, you said.
-Righteous Might: Stays.
-Superior Resistance: I'd guess goes.
-Permanent Arcane Sight: Could go either way. I think I'd actually prefer it to stay, so every body I inhabit doesn't have glowing eyes... :P
-Mass Lesser Vigor: I'd guess it goes, for the same reason as RWotF.
-Lesser Visage of the Deity: I'd guess goes, but could see it going either way. It partially changes your nature to that of an outsider (which is basically an incarnate soul), giving you a boost to Cha and some resistances.
-Shield Other (cast to send half of the familiar's damage to the troll): I'd guess this stays.

3) Can outsiders be possessed? Per the RAW, I don't think anything prevents it, but per the fluff I don't think it should be possible. Their body and soul are basically one. I interpret this to mean they basically are physical embodiements of souls. I'd also think they couldn't be animated into undead, except for maybe ghosts and similiar things.

4) What happens if Gabriel is caught in an AMF? Initially, I thought it would kill him, but after looking at Magic Jar and AMF, I think it wouldn't.

Magic Jar says: If the spell ends while you are in the magic jar, you return to your body (or die if your body is out of range or destroyed). If the spell ends while you are in a host, you return to your body (or die, if it is out of range of your current position), and the soul in the magic jar returns to its body (or dies if it is out of range).

AMF says: An antimagic field suppresses any spell or magical effect used within, brought into, or cast into the area, but does not dispel it.

So I think Gabriel would be trapped and unable to do anything (and the host he's inhabiting would regain control of their body), but Gabriel wouldn't be killed, as the spell isn't ended (Dispelled) but is merely supressed.

So in all, I think he's in alot better shape than I initially thought (I thought initially he was pretty vulnerable, hence the elaborate lair with the Clone in it...). Since his possession is a Su ability, it can't be dispelled normally. Also, an AMF would merely supress it, and after rereading Protection from Evil, that would have no effect if cast after he's in a body (originally I thought a Magic Circle would expel him). So about the only real threats he has to worry about is something odd like a Sacred Exorcist, or someone trapping him in a body (via AMF, etc) and killing it, and the last creature he possessed simultaneously being out of range.

5) I'm not even sure Disjunction would affect him, from the way it is worded.
All magical effects and magic items within the radius of the spell, except for those that you carry or touch, are disjoined. That is, spells and spell-like effects are separated into their individual components (ending the effect as a dispel magic spell does), and each permanent magic item must make a successful Will save or be turned into a normal item.
Is a supernatural ability that reproduces a spell a spell-like effect? Maybe. It's not a Spell-like Ability, though, and that term is close enough to SLA that it might be the same thing, or might not...

6) Can outsiders be infected with a Necrotic Cyst?

7) I plan on preparing a Necrotic Cyst spell every day, and trying to infect someone with it. Presumably, Gabriel has been doing this for several years. That should mean that there are a lot of people walking around with these things... As I have in my backstory, I plan on him having enslaved a few "pawns" in various places via Necrotic Tumor, but not that many. Most cysted people will just be wandering around unknowing and otherwise unharmed by it, but they will be useful to Gabriel, if we happen to need to travel to those places and find things out, set up a base of operations temporarily, etc.

So, is this all ok? If we all of a sudden need to go to mid or large sized city X, can Gabriel say "Oh, I know some people who might be useful there...", and go to town, walk around with a Detect Necrotic Cyst up, and pick out some people to enslave/scry on/etc? Or even better, let's say he keeps a list of them, their name and where they are, and scries on them occasionally to see if the cyst has been discovered. He'd probably shoot for people with access to high places, but who aren't really that important themselves, like a Chamberlain's maid, etc, but would also put them in just random people like bartenders, etc.

Of course, this also means that there will be a few people who have perhaps caught on to all these encysted people walking around, and might be looking for whoever is doing it, which lead to fun mayhem. :D

Note: I'm not looking to break the game or overpower my character with this. I just think it would be really fun, and it is what I envision that he's been doing prior to this. He likes politics, and likes to try and manipulate things, often from behind the scenes, to get blackmail material, set up shadow operations which can yield him power and/or profits, etc.
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: bogsnes February 04, 2009, 11:32:08 AM
Why aren't you guys doing anything?
I want to start...

Will be fun to kill :evillaugh
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: Irthos Levethix February 04, 2009, 03:12:04 PM
I think we're waiting for Tshern to give us some info.  AC said we were gonna find somewhere fairly safe to camp/recover spells, so now its in the DM's hands.  :)
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: BowenSilverclaw February 04, 2009, 03:29:59 PM
Aye, get your drunk Finnish ass over here, Tshern :P

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: Tshern February 04, 2009, 07:49:58 PM
I haven't been drunk since yesterday.
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: skydragonknight February 04, 2009, 08:17:28 PM
Ha. Caught you. Your turn in AC's game.
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: AfterCrescent February 04, 2009, 10:49:43 PM
I am total dispel bait, though. :D
You and me both. Just check the game thread. I got hit with dispel a dispel in the opening round. ;)

Ok, here is a summary of the benefits that the entire party gets from my all day buffs, for your convenient reference:
Immunity to poison and fear, 1d8+10 temporary hit points, +1 morale to Will saves, +3 morale to attack and damage, an extra attack at your highest bonus, fast healing 1, and if you drop below zero hit points near me, you'll die automatically... :D
Very nice. :D
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: Tshern February 05, 2009, 03:44:33 PM
Okay, so another real life pause for me. I am going to Stockholm for booze, marijuana and general entertainment and will be back either on Monday or Tuesday depending on how my body takes all the punishment. I will return to all the questions and concerns back then.
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: bogsnes February 05, 2009, 03:55:12 PM
Okay, so another real life pause for me. I am going to Stockholm for booze, marijuana and general entertainment and will be back either on Monday or Tuesday depending on how my body takes all the punishment. I will return to all the questions and concerns back then.

Hey, you're not living in a country to far from mine!
I am norvegian...
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: BowenSilverclaw February 05, 2009, 03:58:08 PM
Enjoy Sweden! :D
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: Tshern February 05, 2009, 04:07:01 PM
Okay, so another real life pause for me. I am going to Stockholm for booze, marijuana and general entertainment and will be back either on Monday or Tuesday depending on how my body takes all the punishment. I will return to all the questions and concerns back then.

Hey, you're not living in a country to far from mine!
I am norvegian...
I caught that in another thread, I am a Finn.
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: bogsnes February 05, 2009, 04:09:13 PM
Enjoy Sweden! :D

Nah, Sweedish people are just silly... there is A LOT of jokes about them here in Norway...

Like:

What happened to the sweedish man that yelled that everyone in the goverment is stupid?
[spoiler]He was sent to jail for two years for telling a national secret.[/spoiler]

:P
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: Tshern February 05, 2009, 04:52:44 PM
A lot of jokes? Hardly. Google a Finnish pages and you are bound to stumble across jokes about those losers.
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: bogsnes February 05, 2009, 05:03:33 PM
A lot of jokes? Hardly. Google a Finnish pages and you are bound to stumble across jokes about those losers.

So you have them too?
Do you speak Sweedish BTW?
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: PhaedrusXY February 05, 2009, 05:18:02 PM
A lot of jokes? Hardly. Google a Finnish pages and you are bound to stumble across jokes about those losers.

So you have them too?
Do you speak Sweedish BTW?
Shishkadoo, shishkadoo, bork bork bork.
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1910/vikings2oi8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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: BowenSilverclaw February 05, 2009, 05:49:14 PM
Win! :lmao
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: Tshern February 05, 2009, 06:05:19 PM
A lot of jokes? Hardly. Google a Finnish pages and you are bound to stumble across jokes about those losers.

So you have them too?
Do you speak Sweedish BTW?
Yes, yes I do. I am not a professional, but I get around.
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: bogsnes February 06, 2009, 07:46:22 AM
oh, Norwegian and Sweedish are very alike, so if there is something to post that the others don't should know, I can just write norwegian...
PMing is a possibility too, but this is much cooler  :lol
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: Tshern February 06, 2009, 08:16:33 AM
Unlike Danish. Anyone can speak Danish by just tossing two hot potatoes up his mouth.

I understand written Norwegian pretty well, but spoken word can get over my head at times. Same goes for some Swedish accents too, like Malmö. That is not Swedish for christ's sake.
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: bogsnes February 06, 2009, 08:49:04 AM
Unlike Danish. Anyone can speak Danish by just tossing two hot potatoes up his mouth.

I understand written Norwegian pretty well, but spoken word can get over my head at times. Same goes for some Swedish accents too, like Malmö. That is not Swedish for christ's sake.

I see your point...
I loled...

























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: bogsnes February 06, 2009, 12:18:16 PM
this sweedish parody of the danish is funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8OQiLoTPZU

NOTE: it is on Danish, but it is a hell lot of fun if you understand it, or at least it was for me...
the ending was awesome...
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: bogsnes February 07, 2009, 01:54:06 PM
I decided to drop IF down to 1 rank since I won't need it to much while I am throwing, and buffed up some Knowledges and Spellcraft...

I am also thinking of removing the Belt of many pouches from the Belt of Battle, since that will give me 7500gp more... what do you think?
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: PhaedrusXY February 07, 2009, 04:37:52 PM
What is the big advantage of the belt of many pouches over a handy haversack? I forget...
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: Irthos Levethix February 07, 2009, 04:52:14 PM
Its nifty.

I think its alot harder for people to steal from it.

I don't know, but I got one.
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: Irthos Levethix February 07, 2009, 04:53:25 PM
Also, if I don't post in the next couple days, Happy Birthday, Phaedrus
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: PhaedrusXY February 07, 2009, 08:58:19 PM
Also, if I don't post in the next couple days, Happy Birthday, Phaedrus
Thanks. :D
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: bogsnes February 08, 2009, 10:52:18 AM
one thing, BTW:
Does headband of Intellect give me extra SP?
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: BowenSilverclaw February 08, 2009, 10:57:02 AM
Nope
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: PhaedrusXY February 09, 2009, 04:47:33 AM
I've been looking at binders, and was thinking of changing my build around. It would function pretty much the same ultimately (self-buffing beatstick Ur-Priest who possesses people), but would get there alot differently, and the flavor of combining Binder and Ur-Priest is awesome. :D I'm thinking something like this:

Human Sorc 1/Binder1/Anima Mage 3/Ur-Priest 1/AM+4/Cont1/SwBE1
Feats: Spell Focus: Evil  (human), PrecocApp(flaw1)(retrained to Silent Spell at ECL 5), Still Spell (flaw2), Toughness (1)(retrained to Improved Binding at ECL2), Extend Spell (3), Mother Cyst (6), Practiced SC: UrP (9), Persistent Spell (12), Iron Will (Otyugh Hole)

EBL 10 (5th level vestiges), UrP 7, Sorc4

I could drop the Divine Metamagic stuff entirely (or pick it up later), but still get free metamagic twice per day with Anima Mage, and I'd have 5th level vestiges, which would add a ton of versatility, but nothing too powerful. I'd also have 2nd level sorcerer spells, and I think the character would actually be more playable from 1st level (not a concern for this game, but cool for the build).

I'd have to cheese the entry with Precocious Apprentice + Improved Binding. I'd also need to use the adaptation for Anima Mage (using it to advance divine spells), and change which class I'm advancing with it (going from sorcerer to Ur-Priest). I'd lose Cha to saves and Mettle, but I can bind a vestige which gives me a reroll every 5 rounds, which is probably better, and his saves should still be very high with active buffs anyway.

Any problems with this, Tshern?

Link (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=107690) to the modified character.
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: Tshern February 10, 2009, 10:59:26 AM
I'm cool with that.

More either tonight or tomorrow, not sure how long I can stay up. Also, I am back.
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: Irthos Levethix February 10, 2009, 11:01:16 AM
Glad to see ya again, Tshern.  Have a good time?
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: skydragonknight February 10, 2009, 12:41:12 PM
Good to see that you survived the trip...in both senses of the word.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 10, 2009, 12:44:00 PM
Had fun in Sweden?
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: Tshern February 10, 2009, 12:52:22 PM
Yeah, it was great fun, although very exhausting.
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: PhaedrusXY February 10, 2009, 03:31:39 PM
I'm cool with that.

More either tonight or tomorrow, not sure how long I can stay up. Also, I am back.
Awesome. Welcome back. I updated my character in the character's thread.

One of the benefits of adding the Binder stuff is being able to craft just about anything by binding Astaroth... especially if you use Dark Craft and souls to provide the XP costs. So Gabriel crafted most of his equipment. That might put him a bit ahead of the WBL table, so I'll just say he "wasted" 10,000 gp setting up illegal business operations and spying networks on the prime. I also spent over 7000 gp just setting up his hidden "lair", which basically is just there to protect his clone and (hopefully) will never have any impact on the game.

But if we ever get time, and anyone wants some items crafted... he's your man. :D
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: BowenSilverclaw February 10, 2009, 04:23:33 PM
Raping WBL for fun and profit :D
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: PhaedrusXY February 10, 2009, 04:58:18 PM
Raping WBL for fun and profit :D
Hey, I'm holding back. I don't want to totally wreck things (because I don't want every enemy running around using a staff of the magi and sphere of annihilation against us. :D ).

I can't quite get Craft Contingent Spell yet, as my effective binder/caster level is only 10 for crafting. I'm a bit wary of abusing that, also...


Also, no more Persistent Mass Lesser Vigor. I had to give up a couple of persistent spells with this build (for the moment...), and that one got the axe. I can still do out of combat healing by binding Buer, or maybe you could make a Mass Lesser Vigor persistent via Metamagic Effect or Cooperative Metamagic on me or AC...
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: BowenSilverclaw February 10, 2009, 05:06:43 PM
I'm always willing to aid fellow party members, especially if it also benefits the entire party, no problem :)

Consider it Persisted :D
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: PhaedrusXY February 10, 2009, 05:08:31 PM
Well... it's mostly for everyone else. I'm riding around in a war troll. :P
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: BowenSilverclaw February 10, 2009, 05:09:14 PM
Showoff :P
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: PhaedrusXY February 10, 2009, 05:32:55 PM
What spells should I choose for my 4 battle sorcerer levels? Right now, I'm thinking Expeditous Retreat and Nerveskitter for 1st, and either Heroics or Wraithstrike for 2nd. I am amazed at how good some of the 0 level spells are, also. For those, I'm taking Prestidigitation, Ghost Sound, Dancing Lights, Message (holy crap this is good), and Launch Item (Tanglefoot bags at medium range? Yes, please. :D ).
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: AfterCrescent February 10, 2009, 06:02:23 PM
Bowen, I thought we had this discussion already and you said you couldn't persist our divine spells?

Phaedrus, as soon as we get the cash, I shall be requiring Nightsticks. ;)
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: skydragonknight February 10, 2009, 06:06:46 PM
I've got Recitation covered unless it is already.
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: PhaedrusXY February 10, 2009, 06:23:05 PM
Phaedrus, as soon as we get the cash, I shall be requiring Nightsticks. ;)
No problem. We'll have to get some souls to provide the XP, though. I can get about 200 XP per dark craft/sacrifice (I can get a +64 modifier on Knowledge: Religion, and reroll the check it if it's bad), which is enough for a 5000 gp item, or maybe a bit more if we get fancy with all the modifiers in the BoVD (I could hit +70 pretty easily with those). So we'll need ~100 XP more per Nightstick.

Per the BoVD rules, souls are worth 200 gp, and 10 XP each. Agony is also worth 200 gp, but only 3 XP. A being can provide only 1 soul, but one dose of Agony per hit die. So the most efficient method of "harvesting" XP is to torture creatures to produce Agony, then trade the Agony to fiends for souls, and also use the original victims soul. So, we'll need a "victim" with at least 9 HD to torture, or multiple ones that add up to nearly that, per Nightstick (assuming we can trade them evenly... if we go with the selling stuff at half price, it might not be worth all the trouble, as opposed to just using the Agony and souls we can make).

Of course, we could also try to get some Reliquary Holy Symbols... They're cheaper per turn attempt, but you probably can't just craft them, and they need to be for the proper alignment, unless you can make a DC 30 UMD check...
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: AfterCrescent February 10, 2009, 06:25:20 PM
And I can only wear one symbol at a time, but can carry at least two sticks. ;)

So 9HD to torture. That sounds fun. :D
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: PhaedrusXY February 10, 2009, 06:42:09 PM
We could also use this, if you just want to provide the XP (or we don't have time for torturing a bunch of people and/or stealing their souls :D ).
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060526a

Or we could try just buying the souls for 200 gp each, but you won't wind up saving much money by crafting then. I think I could probably "steal" one per item by using Magic Jar, also.

For the original game I was going to play the original Gabriel in, Lokyn and I (mostly him) put alot of thought into how to cheese out item creation tremendously. His whole character was built around it. Here is a trick he came up with to speed up the item creation process:

Instant Items

If the Creationist has acess to the Sculpt spell feat, the Spell Planar Bubble, and the spell Summon Monster II, and a Dedicated Wright, they can craft items, almost instantaneously.

Steps

   1. Start the Process with the wright (1 hour)
   2. Summon a Kaorti with summon monster II (1 Round)
   3. Cast a Sculpted Planar bubble to exclude the Kaorti an include the Wright. (1 Standard action)
   4. Accept the completed item from the Wright (Move action)
I don't know if we can meet all the prereqs for that (anyone got Sculpt Spell and can cast Planar Bubble?), but we might consider it for the future, if time constraints are an issue.

Of course... you could do alot more abusive things with this combo, too, but we should probably stay away from that. :D
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: BowenSilverclaw February 10, 2009, 06:50:44 PM
Bowen, I thought we had this discussion already and you said you couldn't persist our divine spells?

Phaedrus, as soon as we get the cash, I shall be requiring Nightsticks. ;)
I just checked again and it appears I made boo boo :embarrassed

Need anything persisted AC? I still have 11 more uses after Phaedrus Mass Lesser Vigor :D
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: BowenSilverclaw February 10, 2009, 06:52:41 PM
Also, about crafting, remember we can reduce the price of items with 40% with those rules in the DMG (Tshern already okay'd this way back when we were getting started :))

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: AfterCrescent February 10, 2009, 06:53:28 PM
Phaedrus, if we don't have time to harvest, of course I'd offer my XP for the Nightsticks. I seem to have come upon an extra 5,000 recently anyways. ;)

@ Bowen: :blink :chairhit I'll be right back. *goes off to check spells*
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: skydragonknight February 10, 2009, 06:55:03 PM
...I need to get into the soul-farming business.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 10, 2009, 06:56:48 PM
I'm willing to offer the bonus XP I get from my Item Familiar once I've caught up to you guys and if it's okay with Tshern :)
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: PhaedrusXY February 10, 2009, 06:57:30 PM
Also, about crafting, remember we can reduce the price of items with 40% with those rules in the DMG (Tshern already okay'd this way back when we were getting started :))


You mean making them racial specific and the like? If that's the case, we won't need do do any "harvesting". I can easily get the XP for them via a single sacrifice using Dark Craft/Knowledge Religion/Sacrifice, then. So I could have even more wealth if I abused that. Hmm... (just kidding :D )

I have a few other low level spells I might get you to Persist also, Bowen (like Expeditous Retreat).
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: BowenSilverclaw February 10, 2009, 06:59:11 PM
No abusing if the DM okay'ed it ;) :P
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: AfterCrescent February 10, 2009, 07:00:27 PM
Tshern: What's Dispater's favored weapon?

Bowen: I'd like my Divine Retaliation persisted. And I have a Mass lesser vigor prepp'd so we can re-persist it if it gets dispelled somehow (which reminds me I can't wait until the next day so I can get my divine power and superior resistance back. :D)
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: BowenSilverclaw February 10, 2009, 07:05:03 PM
Done, 10 uses left :)
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: PhaedrusXY February 10, 2009, 07:07:03 PM
No abusing if the DM okay'ed it ;) :P
I don't see where anyone used it, though...
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: AfterCrescent February 10, 2009, 07:08:42 PM
Phaedrus do you still have consumptive field? I'm wondering if I should get Bowen to persist it, or if I should keep my delay death as an emergency backup?
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: PhaedrusXY February 10, 2009, 07:15:54 PM
Phaedrus do you still have consumptive field? I'm wondering if I should get Bowen to persist it, or if I should keep my delay death as an emergency backup?
I'm still persisting Consumptive Field. I considered preparing Delay Death, but there are so many good 4th level spells that it is hard to choose... If you want to prep a Consumptive Field, I can get that, though.
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: AfterCrescent February 10, 2009, 07:20:16 PM
I could go with either one, but if you're still using consumptive, I'm not sure if I should keep Delay death. On the one hand, it's a nice save, but it's also negated when consumptive eats them anyways... It'd probably be nicer for both of us to have consumptive field, that way our enemies have double the chance to die.

After talking with SDK, I'm thinking of something for Invisibility Purge. Is anyone against that? Also, Bowen, think you can persist those two for me in the morning. ;)
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: PhaedrusXY February 10, 2009, 07:24:46 PM
I have Invisibility Purge prepped, but don't want to persist it, as I might actually use Invisibility sometimes via a bound vestige. I guess I could stay away from you, if you persist it. :P

Mythweavers is doing something wonky.... I had it eat a character sheet of mine once when it was doing this...
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: AfterCrescent February 10, 2009, 07:25:26 PM
Fair enough. I won't persist it than ;)
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: PhaedrusXY February 10, 2009, 07:41:16 PM
Actually... go ahead, unless you guys plan to use something like Circle of Invisibility, or something. I won't be standing right next to you when scouting, and that's probably when I'll use that ability. That will free up a 3rd level slot for me, too. :D
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: Irthos Levethix February 10, 2009, 07:45:22 PM
Oh my wow, I log off for a couple hours and there's a whole new page already.  I freakin love the harvesting souls thing.  I don't even care about the XP for crafting, I just really want to make that my new line of work.
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: PhaedrusXY February 10, 2009, 08:03:20 PM
Oh my wow, I log off for a couple hours and there's a whole new page already.  I freakin love the harvesting souls thing.  I don't even care about the XP for crafting, I just really want to make that my new line of work.
:lmao Did you read my character's backstory? See all those self-crafted magic items on his sheet? That basically was his line of work, prior to joining you guys. ;)

I see Perception on Dariedor's sheet, instead of Spot/Listen. Are we using some kind of modified rules for skills?
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: AfterCrescent February 10, 2009, 08:22:45 PM
Actually... go ahead, unless you guys plan to use something like Circle of Invisibility, or something. I won't be standing right next to you when scouting, and that's probably when I'll use that ability. That will free up a 3rd level slot for me, too. :D
All righty then, I will. Assuming Bowen's okay with giving me two more persists. ;)
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: Tshern February 11, 2009, 05:13:25 AM
Good luck getting the downtime for crafting all the items, I'd assume you will be busy. Very busy.

And Dispater is not a deity and thus has no favourite weapon.

Adding Consumptive field to the abuse list. Let's see how the next opponent you face looks like.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 11, 2009, 06:14:14 AM
No abusing if the DM okay'ed it ;) :P
I don't see where anyone used it, though...
Not for initial gear, he only okay'ed it for actual in campaign crafting and the like IIRC
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: BowenSilverclaw February 11, 2009, 06:17:10 AM
I hate you, Tshern...

We'll just need to buy them that way then :P


Anywho, I don't persisting more stuff AC, I'll scratch 2 more uses :)

9/12 remaining :D
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: bogsnes February 11, 2009, 08:09:05 AM
Oh my wow, I log off for a couple hours and there's a whole new page already.  I freakin love the harvesting souls thing.  I don't even care about the XP for crafting, I just really want to make that my new line of work.
:lmao Did you read my character's backstory? See all those self-crafted magic items on his sheet? That basically was his line of work, prior to joining you guys. ;)

I see Perception on Dariedor's sheet, instead of Spot/Listen. Are we using some kind of modified rules for skills?

Spellcraft + Psicraft
Spot + Listen = Perception
UMD + UPD
Hide + MS = Stealth
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: Tshern February 11, 2009, 11:56:09 AM
UMD+UPD=Command supernatural device. Feel free to mark it under UMD though, that's just fine.
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: PhaedrusXY February 11, 2009, 02:01:17 PM
Anywho, I don't persisting more stuff AC, I'll scratch 2 more uses :)

9/12 remaining :D
You have two abilities that can do this, it looks like (Cooperative Spellcasting and Metamagic Effect). So that should be like 21/24 left, right? :P

On the combined skills, how do you handle things that give a bonus to one but not the other? For example, the Eyes of the Avoral spell adds a +8 racial bonus to Spot. Would that now add to perception? Would it get the whole bonus?


If you guys want to do the crafting stuff, I can get a Dedicated Wright and leave it in the Enveloping Pit all the time crafting stuff. We could even do the cheese I mentioned earlier to speed up time (Planar Bubble of the Far Realm)... but I really don't want to see that used against us in more abusive ways (like a wizard who steps into this kind of Planar Bubble to sleep and prepare spells instantaneously...). I could actually get 8 hours of "free" time per day by abusing this with my current setup, if we could get our hands on a native of the Far Plane for that length of time. I don't see how we could use the Summon Monster + Sculpt Spell trick, though, unless Bowen could use his Incantatrix trix for that. By the way, I noticed that Guidance of the Avatar has range touch. So I could give you a +20 Competence bonus to Spellcraft for using that on particularly difficult checks.

I don't remember how long ritual sacrifices take, either. We'd need time for that too, if we want to get the "free" XP.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 11, 2009, 02:12:49 PM
It all depends on what Tshern deems too abusive and would use against us, as far as I'm concerned :P

As for the Incantatrix abilities, one only affects me, the other only affects allied casters :)
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: PhaedrusXY February 11, 2009, 02:33:13 PM
As for the Incantatrix abilities, one only affects me, the other only affects allied casters :)
-Metamagic Effect: Apply a metamagic feat to a persistent spell effect that is already in place. The Incantatrix must be adjacent to or within the spell effect and make a succesful Spellcraft check (DC 18 + [3 x modified spell level]). This ability is usable 3 + Int modifier times per day.
I don't see any such limitation, at least in the text you have in your character sheet. It even says you can be adjacent to the effect, which would definitely include something other than a personal buff, unless there is something more specific written elsewhere that contradicts that.

Also... unless you already have something granting a competence bonus to Spellcraft, I think you could actually Persist up to 9th level spells if AC or I hit you up with a Guidance of the Avatar... (DC = 18 +(3x15) = 63. GotA adds +20, and you have +46 already). That's pretty crazy...
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: skydragonknight February 11, 2009, 02:36:49 PM
need to get a far realms native? Well I'm a warlock, so I have insider knowledge of the world of the occult...and that includes Alienists...who have pseudonatural familiars. Can we say Great Familiar Hunt? :D
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: BowenSilverclaw February 11, 2009, 02:42:02 PM
Heh, never noticed that before. Thanks Phaedrus :D

And yes, I've currently got a +5 Competence item IIRC.
Gonna upgrade that as soon as I have the cash :)
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: PhaedrusXY February 11, 2009, 02:58:36 PM
Heh, never noticed that before. Thanks Phaedrus :D

And yes, I've currently got a +5 Competence item IIRC.
Gonna upgrade that as soon as I have the cash :)
NP. With your abilities, there is hardly any reason for the rest of us to even have the Persistent Spell feat. :p So, even with the bonus overlap, you'd still be able to Persist 9th level spells most of the time, and 7th (the max anyone can currently cast, I think) would be no problem at all.
need to get a far realms native? Well I'm a warlock, so I have insider knowledge of the world of the occult...and that includes Alienists...who have pseudonatural familiars. Can we say Great Familiar Hunt? :D
I don't know if we actually want to abuse this... We could, but it is kind of asking for it, I think. If Tshern has NPCs use it for something other than speeding up crafting, it could turn into an arms race. I mean, we're kind of getting into No-Ship/Terminator/Pun-Pun territory here, dabbling with the far realm and planar bubbles outside of time. :lmao It might be fun, but I don't want to break the campaign...
So maybe I should just get the crafting golem, and we'll just let him work on stuff while we adventure? Or we could try to come up with a less abusive way to speed up crafting...
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: bogsnes February 11, 2009, 03:03:13 PM
The abuse list is probably big enough already, so I don't want Tshren to drown in it :P

Agreed?
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: Tshern February 11, 2009, 03:10:27 PM
As a little hint, Heroism gives morale bonus to skill checks, something that Bowen, I believe, has not used so far. It's a small amount, but definitely better than nothing.

And remember where I live. Right next to the former Soviet Russia, the country where campaign breaks you.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 11, 2009, 03:15:18 PM
Yeah, about that. At what point would we be pushing it with crafting our own shit?

You already okay'd the DMG rules about race/class/skill specific stuff, but what about stuff like:
-Soul harvesting
-Getting a homunculus to do the crafting
-The above, but in a planar bubble
-Etc. etc.


:)
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: PhaedrusXY February 11, 2009, 03:19:13 PM
And remember where I live. Right next to the former Soviet Russia, the country where campaign breaks you.
:lol


One of the vestiges Gabriel can bind is the remnant of a former Lord of the Nine (Geryon). He was loyal to Asmodeus in the first battle with Lucifer, but in the end Asmodeus ate his soul instead of rewarding him, or something like that. Another is a demon lord (Astaroth) that acted as a spy in Hell, and was killed while right in the middle of ascending to godhood (by Gargauth, who was I think another Lot9, and who became a deity afterwards). I'm thinking those guys might have some useful info for us, but in the Tome of Magic it says that vestiges aren't reliable sources of info. Still, I thought it was kind of cool, when I was looking through the info on them.
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: AfterCrescent February 11, 2009, 03:34:14 PM
And Dispater is not a deity and thus has no favourite weapon.
So how would Divine Retaliation (PHB2) work for Talsor? Do I choose a god to steal it from? So I just get an alignment based weapon?
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: Tshern February 11, 2009, 04:17:43 PM
Well, technically speaking, all those who worship Hell or a Lord of the Nine will gain their spells from Asmodeus. As such, you'd probably use Asmodeus' favourite weapon, which is heavy mace.

PhaedrusXY: Your fluff is probably that of WotC's own, so I'll fix the few facts that were mistakes in regards to Dicefreaks.

Geryon indeed was the former Lord of the Fifth. This son of Aesmadeva and Tiamat served as a Duke under Leviathan's rule during the Days of Antiquity (Lucifer's rule). When Leviathan tried to extract information from Bensozia, Asmodeus' wife, Geryon blew his horn alerting Asmodeus who saw her dead wife and imprisoned Leviathan to the ice cube he still is in. Then Geryon was made a Lord. His blind loyalty to Asmodeus was rewarded in a way unique to Hell, he was stripped of his position after the events of Dice Irae. Leviathan was reinstated and he is now searching for the exiled archdevil.

Astaroth was never a demon. He was one of the eight malefircareim Lucifer granted Lordship when he conquered Hell, he became the Lord of the First. Later he started looking for ways to gain divinity and he decided that plotting against Lucifer and failing miserably would lead to his exile, not death. He allied with Asmodeus, who outwitted him and gained the Serpent Throne and, indeed, exiled him. Astaroth changed his name to Garhauth, moved to Abeir-Toril and eventually gained divinity (DvR 5) from Ao. No-one but Ao, Asmodeus, Tiamat (who got in power after Astaroth) and the original Lords (Leviathan, Dispater, Mammon, Sammael, Mephistopheles, Adrammalek and Lilith) know Gargauth's true origins.

Feel free to use Geryon's vestige powers though.
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: PhaedrusXY February 11, 2009, 04:52:27 PM
Ok, Tshern. So neither of those would be a vestige in your campaign? But I could use their powers, and maybe reflavor their origin or something? Or would I still draw power from the actual Geryon of your campaign as a vestige?

There are a couple of vestiges called Astaroth that are in different sources. One of these is supposedly a fallen angel, and the other was the "demon lord" I already mentioned, which is actually Garhauth in your game. Maybe we should rename one or both... I could PM you a pdf with the vestiges outside of Tome of Magic in it, if you're interested. It has both of the Astaroths in there.

Just for reference, here are brief descriptions of the abilities of the vestiges I'm likely to use. The stuff in parenthesis is a brief description of the influences they'll have on me while bound (the physical stuff is automatic; the mental stuff after the semi-colon is only if I fail the binding check). I also put brief explanations of who they are in parenthesis for some of them (Geryon and the two Astaroths). Several of these are powerful demons that are imprisoned in a part of the abyss called the Wells of Darkness. I think this is from the Savage Tides adventure path (Dragon 357). I'll mark them with an asterisk. From their descriptions, I wonder if they didn't accidentally put the Divination power under Astaroth instead of Cabiri, since Cabiri is all about scrying and divination. I plan to keep Balam bound pretty much all the time, and bind the others as needed (it only takes a minute or two to bind one, but it is alot trickier to "unbind" them).

[spoiler=vestiges]
Acerak (gem tooth; must grab for power): Detect & Hide from Undead, Immunity to cold and electricity, Paralyzing Touch (Fort DC 19 each round, 5 rounds), Speak with Dead (at will, DC 19)

Astaroth (fallen angel)(stench, yellowed skin): http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20070307a
Bardic Knowledge, Stinking Cloud breath; +4 Dipl, Bluff, and Intimidate; all crafting feats if I meet prereqs, Suggestion 1/5 rnds

Astaroth* (demon lord)(stench, cloudy eyes; MUST ATTACK DEVILS): Blackflame (fire damage is half vile), Divination (as spell, CL=EBL), +4 bluff and disguise vs evil outsiders, attacks count as silver

Ahazu* (void mouth; kleptomaniac): Blindsight (5 ft/EBL)!, Ahazu's Abduction (remove enemy from play for 1 round, at will, Will negates), Unholy Blight touch 1/5 rnds, Void Mind (Mindblank + immunity to soulbind, magic jar, etc)

Balam (hollow, guttural voice; hates clerics): reroll an attack, save, or skill check once every 5 rounds; 2d6 cold gaze (will negates); Prescience (+1/4lvls insight to Ref, AC, and Initiative); Weapon Finesse

Buer (hooves; forgetful, hates to kill): healing touch, fast healing, disease and poison immunity (30 foot RADIUS), Track, +4 Know (nature, untrained), +4 survival

Cabiri*  (Dragon 357)(third eye; wants to see everything) - Arcane Eye (as spell, 1 sensor, at will), Far-seeing Gaze (+10 Scrying DCs), Seer in Darkness (add 60 ft to darkvision range, gain low-light vision), Visons of Terror (Phantasmal Killer 3/day); +4 insight vs figments, -4 vs patterns, cannot avert eyes from Gaze attack

Dantalion (face on torso; must read thoughts of leaders): Sanctuary, Read Thoughts, teleport 50' 1/5 rnds, +8 knowledge

Geryon (eyes around head; become overly trusting)(former Lord of the 9): +4 spot and search, swift fly 60' 1/5 rnds, see in darkness, all-around-vision, acidic gaze (30', 2d6, will negates)

Malphas (black teeth and tongue; overly romantic, must use poison if possible): Move action invisibility, summon dove/raven, Poison Use, Sudden Strike (3d6)

Naberius (gravelly voice; loves to give speeches): take 10 bluff and dipl, rushed, Command (as spell), heal ability damage 1/round, Disguise Self at will, gain use of (Con mod) trained-only skills you have no ranks in

Otiax (blue fog; nervous around closed doors and must open locks): Combat Reflexes, Concealing Mist (personal concealment), Open Portal (swift action), Unlock (up to DC 20), Air Blast (2d6 touch attack, 10 ft range)

Paimon (stretched mouth; lascivious and bold, must dance if hear music): Whirlwind Attack, pseudo-dervish dance, +4 dex, tumble +4
[/spoiler]

Sorry for all the questions. I do think these could add an interesting dimension to the game, though, and want to get the flavor right for your campaign. I don't want to take away from your posting to the main thread, though. :D
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: AfterCrescent February 11, 2009, 04:57:47 PM
Heavy mace works for me. Nice large heavy mace that punches people when they hit me. :D
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 11, 2009, 06:27:05 PM
Feel free to use those as vestiges, they are in the book, so I don't mind. Just that their fluff won't be the same. And please send the vestiges.
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: PhaedrusXY February 11, 2009, 07:13:52 PM
Feel free to use those as vestiges, they are in the book, so I don't mind. Just that their fluff won't be the same. And please send the vestiges.
Sent to your WotC account.
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: bogsnes February 12, 2009, 11:46:48 AM
is there a online preview of Incantatrix somewhere?
I don't have Player's Guide to Faerun, and it sounds so nice...
Just want to know what he can do...
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: BowenSilverclaw February 12, 2009, 12:05:49 PM
I can Persist my own spells and those cast by other party members without an increase in spell slot level as long as I can make a rather high Spellcraft check. Aside from that some bonus metamagic feats and -1 metamagic cost at level 10 and some metamagic spell trigger stuff.

No online versions though as far as I know. But I copied a description of my class abilities so far to my character sheet, that should give you a basic idea.
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 12, 2009, 12:12:08 PM
yeah, well, the thing is that I want to use it in another adventure...

Maybe you can PM it to me if that is okay?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 12, 2009, 12:18:12 PM
You could download the book?

I'm AFB right now, so I can't help you at the moment...
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 12, 2009, 12:24:24 PM
maybe that, but this PC is not that good at downloading...

The one that is good is in another part of the country, because it is at my father's house...
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 12, 2009, 12:46:44 PM
I downloaded it...
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 12, 2009, 06:57:26 PM
No you didn't, your friend just happened to acquire a book that had Incantatrix in it and borrowed it to you.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 12, 2009, 07:20:15 PM
And now when I am here, please ask ANYTHING that is bothering you about the fluff or if you are just interested. Former Lords of the Nine in order, why were they dethroned or whatever. Really, I'd like you to know all the fluff you want to know and this is easily the best way to do it.

Edit: Own thread for that.
: Re: OOC banter
: skydragonknight February 12, 2009, 07:40:03 PM
So if Phaedrus fails his binding checks on the bolded vestiges he will give a long speech while poisoning my drink?
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 12, 2009, 07:57:10 PM
Yeah. Be immune.
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 13, 2009, 05:38:39 PM
Yes! Finally it seems like I am going to be with the group soon :D

Hurry up before I kill you all :P
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 13, 2009, 05:50:30 PM
Try it...


...and regret it.





:P
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 13, 2009, 05:56:33 PM
What will you do against the 8000 DC 20 Fort saves, then? :P
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 13, 2009, 06:16:54 PM
Win Initiative ;)
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 13, 2009, 06:19:07 PM
Against +25?
What is your Init mod?

EDIT:
So it is +8... I have something like 99% chance of winning!
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 13, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
You do realize I'm playing a Wizard right?

One who is currently severely holding back due to metagame reasons :P



Anywho, friendly banter aside, let's not turn this into an arms race ;)
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 13, 2009, 06:40:54 PM
Yeah, but still, how can you beat +25 to Init?

But yeah, Wizards is just shit
: Re: OOC banter
: PhaedrusXY February 13, 2009, 06:42:35 PM
Yeah, but still, how can you beat +25 to Init?
Celerity, assuming he's not flat-footed (or can still act while flat-footed).
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 13, 2009, 06:46:57 PM
I can use it too, and take a extra standard action in my lesser Celerity because of Cunning Surge which I can use to throw...

Some other problem (I am just curious what a Wizard actually can do to stop me except Craft Contigent Spell/Contigency because they are sick...)?
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 13, 2009, 06:48:00 PM
Or he could just make sure you won't ever even see him.
: Re: OOC banter
: skydragonknight February 13, 2009, 06:49:27 PM
Do you have true seeing? Which mirror image are you attacking?
: Re: OOC banter
: PhaedrusXY February 13, 2009, 06:50:55 PM
Do you have true seeing? Which mirror image are you attacking?
He has racial permanent true seeing, actually. :P It still only goes out to 120 ft, something people often overlook.
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 13, 2009, 06:51:21 PM
I have Constant True Seeing, so I could just see through Mirror Images/Invisibility, etc.

To check if I could actually hit through a Wizards defences with my char is actually very funny :D

Any more tricks except Contigency and the like (and total immunity, of course)?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 13, 2009, 07:03:09 PM
Lessee...

Not letting you get to the Wizard at all.
Kill you from his luxury seat located in another plane while sipping tea and discussing politics with some archdevils :P
Flat-out immunity to whatever you can throw at him.
Blinding you in some way should help at least somewhat ;)
Not caring about dying due to back-up bodies and gear.
Immediate actions to counter etc.


There's plenty more and frankly I'm too tired to think of or list everything :)
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 13, 2009, 07:07:48 PM
Lessee...

Not letting you get to the Wizard at all.
Kill you from his luxury seat located in another plane while sipping tea and discussing politics with some archdevils :P
Flat-out immunity to whatever you can throw at him.
Blinding you in some way should help at least somewhat ;)
Not caring about dying due to back-up bodies and gear.
Immediate actions to counter etc.


There's plenty more and frankly I'm too tired to think of or list everything :)


Well, I meant if I actually got close to you, even if that is unlikely to happen, and I can counter your immidiate action with one myself...

I am actually only two spell levels behind you, even though I get a :censored low number of spells per day...

But, yes, if these aren't the conditions (or maybe even if they are), you would probably kill me...
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 13, 2009, 07:15:52 PM
Don't worry, you're of more use to me alive than you are dead ;)

I'll buff you when necessary, saves me from doing the dirty work :P


In all seriousness though, we're all part of the same team here, which means none of us have to ramp our opt-fu up to over 9000 in order to survive (and this way we can also avoid Tshern busting our balls with our own tricks :P)...
: Re: OOC banter
: skydragonknight February 13, 2009, 07:17:41 PM
I'd prefer not to bring Celerity line of spells to the table, actually.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 13, 2009, 07:19:39 PM
That was kinda my point :)
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 13, 2009, 07:26:16 PM
Bowen: Good luck with those archdevils. Eblis, for example, is CR 67, not something you want to hang around with.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 13, 2009, 07:33:18 PM
Pit Fiends then...

You get the general idea :P

: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 13, 2009, 07:53:03 PM
Now when you accidentally raised the point I'll tell a little something about Dukes and archdevils. They come from the ranks of pit fiends and fallen angels, but once they reach Dukehood or any higher status, they are not what they used to be anymore, then they are truly unique, no true type. Just a note.
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 14, 2009, 06:34:13 AM
Hey, do you think I shouldn't abuse Lesser Celerity with Cunning Surge?

Maybe I'll save the wand, just in case if there is a problem that is so big that I could die without it?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 07:47:15 AM
If you (ab)use it, Tshern will use it against us at some point.

: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 14, 2009, 07:55:43 AM
I know, but is Lesser Celerity so bad?

I thought it was the regular version that was :censored broken...
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 14, 2009, 08:02:59 AM
And also, this thread is actually the one with 10th most posts on the whole boards  :clap
 :P
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 14, 2009, 08:22:55 AM
A lot of spammers around here, I suppose.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 09:07:39 AM
Touché ;)

@bogsnes: (ab)using Lesser Celerity with Cunning Surge nets you the same result as Celerity, or actually, if spending Inspiration Points doesn't cost an action, the same result as Greater Celerity.

So what do you think? :eh
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 14, 2009, 09:12:51 AM
Touché ;)

@bogsnes: (ab)using Lesser Celerity with Cunning Surge nets you the same result as Celerity, or actually, if spending Inspiration Points doesn't cost an action, the same result as Greater Celerity.

So what do you think? :eh

Yeah, but technically it is still not Celerity :D

But that gives me 2250gp more to spend...

Any suggestions?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 09:25:03 AM
Yeah, you're missing the point...
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 14, 2009, 09:27:42 AM
Is it possible to persist touch spells?

Because in that case, Divine Agility could be nice...
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 14, 2009, 09:33:10 AM
It is possible with some trickery, namely Ocular spell, but as such they cannot be persisted.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 09:59:06 AM
Yeah, that's the way to go, opens up a crapton of extra bookkeeping though :P

: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 14, 2009, 10:00:29 AM
It is possible with some trickery, namely Ocular spell, but as such they cannot be persisted.

Huh?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 10:05:25 AM
He means you can't normally Persist touch spells, but if you first apply Ocular Spell (Lords of Madness IIRC) to a touch spell and then apply Persistent Spell it should be possible.
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 14, 2009, 10:08:47 AM
Too bad I don't have any feats left to spend, then, because +10 Dex could be nice.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 10:11:13 AM
Same here, maybe I should start looking for a Metamagic Storm :P

: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 14, 2009, 10:53:45 AM
From top ten posters.
2. Tshern
3. AfterCrescent
7. BowenSilverclaw

Nice done. :P

: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 14, 2009, 11:28:04 AM
Less than 2k gets you to top ten? Weird stuff. I believe Sunic is still way ahead of everyone, but that's not really on topic.
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 14, 2009, 11:31:57 AM
Actually, he is only 106 posts ahead of you.

Before I saw that list, I would never had guessed that he was on top, though.
Strange.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 14, 2009, 01:26:09 PM
He has a lot of posts in a variety of D&D areas, he went past me way before either of us reached 2000 posts. This is not a competition, but I pick up silly details like that and I am an active poster on most of the boards I attend. Stirring up people and tossing opinions is fun, I wouldn't use forums if it wasn't.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 01:31:35 PM
I've got about 8 PbP's, that tends to help...

But yeah, like Tshern said, it's not a competition or anything :)

: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 14, 2009, 01:32:53 PM
I am personally only at PbP, Dispatching the Message, D&D deliberations, Rituals in Winterhaven (more PbPs later, when they start, "Why is he doing that"), Off-topic fun, bitch like you have to (no posting, though), and the playground.

And house rules and creations, d20 games min/max it, okay, I am on many, but I am not posting that much on them...

There is a few more, but not many...

Also, in most time online, AC is on top, and I think Bowen is on 4th or something around that...

Tshren: Why not make your own thread on Dispatching the Message where you only write unreadable nonsense to catch up with Sunic :P :P :P

I have 3 PbPs, and are trying to get into 2 more

I've got about 6-7 PbP's, that tends to help...

But yeah, like Tshern said, it's not a competition or anything :)

6-7? Isn't that a trouble to keep track of?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 01:36:20 PM
No, they tend to move quite slowly. Once character creation is done I don't spend more than 30 minutes a day average on PbP's.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 01:39:02 PM
Also, in most time online, AC is on top, and I think Bowen is on 4th or something around that...
Well, AC is a moderator and he's quite active with the Arena as well I believe. As for myself, I just have BG as my default site whenever my computer's on :P

Tshren: Why not make your own thread on Dispatching the Message where you only write unreadable nonsense to catch up with Sunic :P :P :P
Like he said before, it's not a competition. And besides, I don't believe the Playtime! area counts towards your post count...

: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 14, 2009, 01:52:32 PM
Oh yeah, crap, I got to get back to the Arena thingee as well. Stupid responsibilities.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 03:16:44 PM
Say, is AC still around?
: Re: OOC banter
: skydragonknight February 14, 2009, 03:20:13 PM
Say, is AC still around?

It varies. He was online quite a bit Thursday, but not at all yesterday. He was probably attacked by some guy with a chainsaw or whatever.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 03:27:13 PM
Ow, he'll be alright then...:eh
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 14, 2009, 03:28:35 PM
Or he got shot, it's the USA.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 03:37:08 PM
Shot with a chainsaw? :eh

EDIT: If only I could find that RPC picture I used to have lying around...

: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 14, 2009, 04:54:41 PM
AC, if you don't post here soon, we'll assume that you were shot by a chainsaw, and then we'll eat your breakfast and take your money :P
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 14, 2009, 05:04:29 PM
One thing:
I know that M_S has left, and also Lloclyn, but what with DM?
And why did he leave in that case?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 05:14:09 PM
By the way, Tshern, think we can continue with the game? I don't think there's currently much left for us to do at that church.
Assuming everyone's okay with going back to Dis that is...
: Re: OOC banter
: skydragonknight February 14, 2009, 05:28:08 PM
AC's character would say "I'm about to cast a spell to send myself back to Dis. Come along if you want, or stay here. I don't really care."
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 14, 2009, 05:49:29 PM
He has an item for that, he cannot reach the place where the party will report in.

So yes, please continue.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 06:17:10 PM
he cannot reach the place where the party will report in
What do you mean?
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 14, 2009, 06:21:47 PM
Iron Tower is warded against teleportation.

Edit: Holy crap, I just realized I am not the youngest guy in this game! Bogsnes is even younger.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 06:23:12 PM
Ow, you mean we need to use that item to return instead of a normal spell?
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 14, 2009, 06:23:54 PM
Yes, unless you have other means of teleporting. Things that go around Dimensional anchor, namely.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 06:37:18 PM
No, that's cool and all, just didn't realize we were actually in the one and only Iron Tower when we first started :D

: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 14, 2009, 06:38:16 PM
I believe I mentioned your starting position. It's not unusual for Dispater and his court to keep meetings there.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 06:42:14 PM
Yeah, it's just been a while, that's all.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 14, 2009, 06:48:55 PM
We wouldn't want this to be too easy, huh?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 14, 2009, 06:51:49 PM
Obviously :D

: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 15, 2009, 07:10:31 AM
Does it matter how young I am?

And even though I am only 14 (15 on thursday :D ), I do still have an IQ of about 150 :D
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 15, 2009, 07:17:41 AM
As earlier asked: What happened to DM?
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 15, 2009, 07:41:38 AM
Oh, I don't mind, I've just so used to be the youngest guy in most groups on this forum. The average age is above me. Generally it's good to be young.

Not quite sure what happened to him, probably school stuff.
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 15, 2009, 07:45:39 AM
Oh, I don't mind, I've just so used to be the youngest guy in most groups on this forum. The average age is above me. Generally it's good to be young.

Not quite sure what happened to him, probably school stuff.

Well, he IS answering on the stuff on his handbooks...

You are the youngest?

When I started with DnD, I thought the average age would be around 18-20, but I guess I was wrong...

but yes, young is good :D
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 15, 2009, 07:55:29 AM

You are the youngest?

When I started with DnD, I thought the average age would be around 18-20, but I guess I was wrong...

but yes, young is good :D
I believe Tshern is 21...
I'm 22 and I think AC is 23.
Not sure about SDK and DM, but I believe they're in their 20's as well, Phaedrus just turned 36 IIRC.
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 15, 2009, 07:58:21 AM
Okay, when he said he was almost always the youngest, I thought that most were around 30ish...

Idiotic thought...

I really hope AC is coming back soon, though, because I can't wait to start (+ he has two adventures to give a child board that I am in)
: Re: OOC banter
: SixthDeclension February 15, 2009, 10:18:33 AM
Does it matter how young I am?

And even though I am only 14 (15 on thursday :D ), I do still have an IQ of about 150 :D
Yay! Someone younger than me! I know how it feels to be young on forums (only just turned 17). The only problem is when homework finally catches up with you and you have to take a break from the internet.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 15, 2009, 10:37:48 AM
Does it matter how young I am?

And even though I am only 14 (15 on thursday :D ), I do still have an IQ of about 150 :D
Yay! Someone younger than me! I know how it feels to be young on forums (only just turned 17). The only problem is when homework finally catches up with you and you have to take a break from the internet.
Just skip all the homeworks like I did and keep women and booze as your best excuse not to do them. That's how to do it.
: Re: OOC banter
: SixthDeclension February 15, 2009, 10:44:02 AM
Does it matter how young I am?

And even though I am only 14 (15 on thursday :D ), I do still have an IQ of about 150 :D
Yay! Someone younger than me! I know how it feels to be young on forums (only just turned 17). The only problem is when homework finally catches up with you and you have to take a break from the internet.
Just skip all the homeworks like I did and keep women and booze as your best excuse not to do them. That's how to do it.
But at some point the women and booze also prevent you from being on the internets. Also, us Americans aren't the forerunners in cheap universities.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 15, 2009, 10:47:27 AM
What is that supposed to mean? Homeworks give you money? Also, move to a country with free universities, I believe foreigners have to pay some 100 euros a year here, so it's not totally free for you here either. Heck, Aberdeen, my favourite destination, costs almost 1200 euros a year.
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 15, 2009, 02:19:42 PM
I do actually not use more than 15-20 min on homeworks every day :D

I am good at school, actually. But I am also very lazy, which is preventing me from getting 6 in many things...

But maths is no problem though :D

Two years ahead of the class :P

Does it matter how young I am?

And even though I am only 14 (15 on thursday :D ), I do still have an IQ of about 150 :D
Yay! Someone younger than me! I know how it feels to be young on forums (only just turned 17). The only problem is when homework finally catches up with you and you have to take a break from the internet.
Just skip all the homeworks like I did and keep women and booze as your best excuse not to do them. That's how to do it.

Women is just stupid, and I am never going to have a girlfriend...
Booze is not good to take, right?

In that case you are idiotic in that thing :P
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 15, 2009, 02:37:12 PM
Women are stupid, but they've got their perks.

Booze is good, especially whiskey.
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 15, 2009, 02:42:21 PM
Booze is good, especially whiskey.

For the bodily health was what I meant
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 15, 2009, 02:52:22 PM
As long as you don't overdo it.
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 15, 2009, 03:00:30 PM
As long as you don't overdo it.

I did actually not know what it meant in norvegian...

Thought it was some kind of thing like marijuana or something...

(Narkotika på norsk) for those who understand written norvegian...
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 15, 2009, 03:03:32 PM
Booze means harder alcohols. Narkotika would be drugs and they are generally not too good for once health, though a joint of marijuana can help you at times. Oh yeah, narcotics is a term for drugs too, so you were close.  I don't suggest you try it, it might not work out too well.

Also, at some point you'll reach a state where you would fornicate even a street light. Women are, in that regard, very useful.

Time for me to take some whiskey.
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 15, 2009, 03:19:23 PM
Booze means harder alcohols. Narkotika would be drugs and they are generally not too good for once health, though a joint of marijuana can help you at times. Oh yeah, narcotics is a term for drugs too, so you were close.  I don't suggest you try it, it might not work out too well.

Also, at some point you'll reach a state where you would fornicate even a street light. Women are, in that regard, very useful.

Time for me to take some whiskey.

Nah, I'll never have a women, or use drugs...
It is just stupid, and you don't gain anything on it...

Better to spend the hours on DnD :P
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 15, 2009, 03:51:58 PM
I'm curious to see how long you can keep that up :P

: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 15, 2009, 03:59:21 PM
Until he turns 16.
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 15, 2009, 04:00:40 PM
I'm curious to see how long you can keep that up :P

I have a 20 page word document of the list of people that are curious of that.

okay, I haven't, but it is very many...

Until he turns 16.

Probably longer, since I am one of those that if I decide something, I stick with it (unless it is a DnD class, which I change a lot in my RL campaign which I DM...)
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 15, 2009, 04:09:48 PM
Honestly, I don't see the point in making a decision like that. I'd just go with the flow and not get a girl if you don't feel like it. Making a solemn promise doesn't really give you anything.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 15, 2009, 05:41:04 PM
I gave AC a nudge.
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent February 15, 2009, 05:51:19 PM
Yeah yeah, I'm still here. I'm off to the in game thread to catch up.

As an aside, you, Tshern, told us we didn't want to go back to Dis yet, hence why I hadn't activated the little cube.
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 15, 2009, 06:01:40 PM
Did I? I thought I only implied you have not fulfilled your task per se.
: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent February 15, 2009, 06:16:50 PM
Maybe I read it wrong, then. I thought we were to stay and hunt down our prey, otherwise I would have cracked that thing as soon as we saw the mob. :P
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 15, 2009, 06:19:58 PM
When I get Irthos' and Bowen's replies we can introduce our new players. Good, good.
: Re: OOC banter
: skydragonknight February 15, 2009, 06:28:58 PM
Testing Testing
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: Tshern February 15, 2009, 06:33:06 PM
If you intend to use that, I'll kill you and, worst of all, won't read your posts. Okay, I posted mine a second after yours, this one is more acceptable.
: Re: OOC banter
: skydragonknight February 15, 2009, 06:36:15 PM
alright. either of those two good?
: Re: OOC banter
: PhaedrusXY February 15, 2009, 06:39:24 PM
When I get Irthos' and Bowen's replies we can introduce our new players. Good, good.
Boo-muthu-fuckin-ya! :D

Thinking it over... I'm having a bit of a hard time imagining Gabriel worshiping anything. He seems too paranoid to worship anyone... I guess since Dispater is known for his paranoia, he's an appropriate choice. But still... how do you worship anyone when you're too paranoid to trust anyone, even (and maybe especially) deities and cosmic powers?

I guess if he saw it as some kind of mutual benefit, in that he could trust Dispater to keep him around as long as he continues to be useful but not threatening, and that Gabriel could feel assured of some kind of reward (whether that ever happens or not), then that might work... But given how freakin' powerful Dispater and his cronies are, it's kind of hard to imagine yourself as useful to them. :p

Oh, and how's this for my speech color?


Edit: I got it. It could work like this. Gabriel at first just starting worshipping Dispater kind of as a lip-service, not really meaning it, but using it as a means to an end (more power, better treatment in Dis, etc). Then some of the devils serving Dispater took notice of him, and recruited him, and Gabriel is too paranoid/afraid of drawing their wrath to turn them down. So he goes along... inwardly reluctantly, but outwardly acting like he's all for it.
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: Tshern February 15, 2009, 06:42:17 PM
The latter is just fine. You don't have to worship anyone for Ur-Priest, you can steal your powers from good gods and just be an indirect servant of Dispater. Perhaps you have traded in his city or something. Pick your poison.

Well, Dispater and his people can't do it all, especially given their extensive limitations when it comes to travelling out of Hell. More importantly, Dispater would never risk his most important henchmen, much less himself, in a mission that could be potentially dangerous. Sixty billion pieces of cannon fodder work faster than eight dukes, two archdevils and a Lord-Regent anyway. Most of the times at least.
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: Dictum Mortuum February 15, 2009, 06:47:03 PM
Sorry about being late, exams period again -_-
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 15, 2009, 06:50:16 PM
Np, np. Check the situation in the IC thread when you can and say if you are okay with following orders. In the room you will just meet your new groupies.
: Re: OOC banter
: PhaedrusXY February 15, 2009, 08:12:29 PM
Here's my entrant.
[spoiler]
Ozymandius

The Undying Bull God
Eternal Emperor of the Sands of Time

Half(blue)-Dragon Minotaur Dry Lich (10 dragon HD + 60 class levels +5 LA)
Dragon 10/Barb1/Blackguard5/Frenzied Berzerker4/PsiWar2/Cleric3/Walker in the Waste 10/Cleric+6/Cosmic Descryer 12/Legendary Dreadnought 7

Cleric CL 29 (40 with buffs and items)

Active Spells:
Greater Consumptive Field (Persistent, Maximized)(+20 enh. Str, +10 CL, +80 temp HP, assuming it caps at these)
Mantle of the Icy Soul (instantaneously added Cold subtype)
Greater Spell Immunity (Telekinesis)
Antimagic Field (he is immune to it)
Freedom of Movement
Resonating Resistance (from BoVD, roll twice to beat his SR, take worst roll)

Active Epic Spells (7 Epic spells per day):
Greater Esoteric Aegis (see notes, +40 to Dispel DCs, immune to MDJ, lasts 1 day)
Greater Epic Mage Armor (40 armor bonus for 3 days)
Enhance Soul (+25 Wis and Cha)
Enhance Mind (+25 Dex and Int)

Epic Spells known (not approved yet):[sblock]
Greater Esoteric Aegis (based on GoH Chp2)
Abjuration
Spellcraft DC: 123
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 11 minutes
Range: Personal
Effect: 10-ft. radius emanation
Duration: 24 hours
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No
To Develop: 747,000 gp, 15 days, 29,880 XP (recalculate). Seeds:
ward (DC 14), transform (DC 21). Factors: gain +40
bonus on DC to avoid being dispelled (ad hoc +80),
make spell effect tenacious (as per the feat) (ad hoc +10),
end dispel checks that fail to dispel this spell automatically
(ad hoc +4), ward against mage’s disjunction (+16).
Mitigating factors: change range from touch to personal
(-2), increase casting time by 10 min (-20)
The caster calls upon the very fabric of magic to fashion
a ward to protect his own working of the Word from
those that would tear it down. A shimmering, dusky
globe surrounds the caster, intercepting any attempts to
end his spells by means of dispel magic, or similar spells
and epic spells, and providing a +40 bonus on the DC
against which the dispel attempt must succeed. Any dispel
attempt which succeeds can then proceed as normal,
but esoteric aegis works as if under the effects of the
Tenacious Magic feat, and thus cannot be dispelled, only
suppressed for 1d4 rounds. Dispel attempts that fail are
not entitled to checks against lesser spells within the area
of effect (this differs from the usual procedure of area
dispel magic attempts). Furthermore, mage’s disjunction
is warded against in its entirety.

Fortify Wisdom (also knows Dex, Int, and Cha versions)
Spellcraft DC 31
Fortify Seed: 17
Factors: Increase attribute by +24 (+48), duration x5 (100 hours)(+10), casting time increased by 10 min (-20).
Caster gains +25 ehn. to Wisdom for 100 hours

Greater Epic Mage Armor
Conjuration (Creation) [Force]
Spellcraft DC: 70
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 10 minutes
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 72 hours (D)
Saving Throw: Will negates (harmless)
Spell Resistance: Yes (harmless)
To Develop: 630,000 gp; 13 days; 25,200 XP. Seed:
armor (DC 14). Factors: +36 additional armor bonus
(+72), increase duration by 200% (+4). Mitigating Factor:
increase casting time by 9 minutes (-18), change
target to personal (-2).
Greater epic mage armor works as per epic mage
armor, except that it grants a +40 armor bonus to Armor
Class, and lasts for 3 days.

Perfect Mindblank
?
All attempts to use any form of scrying and/or divination on you or an item in your possession fail automatically. This includes the Salient Divine Abilities of deities which produce scrying or divination effects, but not their Portfolio Sense. You detect all scrying and divination attempts that target you or an item in your possession. This includes attempts to scry on you in the present, past, and future. You also get a brief glimpse of the being that attempted the scrying/divination.[/sblock]

Other spells I'd like to use, but haven't gotten approval for yet: Mindrape and Resonating Resistance from the Book of Vile Darkness.

Ability scores: 238 points, distribute as desired, add +1/4 levels (18) and racial mods (+28 more points)(total 284 points). No physicals higher than 70 (for mediums, can go higher with size increases), or mentals higher than 55.

For large size:
Str 98 (78+20enh)(+44)
Dex 61 (46+25enh)(+25)
Con - (originally 20)
Int 55 (30+25enh)(+22)
Wis 80 (55+25enh)(+35)
Cha 80 (55+25enh)(+35)

Move 80', Fly 240'
Alignment: Neutral Evil
Divine Rank 18
Domains: Thirst, War, Earth, Fire, Time, and Fate
Ethos
[sblock]Ethos
The fate all warriors is to die. The best that they can hope for is to die gloriously in battle. Then their memories can immortalize them, preserving them long past after their mortal coil has long since decayed into dust.

All things decay. Death and ruin are the inevitable end for all. Time withers away even great mountains. The waste can preserve greatness, though. It burns away impurities, and hides the purified essence in its shifting sands.

Ozymandius exemplifies this: a great warrior whose deeds have been immortalized in tales and legends, and whose body has been purified and preserved by the waste. He calls on other warriors to follow his example, and legions of such undead scions live with him in his pyramid beneath the Sands of Time (a region of Hades).[/sblock]

BAB: 20+25EAB
Attacks: (45bab+18divine+44str+10enh-1size) +116 Reaper (unstatted greataxe), +106 Bite (1d8+22), +106 Gore (1d8+22), +106 2 claws (1d6+44)

Full attack: +116/111/106/101 Reaper (3d6+76, 19-20/x3, always touch attacks), +101 Bite (1d8+22), and +101 Gore (1d8+22)

Divine Might adds +35 damage per hit

On a charge: Full power attack, Shock Trooper to put penalty to AC, Leap Attack increases PA damage to 3x45= +135, for 3d6+211 damage per attack.

Rage + Frenzy adds 10 more to str and an extra attack, for a total charging Leap attack Divine Might routine of:
 
+123/+123/118/113/108 Reaper (3d6+253)(avg 1317 for all weapon attacks, all vs. Touch AC) and +108 Bite (1d8+174), and +108 Gore (1d8+174), for a total of 1683 average damage. The target has to make a Fort. save DC 77 or be destroyed for every attack that lands (Annihilating Strike).

AC: 196 (10+18divine+33nat+35defl+40armor+25dex+36monk-1size), Touch 119, FF 171

HD 75d12+2625+150+24 (Hit points 3699)

Base Saves: Fort +42, Ref +34, Will +34
(+53 from Cha and DR)
Total Saves: Fort +95, Ref +112, Will +122


Wealth for ECL 60 is 108,600,000!!! What is it for us?

Feats: Improved Initiative (Time domain), Weapon Focus (Greataxe, War Domain), Power Attack (1), Cleave (3), Improved Sunder (6), Great Cleave (9), Destructive Rage (12), Intimidating Rage (15), Heat Endurance (18), Extra Rage (21), Improved Bull Rush (PsiW1), Shock Trooper (PsiW2), Spell Focus: Conjuration (24), Energy Resistance (Sonic) (27), Extra Rage (30), Ruinous Rage (33), Leap Attack (36), Divine Might (39), Instantaneous Rage (42), Extend Rage (45), Combat Reflexes (48), Combat Brute (51), Dodge (54), Combat Expertise (57), Karmic Strike (60), Epic Spellcasting (CDesc5), Spell Stowaway (Time Stop) (SDA makes this useless, replace with what?) (CDesc10), Improved Critical (Greataxe)(63), Speed of Thought (66), Improved Combat Reflexes (LD5), Psionic Charge (69)

Other feats: Craft Wonderous Item (Retrained away)

Skills, Fiendish Companion, and more equipment to come.

Equipment (under construction): Some artifiact incorporating the function of a Monk's belt, and a Belt of Battle.

The Reaper

This large headsman's axe is an artifact of great power. Crafted from the thigh bone of a greater deity, it has a +10 enhancement bonus. It overcomes all regeneration and damage reduction as if it were constantly bathed in Trollbane and had the Shadowstriking property, except it works on the first hit. It protects the wielder with a constant Spell Turning effect, and can also grant immunity to one specific spell of up to 9th level, in a fashion similiar to Greater Spell Immunity. Finally, it traps the souls of any it slays (as if it were made of Thinuan). The wielder can communicate with trapped souls telepathically, and free them if he wishes. The wielder can also cast spells or use other powers on trapped souls as long as the abilities target the mind or soul.

SDAs (gets 5 extra per Dice Freaks rules, so 23 total)
Clearsight (Wis 29)
Divine Fire Mastery (Fire Domain)
Divine Earth Mastery (Earth domain)
Divine Fast Healing (fast healing)
Energy Storm (use Negative energy. It gives all benefits of Divine Storm plus does 18 negative energy damage per round, which heals Ozymandius.)
Extra Sense Enhancement (applied to Fire Mastery sense, senses all corporeal creatures within 18 miles)
Irresistable Blows (War domain, attacks with greataxes are touch attacks)
Supreme Initiative (Dex 29, Improved Initiative. Always goes first.)
Annihilating Strike (anyone hit makes Fort save, DC 28+Str_mod, or destroyed)
Battlesense (cannot be surprized, flanked, sneaked, lose Dex, etc; except by higher rank deity)
Divine Dodge (68% miss chance for everything)
Divine Shield
Call Creatures (call up to 18 creatures of his hit dice of one specific kind)
Divine Blast (1d12 per DR + 1d12 per Cha_Mod, 18 mile range, destroys and penetrates Force effects)
Increased Damage Reduction (add 5 and weird material or alignment)
Supreme Damage Reduction (weapon must be forged in a specific way)
Automagic Metamagic (Persistent)
Automagic Metamagic (Quicken)
Automagic Metamagic (Maximize)
Life Drain (Swift action cloud, 10' high x 180' radius, Living creatures must make a Will save or die (DC 20+DR+Cha_mod). If they succeed, they still get 2 negative levels.)
Two custom SDAs
[sblock] Custom SDAs

Master of Destiny (approved)
Prerequisites: Time and Fate Domains; Clearsight, Battlesense, and Extra Sense Enhancement SDAs, Wisdom 40

The deity can see perfectly into his own future for up to one round per divine rank. He can perfectly forsee the results of his own actions, and the actions of others as they affect him. This means he is able to react to the actions of others up to 18 rounds before they are taken, adjusting his own actions accordingly.

In game terms, this allows him to "redo" his actions for a number of rounds up to his DR. Any creatures able to percieve his new actions can react accordingly, but they have no memory of the "previous" rounds, as they never actually occurred.

Use of this power requires no action on the deity's part. It is automatic, and not even his death can prevent it, as he forsees it and reacts to it before it happens. Nothing can block the deity's ability to see his own fate, including the SDAs of other deities and cosmic entities, and the powers of artifacts. His ability to observe other creature's part in his future may be obscured by appropriate protections against divination effects, however.

This power also automatically extends to the deity's avatars and proxies, as they contain fractions of his own power and essence, but their fates may be obscured by appropriately powerful magic. The deity can also use this ability to forsee the fate of any of his followers, but this requires a swift action to use, and he can only forsee the fate of up to 1 follower per divine rank per use of this ability. Finally, the deity can use this ability on a creature that is not a follower of his, but this requires a standard action and the target can attempt a Will save to resist it. If they succeed, they know they were targetted by some kind of supernatural effect.


Stabilize Timestream SDA (not approved yet)
Prerequisite: Time domain

All time manipulation effects within 100 feet per divine rank of the deity automatically fail. This includes Time Stop, Temporal Acceleration, Time Hop, most of the abilities of phanes, etc. The deity can supress or resume this ability as a free action on his turn.[/sblock]
One more...

Other deific abilities:
Alter Size (Fine to Collossal, with all bonuses and penalties)
Alter Reality (Dice Freaks version): Can produce any spell effect in line with his portfolio. Can add metamagic, but this delays use of Alter Reality for 1 round per extra spell slot level normally added.
Domain Powers: All useable 18 times per day.
Can spontaneously cast any spell he grants.
Can use domain spells as SLAs at will. Caster level is HD+DR. Save is 20+Cha mod +spell level +DR.
Greater Teleport (100 lbs/DR objects) and Greater Plane Shift (100 lbs objects) at will.
DR 45/Silver and epic (plus alignment and unique weapon forging requirements)
Divine Aura (Ex): See text. Will use Fright mostly (Shaken, Will DC 28+cha_mod)
Spell Resistance 87
Skills: Add DR to all skill checks, ability checks, caster
level checks, and turning checks.
Equipment: Limited to +24 weapon (+10 actual enh), armor, and shield.
Swift actions: 20 per round, DC 30 or less. Can be any action within her portfolio, except only 1 swift spell per round.
Create items: Can be anything related to portfolio, including artifacts...
Portfolio sense: Senses anything related to it, up to 18 weeks in past or future.
Senses: All extend out to 18 miles.
Avatars: Can make up to 20, DR 0, half class levels. See book for more info.
Proxies: Can imbue mortals with divine power. This includes one SDA useable at the deities DR... Other crazy abilities. It might be worth taking all of the avatars and proxies and having them all coordinate attacks at once.

Dry Lich abilities (all saves DC 15+Wis_mod):
Dessicating Touch (5d6, Fort for half)
Aura of Despair (60' radius, Will or shaken for 1d4 rounds)
Constitution Drain Touch (Fort or take 1d6 Con drain, lich gains 5 temp HP)
Unholy Toughness (Cha mod to all hit dice)
Water weakness (water acts as Holy Water)
Fast Healing 2 (in arid environments)
Turn Resistance +6
DR 10/bludgeoning+magic
If destroyed, returns in 1d6 weeks if all 5 Canopic Jars not destroyed.

Immunities
Immune to Maze, never flatfooted, never lost (Minotaur).

Undead type

Deities have the following immunities. Individual deities may have more immunities. Unless otherwise indicated, these immunities do not apply if the attacker is a deity of equal or higher rank.

Transmutation
A deity is immune to polymorphing, petrification, or any other attack that alters its form. Any shape-altering powers the deity might have work normally on itself.

Energy Drain, Ability Drain, Ability Damage
A deity is not subject to energy drain, ability drain, or ability damage. (Attacks by equal or higher rank deities of this type should work.)

Energy Immunity
Immune to electricity (dragon), sonic (deific), acid (deific), fire (SDA), and cold energies (cold subtype, from a spell), even if the attacker is a deity of higher divine rank.

Deities of rank 1 or higher are immune to disease and poison, stunning, sleep, paralysis, and death effects, and disintegration.

Deities of rank 6 or higher are immune to effects that imprison or banish them. Such effects include banishment, binding, dimensional anchor, dismissal, imprisonment, repulsion, soul bind, temporal stasis, trap the soul, and turning and rebuking.

Other abilities
Barbarian: Pounce, Rage (for FB).

Frenzied Berzerker: Cannot die from hit point damage while Frenzying. Due to being a Dry Lich, he is also immune to subdual, so he can't be knocked unconscious from hit point damage, either. He only has 5 Rages and 5 Frenzies per day, though. And they only last 6 rounds, due to his lack of a Constitution score. :(

Blackguard: Cha to saves, fiendish companion based on character level, Rebuke Undead (used for Divine Might).

Half-dragon: Makes him immune to electricity, and gives him non-magical flight.

Cosmic Descryer:
Naturalization (Ex)
Starting at 2nd level, the cosmic descryer develops a natural affinity for one plane that he or she has visited, becoming resistant to any spells and spell-like effects that would normally affect any creature not native to that plane.

Cosmic Connection (Su)
Dimension Door at will, can boost several things by an uncapped amount by taking damage.

Legendary Dreadnaught: Unstoppable and Unmovable powers twice per day, both of which are (Ex).
I'm not sure more Frenzied Berzerker wouldn't be better, due to the power attack improvements of that class.

I'm still not sure more Frenzied Berzerker wouldn't be better, due to the power attack improvements of that class.

He also has epic clerical spellcasting for insane buffage (some included above), and he has an Antimagic Field around him (which he ignores, thanks to his DR), making him immune to all magical attacks that don't come from deific beings (or epic spells?).

Water, Positive Energy, Divine, Vile damage and physical damage could be problems, while he isn't Frenzying. He has an SDA that totally stops all ranged weapon attacks, though, and he is by far most dangerous in melee. So if he forces his enemies to melee him, he will likely win.[/spoiler]Oh wait... wrong thread. :D
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 16, 2009, 08:10:33 AM
C'mon PhaedrusXY, let's roll then...
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 16, 2009, 10:40:55 AM
I can't wait to start!

This will be my color..

EDIT: What colors are taken? It was a bit hard to read it...
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 16, 2009, 01:36:09 PM
Should I introduce myself now?
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 16, 2009, 01:45:26 PM
Also, does everyone have Dungeonscape, or should I give a short description of what the Factotums class features does?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 16, 2009, 01:54:09 PM
I have Dungeonscape :)
: Re: OOC banter
: PhaedrusXY February 16, 2009, 02:27:08 PM
I have a copy, but I've never looked through the class. I've sure seen it mentioned alot online, though.
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: bogsnes February 16, 2009, 02:29:31 PM
I have a copy, but I've never looked through the class. I've sure seen it mentioned alot online, though.

You should read through it. It is awesome.

My favourite class, actually...

I have made about 5, while I only have made 1 of each other class I've ever mad (except 3 warblades)
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: BowenSilverclaw February 16, 2009, 02:40:57 PM
I've given it a good read a couple of months ago.
It really is a pretty damn awesome class, great versatility as well, which means, even if you might not excell at any options when compared to a true specialist, but you've always got something to do :)

I truely like it :D

: Re: OOC banter
: AfterCrescent February 16, 2009, 02:49:35 PM
Eh, it's that whole not be excellent when compare to specialists that makes me not love it like everyone else, apparently. ;) Still a fun looking class, though.
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: bogsnes February 16, 2009, 02:52:37 PM
I've given it a good read a couple of months ago.
It really is a pretty damn awesome class, great versatility as well, which means, even if you might not excell at any options, you've always got something to do :)

I truely like it :D


And the cool thing is:
There is nothing I can't do (maybe except for cleric-like buffs and maneuvers). The only problem is a low amount per day.

Need (non-combat, or maybe even in, with taking an extra action) healing? I can do that, from level 5 and on.
Need Wizard casting? I can do that too (even though I am two spell levels behind, with very few uses/day)
Need someone to Sneak Attack? I can get that too, with IF in addition

Get class levels to skills, int to damage/atk rolls/saves/AC etc by spending IP (which refills each encounter).
Take extra actions, yes please.
Gain other classes broken class features.
ALL SKILLS AS CLASS SKILL with 6+int mod SP per level is also awesome.

But we shouldn't forget the best: The ability to get Int to Dex and Str based skills (all day) AND all Str and Dex based checks (initiative, trip, disarm, bull rush, the list goes on) ALL DAY

Eh, it's that whole not be excellent when compare to specialists that makes me not love it like everyone else, apparently. ;) Still a fun looking class, though.

Yes, it is extremely fun (why other reason is it to use a class 5 times, with 3 of them being in the 5 campaigns on internet I am trying to join right now, and one of them I would too, but couldn't because of that the DM hadn't Dungeonscape, and the in the other I had to be a homebrew class)
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: BowenSilverclaw February 16, 2009, 03:06:53 PM
I can see AC's point as well, but I've been on a bit of a Wizard trip lately, which allows me to cover most roles as well (even if it might involve some cheese every now and then :P)

Even though I've always known about the superiority of casters, until about a half year ago I usually opted for the melee role in the party (which usually earned me the enmity of my old regular DM, because basic melee was seen as overpowered *sigh*  :rollseyes)
because I liked the relative simplicity...
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 16, 2009, 03:09:34 PM
should I introduce myself now?

If you don't answer soon, I'll just do it :evillaugh
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 16, 2009, 03:14:34 PM
Hey, it's your character dude.
Just do it when you feel it's appropriate :)

: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 16, 2009, 03:15:29 PM
Okay, I just wasn't sure if we were in the same room at the moment
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: AfterCrescent February 16, 2009, 03:17:21 PM
Yeah, we're all in the same room now...

So let's see the little pikachu. :P
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: bogsnes February 16, 2009, 03:21:07 PM
Yeah, we're all in the same room now...

So let's see the little pikachu. :P

I am sorry, but I couldn't find a picture of him :P
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 16, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
Hey, this isn't The Thorny Trail, and that's my Pikachu :P

: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 16, 2009, 03:29:38 PM
Hey, this isn't The Thorny Trail, and that's my Pikachu :P

When did you make him?
Copyer! Dark Beguilers are reserved me from now on (but you can keep him by sending me 25$ :P)
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 16, 2009, 03:40:41 PM
Yeah, tough luck kid, I've had him for a couple of months :P
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 16, 2009, 03:42:26 PM
Yeah, tough luck kid, I've had him for a couple of months :P

weird that I made exactly the same race, with exactly the same template
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 16, 2009, 03:43:04 PM
It's just that damn good :)
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 16, 2009, 04:21:53 PM
It's just that damn good :)

I know :D

But why Dark?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 16, 2009, 05:06:30 PM
Stealth bonuses :)

I'm pretty good at raw damage dealing, but the original character concept of my Beguiler was for the party scout, that's why I have Mindsight :)
: Re: OOC banter
: skydragonknight February 16, 2009, 07:49:18 PM
Otherworldly Whispers makes for great voices-inside-your-head.
I assumed I have good reason to be surprised at something with a DC 30, although I have no idea what exactly is so surprising.
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: Irthos Levethix February 16, 2009, 07:49:59 PM
Nice bluff check.
: Re: OOC banter
: skydragonknight February 16, 2009, 07:55:05 PM
Never said he was good at hiding things. At least you made the name not-a-secret so I didn't have to say it.
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix February 16, 2009, 07:57:48 PM
Not a prob, I just thought it was funny.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 16, 2009, 07:59:10 PM
This party should work well together :)

In-party RP looks like fun as well :D
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 16, 2009, 08:00:02 PM
I am happy with your activity, very pleased. This means there will be no archdevils waiting for you in the next encounter.
: Re: OOC banter
: Irthos Levethix February 16, 2009, 08:04:59 PM
Does that mean we get bonus XP for surviving it?

nevermind we dont use xp anymore
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern February 16, 2009, 08:05:39 PM
What is this surviving and is it compatible with 3.5?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 16, 2009, 08:09:00 PM
Hehe :P

Regarding Irthos small text though, have you decided on how you'll be dealing with me and Dictum yet? Seeing as we're both a level behind and we'd get more XP with the normal XP system...


Aside from that, I'm curious to find out more about the plot you have planned for us :)
: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 17, 2009, 02:54:49 PM
I am strongly thinking of getting myself an Item Familiar instead of FoI... It is 40 more "SP" over the levels, but I need to know:
- Are there big chances for that anything is going to happen with it?
- Are I allowed to change?
- Are it worth it, since I lose 1 IP (+1 more per 3 levels as I am going to take more fonts)?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw February 17, 2009, 04:01:37 PM
Well, assuming you can get opponents flat-footed, it sure is a great way to boost Iaijutsu Focus :)

: Re: OOC banter
: bogsnes February 17, 2009, 04:14:13 PM
it does only apply to melee attacks... that's why I readuced it to 1 rank...
: Re: OOC banter
: Dictum Mortuum February 17, 2009, 04:22:17 PM
Hehe :P

Regarding Irthos small text though, have you decided on how you'll be dealing with me and Dictum yet? Seeing as we're both a level behind and we'd get more XP with the normal XP system...


Aside from that, I'm curious to find out more about the plot you have planned for us :)


I'm ok with not getting any extra xp, not a big of a deal.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 17, 2009, 04:45:41 PM
Well, I would've only used it to fuel Phaedrus' crafting anyway, although I would like to catch up to the rest in level...
That's mainly why I was okay with the loss of XP from the Phrenic template, I knew I was gonna catch up eventually :)
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: Tshern February 17, 2009, 05:33:21 PM
PhaedrusXY: Incidentally, Malphas is another devil. A Duke of Hell serving the Warlord of the First, Bael. His royal blacksmith, essentially.
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: PhaedrusXY February 17, 2009, 05:44:04 PM
PhaedrusXY: Incidentally, Malphas is another devil. A Duke of Hell serving the Warlord of the First, Bael. His royal blacksmith, essentially.
Interesting. I'm going to assume that the vestiges I bind are different creatures than the ones that obviously still exist in your campaign world, even if they share the same name. Vestiges are all at least half-crazy, anyway. Maybe some of them have forgotten who they truly were and just think they are those creatures whose names they've taken (like the two different ones that call themselves Astaroth). :D

I'll probably bind Tenebrous for this upcoming confrontation, for his 1xday ability (allows you to teleport 40 ft as an immediate action, lasts 8 rounds). Then I'll kick him out with the Vestige Phylactery and bind something else. Any problem calling upon the vestige of a fallen deity/demon lord while in the Iron Tower? :D
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: bogsnes February 17, 2009, 06:05:16 PM
I am strongly thinking of getting myself an Item Familiar instead of FoI... It is 40 more "SP" over the levels, but I need to know:
- Are there big chances for that anything is going to happen with it?
- Are I allowed to change?
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: AfterCrescent February 17, 2009, 06:17:11 PM
I went ahead and reapplied my buffs that were taken, along with the 3 new ones that are persisted thanks to Bowen. :D
I think that's all I can persist (unless there's a 1st or 2nd level spell someone needs) at this level.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 17, 2009, 06:48:03 PM
Still working on my spell list for this encounter, anyone have any suggestions?
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: AfterCrescent February 17, 2009, 06:58:13 PM
What definites do you already have?
What pre-battle buffs are you thinking?
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: Tshern February 17, 2009, 07:25:10 PM
I am strongly thinking of getting myself an Item Familiar instead of FoI... It is 40 more "SP" over the levels, but I need to know:
- Are there big chances for that anything is going to happen with it?
- Are I allowed to change?
Feel free to change it. I am not sure if I got what your first question means.
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: AfterCrescent February 17, 2009, 07:26:34 PM
He wants to know what the odds of it being targeted for theft/destruction are, I believe.
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: PhaedrusXY February 17, 2009, 09:00:58 PM
I probably won't be on much more till tommorrow. I posted my actions to take for the next 10 hours here (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=638.msg114576#msg114576), if it matters. I'll cast the Shield Other on whomever we decide is best. I don't really care.

There are a couple of divinations in there which I'll use after preparing spells to decide exactly how much to buff, and the rest is just resting and buffing.
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: skydragonknight February 17, 2009, 10:49:32 PM
Tshern:
Since Hell has only one "deity" would anyone who worships any of the Lords of 9 count as a worshiper of Asmodeus for the purpose of the Recitation spell from Spell Compendium?
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: Tshern February 18, 2009, 06:52:10 AM
Yes. Technically all spells gained from any of the Lords, Dukes or archdevils are granted by Asmodeus anyway, even though no-one really knows that. Not even your characters, but you sure know Recitation works oddly.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 18, 2009, 07:47:26 AM
What definites do you already have?
What pre-battle buffs are you thinking?
Well, I'm not changing my current buff list (listed on my sheet as '(Self Buff)' in the SPELLS PREPARED block and listed in the BUFFS block as well. Apart from those I'm open to suggestions.
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: Tshern February 18, 2009, 08:00:54 AM
Preparing a Haste might be smart. Doesn't stack with Righteous wrath of the faithful when it comes to giving an extra attack, but the speed boost is nice. You might have that from your domain anyway though.

Also, Bowen, you seem to have Apostate as one of your feats. You need to throw a saving throw against all buffs given by divine spellcasters. This includes PhaedrusXY, AC, Dictum Mortuum and SDK.
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: bogsnes February 18, 2009, 10:05:12 AM
As AC said, I need to know what the odds of destruction/stealing, etc. are...
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: BowenSilverclaw February 18, 2009, 10:10:41 AM
I voluntarily fail my saving throws against allies, that still works, right?
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: PhaedrusXY February 18, 2009, 01:20:33 PM
I was guessing no. That's why I decided against taking that feat. :p

I just noticed that both Mass Conviction and Heroes' Feast give Morale Bonuses, so the boost to Will saves from each won't stack. So in total, you'll all just get +5 to all saves from me (morale bonus).
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: bogsnes February 18, 2009, 01:23:42 PM
"updates sheet". Okay.

Can you please write what all day buffs I benefit from?
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: PhaedrusXY February 18, 2009, 01:30:35 PM
Sure. These are the ones I'm giving you.

All day buffs:
-Righteous Wrath of the Faithful (group buff, Extended Persistent, lasts 2 days)
    Everyone gets an extra attack at their highest bonus, and +3 to hit and damage (morale)
-Superior Resistance on Dareidor  (extended, lasts 2 days)(+6 resistance bonus to all saves)
-Greater Magic Weapon on Dareidor's weapon of choice (extended, lasts 40 hours)(+5 enhancement bonus, does not stack with existing bonus)
-Mass Lesser Vigor (Persisted by Bowen, lasts 24 hrs)(Fast Healing 1 for everyone)
- Heroes Feast (group buff, extended, lasts 24 hrs)
    Everyone who eats part of it is cured of all diseases, sickness, and nausea; gains 1d8+10 temporary hit points; and becomes immune to poison and fear for 24 hours.

Shorter duration buffs:
-Mass Conviction (+5 morale bonus on everyone's saving throws)(lasts 200 minutes)




I know SDK is also giving us a +3 to AC, saves and attacks (luck bonus from Recitation). I'm not sure about others.
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: bogsnes February 18, 2009, 01:36:01 PM
Temporary HP (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/1944781/)

Are there a maximum range on anyone of them?
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: PhaedrusXY February 18, 2009, 01:49:37 PM
Mmm... yeah, that's a good question. I think Mass Conviction would work no matter how far you go after it's cast, as it is a radius burst. Righteous Wrath of the Faithful is also a burst and so should continue to benefit you after you move away also I think, but I forgot to mention that it is [Mind Affecting], so if you have a Mind Blank or something, you won't benefit from it. Mass Lesser Vigor... I'm not sure about. It targets individual creatures and has a range, so maybe you lose the benefits if you move too far away. The others I cast should be fine if you move away. I'm not sure about Recitation.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 18, 2009, 02:20:18 PM
Wait, I can't fail voluntarily with that feat? Crap...

Say, Tshern, I haven't used it yet. Any chance you could let me swap it out for one of the other Elder Evil Vile Feats???
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: AfterCrescent February 18, 2009, 03:12:17 PM
I just updated Talsor with all the group buffs. You all rock, his lockdown & pounce just got a lot better. :D
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: bogsnes February 18, 2009, 04:06:05 PM
Damn... I discovered that I had used too many points...

Had to lower Dex by 2 and Cha by 1...

I do still need to know the chance for my Item familiar to be destroyed...

Also, do you allow +1 ability score items and rings of spells at command?
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: Tshern February 18, 2009, 04:29:01 PM
Wait, I can't fail voluntarily with that feat? Crap...

Say, Tshern, I haven't used it yet. Any chance you could let me swap it out for one of the other Elder Evil Vile Feats???
Sure.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 18, 2009, 04:49:53 PM
Thanks, should have it done somewhere tonight or tomorrow tops :)

EDIT: Probably going with Insane Defiance...
I don't have my books with me at the moment, does it have any caveats like Apostate does that aren't listed in the basic description in the excerpt?

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: skydragonknight February 18, 2009, 05:35:19 PM
[spoiler=Insane Defiance]Insane Defiance [Vile]
You adopt insanity as a shield to turn effects that target your
mind against those around you.
Prerequisite: Base Will save +5.
Benefi t: As an immediate action, whenever you are the
target of a mind-affecting spell or spell-like ability, you can
take 1 point of Wisdom damage to retarget the effect to
another creature of your choice within the effect’s range.
The new target takes a –4 circumstance penalty on its saving
throw, if any, against that effect.
Special: If you cannot take ability damage, you cannot
select this feat.[/spoiler]
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: Tshern February 18, 2009, 05:42:52 PM
IIIRC it has no actual downsides.
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: bogsnes February 18, 2009, 06:27:32 PM
As I've asked like 5 times now:

I do still need to know the chance for my Item familiar to be destroyed...

Also, do you allow +1 ability score items and rings of spells at command?

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: PhaedrusXY February 18, 2009, 07:25:59 PM
Here are some questions I asked two weeks ago:

1) Does the damage from Shield Other bypass Regeneration?

2) Here is a list of the buffs Gabriel will typically have. Which ones will go with him when he moves to a different body? Also, for the ones that also target other party members, which ones require them to stay close by after the spell is cast to continue to recieve the benefits? I'll put my guesses next to them. A complete list of the ones I plan to cast before we leave Dis can be found here (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=638.msg114576#msg114576).

-Righteous Wrath of the Faithful (RWotF): This is a burst effect, so I think it stays on whomever it was cast initially, regardless of where they go, and probably affects the body but I'm not sure on that part.
-Consumptive Field: I don't know... It gives a boost to Str, caster level, and temporary hit points. It seems like it should actually be split up... But then again, it is also an aura, so I guess it should go.
-Divine Power: Stays, you said.
-Righteous Might: Stays.
-Superior Resistance: I'd guess goes, but I could see it going either way.
-Permanent Arcane Sight: Could go either way. I think I'd actually prefer it to stay, so every body I inhabit doesn't have glowing eyes... :p
-Mass Lesser Vigor: I really don't know about this one. It targets several creatures individually, that all have to be within 30 ft of each other at the time of casting. I don't know of they have to stay close to keep the benefits or not.
-Shield Other: I'd guess this stays.

3) Can outsiders be possessed? Per the RAW, I don't think anything prevents it, but per the fluff I don't think it should be possible. Their body and soul are basically one. I interpret this to mean they basically are physical embodiements of souls. I'd also think they couldn't be animated into undead, except for maybe ghosts and similiar things.

4) What happens if Gabriel is caught in an AMF? Initially, I thought it would kill him, but after looking at Magic Jar and AMF, I think it wouldn't.

Magic Jar says: If the spell ends while you are in the magic jar, you return to your body (or die if your body is out of range or destroyed). If the spell ends while you are in a host, you return to your body (or die, if it is out of range of your current position), and the soul in the magic jar returns to its body (or dies if it is out of range).

AMF says: An antimagic field suppresses any spell or magical effect used within, brought into, or cast into the area, but does not dispel it.

So I think Gabriel would be trapped and unable to do anything (and the host he's inhabiting would regain control of their body), but Gabriel wouldn't be killed, as the spell isn't ended (Dispelled) but is merely supressed.

So in all, I think he's in alot better shape than I initially thought (I thought initially he was pretty vulnerable, hence the elaborate lair with the Clone in it...). Since his possession is a Su ability, it can't be dispelled normally. Also, an AMF would merely supress it, and after rereading Protection from Evil, that would have no effect if cast after he's in a body (originally I thought a Magic Circle would expel him). So about the only real threats he has to worry about is something odd like a Sacred Exorcist, or someone trapping him in a body (via AMF, etc) and killing it, and the last creature he possessed simultaneously being out of range.

5) I'm not even sure Disjunction would affect him, from the way it is worded.
All magical effects and magic items within the radius of the spell, except for those that you carry or touch, are disjoined. That is, spells and spell-like effects are separated into their individual components (ending the effect as a dispel magic spell does), and each permanent magic item must make a successful Will save or be turned into a normal item.
Is a supernatural ability that reproduces a spell a spell-like effect? Maybe. It's not a Spell-like Ability, though, and that term is close enough to SLA that it might be the same thing, or might not...

6) Can outsiders be infected with a Necrotic Cyst?

7) I plan on preparing a Necrotic Cyst spell every other day, and trying to infect someone with it. Presumably, Gabriel has been doing this for several years. That should mean that there are a lot of people walking around with these things... As I have in my backstory, I plan on him having enslaved a few "pawns" in various places via Necrotic Tumor, but not that many. Most cysted people will just be wandering around unknowing and otherwise unharmed by it, but they will be useful to Gabriel, if we happen to need to travel to those places and find things out, set up a base of operations temporarily, etc.

So, is this all ok? If we all of a sudden need to go to mid or large sized city X, can Gabriel say "Oh, I know some people who might be useful there...", and go to town, walk around with a Detect Necrotic Cyst up, and pick out some people to enslave/scry on/etc? Or even better, let's say he keeps a list of them, their name and where they are, and scries on them occasionally to see if the cyst has been discovered. He'd probably shoot for people with access to high places, but who aren't really that important themselves, like a Chamberlain's maid, etc, but would also put them in just random people like bartenders, etc.

Of course, this also means that there will be a few people who have perhaps caught on to all these encysted people walking around, and might be looking for whoever is doing it, which lead to fun mayhem. :D

Note: I'm not looking to break the game or overpower my character with this. I just think it would be really fun, and it is what I envision that he's been doing prior to this. He likes politics, and likes to try and manipulate things, often from behind the scenes, to get blackmail material, set up shadow operations which can yield him power and/or profits, etc.
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: Tshern February 18, 2009, 07:38:33 PM
As I've asked like 5 times now:

I do still need to know the chance for my Item familiar to be destroyed...

Also, do you allow +1 ability score items and rings of spells at command?
It might get destroyed, but I am not a keen fan of sundering items. As such, I'd trust it doesn't get sundered, but of course, if you toss it to a pit of lava, you can kiss it goodbye.

+1 ability score items are totally fine. Depends on the spell, naturally, and as stated, we operate under Gentlemen's agreement, meaning that whatever you use, can and, in several cases, will be used against you.
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: Tshern February 18, 2009, 07:57:43 PM
1) Does the damage from Shield Other bypass Regeneration?
It doesn't imply that, so I rule that if the damage would normally bypass your regeneration, it will pass it now as well, but otherwise it won't.

2) Here is a list of the buffs Gabriel will typically have. Which ones will go with him when he moves to a different body? Also, for the ones that also target other party members, which ones require them to stay close by after the spell is cast to continue to recieve the benefits? I'll put my guesses next to them. A complete list of the ones I plan to cast before we leave Dis can be found here (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=638.msg114576#msg114576).
Mentals transfer. The following do not: Expeditious retreat, Air walk, Eyes of the Avoral and the physical aspects of Death knell (how are you using that anyway, you haven't killed anything, right?). And as far as I know, you only need to qualify for spells at the time of casting, so only the ones that specifically require you to stay within range are lost if others move away.

-Permanent Arcane Sight: Could go either way. I think I'd actually prefer it to stay, so every body I inhabit doesn't have glowing eyes... :p
Does not stay.

-Mass Lesser Vigor: I really don't know about this one. It targets several creatures individually, that all have to be within 30 ft of each other at the time of casting. I don't know of they have to stay close to keep the benefits or not.
Stays on others, not the new body of yours.

3) Can outsiders be possessed? Per the RAW, I don't think anything prevents it, but per the fluff I don't think it should be possible. Their body and soul are basically one. I interpret this to mean they basically are physical embodiements of souls. I'd also think they couldn't be animated into undead, except for maybe ghosts and similiar things.
Nothing prohibits possessing them.

4) What happens if Gabriel is caught in an AMF? Initially, I thought it would kill him, but after looking at Magic Jar and AMF, I think it wouldn't.
Technically, wouldn't your soul gem be in some place outside the effects of the antimagic field? This reminds me of Iron Siege questions...

Magic Jar says: If the spell ends while you are in the magic jar, you return to your body (or die if your body is out of range or destroyed). If the spell ends while you are in a host, you return to your body (or die, if it is out of range of your current position), and the soul in the magic jar returns to its body (or dies if it is out of range).
Technically AMF doesn't end the spell, so I suppose you would just become inactive if your gem for some reason would be exposed to the AMF.

5) I'm not even sure Disjunction would affect him, from the way it is worded.

All magical effects and magic items within the radius of the spell, except for those that you carry or touch, are disjoined. That is, spells and spell-like effects are separated into their individual components (ending the effect as a dispel magic spell does), and each permanent magic item must make a successful Will save or be turned into a normal item.
Is a supernatural ability that reproduces a spell a spell-like effect? Maybe. It's not a Spell-like Ability, though, and that term is close enough to SLA that it might be the same thing, or might not...
As per RAW, I believe it would not be stopped by Disjunction, but I have always ruled that Disjunction dispels supernatural effects. This will also be the case now, but I am not a Disjunction fan in the first place...

6) Can outsiders be infected with a Necrotic Cyst?
I'll get to this tomorrow when I get the appropriate book.

7) I plan on preparing a Necrotic Cyst spell every other day, and trying to infect someone with it. Presumably, Gabriel has been doing this for several years. That should mean that there are a lot of people walking around with these things... As I have in my backstory, I plan on him having enslaved a few "pawns" in various places via Necrotic Tumor, but not that many. Most cysted people will just be wandering around unknowing and otherwise unharmed by it, but they will be useful to Gabriel, if we happen to need to travel to those places and find things out, set up a base of operations temporarily, etc.
Hmmm, the problem really is that other players never had the chance for preparations like this. Technically I should allow this to everyone then. My suggestion is as follows: Everyone can have contacts in places strongly related to their lives. Don't expect to get too great benefits out of this (such as getting money from random people you've enslaved) but otherwise this should work.
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: PhaedrusXY February 18, 2009, 08:16:30 PM
1) Does the damage from Shield Other bypass Regeneration?
It doesn't imply that, so I rule that if the damage would normally bypass your regeneration, it will pass it now as well, but otherwise it won't.
Great. :D

2) Here is a list of the buffs Gabriel will typically have. Which ones will go with him when he moves to a different body? Also, for the ones that also target other party members, which ones require them to stay close by after the spell is cast to continue to recieve the benefits? I'll put my guesses next to them. A complete list of the ones I plan to cast before we leave Dis can be found here (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=638.msg114576#msg114576).
Mentals transfer. The following do not: Expeditious retreat, Air walk, Eyes of the Avoral and the physical aspects of Death knell (how are you using that anyway, you haven't killed anything, right?). And as far as I know, you only need to qualify for spells at the time of casting, so only the ones that specifically require you to stay within range are lost if others move away.
Awesome. I figured I could ask for something to kill. Or we can summon something, etc.

-Permanent Arcane Sight: Could go either way. I think I'd actually prefer it to stay, so every body I inhabit doesn't have glowing eyes... :p
Does not stay.
I might get rid of that, then. Or replace it with a magic item, if that's ok.

-Mass Lesser Vigor: I really don't know about this one. It targets several creatures individually, that all have to be within 30 ft of each other at the time of casting. I don't know of they have to stay close to keep the benefits or not.
Stays on others, not the new body of yours.
Ok.

3) Can outsiders be possessed? Per the RAW, I don't think anything prevents it, but per the fluff I don't think it should be possible. Their body and soul are basically one. I interpret this to mean they basically are physical embodiements of souls. I'd also think they couldn't be animated into undead, except for maybe ghosts and similiar things.
Nothing prohibits possessing them.
Ok.

4) What happens if Gabriel is caught in an AMF? Initially, I thought it would kill him, but after looking at Magic Jar and AMF, I think it wouldn't.
Technically, wouldn't your soul gem be in some place outside the effects of the antimagic field? This reminds me of Iron Siege questions...

Magic Jar says: If the spell ends while you are in the magic jar, you return to your body (or die if your body is out of range or destroyed). If the spell ends while you are in a host, you return to your body (or die, if it is out of range of your current position), and the soul in the magic jar returns to its body (or dies if it is out of range).
Technically AMF doesn't end the spell, so I suppose you would just become inactive if your gem for some reason would be exposed to the AMF.
He doesn't have a gem anymore with the PrC ability. The bodies he inhabits also count as the receptacle. If the body he is in is killed, or he is forced out of it somehow, he automatically tries to repossess the last body he was in before that one, if it is within range. If it is not, or he fails to possess it, he dies.
5) I'm not even sure Disjunction would affect him, from the way it is worded.

All magical effects and magic items within the radius of the spell, except for those that you carry or touch, are disjoined. That is, spells and spell-like effects are separated into their individual components (ending the effect as a dispel magic spell does), and each permanent magic item must make a successful Will save or be turned into a normal item.
Is a supernatural ability that reproduces a spell a spell-like effect? Maybe. It's not a Spell-like Ability, though, and that term is close enough to SLA that it might be the same thing, or might not...
As per RAW, I believe it would not be stopped by Disjunction, but I have always ruled that Disjunction dispels supernatural effects. This will also be the case now, but I am not a Disjunction fan in the first place...
Good...

7) I plan on preparing a Necrotic Cyst spell every other day, and trying to infect someone with it. Presumably, Gabriel has been doing this for several years. That should mean that there are a lot of people walking around with these things... As I have in my backstory, I plan on him having enslaved a few "pawns" in various places via Necrotic Tumor, but not that many. Most cysted people will just be wandering around unknowing and otherwise unharmed by it, but they will be useful to Gabriel, if we happen to need to travel to those places and find things out, set up a base of operations temporarily, etc.
Hmmm, the problem really is that other players never had the chance for preparations like this. Technically I should allow this to everyone then. My suggestion is as follows: Everyone can have contacts in places strongly related to their lives. Don't expect to get too great benefits out of this (such as getting money from random people you've enslaved) but otherwise this should work.
I mainly was going to use it for contacts on the Prime. Yeah, I'd think everyone should have something like this. Our characters didn't just spring into existence from a vacuum, after all.
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: skydragonknight February 18, 2009, 08:21:32 PM
My suggestion is as follows: Everyone can have contacts in places strongly related to their lives. Don't expect to get too great benefits out of this (such as getting money from random people you've enslaved) but otherwise this should work.

Excellent. My contacts are on Abeir-Toril, in case we ever want to trash Faerun. ;)

(edit: i before e except in Abeir-Toril)
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: PhaedrusXY February 18, 2009, 08:50:55 PM
My suggestion is as follows: Everyone can have contacts in places strongly related to their lives. Don't expect to get too great benefits out of this (such as getting money from random people you've enslaved) but otherwise this should work.

Excellent. My contacts are on Abier-Toril, in case we ever want to trash Faerun. ;)
I wasn't sure which Prime we're using, or if we could be from different ones, but they all connect to the same Hell, etc. That's why I just said Prime. :p
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: Tshern February 18, 2009, 08:55:13 PM
Faerun probably, since Gargauth lives in Abeir-Toril. Sort of strips us of most possibilities.

Also, I seem to have lost all the notes I made for Lucifer's archdevils and Dukes. Isn't that a fucking party?
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: PhaedrusXY February 18, 2009, 09:32:43 PM
Faerun probably, since Gargauth lives in Abeir-Toril. Sort of strips us of most possibilities.
Good. I'm most familiar with that one. I can pick specific cities that I have activities in then. Or hell, we could just make up a percentile and roll it every time to see if I have one, when needed.

Like I said, I'd like to say he has a few enslaved people who act as "managers" for activities in different places, and also has a bunch of people that he's put cysts in but done nothing with. He uses the latter ones to scry on occasionally, mostly. (No save, no SR scrying, that he can use a few spells through).

I don't plan to try and make money or anything off this. Just use them mostly as a RP tool, and to gather information, for (relatively) safe places for us to stay and get supplies when we go somewhere, etc.

How about I pick say 10 cities that I have "managers" in (or 5, whatever sounds reasonable to you), and then we'll just roll some percentile if it is for a guy with a cyst somewhere else?

Edit: How about this: Managers (permanently enslaved dudes who run an "operation" for me) in the Capitols of Aglarond, Tethyr, Cormyr, Silver Marches, Calimshan, Unther, and Amn, and also one along the Sword Coast, one in Icewind Dale, and one in Luiren.
Also, I seem to have lost all the notes I made for Lucifer's archdevils and Dukes. Isn't that a fucking party?
Ouch...  :bigeye
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: Tshern February 18, 2009, 09:40:25 PM
I should be able to recover a draft version of Mazikeen though, I sent it to my friend some time back.

I'd prefer percentile roll, so I don't feel guilty if I pick a city you don't have people in.
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: PhaedrusXY February 19, 2009, 12:11:51 AM
I'd prefer percentile roll, so I don't feel guilty if I pick a city you don't have people in.
Yeah, maybe that's better. Give everyone a 10% chance, or something.
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: skydragonknight February 19, 2009, 01:02:09 AM
I will request Waterdeep since I want to be the leader of the local cult (which I will introduce when I am sufficiently badass)
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: bogsnes February 19, 2009, 10:51:08 AM
I'll use an item familiar, and just so it is mentioned, I am not going to have any contacts as it conflicts my background story...

Also, the reason to +1 items is to improve my Str to be high enough to that I can carry my things, and Wis and Cha to get +0 mod...

I think my Item Familiar will be a ring of sustenance and some spells at command...

Probably of Disguise Self, Nerveskitter, Silent Image, Benign Transposition, and maybe some more (maybe Invisibility)...
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: bogsnes February 19, 2009, 10:59:02 AM
And just so you know it:
If I ever lose my Item Familiar I really SUCK, so please don't kill it...
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: bogsnes February 19, 2009, 11:42:07 AM
Ok, I just got a CRAZY idea (you are probably not going to allow it, though)

From DMG page 285 Use Activated or continuous: Spell level x Caster level x 2000gp (x4 for rounds)

So, the question is:
Is continuous True Strike allowed (8000gp)?

My ring is probably going to be

Ring of Sustenance, Silent Image, Benign Transposition, Disguise Self, Nerveskitter (more if I find more good lvl 1 spells)...
With continous True Strike if it is allowed (I'd guess it isn't)...
Oh, and either constant (if it is allowed) or command word (in the more likely case that it isn't) Guided Shot...
And maybe also swift fly, alter self and/or shrink item...

The Item familiar gave me 6600 more XP to craft with :D
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: Tshern February 19, 2009, 11:48:01 AM
Of course you can take that if you want. The mechanical problem is that when you first use your True strike, it vanishes as it specifically says it only helps you with a single attack. Also, I believe this has been clarified somewhere along the 60 pages, but anyway, the extra experience function of item familiars is not going to be present in this game, because it is such a poorly implemented ability that it goes beyond all comprehension.
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: bogsnes February 19, 2009, 12:32:19 PM
Damn...

That means no extra crafting XP...

Well, it is useful anyways...
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: Tshern February 19, 2009, 01:25:36 PM
I will work crafting XP for those who want it and currently I am trying to figure out a system I could use to give some compensation to those who cannot craft.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 19, 2009, 01:31:23 PM
I don't believe you mentioned that before, but it's cool with me :)

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: Tshern February 19, 2009, 01:38:16 PM
Item familiar XP mechcanism silliness? Really?
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: BowenSilverclaw February 19, 2009, 01:42:19 PM
Could be I forgot, but I wouldn't think so, since I was the only one in the party with one...

Then again, I was only going to use it to catch up to the rest of the party a little bit quicker, after that I was probably going to ignore it all together or maybe donate it to whoever wants to craft if that wasn't seen as too abusive.

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: PhaedrusXY February 19, 2009, 01:43:02 PM
I will work crafting XP for those who want it and currently I am trying to figure out a system I could use to give some compensation to those who cannot craft.
I posted a link earlier to stuff on the WotC website that will let item crafters use the XP of donors to make magic items. They could commission crafted items more cheaply by using that, I'd think. Or we can make them during our adventures. I did go ahead and put down the crafting homunculus on my item list, and plan to keep him in my Enveloping Pit working on things as we adventure.
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: Tshern February 19, 2009, 03:25:50 PM
This XP-less system is a bit difficult, but I prefer that to the normal one just because of the slow pace of PbPs. This way you'd be leveling up after the next mini-adventure (only been one so far), otherwise it'd be a long while till level 13...
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: PhaedrusXY February 19, 2009, 04:09:06 PM
Ah... so we're not using XP? Ok. Yeah, that kind of makes it weird to figure out item crafting. I guess any sacrifices and what-not we do for that will be for RP benefit, then. :p
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: bogsnes February 19, 2009, 04:11:42 PM
What about giving some of the benefits of VoP, which dissapears the more you craft (without the feats, of course)...

Since VoP is supposed to replace wealth, and crafting gives more wealth (though you don't have to be good)
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: skydragonknight February 19, 2009, 04:19:00 PM
What about giving some of the benefits of VoP, which dissapears the more you craft (without the feats, of course)...

Since VoP is supposed to replace wealth, and crafting gives more wealth (though you don't have to be good)

Do you want every enemy you face to have virtual evil-flavored VoP in addition to it's normal resources?
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: bogsnes February 19, 2009, 05:05:35 PM
That was a problem...
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: Tshern February 19, 2009, 06:04:57 PM
Ah... so we're not using XP? Ok. Yeah, that kind of makes it weird to figure out item crafting. I guess any sacrifices and what-not we do for that will be for RP benefit, then. :p
I am working to find a way around that. I'll probably give you some experience for crafting purposes and give something to compensate for those unable to craft. Let's see what everyone thinks of my ideas.
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: bogsnes February 19, 2009, 06:26:19 PM
Had to remove 16 charges from my wand of divine insight due to money troubles...

My Item familiar is now a ring of sustenance, Silent Image, (not Disguise self since I dropped it for) Guided Shot, Nerveskitter, Benign Transposition (the spells at-will)

One thing is bothering me with the command word thing:

I still have to use the normal amount of time to cast the spell, right?
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: BowenSilverclaw February 19, 2009, 06:40:50 PM
Actually, it doesn't use the same rules as a Wand. You need to spend a standard action to activate a command word magic item, so you might be better of ditching Nerveskitter and getting an Eternal Wand of Nerveskitter instead if you want it.
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: PhaedrusXY February 19, 2009, 06:48:36 PM
Actually, it doesn't use the same rules as a Wand. You need to spend a standard action to activate a command word magic item, so you might be better of ditching Nerveskitter and getting an Eternal Wand of Nerveskitter instead if you want it.
Or just a regular one. 50 charges is quite a lot, and we can always make another one if it starts running low. That would let him use it more than twice per day, if he needs.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 19, 2009, 06:52:29 PM
Yep :)
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: AfterCrescent February 19, 2009, 09:35:40 PM
Ah... so we're not using XP? Ok. Yeah, that kind of makes it weird to figure out item crafting. I guess any sacrifices and what-not we do for that will be for RP benefit, then. :p
I am working to find a way around that. I'll probably give you some experience for crafting purposes and give something to compensate for those unable to craft. Let's see what everyone thinks of my ideas.
Since it seems like Phaedrus at least is willing to craft for us, assuming we can supply the XP, I figure giving a certain amount to all of us will allow for customized items through our crafters...
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: PhaedrusXY February 19, 2009, 10:38:19 PM
Ah... so we're not using XP? Ok. Yeah, that kind of makes it weird to figure out item crafting. I guess any sacrifices and what-not we do for that will be for RP benefit, then. :p
I am working to find a way around that. I'll probably give you some experience for crafting purposes and give something to compensate for those unable to craft. Let's see what everyone thinks of my ideas.
Since it seems like Phaedrus at least is willing to craft for us, assuming we can supply the XP, I figure giving a certain amount to all of us will allow for customized items through our crafters...
Assuming we have time for an occasional ritual sacrifice, I'm willing to provide the XP too. :p I can only make stuff for which the craft feats have  a prereq CL of 8 or lower, and don't require other feats, though.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 20, 2009, 08:09:43 AM
Mmh...
I might be able to make some stuff, not sure.
I was working on something a while back, I'll get back to you guys on that :D
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: PhaedrusXY February 20, 2009, 01:09:22 PM
Doh, Craft Rod has a CL 9 prereq. So I won't be able to craft Nightsticks for another level. Staff is CL 12 (Gabriel had that earlier in his career, but retrained it). Contingent Spell is CL 11.

Although... with Bowen the UBER-mage with us, we could actually retrain our Persistent Spell feats for crafting feats, if we really want to craft stuff. :p
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: BowenSilverclaw February 20, 2009, 01:30:52 PM
Just remember I only have a limited number of uses for that, so between the 3 of us I might not be able to Persist it all :P

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: PhaedrusXY February 20, 2009, 01:39:20 PM
Just remember I only have a limited number of uses for that, so between the 3 of us I might not be able to Persist it all :P


Didn't we figure out that you have like 24 uses of that per day in total, as both abilities can be used for it? I'd say that's plenty...
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: BowenSilverclaw February 20, 2009, 01:41:04 PM
Ah, found what I was looking for :)

Gentlemen, please open your copies of Frostburn to page 124 and take a look at the Midgard Dwarf.

If I (Draconic) Polymorph into one of those guys, I should be able to take care of crafting Armor, Weapons, Wondrous Items and Rings. :D
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: bogsnes February 20, 2009, 02:52:47 PM
If I change my ring, which spell should I put in?

I'll probably get a eternal wand of Nerveskitter, but what should I do with my ring, to have a few options in it? A cool and useful 1st level spell...
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: PhaedrusXY February 20, 2009, 03:03:26 PM
I added a Circlet of Persuasion to Gabriel, if that's ok, Tshern. It's just too valuable not to have, considering it also would add to his binding checks. I made it a pair of glasses instead of a circlet, and also added +1 boosts to Charisma and Int to it, to make those even. I added his Periapt of Wisdom to his helmet, and made it a MW Listen tool and his glasses also a MW Spot tool.

Yeah, I'm pretty much officially raping the WBL via crafting now... :p
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: Irthos Levethix February 20, 2009, 03:29:02 PM
I feel so underequipped....
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: BowenSilverclaw February 20, 2009, 03:35:03 PM
Heh, same here.

I've been working on a Wizard for my Eberron game for when my friend takes over DM-ing duties for a while, level 9-ish as well, and for his gear I was able to completely rape WBL :D
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: BowenSilverclaw February 20, 2009, 03:39:03 PM
@Bogsnes: You could get Disguise Self again for your ring, since you originally dropped it...
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: PhaedrusXY February 20, 2009, 03:52:02 PM
Gabriel has about 114,000 gp of wealth in total if you bought it all at the listed costs, but 7,000 of that was spent on permanent effects in his "secret lair", which will probably never matter in the game, and 12,000 is spent on stuff purely for the party. Another 16,000 was for his Legendary Item, which is basically only there for the Cunning ability, and 15,000 is tied up in a Vestige Phylactery, which lets him swap a bound vestige out once per day, which is actually overpriced I think, since it only reproduces the feat Expel Vestige. So I don't think he's too far over what he should be, taking that stuff into consideration.

If someone really has a problem with it, I can get rid of some things. We can hopefully craft more stuff for other people once the game gets going also, assuming we get some money.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 20, 2009, 03:57:51 PM
Meh, it's fine with me. Assuming we can eventually get some crafting going ofcourse :P (see also my post on the previous post :D).

Say, I've heard about the 'Cunning' ability before. What is it, what does it do, where is it located?
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: PhaedrusXY February 20, 2009, 03:59:24 PM
Say, I've heard about the 'Cunning' ability before. What is it, what does it do, where is it located?
Its from the Weapons of Legacy book. It is similiar to the minotaur ability. It makes it so you can act while flat-footed (or are never flat-footed, I forget, but it amounts to the same thing).
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: BowenSilverclaw February 20, 2009, 04:01:12 PM
WANT! :D

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: PhaedrusXY February 20, 2009, 08:11:12 PM
Wasn't there something quasi-official stating that the only "pocket dimension" type of items that cause problems when combined are Bags of Holding and Portable Holes, because they're specifically stated to? I think this might have been in a FAQ or something. I'm just wondering if it is safe to put my Enveloping Pit inside my Handy Haversack. Or if I'm going to blow a hole in the Iron Tower if I do that (might make a strategy for the Iron Siege thread :D ).
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: Tshern February 20, 2009, 08:15:37 PM
Nothing restricts that, so go ahead.
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: PhaedrusXY February 20, 2009, 09:32:21 PM
Great. :D The item rearrangements mentioned at the top of the page are ok also I guess?

I was just looking at the Tome of Necromancy again and... holy crap I love F&Ks work. :p
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: Irthos Levethix February 20, 2009, 10:25:14 PM
If someone really has a problem with it, I can get rid of some things. We can hopefully craft more stuff for other people once the game gets going also, assuming we get some money.

Not at all, I just didnt think about really using the rules in the MiC like you guys have.

Say, can you make the 10 minute version of the Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis into the all-day version?  Provided the money and XP, and time(for the homunoculus)?
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: Tshern February 21, 2009, 06:49:52 AM
I would really prefer people not dabbling with Tomes anymore, it'd be sort of unfair for those who have no experience or interested in the books...
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: bogsnes February 21, 2009, 07:13:13 AM
I would really prefer people not dabbling with Tomes anymore, it'd be sort of unfair for those who have no experience or interested in the books...

What do you mean with that?
No ToM or ToB?

It is no problem for me cuz I have both :D
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: BowenSilverclaw February 21, 2009, 07:35:25 AM
No, those are fine. He means the Frank Trollman & K Tomes, fanmade works.

I believe that's were Phaedrus' possession PrC is from.
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: Irthos Levethix February 21, 2009, 03:05:19 PM
Its a bit late, but...

Happy Birthday Bogsnes!!

Holy crap, you're only 15!?  *Remembers being a teenager*  Enjoy it while you can.
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: bogsnes February 21, 2009, 04:23:01 PM
Yeah, I am 15...

Also, my birthday was two days ago, but thanks anyways...

Noone else on the boards remembered it (I think)... :D
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: BowenSilverclaw February 21, 2009, 04:38:32 PM
Happy birthday, sorry I'm late :embarrassed
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: PhaedrusXY February 21, 2009, 04:42:31 PM
Yeah, I am 15...

Also, my birthday was two days ago, but thanks anyways...

Noone else on the boards remembered it (I think)... :D
I did. See the birthday thread.  :P

And... I just realized that Gabriel doesn't quite qualify for the Stranger with the Burning Eyes PrC. It requires you to be able to spontaneously cast Magic Jar... I originally had Domain Spontaneity in the build, and now I remember why. So I will drop Extend and Persist and let Bowen take care of those, if he doesn't mind, and will instead pick up Domain Spontaneity and Chain Spell. Then I can hit everyone's weapon with a Greater Magic Weapon at the beginning of the day, and toss out a Chained Greater Dispel Magic occasionally (or something else). I'll have to always keep Tenebrous bound for rebuke undead so I can use Domain Spontaneity to qualify for the PrC until I take the 2nd level of Ur-Priest.

In total, that will be like 8 total uses of your Incantatrix abilities per day (2 cooperative, 2 MM effect, 4 either)... is that ok?
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: bogsnes February 21, 2009, 04:54:10 PM
I did. See the birthday thread.  :P

I saw that :D
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: bogsnes February 21, 2009, 05:03:19 PM
Maybe we should move on?

Since noone is posting?

And also, did I find anything with my search check?
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: BowenSilverclaw February 21, 2009, 05:22:58 PM
Yeah, I am 15...

Also, my birthday was two days ago, but thanks anyways...

Noone else on the boards remembered it (I think)... :D
I did. See the birthday thread.  :P

And... I just realized that Gabriel doesn't quite qualify for the Stranger with the Burning Eyes PrC. It requires you to be able to spontaneously cast Magic Jar... I originally had Domain Spontaneity in the build, and now I remember why. So I will drop Extend and Persist and let Bowen take care of those, if he doesn't mind, and will instead pick up Domain Spontaneity and Chain Spell. Then I can hit everyone's weapon with a Greater Magic Weapon at the beginning of the day, and toss out a Chained Greater Dispel Magic occasionally (or something else). I'll have to always keep Tenebrous bound for rebuke undead so I can use Domain Spontaneity to qualify for the PrC until I take the 2nd level of Ur-Priest.

In total, that will be like 8 total uses of your Incantatrix abilities per day (2 cooperative, 2 MM effect, 4 either)... is that ok?
No problemo :)

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: PhaedrusXY February 21, 2009, 05:43:17 PM
No problemo :)
Awesome. So on top of the other buffs everyone is getting from me, now all of your weapons (up to 20 total for the party) have a +5 enhancement bonus. :D
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: BowenSilverclaw February 21, 2009, 05:52:19 PM
Yay, weapons, my specialty :P

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: PhaedrusXY February 21, 2009, 06:12:34 PM
Yay, weapons, my specialty :P


I can Chain two per day for free, so if you have a better suggestion, lay it on me. :D I was thinking I'd use one for buffing the party, and keep the other for Greater Dispel.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 21, 2009, 06:14:08 PM
Yeah, I was joking (you probably figured that out already :P).

Chained Greater Dispel is definitely worth keeping :D
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: PhaedrusXY February 21, 2009, 07:20:59 PM
Thogg's hit point roll (I had averages down before, decided to roll this crap...): 12d8=52 (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/1948945/)
+132 from Con =184

Temporary hit points: 9d8+30=61 (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/1948947/)

Gabriel's 8d4+3d8+8=47 (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/1948975/)
Max's would be half this, and I guess I wouldn't include any Con bonus or penalty.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 21, 2009, 07:24:30 PM
Nice :D
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: bogsnes February 22, 2009, 06:56:04 AM
Dictum:
Why can you cast 5th level spells with only 4 levels of Cleric?
Is it something with Ardent I have missed (not just a manifester)
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: BowenSilverclaw February 22, 2009, 08:12:15 AM
Doesn't Ardent let you learn powers up to your manifester through some wonky wording? Don't tell me there's a way to apply that to your casting :P
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: Dictum Mortuum February 22, 2009, 09:41:18 AM
Doesn't Ardent let you learn powers up to your manifester through some wonky wording? Don't tell me there's a way to apply that to your casting :P

It's Ardent Dilletante, from planar handbook :D
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: BowenSilverclaw February 22, 2009, 09:46:54 AM
I'll need to check that out some day... *makes note*
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: bogsnes February 22, 2009, 10:37:15 AM
Doesn't Ardent let you learn powers up to your manifester through some wonky wording? Don't tell me there's a way to apply that to your casting :P

It's Ardent Dilletante, from planar handbook :D

"checks PlH". Okay, no problem. It is good, though?

Didn't seem too good to me?

And also, should we move on in the game thread?
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: Dictum Mortuum February 22, 2009, 11:16:06 AM
"checks PlH". Okay, no problem. It is good, though?

Didn't seem too good to me?

And also, should we move on in the game thread?

It's full spells -1, 6+int skill points, all skills are class skills, 3 bonus general feats, scent, lore, blindsense, more abilities ... what more can you ask from a prestige class :P?
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: bogsnes February 22, 2009, 11:18:49 AM
Full casting, free metamagic, can't die functions, the ability to use lots of different spells spontaneously, the ability to change shape into sick things? :P
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: Dictum Mortuum February 22, 2009, 11:25:55 AM
Full casting, free metamagic, can't die functions, the ability to use lots of different spells spontaneously, the ability to change shape into sick things? :P

full casting -> already there
free metamagic -> divine metamagic, just use the 3 extra feats to get it
can't die -> spells
spontaneous spells -> spontaneous domain casting (Baator)
change shape -> transformation domain \m/
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: bogsnes February 22, 2009, 11:43:56 AM
He loses 1 CL (2 later...)

And his name is not Shadowcraft Mage, Incantatrix, Planar Shepherd or Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil... :P
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: Dictum Mortuum February 22, 2009, 12:34:25 PM
He loses 1 CL (2 later...)

And his name is not Shadowcraft Mage, Incantatrix, Planar Shepherd or Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil... :P

You'll understand as you grow up that playing the same character over and over again is not that fun ^-^
And initiate is overrated :p
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: bogsnes February 22, 2009, 12:38:08 PM
He loses 1 CL (2 later...)

And his name is not Shadowcraft Mage, Incantatrix, Planar Shepherd or Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil... :P

And initiate is overrated :p

I thought that, actually...

Didn't seem THAT powerful to me, but it is cool anyways...
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: Irthos Levethix February 22, 2009, 03:58:29 PM
Tshern, how much time has elapsed?  After we rest for 8 hours and prepare spells, will it have been a day, meaning we'd need to rebuff accordingly?  I'm getting my spell slots prepared, when I realized that some of them might not currently be available, and other buffs wouldn't have expired yet.

Also, how do you rule Arcane Thesis?  Does it apply to individual metamagic effects, or is it a -1 spell level overall?
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: BowenSilverclaw February 22, 2009, 04:14:31 PM
I still need to see if I need to swap any spells on my current list of spells. Any thoughts?

@Irthos: According to the errata Arcane Thesis reduces the cost of each metamagic feat you apply by 1, so it's pretty damn good :D
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: Irthos Levethix February 22, 2009, 04:31:53 PM
Wow.  Okay then, that makes me smile.

So, assuming that a day~ has passed and we will prepare spells as normal, here's what I'm looking at.

0th - Mage Hand (Domain), Acid Splash, Electric Jolt, Prestidigitation, Launch Bolt (Could I use a dagger instead of a bolt?  In which case, bogsnes, care to loan me a poisoned dagger, in case I have a chance to use it :devil)

1st - Expeditious Retreat (D), Shield, Snipers Shot, Nerveskitter x2, Benign Transposition, Lesser Orb of Sound, Ray of Clumsiness

2nd - Levitate (D), Swift Fly, Ray of Ice x2, Mirror Image, Resist Energy, Heart of Air

3rd - Haste (D), Greater Mage Armor, Arcane Sight, Icelance x2, Dispel Magic, Heart of Water

4th - Polymorph (D), Greater Invisibility, Assay Spell Resistance, Heart of Earth, Evard's Black Tentacles, Orb of Force

5th - Baleful Polymorph (D), Rary's Telepathic Bond, Reciprocal Gyre, Heart of Fire, Lesser Spell Matrix

6th - Disintegrate (D), Superior Resistance, Ray of Light


Now, I could swap out that Ray of Light for a Split Ray, Empowered Enervation... I'll have to think about it for a bit.  Bowen, I don't know how many uses you have left for the day, but I'd like to Persist Shield, Sniper's Shot, Arcane Sight, and I'd like to Extend Greater Invisibility once we arrive where we are.  Is that doable?
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: BowenSilverclaw February 22, 2009, 04:41:22 PM
Consider it done :)
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: Irthos Levethix February 22, 2009, 04:48:00 PM
Also Bowen, that lets you know how I have my spells.  I picked up Evard's in case I have a good chance to use it, and theres plenty of stuff to feed my sneak attack spells, as well as stun/disable/debuff the enemies in various ways.  I think I'll have Icelance in my spell matrix, so my nuke will be Ray of Light + Icelance, which will pretty much disable 2 people for 1d4 rounds, or uber Enervate and Icelance, screwin over a couple someones.

Oooo... maybe Benign Transposition in the Matrix.... then I could hit someone with the Enervate or w/e and pop Talsor on top of them... tactical repositioning for the win.  I likey..
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: bogsnes February 22, 2009, 04:55:18 PM
I can make a lot of poisoned daggers for you if you need it.
Or crossbow bolts, in that case...

I have like 10500 doses of poison leftover...
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: Irthos Levethix February 22, 2009, 05:02:48 PM
Well, I have absolutely no backup weapon, so a dagger or a bolt or whatever.  I can throw stuff better than I can stab, but it'd be nice to have around.  Especially since Phaedrus can give it a +5 enhancement :D
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: BowenSilverclaw February 22, 2009, 05:10:21 PM
Heh, completely forgot about Spell Matrix :P

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: bogsnes February 22, 2009, 05:11:38 PM
Does anyone else need some poison?

I'll shrink the leftover and throw it on someone when I want to :P

10500 DC 20 Fort saves or take 3d6 Con damage for each fail...
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: BowenSilverclaw February 22, 2009, 05:15:10 PM
Maybe AC wants it for Talsor's glaive?

I guess I could use a few poisoned bolts just in case if you don't mind :)

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: BowenSilverclaw February 22, 2009, 05:16:09 PM
By the way, should have my spell list done by tomorrow.
Sorry for the delay, got some stuff for uni that popped up unexpectedly.

Once I've got that finished, I'm good to go :)
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: bogsnes February 22, 2009, 05:19:59 PM
Well, I have 10560 doses, and will use something like a hundred myself, and shrink some to throw if it gets hard, but the Vials does only take 8000 doses which means that it is 2460 doses left...

I could shrink those too, but I can't prepare one spell more than once per day...

Please tell me if you need poison so I can save something for you... :D

By the way, should have my spell list done by tomorrow.
Sorry for the delay, got some stuff for uni that popped up unexpectedly.

Once I've got that finished, I'm good to go :)

Sounds good...

I think I am ready already (hasn't any spell lists to make)...

And if you need some low level utility that none has in their spell-books, I have one level 3 or lower spell from anywhere in the Sor/Wiz list left...
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: Irthos Levethix February 22, 2009, 05:41:53 PM
Another question:

If I use a standard action to cast, say, Disintegrate, and it gets a Sneak Attack, and then I use Icelance as a swift action, could I also sneak attack with that, given that all the requirements are met?

I know you can't sneak attack twice with the same spell, such as Scorching Ray, but I'm not sure on that.

By the way, my Rary's Telepathic Bond can affect me + 4 others, so we'll need to decide who needs to be in the telepathic circle and who can live without it.  Tactically, I think bogsnes should be in the circle, as well as Bowen so that we can communicate.  Bowen has telepathy as well, so he can relay messages to whoever isn't in the spell itself.  And it'll last for two hours.

(It wasn't actually a persistable spell, we made an oops on that in the last mission :lol)
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: PhaedrusXY February 22, 2009, 05:44:36 PM
Does anyone have Rope Trick?
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: Irthos Levethix February 22, 2009, 05:53:13 PM
No sir, I do not.
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: bogsnes February 22, 2009, 05:55:03 PM
I can perpare it, at CL 11 if that is good enough...

I have access to the whole Sor/Wiz list, of up to third level without a spellbook or anything :D ...

I do only have 4 spells per day, though, but I have one left...
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: BowenSilverclaw February 22, 2009, 06:20:58 PM
Another question:

If I use a standard action to cast, say, Disintegrate, and it gets a Sneak Attack, and then I use Icelance as a swift action, could I also sneak attack with that, given that all the requirements are met?

I know you can't sneak attack twice with the same spell, such as Scorching Ray, but I'm not sure on that.

By the way, my Rary's Telepathic Bond can affect me + 4 others, so we'll need to decide who needs to be in the telepathic circle and who can live without it.  Tactically, I think bogsnes should be in the circle, as well as Bowen so that we can communicate.  Bowen has telepathy as well, so he can relay messages to whoever isn't in the spell itself.  And it'll last for two hours.

(It wasn't actually a persistable spell, we made an oops on that in the last mission :lol)
Not like the last mission lasted that long :P

As for your question, I believe you should get sneak attack with all your attack rolls, just like you would with a full attack, since your entire full round benefits from the surprise/flanking element...

Not 100% sure, but definitely 99% sure...
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: Irthos Levethix February 22, 2009, 06:27:30 PM
Thats what I thought too, I just wanted to double-check.
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: skydragonknight February 22, 2009, 08:44:41 PM
A pity my weapon can't be enchanted (as it's a spell effect), but at least it's a touch attack so not getting the bonus to hit with it isn't a big deal.
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: bogsnes February 23, 2009, 05:20:25 AM
If I am going to scout, I think I'll need telepathy...
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: BowenSilverclaw February 23, 2009, 05:39:14 AM
Sounds like a plan  :)

EDIT: if I'm included in the Bond as well I can relay it to the rest of the group that 'stays behind' and aren't included.
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: Tshern February 23, 2009, 07:15:50 AM
Okay, so another short period of DM inactivity coming. I will move to another place this Friday and I am have shitload of things to arrange before that, so while I will be online from time to time, I won't be as active as usual.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 23, 2009, 07:29:53 AM
Good luck with the new place :)
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: BowenSilverclaw February 24, 2009, 12:07:17 PM
I'll be out of town the next couple of days, so I won't be able to post until friday.
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: SixthDeclension February 24, 2009, 01:42:38 PM
I'll be out of town the next couple of days, so I won't be able to post until friday.
What will our boards degrade to without the grace of BowenSilverclaw shining upon us? Find out next time kids, on The Smurfs!
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: skydragonknight February 24, 2009, 01:54:12 PM
I'll be out of town the next couple of days, so I won't be able to post until friday.
What will our boards degrade to without the grace of BowenSilverclaw shining upon us? Find out next time kids, on The Smurfs!

That's still a close enough approximation to hell in my mind that this game should be unaffected.
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: Tshern February 24, 2009, 09:23:56 PM
Who cares about Bowen when I am away?
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: AfterCrescent February 25, 2009, 02:29:17 PM
Who cares about either of you when I was away. Clearly everyone was missing me, and the game paused because of it. :P

*reads*

Ah, Irthos, do note that I am persisting Invisibility Purge, so make sure to get 60'+ away before extending Greater Invisibility. ;)
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: Tshern February 25, 2009, 05:29:04 PM
By the way, as a positive tidbit, I have pretty much finished my packing. Goddamn I am good.
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: AfterCrescent February 25, 2009, 07:17:47 PM
 :clap Very impressive
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: Tshern February 26, 2009, 08:55:42 AM
I probably should give some credit to one of my best friends who decided not to go to a drinking venture just so he could help me pack. Only clothes, food and hygiene stuff to be packed. And, well, naturally my computer too. Shouldn't be a problem, I've still have all day.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 26, 2009, 09:04:58 AM
I have returned *insert hallelujah music here* :P

Good luck with the move, Tshern :)
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: Tshern February 26, 2009, 10:17:17 AM
More packing to be done... Too much shit, so to say. I just got to packing all the dry food supplies and I even amazed myself, I'd survive in the apartment for, like, a month.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 26, 2009, 10:28:39 AM
Must be that military training :P
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: Tshern February 26, 2009, 06:26:47 PM
As said before, I am spending my last drunken minutes on this goddamn computer and finishing my last beer before the move. Too bad, this place was golden. On the more positive side, only five months to my next move and that will change my life.
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: bogsnes February 27, 2009, 07:47:44 AM
Why are you moving a lot?
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: Irthos Levethix February 27, 2009, 10:29:31 AM
So the cops won't recognize the pattern of bodies he leaves trailing behind him.

Can't make it easy on 'em, ya know.
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: bogsnes February 27, 2009, 02:07:26 PM
So the cops won't recognize the pattern of bodies he leaves trailing behind him.

Can't make it easy on 'em, ya know.

 :lmao
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: BowenSilverclaw February 27, 2009, 02:19:37 PM
What's so funny?
Just be glad he hasn't moved to Norway yet...


'Miika the Axe' *shudders*
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: Irthos Levethix February 27, 2009, 02:48:37 PM
Yeah, bogs acts like I was joking.....

huh.
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: bogsnes February 27, 2009, 02:53:28 PM
Yeah, bogs acts like I was joking.....

huh.

You wasn't?  :lmao
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: skydragonknight February 27, 2009, 02:57:12 PM
Every time you laugh, the police will find one less piece of your corpse.
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: bogsnes February 27, 2009, 02:58:48 PM
What?
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: skydragonknight February 27, 2009, 03:02:48 PM
Just a warning. ;)
Don't worry. You've got at least five months before he becomes your neighbor.
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: Irthos Levethix February 27, 2009, 03:37:09 PM
Well crap, I just laughed hard enough that they'll never find me.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 27, 2009, 03:38:56 PM
Mmh, bogsnes' IP adress can probably be tracked down...

Now bear in mind I'm a nerd and not a computer-nerd, but can an IP adress be linked to a normal adress (as in city, street, house number)?

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: bogsnes February 27, 2009, 03:39:57 PM
Isn'y it just easier to track my normal name from "player" on my myth-weaver's sheets?
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: BowenSilverclaw February 27, 2009, 03:41:04 PM
Dunno how common of a name that is in Norway...
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: bogsnes February 27, 2009, 03:42:23 PM
Oh, I didn't write my last name on the sheet, but "bogsnes" is actually my middle name, so it shouldn't be THAT hard...
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: bogsnes February 27, 2009, 06:57:20 PM
Just so you know: This has actually grown into the 4th biggest thread on the boards :D

+ Tshren are only 16 posts behind Sunic since Sunic hasn't posted on a while :D
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: Tshern February 28, 2009, 08:12:30 AM
Isn'y it just easier to track my normal name from "player" on my myth-weaver's sheets?
I like the challenge.

So I got my stuff here and amazed my sister by being able to stuff around 15 large boxes of shit to this tiny room and its three lockers. On top of that, I got my WLAN working in 30 seconds.
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: bogsnes February 28, 2009, 08:33:10 AM
Wait... I did actually write my whole name on the sheet...

Well, that should make it easier...
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: Tshern February 28, 2009, 08:58:30 AM
It sure would be a long and difficult operation to find out my real name.
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: bogsnes February 28, 2009, 09:17:15 AM
It sure would be a long and difficult operation to find out my real name.

It wasn't THAT difficult...

I won't reveal it to the others, though, so they too can have the fun :P
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: Tshern February 28, 2009, 09:21:01 AM
I don't bother learning real names of people unless I have a more personal contact (IM, for example) with the user in question. Learning handles is enough for me.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 28, 2009, 09:28:51 AM
Same here, and I usually refer to those contacts by their handles anyway, at least on forums...
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: BowenSilverclaw February 28, 2009, 01:23:02 PM
Okay, Morthos is ready for our next mission :)
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: skydragonknight February 28, 2009, 02:36:45 PM
Anyone else doing group buffs? Also, everyone not in the close combat group will be under the effect of a Status spell. I like knowing my allies' position for the purpose of tactical planning.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 28, 2009, 03:23:40 PM
Only group buff at the moment is Haste...
Status is fine with me :)

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: Irthos Levethix February 28, 2009, 05:09:50 PM
I'm gravy with the Status.  I'll have Telepathic Bond up between Bowen, Bogsnes, myself, and two others.  I'll let the non-scout group decide who those two will be.

Bowen, when we arrive, would you mind walking out of the range of AC's Invis Purge with me, so I can be all sneaky for a few minutes while we scout?
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: BowenSilverclaw February 28, 2009, 05:18:25 PM
No prob :)

I should still be within charge range of those guys, so they can come and save my d4-ass if necessary :P

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: PhaedrusXY February 28, 2009, 06:44:18 PM
1000th post. :p

Edit: WTF, is it stuck at 999?
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: BowenSilverclaw February 28, 2009, 06:46:04 PM
Nope, the Playtime area just doesn't count toward your post count :P

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: Tshern February 28, 2009, 06:54:41 PM
Okay, I might be able to kick this off tomorrow. If not, then on Monday.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 28, 2009, 07:05:06 PM
I'll be somewhat slow this next week with posting due to the fact I need to cram about 600 pages of medieval philosophy into my head before friday, but I'll post at least every 2 days.

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: skydragonknight February 28, 2009, 07:20:14 PM
I'll be somewhat slow this next week with posting due to the fact I need to cram about 600 pages of medieval philosophy into my head before friday, but I'll post at least every 2 days.

Just remember: the people who are wrong have their heads cut off and the people who are right cut off other people's heads.
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: BowenSilverclaw February 28, 2009, 07:22:29 PM
Haha, I'll keep that in mind, thanks :D
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: Tshern March 01, 2009, 08:19:49 AM
I'll be somewhat slow this next week with posting due to the fact I need to cram about 600 pages of medieval philosophy into my head before friday, but I'll post at least every 2 days.

Just remember: the people who are wrong have their heads cut off and the people who are right cut off other people's heads.
You do know that the headcutters usually were some sort of disgusting outcasts?
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: skydragonknight March 01, 2009, 01:34:00 PM
Oh I know. But history sides with the winners and people who lose their heads are not winners.
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: Tshern March 01, 2009, 02:12:44 PM
It has been confirmed, the start will be tomorrow.
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: bogsnes March 02, 2009, 02:34:22 PM
Tshren does now actually have most posts on the boards since Sunic_Flames hasn't been here for about three weeks  :clap
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: Tshern March 02, 2009, 02:38:21 PM
I feel myself so important.
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: bogsnes March 02, 2009, 02:41:59 PM
Fu for feeling important to you :P

Now we have to make this the biggest thread on the boards :P

2000 replies...
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: Irthos Levethix March 02, 2009, 02:46:26 PM
When are we gonna start making the game thread longer?
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: BowenSilverclaw March 02, 2009, 03:06:55 PM
Tomorrow :)
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: bogsnes March 02, 2009, 03:07:32 PM
Nice :D
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: PhaedrusXY March 02, 2009, 03:11:36 PM
Tomorrow :)

I thought it was already tommorrow, since Tshern had posted that. :p
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: BowenSilverclaw March 02, 2009, 03:54:37 PM
My bad...

Bit tired :P

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: Tshern March 02, 2009, 06:37:59 PM
Okay, so I got 16 beers, so I'll post tomorrow. --> Drunk.
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: BowenSilverclaw March 02, 2009, 06:52:45 PM
Guess I wasn't that wrong after all :P
: Re: OOC banter
: Tshern March 03, 2009, 06:07:34 AM
It's still Monday somewhere.
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: PhaedrusXY March 03, 2009, 04:03:46 PM
So... how crazy do you guys think Chaining Shield Other onto the entire party, so Thogg takes half their damage, would be? :D It should mostly be subdual, which he'll heal at 10 per round (9 regen +1 fast healing). Or should I save my other use of Vestige Metamagic for a Chained Greater Dispel on the enemies, as discussed?
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: BowenSilverclaw March 03, 2009, 04:18:39 PM
I say go with the latter. If it turns out we get beatsticks as enemies without any nasty buffs, you can always use the Shield Other combo.

For now I'd stick with Dispel though just to be on the safe side :)

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: Tshern March 03, 2009, 05:31:55 PM
: Regeneration in SRD
A creature with regeneration treats all damage as nonlethal, except for specific types of damage, given in the creature’s description, that affect it normally (such as a troll’s vulnerability to acid and fire). A creature with regeneration can remove 1 nonlethal hit per round per 5 points of regeneration (minimum 1 hit).
Just sayin'...
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: BowenSilverclaw March 03, 2009, 05:37:42 PM
Wow, never noticed that before...
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: PhaedrusXY March 03, 2009, 05:39:29 PM
: Regeneration in SRD
A creature with regeneration treats all damage as nonlethal, except for specific types of damage, given in the creature’s description, that affect it normally (such as a troll’s vulnerability to acid and fire). A creature with regeneration can remove 1 nonlethal hit per round per 5 points of regeneration (minimum 1 hit).
Just sayin'...
Where is that from?  ??? I thought the number given was how much they heal every round...
: Regeneration in SRD
Regeneration

Creatures with this extraordinary ability recover from wounds quickly and can even regrow or reattach severed body parts. Damage dealt to the creature is treated as nonlethal damage, and the creature automatically cures itself of nonlethal damage at a fixed rate per round, as given in the creature’s entry.
That's under Regeneration in Special Abilities.


Something else I was wondering about, but forgot to ask: How do Temporary hit points interact with regeneration? If he gets hit with non-acid damage, does it take off from his temporary hit points? Do they regenerate?

Also, I added a bit to my in-game post.
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: Tshern March 03, 2009, 05:46:03 PM
They don't. And I found that buy just putting 'Regeneration' to SRD's search field.
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: PhaedrusXY March 03, 2009, 05:47:27 PM
They don't. And I found that buy just putting 'Regeneration' to SRD's search field.
So you mean that if he gets hit with non-acid, it will first take off from his temporary hit points. Those won't be regenerated. Then after it whittles through those, it will do non-lethal damage. Right?
They don't. And I found that buy just putting 'Regeneration' to SRD's search field.
That's under the variant rules. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/injury.htm

What I quoted is under the normal rules.
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: skydragonknight March 03, 2009, 05:51:01 PM
Something else I was wondering about, but forgot to ask: How do Temporary hit points interact with regeneration? If he gets hit with non-acid damage, does it take off from his temporary hit points? Do they regenerate?

Nonlethal damage is never subtracted from your actual hit point total. It's just a value tracked separately from hit points you compare to your current hit points(including temporary) to see if you're unconscious or staggered. It would take lethal damage to remove temporary hit points.
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: Tshern March 04, 2009, 06:52:09 AM
Thanks for the clarification, that is the way we use them too then.
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: BowenSilverclaw March 04, 2009, 11:59:14 AM
Don't expect much from me during this next encounter, my computer officially died, so I'm restricted to uni for any computer stuff whatsoever...

Sonuvabitch *loads-and-loads-of-swearing*
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: Tshern March 04, 2009, 12:06:23 PM
I'll take the plans for my ultimate Incantatrix killer encounter off the table for now then. Good luck with the computer, give it some hate on my behalf as well.
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: Dictum Mortuum March 04, 2009, 12:38:48 PM
I'm quite swamped, but good news: exams end on Saturday.
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: skydragonknight March 04, 2009, 02:09:03 PM
Unrelated: Tshern's turn in AC's CO game.
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: PhaedrusXY March 04, 2009, 03:55:23 PM
So who am I casting Eyes of the Avoral on (+8 to Spot)?
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: Tshern March 04, 2009, 09:55:18 PM
Unrelated: Tshern's turn in AC's CO game.
Son of a... I'll get to that tomorrow.
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: skydragonknight March 05, 2009, 01:20:06 AM
Unrelated: Tshern's turn in AC's CO game.
Son of a... I'll get to that tomorrow.

Sure no problem. Easy to forget the small stuff when you're moving.
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: BowenSilverclaw March 05, 2009, 04:38:24 AM
I should be back with a new PC by wednesday.
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: BowenSilverclaw March 09, 2009, 02:49:41 PM
Honey, I'm home! :D
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: bogsnes March 10, 2009, 07:50:51 AM
I am thinking of dipping 1 level of Exemplar later, so can I use a SF from some magical location to qualify?

EDIT: And Tshren, it looks like you are on-logged twice...
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: Tshern March 10, 2009, 08:13:15 AM
Yes, yes you can assuming it is of permanent duration.

That's the fault of the board, I haven't logged myself in for weeks.
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: bogsnes March 10, 2009, 08:24:38 AM
Cool...

I think I'll waot with the Exemplar level until I am finished with MT, though I am not sure...

Does headbands of Int give extra skills mastered?
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: BowenSilverclaw March 10, 2009, 08:28:02 AM
Nope, an Enhancement bonus to Int doesn't do anything for your skill points etc.
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: bogsnes March 10, 2009, 08:29:07 AM
Ok...
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: Dictum Mortuum March 11, 2009, 11:21:54 AM
Woohoo I'm back :D
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: BowenSilverclaw March 11, 2009, 12:31:51 PM
Welcome back :)
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: PhaedrusXY March 15, 2009, 04:26:03 AM
I just found a nice feat for one of us to take. It's in Exemplars of Evil.
[spoiler]
FELL CONSPIRACY [CEREMONY]
You forge a connection with a target to ease communications
and to keep you apprised of developments in the field.
Prerequisites: Wis 13, Knowledge (religion) 4 ranks.
Benefi t: You gain access to ceremonies based on your
ranks in Knowledge (religion). These ceremonies forge a link
between participants who work toward a common cause.
During each ceremony, all participants huddle together and
speak in hushed tones, conveying the dark purpose of the
conspiracy. Each ceremony takes 20 minutes, and its effects
last for 24 hours.
Common Cause (4 ranks): You confi de in each ally, whispering
your plans into his ear. Once you have fi nished, you nick
each other’s ears with a sharp blade (no damage). Henceforth,
each participant can cast the message spell at will at your
caster level.
This ceremony requires a masterwork dagger.
Conspiratorial Bond (8 ranks): You concoct a paste of potent
herbs and apply it to the eyes and ears of all participants,
including yourself. While doing so, you intone a resonating,
rhythmic incantation. All participants gain a +2 bonus on
Listen checks and Spot checks for every other participant
in range. In addition, all participants within 100 feet can
communicate telepathically.

This ceremony requires rare herbs worth 50 gp.
Inviolate Link (12 ranks): Using a concoction of blood and
hair from each participant mixed with rare herbs and diamond
dust, you paint an eye onto the forehead of each ally.
As long as they remain within 100 feet of you, none of you
can be caught flat-footed unless all of you are, and none of
you can be flanked unless all of you are.

This ceremony requires a bit of blood and hair from each
participant, rare herbs worth 50 gp, and diamond dust worth
100 gp.
[/spoiler]With my Legacy item and this feat, as long as we were all within 100 feet, no one would ever be caught flat-footed.

This one would be nice, too.
[spoiler]
DIVINE DENIAL
You harden your will against the power of the deities.
Prerequisites: Knowledge (religion) 9 ranks, Iron Will.
Benefit: Whenever you are the target of a divine spell, you
gain a +2 bonus on saving throws to resist the spell. If the
spell does not allow a saving throw, you can make a Will save
against the spell’s DC as if it allowed a save.
If you succeed,
you negate the effect of the spell.[/spoiler]It would make a nice defense against all those Holy Word variants.

And Uncanny Forethought from that book is crazy good for our arcane casters. It requires Spell Mastery as a prereq, though.
[spoiler]UNCANNY FORETHOUGHT
You cunningly prepare your spells for any exigency.
Prerequisites: Int 17, Spell Mastery.
Benefi t: When preparing your daily allotment of spells,
you can reserve a number of spell slots equal to your Intelligence
modifi er. As a standard action, you can use one of these
slots to cast a spell that you selected for the Spell Mastery feat.
The level of the slot used must be equal to or greater than the
level of the spell you intend to cast.
Alternatively, as a full-round action, you can use a
reserved slot to cast any spell that you know
. The spell is
resolved as normal, but for the purpose of the spell, your
caster level is reduced by two. The level of the slot used
must be equal to or greater than the level of the spell you
intend to cast.[/spoiler]
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: BowenSilverclaw March 15, 2009, 08:22:57 AM
Okay, I really need to save up some money for some Magical Location feats to retrain :P
: Re: OOC banter
: PhaedrusXY March 15, 2009, 03:01:22 PM
Wow... I'm glad I updated my character post to have my complete character instead of just a stat block. Mythweavers is down or something.
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: Irthos Levethix March 15, 2009, 03:40:57 PM
Um... not good?

Are you getting a username/password prompt before mythweavers even loads?
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: BowenSilverclaw March 15, 2009, 03:43:33 PM
You mean that small window asking for username/password if you type in the address in your browser bar? Yeah, I get that as well.

According to J0lt they're down till wednesday.


Hope everything is okay after that, I got a lot of sheets stored over there...
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: skydragonknight March 15, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
Randomness: My avatar is awesome.
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw March 15, 2009, 06:26:56 PM
Not bad I guess...



:P
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: Tshern March 15, 2009, 06:54:04 PM
My signature's new, hopefully long-lasting quote is even better.
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: BowenSilverclaw March 15, 2009, 06:58:14 PM
Got a translation for those of us who don't speak Finnish?
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: Tshern March 15, 2009, 07:20:48 PM
A quickie:

"Did I build on you in vain and will I be disappointed?
I am looking for a book I can trust, in which our story is told.
The nuances of the altar painting we tried to capture so carefully
Fade away and this play too will end in sufferings"
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: Tshern March 16, 2009, 02:29:22 PM
I will be online this week, but the amount of time spent here might reduce quite rapidly. There's a huge epidemic of stomach flu raging about the place I used to work at and they called me in to do some extra shifts of, well, anything I can help with, which is quite a lot. Anyway, I am technically allowed to do as much work as I want until next Friday and at that point the future will be determined. In short, I am pushing through a number of 12-hour shifts, 3 behind, 4 to come.
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: Irthos Levethix March 16, 2009, 02:35:14 PM
Dang Tshern, lots of work ahead of ya. 

Out of curiousity, are we going to keep the game going with Mythweavers down?  I know my character sheet is on there, but I have alot of it memorized.  Or are you even gonna have time for it?
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: Tshern March 16, 2009, 02:36:45 PM
I'll have time for running the game, but it's sort of hard if exact numbers for several things are missing. Ideas for a solution?
: Re: OOC banter
: BowenSilverclaw March 16, 2009, 02:38:57 PM
Wait til it's back up I guess. Should be wednesday or thursday from what I've heard...

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: skydragonknight March 16, 2009, 02:45:44 PM
So you're walking into ground zero of a flu epidemic?

Recommendation: buy a pair of gloves and don't touch freaking anything you don't have to with your bare hands. Don't lose your cash cow at the end of the first week when you can milk it for two weeks.
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: Tshern March 16, 2009, 03:49:39 PM
So you're walking into ground zero of a flu epidemic?

Recommendation: buy a pair of gloves and don't touch freaking anything you don't have to with your bare hands. Don't lose your cash cow at the end of the first week when you can milk it for two weeks.
Buy? Bullshit, I take as many as I want from the maintenance. They've had a similar epidemic twice, last year and in 2006, and I worked there at both times. Never got anything but a bucketful of money. It pays to be careful since I make a good amount of money every day.
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: PhaedrusXY March 16, 2009, 03:52:12 PM
So you're walking into ground zero of a flu epidemic?

Recommendation: buy a pair of gloves and don't touch freaking anything you don't have to with your bare hands. Don't lose your cash cow at the end of the first week when you can milk it for two weeks.
Buy? Bullshit, I take as many as I want from the maintenance. They've had a similar epidemic twice, last year and in 2006, and I worked there at both times. Never got anything but a bucketful of money. It pays to be careful since I make a good amount of money every day.
Did you get the flu vaccine?
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: Tshern March 16, 2009, 04:20:55 PM
No, it's just my immune system.
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: PhaedrusXY March 16, 2009, 04:28:23 PM
No, it's just my immune system. all the alcohol that's perpetually in my system, acting as an antiseptic.
The truth.
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: BowenSilverclaw March 16, 2009, 04:31:01 PM
No, it's just my immune system. all the alcohol that's perpetually in my system, acting as an antiseptic.
The truth.
Why am I suddenly picturing Tshern looking like Lemmy? :P

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: PhaedrusXY March 16, 2009, 05:01:29 PM
No, it's just my immune system. all the alcohol that's perpetually in my system, acting as an antiseptic.
The truth.
Why am I suddenly picturing Tshern looking like Lemmy? :P


Yeah, that's about how I imagine him, too. But younger.
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: Tshern March 16, 2009, 06:09:21 PM
I get hardly any beard/mustache, I don't have those repulsive moles and so far I believe I have not been caught fucking a man. But all in due time, I suppose.
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: PhaedrusXY March 16, 2009, 06:10:11 PM
and so far I believe I have not been caught fucking a man.
That you can remember.
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: BowenSilverclaw March 16, 2009, 06:31:44 PM
and so far I believe I have not been caught fucking a man
Now you're confused with George Michael :P
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: Tshern March 16, 2009, 06:40:21 PM
It was in Lemmy's autobiography...
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: BowenSilverclaw March 16, 2009, 06:44:12 PM
Never got around to reading that.
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: Tshern March 16, 2009, 06:52:57 PM
Nor did I, my friend did. At the time I was too busy reading about Stalin's life before the revolution.
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: Irthos Levethix March 17, 2009, 01:31:29 PM
Mythweavers is back up!  No data loss on my end.
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: BowenSilverclaw March 17, 2009, 01:43:55 PM
Yay, looks like all my stuff is fine as well :)
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: PhaedrusXY March 17, 2009, 02:04:21 PM
Let's go kill some fools, then. :D

Does anyone remember... were we supposed to destroy the bridge, or just capture it? It would kind of suck to blow it up, then find out we weren't supposed to...  :lol
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: Irthos Levethix March 17, 2009, 02:12:59 PM
Capture and hold position until reinforcements arrive.  Please don't blow it up..... I think the Dark Ministry would probably blow us up then.
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: BowenSilverclaw March 17, 2009, 02:20:39 PM
Let's rock :D

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: Tshern March 19, 2009, 06:16:08 AM
Okay, I was forced to hold back at work and they told me too keep this day off... until just 15 minutes ago when they told I had to take an evening shift.
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: PhaedrusXY March 19, 2009, 01:23:28 PM
Okay, I was forced to hold back at work and they told me too keep this day off... until just 15 minutes ago when they told I had to take an evening shift.
Man... your workplace sounds like a pain in the ass.
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: Tshern March 19, 2009, 06:24:30 PM
It's not even my workplace really, I am unemployed, you see. They just call me in whenever they need and I get to decide whether or not I bother, but I do need the money. On the bright side, I just managed to get myself an 11 hour shift for Sunday. That's over 250 euros.
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: PhaedrusXY March 19, 2009, 06:36:25 PM
Ah. Well, I guess it's a good thing that everyone else is sick, then. :D
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: skydragonknight March 26, 2009, 12:19:58 AM
Sorry Phaedrus. Jarkar's soul is staying in his body.
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: PhaedrusXY March 26, 2009, 01:03:11 AM
Sorry Phaedrus. Jarkar's soul is staying in his body.
:lmao Well... even if I possessed him, it would still stay in his body. It just wouldn't be in control of his body while he was possessed by Gabriel. :D Gabriel don't need no stinkin' magic jar to use Magic Jar. :P
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: AfterCrescent March 26, 2009, 09:13:52 PM
If the Imp says no, I nominate Bowen's Item Familiar...
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: BowenSilverclaw March 27, 2009, 02:59:05 AM
If that's possible, it's fine with me :)

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: AfterCrescent March 27, 2009, 07:22:29 AM
Item Familiars are intelligent items and thus are constructs. Constructs are creatures and thus viable targets for Magic Jar. ;)
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: BowenSilverclaw March 27, 2009, 07:23:13 AM
Sounds fine with me, as long as it's okay with Tshern and Phaedrus as well :)
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: PhaedrusXY March 27, 2009, 02:23:41 PM
Fine with me. Makes me think I should probably get one of those... Heck, I should just turn my Necklace into one.  :lol
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: Irthos Levethix March 28, 2009, 05:37:30 PM
So.... um... whats the hold up now?
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: BowenSilverclaw March 28, 2009, 05:49:59 PM
I'm waiting for the scouts' actions, seeing as I'll stay back a bit with AC, Phaedrus and SDK.
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: AfterCrescent March 28, 2009, 06:13:06 PM
Yup, the tanks are staying put while the scouts do their thing atleast 70' away from Talsor.
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: Tshern March 28, 2009, 06:50:27 PM
I am waiting for you to act. If shit does start happening, Lucifer hunts you down.
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: PhaedrusXY March 28, 2009, 06:57:31 PM
I am waiting for you to act. If shit does start happening, Lucifer hunts you down.
:lmao

I was waiting for Bowen to invite me to possess his item familiar "in game". Then we can go on our merry way, as far as I'm concerned. :D

And just how fucked up is it that one character is "possessing" the intelligent tooth of another character?  :lol
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: BowenSilverclaw March 28, 2009, 06:58:38 PM
It's fucking awesome :)

Also, I was kinda waiting for you to ask in game, possessing my tooth isn't something I'd think of offering myself :P

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: PhaedrusXY March 28, 2009, 07:02:37 PM
It's fucking awesome :)

Also, I was kinda waiting for you to ask in game, possessing my tooth isn't something I'd think of offering myself :P


Gabriel doesn't even know your tooth is sentient.  :lol  :lmao Your character is also a lot smarter than Gabriel. He'd be more likely to come up with it, I think.
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: BowenSilverclaw March 28, 2009, 07:04:10 PM
Very well...

This should be hilarious/strange for the rest of the guys to hear in game :P
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: Tshern March 28, 2009, 07:47:38 PM
I don't care who possesses who nor does Lucifer. So...
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: Dictum Mortuum March 29, 2009, 12:55:34 PM
I'm alive :D
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: BowenSilverclaw March 29, 2009, 12:59:18 PM
Welcome back :)
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: skydragonknight March 29, 2009, 05:11:49 PM
I'm alive :D

Good. Now read up on the last few pages of game and OOC. You missed something epic.
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: BowenSilverclaw March 29, 2009, 06:24:49 PM
Added a section to my character sheet with ideas for equipment ;)
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: Dictum Mortuum March 29, 2009, 08:22:19 PM
I'm alive :D

Good. Now read up on the last few pages of game and OOC. You missed something epic.

I actually read a few pages. Was that about the possession thing :p?
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: BowenSilverclaw March 30, 2009, 04:37:57 AM
:D
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: Irthos Levethix April 02, 2009, 06:53:56 PM
Did everyone die?
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: Tshern April 02, 2009, 07:58:17 PM
Yeah. All of you.

Too drunk now, will post tomorrow.
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: bogsnes April 03, 2009, 08:01:56 AM
Did everyone die?

What are you talking about?

April's fool from Tshren?

Or waht?
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: Tshern April 03, 2009, 08:01:23 PM
So this is going to be closed for the weekend. Or, not closed, but I won't be here.
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: PhaedrusXY April 03, 2009, 08:48:29 PM
Ok, have a good weekend.
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: BowenSilverclaw April 04, 2009, 07:59:05 AM
Have fun.
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: Tshern April 07, 2009, 06:52:12 AM
I have returned.
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: BowenSilverclaw April 07, 2009, 07:53:55 AM
*insert ominous latin chanting here*
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: BowenSilverclaw April 08, 2009, 11:10:35 AM
And a happy birthday to Irthos :)
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: bogsnes April 08, 2009, 11:56:43 AM
from me too  :)
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: Irthos Levethix April 08, 2009, 03:22:08 PM
Thanks guys!
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: PhaedrusXY April 08, 2009, 03:24:53 PM
Yeah, happy B-day.

Now what are we going to do next in-game? It seems we found some "bad" guys. :D

How the heck do we tell which side the devils are on, anyway?
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: Irthos Levethix April 08, 2009, 03:33:49 PM
At this point, I figure its almost like a first person shooter; if it moves, it dies.
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: Tshern April 08, 2009, 04:25:27 PM
B-day, have a nice one!
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: BowenSilverclaw April 08, 2009, 04:36:43 PM
Think I should try to contact them via Telepathy to get some more info from them while staying invisible or would that be too risky?
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: PhaedrusXY April 08, 2009, 04:38:25 PM
Think I should try to contact them via Telepathy to get some more info from them while staying invisible or would that be too risky?
Let me ready an action to get Thogg out of the pit before you do that, m'kay? I think that will be rather like hitting the hornets nest with a stick. ;)
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: BowenSilverclaw April 08, 2009, 04:52:20 PM
Ok, will just wait what the rest has to say about this, and then I'll post my actions tomorrow night after my exam :)
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: AfterCrescent April 09, 2009, 12:53:43 AM
As long as I'm ready so I can charge and kill something. I'm good. :D
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: Irthos Levethix April 09, 2009, 02:49:16 AM
I'm thinking I can sneak up there and start blowing people up, and right about the time you guys see Hell break loose (thats punny here) you could be there in a full run action, with Haste.
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: AfterCrescent April 13, 2009, 01:10:07 AM
So let's all thank SDK. Do it. Right now.

Okay, so I don't know how I never noticed this before... SDK and I were discussing which elements we were immune to, so I decided to open the FC2 and make sure that having the Baatezu gave me fire immunity... And apparently it also gives me telepathy 100'... So yeah, I do that, too. :P
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: PhaedrusXY April 14, 2009, 01:05:27 AM
I'll be out of town for the next three days, and will not be able to post much.
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: Dictum Mortuum April 14, 2009, 12:01:43 PM
I'm on vacation, too. Will find some time though.
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: Tshern April 14, 2009, 12:09:03 PM
No problem really. As you probably knew, I am unemployed at the moment, but I just got a sudden influx of extra hours. I mean a lot of them. So I'll be at work for the next few days, so posting and making the map will be delayed. Shouldn't be a problem to post it by the end of the week though, you all hang in there!
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: Irthos Levethix April 19, 2009, 12:28:18 AM
Hello?
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: Dictum Mortuum April 19, 2009, 06:15:12 AM
Hello?

I'm here.
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: BowenSilverclaw April 19, 2009, 06:20:26 AM
Still around.
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: PhaedrusXY April 19, 2009, 01:29:38 PM
I think Tshern has just been really busy with work.
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: AfterCrescent April 19, 2009, 01:30:38 PM
Yeah, work and booze make it a bit harder to make a map. I'm sure he's working on it though. ;)
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: skydragonknight April 19, 2009, 06:45:11 PM
I would actually be amused to see a map drawn by Tshern when he's really drunk. At least until I realized how much that map somehow managed to screw me over.
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: Tshern April 20, 2009, 05:23:56 PM
On Wednesday a map will appear as well as some more information. Sorry about the hiatus.
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: Tshern April 20, 2009, 05:24:46 PM
I would actually be amused to see a map drawn by Tshern when he's really drunk. At least until I realized how much that map somehow managed to screw me over.
They are exactly the same as the ones I draw when I am sober, I just make them faster.
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: AfterCrescent April 20, 2009, 08:55:20 PM
Why bother making any while sober then?
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: Tshern April 21, 2009, 07:44:35 AM
When I am drunk I hardly ever have time to do anything but drink more.
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: AfterCrescent April 21, 2009, 07:05:33 PM
Don't you get better at multitasking the more you drink?
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: Tshern April 22, 2009, 05:32:06 PM
FUUUCK! More work tomorrow morning, I have to be at my work place in seven hours or so and it's late here. I will give the map tomorrow after work...
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: BowenSilverclaw April 22, 2009, 05:53:47 PM
It's cool, don't sweat it :)
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: Tshern April 23, 2009, 05:11:27 PM
14 hours of work rewarded with an early morning tomorrow?! Fuck the money!
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: Dictum Mortuum April 25, 2009, 04:09:33 PM
Don't worry, i am working like crazy, too -_-
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: AfterCrescent April 28, 2009, 08:22:21 PM
Yay for jobs.......
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: Irthos Levethix May 02, 2009, 03:06:54 PM
So, how is everyone?  Doing well, I hope.  Workin your butts off?  Aye, me too.

I'm having a conversation with myself.
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: BowenSilverclaw May 04, 2009, 08:24:07 AM
Back, had some hardware problems. Should be able to at least post on weekdays again.
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: Irthos Levethix May 04, 2009, 11:13:21 AM
Welcome back!   Now if we could just get Tshern to post again, we can get rolling!
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: AfterCrescent May 06, 2009, 01:43:26 AM
Bribe him with the Finnish drink.
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: Tshern May 06, 2009, 07:46:59 PM
Koskenkorva? God, I have like two or three bottles of it already. And Finlandia vodka, a few differend whiskey brands and whatnot.
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: AfterCrescent May 06, 2009, 08:56:40 PM
Woooooo! Update. *kicks Irthos* Let's go.
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: Tshern May 07, 2009, 05:26:13 PM
As a random thought: I am surprised you people are still in the game. Most PbPs don't last too long.
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: AfterCrescent May 08, 2009, 04:03:29 AM
Sad but true. Glad this game is still going. :D
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: Irthos Levethix May 08, 2009, 04:46:12 AM
Its been so long since the last encounter, I'm nervous about just 'porting to one of those booths.  I keep expecting it to go boom.
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: BowenSilverclaw May 08, 2009, 08:23:59 AM
Yeah, I'm glad this is still going as well. My posting is a bit sporadic at the moment, but should be back to normal frequency again at the end of next week :)
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: Irthos Levethix May 09, 2009, 05:31:31 PM
Any suggestions on how to move up there?  I'm debating between just 'porting up and hoping they don't have an area effect dimensional anchor, or anticipate teleportation, or going invis and sneaking up.  Its Gr Invis tho, so rounds/lvl.
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: BowenSilverclaw May 09, 2009, 05:33:16 PM
Depends on your speed I guess. If you can get there with a (flying) run action within a round or 2-3 you should have enough time left for some Spot and Search and then getting out...

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: skydragonknight May 09, 2009, 08:00:14 PM
Any suggestions on how to move up there?  I'm debating between just 'porting up and hoping they don't have an area effect dimensional anchor, or anticipate teleportation, or going invis and sneaking up.  Its Gr Invis tho, so rounds/lvl.

Strictly by actions, teleporting shorts you one standard action on the potential surprise round(since you used it to teleport) while stealth allows you a more effective surprise round.
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: PhaedrusXY May 09, 2009, 08:15:11 PM
Wouldn't the Teleport happen before combat starts? It's an out of combat action. The surprize round would occur after the Teleport, if combat breaks out. I could see it going either way, though, especially if you Teleported with the express purpose of initiating an attack. :p
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: AfterCrescent May 09, 2009, 08:25:57 PM
I'm with Phae, you teleport, as soon as you arrive, assuming they can detect you, your surprise round would trigger.
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: skydragonknight May 09, 2009, 08:52:17 PM
Yeah, I saw both possibilities and just assumed Tshern would rule against you. :P
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: Irthos Levethix May 10, 2009, 04:22:08 PM
Ready to rock?
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: PhaedrusXY May 10, 2009, 04:24:15 PM
Hellz yeah. Just let me get my troll out...  :D
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: BowenSilverclaw May 10, 2009, 04:31:47 PM
*starts up music to get in the mood*

Bring on the PAIIIIIIIIIN!!!!!


:D
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: Irthos Levethix May 10, 2009, 04:46:49 PM
Edited my post a bit.
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: BowenSilverclaw May 10, 2009, 05:04:18 PM
So, did we have any particular tactics planned for this?


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: AfterCrescent May 10, 2009, 05:08:09 PM
I plan on charging and killing someone. Then, assuming there is someone left alive, charging again. If at any point someone is in my range and I have already charged, I lock-down.  If someone has a preference on who I charge, feel free to point. ;)
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: skydragonknight May 10, 2009, 05:14:15 PM
So, did we have any particular tactics planned for this?

Kill them as fast as possible?
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: Irthos Levethix May 10, 2009, 05:14:34 PM
Well, thing is, you're 300 feet away.  You guys gonna run up there and distract them from me, or do I start shooting and hope you get there before they find me?
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: AfterCrescent May 10, 2009, 05:24:00 PM
we can start running and then when we're close you start shooting, like a pincer trap
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: BowenSilverclaw May 10, 2009, 05:31:00 PM
Sounds like a plan.

With a Run action I can get 280ft. covered in one round :)
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: Irthos Levethix May 10, 2009, 05:36:35 PM
Let it be known, i warned you guys about the Hamatula that died from a death effect.  He's just this side of the barrier, if i read it correctly.  (Although I think its in front of a different one than the one i'm hiding behind.)
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: skydragonknight May 10, 2009, 05:37:39 PM
I could use a speed boost, if someone has such a spell ready. I can only cover 160 ft on a run and I'd rather cover more ground in that time.
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: PhaedrusXY May 10, 2009, 05:40:24 PM
I can hook you up with an Expeditious Retreat (or Expeditious Charge, in this case). :p

Edit: Oops... personal range. Want to ride on Thogg's back?  :lmao His movemen is 70, so with a run he can probably get close enough for you to jump off and charge. :D He'll have to get out of the Pit first, though, which will eat his first round of movement itself.
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: BowenSilverclaw May 10, 2009, 05:46:46 PM
(Extended) Haste?

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: Irthos Levethix May 10, 2009, 05:47:46 PM
Bowen has a haste prepared.  Your local wizard, saving you from embarrassment since 2003.

ninja'ed by Bowen himself.  Fuckin Celerity wizards.
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: BowenSilverclaw May 10, 2009, 05:48:01 PM
:D
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: skydragonknight May 10, 2009, 05:55:07 PM
Excellent. Just finished my Prep round. Bowen is classified as being in the melee group because he's just awesome like that.
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: BowenSilverclaw May 10, 2009, 05:59:34 PM
Excellent. Just finished my Prep round. Bowen is classified as being in the melee group because he's just awesome like that.

Thanks :)
Just sticking close to my meatshields ;)
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: AfterCrescent May 10, 2009, 06:32:15 PM
Appreciate the haste, Bowen.

I keep forgetting I have animate dead 1/day, so i can make us a skeleton out of a nearby dead body, if there happens to be one. Just to make it another target for them to choose from.
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: skydragonknight May 10, 2009, 07:02:03 PM
Damn your 60ft radius AC, I think thats right at my range for all my rays.

You're tied with AC for Initiative; just take your actions before him so you don't compromise each others' actions.
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: bogsnes May 11, 2009, 10:42:18 AM
I can be glad that my rolls here has been better than in apex in the circle...

Best init ftw :D
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: skydragonknight May 12, 2009, 02:43:42 AM
And Tshern, you're being resummoned to AC's game when you get the time. It involved bringing pain and misery to AC's NPCs, if that'll interest you any.
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: Irthos Levethix May 15, 2009, 06:02:09 PM
For those of you following the A is for Albequeheyhey game, I am truly sorry.
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: BowenSilverclaw May 15, 2009, 06:32:10 PM
:lmao
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: AfterCrescent May 16, 2009, 02:30:37 AM
You are not forgiven. :P
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: skydragonknight May 16, 2009, 04:09:44 AM
For those of you following the A is for Albequeheyhey game, I am truly sorry.

As punishment, your character goes straight to Hell.

...okay, now that that's over with, let's get this party started!
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: Dictum Mortuum May 19, 2009, 07:40:57 AM
I read the posts. Do i roll for initiative? :p
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: Tshern May 19, 2009, 08:20:11 AM
Please do!

And the ball is in your hands people.
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: PhaedrusXY May 19, 2009, 06:15:29 PM
Bogsnes is up.

Here is the initiative order: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=638.msg145811#msg145811

I take it the plan is for Bowen to drop some kind of area spell, and then the rest of us charge. So Bogs might want to delay a bit (Bowen is 2nd in initiative).
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: BowenSilverclaw May 19, 2009, 07:16:31 PM
That was my basic idea as well :)

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: AfterCrescent May 19, 2009, 08:57:27 PM
Simple plans are usually the best... And usually fail first. ;) Let's do it.
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: Irthos Levethix May 19, 2009, 09:08:03 PM
AC, is your movement still the same with Bowen's haste?
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: AfterCrescent May 19, 2009, 09:13:37 PM
No, it's 60'/move action. Hence I either moved 60' with one action, if limited, or kept up with Bowen at 90' if I was allowed a full round of movement.
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: BowenSilverclaw May 20, 2009, 06:06:21 AM
I'm fast :D *does a happy dance*

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: bogsnes May 20, 2009, 08:49:28 AM
I'll delay, then...
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: BowenSilverclaw May 20, 2009, 08:50:26 AM
I got a dentist appointment in about 30 minutes, I'll post my actions later today.
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: BowenSilverclaw May 20, 2009, 12:45:03 PM
Okay, done :)
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: Dictum Mortuum May 22, 2009, 06:46:57 AM
http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/2080894/
19.

Anyone can remember where i can look up the buffs that are currently up?
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: AfterCrescent May 22, 2009, 02:31:02 PM
I started a thread so we can easily keep track of buffs that are up.
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: BowenSilverclaw May 22, 2009, 02:44:00 PM
Groovy :)

I'll post my buffs so you can update the OP (I think that's how you wanna do it, right?)

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: BowenSilverclaw May 22, 2009, 02:48:09 PM
Done. Perhaps a separate entry for any 'group buffs' as well?

I just (the round before I opened combat with the Stinking Cloud, see last post in the game-thread here (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=638.msg148887#msg148887)) popped an Extended Haste, so that's 22 rounds IIRC :)
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: AfterCrescent May 22, 2009, 03:18:48 PM
Well I figured any 'group' buffs could be included under each character's entry. Makes it easier to track for player and DM alike.
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: BowenSilverclaw May 23, 2009, 03:47:23 PM
In that case, could you be so kind as to add my Haste post under Morthos' entry? :)
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: AfterCrescent May 24, 2009, 12:42:42 AM
Will do... Tomorrow ;)
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: Tshern May 24, 2009, 01:32:52 AM
Same here. I've been up for some 22 hours and I am playing with T_G and some other people. Feeling tired.
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: Tshern May 24, 2009, 02:43:20 PM
Okay, as said I had a game that ended somewhere around 8 a.m. and as such I am what most people would call tired. I'll get to this tomorrow, don't get yourselves killed before that.
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: BowenSilverclaw May 31, 2009, 01:26:03 PM
So, results of mah castin'? :)

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: Tshern June 03, 2009, 04:30:33 PM
Explanation time: A friend who studies in Scotland came to Finland, lived here a few days, my Mother's dog is sick and I am responsible for keeping it well when she is at work and so forth. A lot of things to do.
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: Dictum Mortuum June 03, 2009, 06:51:10 PM
http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/2080894/
19.

Anyone can remember where i can look up the buffs that are currently up?

Here's my initiative Tshern.
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: Tshern June 04, 2009, 09:47:16 PM
Excellent! I'll get back to this either tomorrow or on Saturday.

Explanation to this: The Finnish welfare is good, but a bit slow. So, incidentally, it has been cheaper for me to call in old loans in the form of beer than to eat. During the last 11 days I have had no less than three meals. I am somewhat hungry, but at least very well satisfied when it comes to booze.
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: PhaedrusXY June 13, 2009, 03:20:17 PM
I'll be moving over the next week, and won't be posting much (if any). Gabriel will mostly be stabbing stuff in the face, so feel free to NPC him if you want. He has an immediate action short range teleport he can activate, if he needs. (the Flicker shadow mystery, granted by Tenebrous).
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: Tshern June 13, 2009, 04:29:21 PM
Alright, this is a message for all of you: I am pretty sure you have all caught the possible future changes of the board and so far I am putting this game on something of a hiatus. I will be posting, even if rarely, but I am keeping myself on toes. According to the new idea anyone with opposing the admins will be kicked out and, to be honest, I do not consider myself to be one of the most neutral users around here. Nevermind that, but whether I am banned or not, I will continue the game somewhere and will return to you as soon as the changes are ready.
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: BowenSilverclaw June 13, 2009, 04:32:37 PM
Thanks for the heads-up :)

Hoping it doesn't turn out as bad as you're fearing though.
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: AfterCrescent June 13, 2009, 06:30:57 PM
Yeah, I appreciate the warning, Tshern.

I don't want to flood this thread, but I feel confident your fears should be thrown to the wayside soon.
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: Tshern June 13, 2009, 07:36:28 PM
I'll make the judgement on my own behalf when the chances actually happen. So far it seems the reasons I have occupied this forum until now might not become utterly null, but I we will see.
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: Irthos Levethix July 15, 2009, 08:02:23 PM
So, Tshern, any decisions yet?  I'll admit I haven't been paying much attention the the boards, so I'm not sure if the changes you were concerned about happened or what.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 23, 2009, 04:18:52 PM
Bump ???

Any idea yet whether we'll be continuing this game here or on some other board, Tshern?
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: Zeke July 23, 2009, 04:22:42 PM
Alright, this is a message for all of you: I am pretty sure you have all caught the possible future changes of the board and so far I am putting this game on something of a hiatus. I will be posting, even if rarely, but I am keeping myself on toes. According to the new idea anyone with opposing the admins will be kicked out and, to be honest, I do not consider myself to be one of the most neutral users around here. Nevermind that, but whether I am banned or not, I will continue the game somewhere and will return to you as soon as the changes are ready.

this is not true. Any idea which is well presented and sported, will not only be allowed, but encouraged.
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: BowenSilverclaw July 28, 2009, 04:05:00 PM
Bump...

I spent too much damn time on my Wizard to let this game die :P
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: Tshern August 03, 2009, 08:28:29 AM
Alright, this is a message for all of you: I am pretty sure you have all caught the possible future changes of the board and so far I am putting this game on something of a hiatus. I will be posting, even if rarely, but I am keeping myself on toes. According to the new idea anyone with opposing the admins will be kicked out and, to be honest, I do not consider myself to be one of the most neutral users around here. Nevermind that, but whether I am banned or not, I will continue the game somewhere and will return to you as soon as the changes are ready.

this is not true. Any idea which is well presented and sported, will not only be allowed, but encouraged.
I already addressed my concerns about the forum's negativity reflecting badly upon its owners in the appropriate thread. I am not going to debate it here, but in case you have missed my posts and want to see my two cents, I can give you an answer via PM.

As for the players of this game, I have decided to continue this here at least for now. Today is busy to say the very least, but I will try to post here tomorrow when I am finished with my dealings with my bank. That is if there is any interested players around.
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: PhaedrusXY August 03, 2009, 11:43:01 AM
I'm still here. :D
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: BowenSilverclaw August 03, 2009, 12:23:02 PM
Still interested :)
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: AfterCrescent August 03, 2009, 02:37:25 PM
Talsor's still up. :)
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: skydragonknight August 03, 2009, 02:42:05 PM
Let's start the "Battle on the Big Bridge" already.
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: Irthos Levethix August 03, 2009, 08:37:41 PM
Agreed
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: bogsnes August 04, 2009, 08:15:48 AM
Im here...
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: Tshern August 04, 2009, 06:46:06 PM
What the heck? All players gave a positive answer during a few hour period? Tomorrow the battle will continue. Choose your destiny.
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: BowenSilverclaw August 05, 2009, 07:29:16 AM
MORTAL KOMBAT! :D
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: Tshern August 07, 2009, 08:20:27 AM
To me it seems Dictum Mortuum has been very inactive lately, so I am prone to removing him from this combat. I can simply adjust the challenge a bit to suit that and we would not have to wait for his actions that might not come at all.

Thoughts?
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: BowenSilverclaw August 07, 2009, 08:28:50 AM
PM him about it? If he doesn't respond within a certain timeframe, then I'd say go ahead, if only to speed things up.
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: Dictum Mortuum August 13, 2009, 10:53:03 AM
I'm on vacation without an internet connection, so i won't be able to participate. If it is a trouble adjusting the difficulty level, you can choose Ash's actions Tshern :)
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: skydragonknight August 18, 2009, 02:42:47 PM
GenCon's over, so AC and myself are ready.
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: Irthos Levethix August 19, 2009, 07:21:50 PM
So... we get to blow stuff up now?
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: BowenSilverclaw August 19, 2009, 07:40:12 PM
Blow stuff up?

Maybe the Troll can wield Morthos and call him his boomstick? :lol
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: PhaedrusXY August 19, 2009, 08:08:51 PM
Blow stuff up?

Maybe the Troll can wield Morthos and call him his boomstick? :lol
We might be able to make things explode if we hit them hard enough. Like in Baldur's Gate.  :joystick
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: BowenSilverclaw August 19, 2009, 08:12:07 PM
Blow stuff up?

Maybe the Troll can wield Morthos and call him his boomstick? :lol
We might be able to make things explode if we hit them hard enough. Like in Baldur's Gate.  :joystick

Boomstick, fine, but you're not wielding me as a club :P

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: Tshern August 29, 2009, 06:51:54 AM
Now, finally, we can continue. I got somewhat surprised by the fact that after being without work for an extended period of time, I was asked to do something like 25 shifts in 27 days. Sigh, a lot of job there, but at least I'll get some money. Yeah, nothing yet, because my supervisor forgot to pay me and now I have to wait two more weeks for the first load of cash to arrive. FUCK!
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: Tshern August 29, 2009, 06:54:27 AM
Okay guys, I seem to have lost the initiatives of the devils. Did I post them there and I am just too stupid to find them or what? If you don't mind, I'll reroll them. If no objections come by tonight, I'll reroll and write an IC post.
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: AfterCrescent October 16, 2009, 12:24:51 PM
... we need a tumbleweed smiley.

Tshern, are you settled in now that you've moved. Any chance we can start this up again? Anyone else around, still?
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: PhaedrusXY October 16, 2009, 12:29:26 PM
Anyone else around, still?
Pshh, are you kidding? I think most of this group will be around till doomsday. :P Tumbleweeds just add to the ambiance. ;)


Oh yeah... someone pointed out that "I'm doing it wrong" when it comes to the penalty for having a Legacy item. The spell slot penalties are not cumulative. Each level on the chart replaces the ones below it. So I actually should have several more spell slots...
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: AfterCrescent October 16, 2009, 01:09:22 PM
Anyone else around, still?
Pshh, are you kidding? I think most of this group will be around till doomsday. :P
I can hope so. ;)
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: BowenSilverclaw October 16, 2009, 02:52:05 PM
Anyone else around, still?
Pshh, are you kidding? I think most of this group will be around till doomsday. :P
I can hope so. ;)
Still here :)
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: Tshern October 17, 2009, 10:12:37 AM
Still here.