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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #460 on: January 05, 2011, 06:09:40 PM »
Action points, maybe?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #461 on: January 05, 2011, 06:12:03 PM »
Q134: Do templates change character aging? Specifically would adding a template that changes your type change at what age you gain your penalties/bonuses?

A134: It is commonly accepted that a Kobold who takes the Dragonwrought feat and thereby has its type changed to Dragon ages as a true dragon would age. Therefore, I believe the answer to your question is yes.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #462 on: January 05, 2011, 06:12:18 PM »
How do you apply lycanthrope to a nonhumanoid?
I don't.  I was merely indicating I was already aware of those two templates as adding HD.  I was hoping there were others.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #463 on: January 05, 2011, 06:12:54 PM »
How do you apply lycanthrope to a nonhumanoid?
I don't.  I was merely indicating I was already aware of those two templates as adding HD.  I was hoping there were others.
I believe you can use it on monstrous humanoids and giants, as well.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #464 on: January 05, 2011, 06:14:04 PM »
Q134: Do templates change character aging? Specifically would adding a template that changes your type change at what age you gain your penalties/bonuses?

A134: It is commonly accepted that a Kobold who takes the Dragonwrought feat and thereby has its type changed to Dragon ages as a true dragon would age. Therefore, I believe the answer to your question is yes.
Dragonwrought has specific rulestext, though.

Depends upon the template.  Undead don't age, for example, but outsiders vary. 
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #465 on: January 05, 2011, 06:19:33 PM »
Q134: Do templates change character aging? Specifically would adding a template that changes your type change at what age you gain your penalties/bonuses?

A134: It is commonly accepted that a Kobold who takes the Dragonwrought feat and thereby has its type changed to Dragon ages as a true dragon would age. Therefore, I believe the answer to your question is yes.
Dragonwrought has specific rulestext, though.

Depends upon the template.  Undead don't age, for example, but outsiders vary. 
They do tend to rot, though. Gentle repose FTW.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #466 on: January 05, 2011, 06:22:31 PM »
Q134: Do templates change character aging? Specifically would adding a template that changes your type change at what age you gain your penalties/bonuses?

A134: It is commonly accepted that a Kobold who takes the Dragonwrought feat and thereby has its type changed to Dragon ages as a true dragon would age. Therefore, I believe the answer to your question is yes.
Dragonwrought has specific rulestext, though.

Depends upon the template.  Undead don't age, for example, but outsiders vary. 
Well the issue is sprung from the DWK argument. I had a thought as to whether or not adding half-dragon changed or eliminated the base creature's age categories as it is no longer a member of that race, thus the table presenting their age categories and what ages there were changes in stats is rendered useless.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #467 on: January 05, 2011, 06:23:13 PM »
Gets confusion.  For example, it's perfectly possible to have a half-blue-dragon blue dragon. 
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #468 on: January 05, 2011, 06:37:08 PM »
I would like to chime in and note that DWK's aging as dragons being commonly accepted means neither that it's right nor that it's what a DM would accept.  In fact, the Dragonwrought feat does very little to the aging process of a Kobold: eliminating aging penalties and extending the ultimate lifespan of the kobold by a small amount.  It does not cause you to gain age categories as a true dragon.

As for other templates, a fluff argument could be made for gaining the mental bonuses on-schedule for undead templates, and not taking the physical penalties.  In pretty much every other case, however, there are simply no rules at all regarding what happens to a creature's age categories once you stick a template on it.  Not even in Savage Species.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #469 on: January 05, 2011, 06:45:16 PM »
Well, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. :-)

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #470 on: January 05, 2011, 07:10:02 PM »
I would like to chime in and note that DWK's aging as dragons being commonly accepted means neither that it's right nor that it's what a DM would accept.  In fact, the Dragonwrought feat does very little to the aging process of a Kobold: eliminating aging penalties and extending the ultimate lifespan of the kobold by a small amount.  It does not cause you to gain age categories as a true dragon.

As for other templates, a fluff argument could be made for gaining the mental bonuses on-schedule for undead templates, and not taking the physical penalties.  In pretty much every other case, however, there are simply no rules at all regarding what happens to a creature's age categories once you stick a template on it.  Not even in Savage Species.
Check RotD again, kobold age section. DWK speciically run off another aging table that has dragon age categories.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #471 on: January 05, 2011, 07:46:51 PM »
Q 132 Is there a way to give a death knight additional uses of their Abyssal Blast instead of just 1/day?
Squire of legend.

If it's (sp), magic-blooded works as well.
Somehow I don't think so on either.

Squire of Legend lets you choose from a list of what abilities to take. At no point did I read "gain an additional use of a X/day use ability."

And magic-blooded doesn't work like that. It's a 3.0 template that gives you a list of SLA at 2nd character level.

Now, Magic in the Blood technically could, but that's a Faerun regional feat, and that's much too limiting. Now I know what you're all going to say. "Well you don't have to take the regional part with it." Yes, you do. If you're allowing homebrew in your games to say that it doesn't, that's fine. But that doesn't work here this time. Sorry. If you think it's stupid, and DMs who don't homebrew like you guys do, that's fine too. You're entitled to your opinions.

But I need something a little more universal. If what's above are the only options, then the answer is "No, there is not a way for the death knight to gain additional uses of their Abyssal Blast."

To rephrase your question, you're looking for a method of obtaining extra uses of a Supernatural ability which may only be used 1/day, that Supernatural ability having been gained through the application of a template to a base creature, in this case a humanoid.

To answer that question, I do not believe there is any official method that may be used to attain that goal.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #472 on: January 05, 2011, 07:53:16 PM »
I would like to chime in and note that DWK's aging as dragons being commonly accepted means neither that it's right nor that it's what a DM would accept.  In fact, the Dragonwrought feat does very little to the aging process of a Kobold: eliminating aging penalties and extending the ultimate lifespan of the kobold by a small amount.  It does not cause you to gain age categories as a true dragon.

As for other templates, a fluff argument could be made for gaining the mental bonuses on-schedule for undead templates, and not taking the physical penalties.  In pretty much every other case, however, there are simply no rules at all regarding what happens to a creature's age categories once you stick a template on it.  Not even in Savage Species.
Check RotD again, kobold age section. DWK speciically run off another aging table that has dragon age categories.
Actually all kobolds use that table. They also have the normal Aging effects table that dictates when they gain stat bonuses & penalties.

Interestingly I found a partial answer to my question. RotD p61 under death states that Half-Dragons live longer than thier base race but don't live as long as dragons. It even calls out pairing between an elf and a dragon can create a half-dragon that can live as long as a great wyrm.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #473 on: January 05, 2011, 07:57:46 PM »
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Were you not the one arguing with crumudgeon that any 1RHD race, not just humanoids can replace it with a class level? The Level drain can be permanent when you fail the save and we know LA doesn't matter races like drow.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #474 on: January 05, 2011, 08:10:24 PM »
Were you not the one arguing with crumudgeon that any 1RHD race, not just humanoids can replace it with a class level? The Level drain can be permanent when you fail the save and we know LA doesn't matter races like drow.
You don't replace it.  You just don't ever pick it up at character creation if your base race has 1 RHD.

There's also no rulestext that says you're allowed to choose something other than your racial hit dice.  In addition, as previously mentioned, the section in savage species refers to the base race's hit dice - not your hit dice as a character, so you're not getting ahead in ECL.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #475 on: January 05, 2011, 08:19:52 PM »
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #476 on: January 05, 2011, 09:01:22 PM »
Were you not the one arguing with crumudgeon that any 1RHD race, not just humanoids can replace it with a class level? The Level drain can be permanent when you fail the save and we know LA doesn't matter races like drow.
You don't replace it.  You just don't ever pick it up at character creation if your base race has 1 RHD.

There's also no rulestext that says you're allowed to choose something other than your racial hit dice.  In addition, as previously mentioned, the section in savage species refers to the base race's hit dice - not your hit dice as a character, so you're not getting ahead in ECL.

For humanoids there is, though I'm at a loss at what is supposed to happen to tieflings or the like.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #477 on: January 05, 2011, 09:21:05 PM »
I would like to chime in and note that DWK's aging as dragons being commonly accepted means neither that it's right nor that it's what a DM would accept.  In fact, the Dragonwrought feat does very little to the aging process of a Kobold: eliminating aging penalties and extending the ultimate lifespan of the kobold by a small amount.  It does not cause you to gain age categories as a true dragon.

As for other templates, a fluff argument could be made for gaining the mental bonuses on-schedule for undead templates, and not taking the physical penalties.  In pretty much every other case, however, there are simply no rules at all regarding what happens to a creature's age categories once you stick a template on it.  Not even in Savage Species.
Check RotD again, kobold age section. DWK speciically run off another aging table that has dragon age categories.
Actually all kobolds use that table. They also have the normal Aging effects table that dictates when they gain stat bonuses & penalties.

Interestingly I found a partial answer to my question. RotD p61 under death states that Half-Dragons live longer than thier base race but don't live as long as dragons. It even calls out pairing between an elf and a dragon can create a half-dragon that can live as long as a great wyrm.
In other words, the first table is fluff, the second is mechanics.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #478 on: January 05, 2011, 09:29:48 PM »
The SRD website is kind of dumb about replacing the first RHD; the actual books don't mention humanoids at all - much like the whole "dex0=paralysis", they just screwed up when they transferred the info.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 21: Dunkadooballs!
« Reply #479 on: January 05, 2011, 09:31:35 PM »
I would like to chime in and note that DWK's aging as dragons being commonly accepted means neither that it's right nor that it's what a DM would accept.  In fact, the Dragonwrought feat does very little to the aging process of a Kobold: eliminating aging penalties and extending the ultimate lifespan of the kobold by a small amount.  It does not cause you to gain age categories as a true dragon.

As for other templates, a fluff argument could be made for gaining the mental bonuses on-schedule for undead templates, and not taking the physical penalties.  In pretty much every other case, however, there are simply no rules at all regarding what happens to a creature's age categories once you stick a template on it.  Not even in Savage Species.
Check RotD again, kobold age section. DWK speciically run off another aging table that has dragon age categories.
Actually all kobolds use that table. They also have the normal Aging effects table that dictates when they gain stat bonuses & penalties.

Interestingly I found a partial answer to my question. RotD p61 under death states that Half-Dragons live longer than thier base race but don't live as long as dragons. It even calls out pairing between an elf and a dragon can create a half-dragon that can live as long as a great wyrm.
In other words, the first table is fluff, the second is mechanics.
If it's a table, it's not fluff.  All Kobolds have 12 age categories (the same 12 as Dragons, I might add).  That said, this is irrelevant to the question.

While I'm pretty sure that many templates change the creature's lifespan, I can't think of any at all that have an actual listing of by how much (except undead templates which are indefinitely).
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