Abuse Polymorphand no, not to gain entry to Illithid Savant. This use of polymorph is quite similar to one I was thinking of for a rebuking character, except that this one is more likely to work. (Let me know if you think it won't.)Actions needed to take advantage of this (example given is an Ice Weird):
- Polymorph does not offer a save or SR. It only requires a willing target. Well, unconscious = willing for purposes of targeting spells.
- It changes the creature's type, and physical qualities.
- It inherits the following from alter self: "You retain all supernatural and spell-like special attacks and qualities of your normal form, except for those requiring a body part that the new form does not have (such as a mouth for a breath weapon or eyes for a gaze attack)"
1) Get the ice weird unconscious. It doesn't matter how. Ego whip it repeatedly or have the beatstick attack it (its regeneration will turn the damage into nonlethal).
2) Turn it into a newt with polymorph.
3) Before, the target was an elemental mass of ice. Now it's an animal. A a fleshy animal with some abilities you might want... and a tasty, tasty brain.
4) Consume brain, receive either the ability to control any number of (ice or water) subtyped elementals indefinitely, or the ability to use a number of divination spells (including contact other plane, foresight, and greater scrying) at will as a free action.
5) ???
6) Profit.
I am having too much fun with formatting, at this point.Summary:
If a creature can be rendered unconscious and is not immune to polymorph, you can gain its racial supernatural or spell like abilities
even if it does not normally have a brain.
Guest: Sparkly McUber, Venerable Symbiotic Incarnate Dustform Petal Conjurer 5 / Zhentarim Skymage 5 / Legacy Champion 10 (Initial LA +5, reduced to +3 with Incarnate Construct, reduced to +0 with buyoff.)
Host: Tentacled Thing From The Forest, Symbiotic Greenbound Half-Fey Illithid Illithid Savant 10 / X 2 / Illithid Savant +7 (LA doesn't matter. Only its number of Hit Dice.)
Here's the old thread from 339... http://forums.gleemax.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-409678
This is a really horrible idea but I think I should mention it anyway: a Zhentarim Skymage could probably summon up a Half-Fiend Illithid Illithid Savant as a mount...
Summary:Holy balls! :bow
If a creature can be rendered unconscious and is not immune to polymorph, you can gain its racial supernatural or spell like abilities
even if it does not normally have a brain.
“Symbiotic” is an acquired template that can be added to any two living creatures of the following types: animal, humanoid, plant, or vermin. The two creatures need not be the same type. One (hereafter referred to as the guest) must be at least two size categories smaller than the other (hereafter referred to as the host).
Gotta love the utter lack of cohesion in some of these books...I looked in Sandstorm and I didn't see any Small plants...just a Large cactus that grabs people and a Huge animated saguaro.
The Dustform template, however, does not specify any loss in Charisma, just a +4 Str, -2 Dex, and lost of Int and Con.
Class Abilities:I don’t believe this works by RAW as it specifically says it applies to classes you actually have levels in, and it wouldn’t work on the Illithid Savant Class itself because of how it’s own class abilities are worded. Would still work for any other classes you actually do have levels in.
Uncanny Trickster / Legacy Champion: Continued ability progress from one other class, gives you infinite ECL as Illithid Savant, meaning that you get all abilities of all creatures whose brains you've devoured.
Edit: I just looked at the Chronotyrym ability again, and it apparently hinges on the creature having two brains and two voice boxes. This makes it unsuitable for Acquire Special Ability via RAW, because it requires physical attributes...Well... Really it's only the two Voice box problem. You clearly have two brains, more in fact. :D
Just noticed a creature from Unapproachable East, the Nilshai. It has a "Fearsome Celerity" ability which in 3.0 terms was an extra partial action each round. Is that a standard action in 3.5? They also have an inherent Mind Blank which is pretty tasty.
"Partial action" is a "move action" now a days.
Just noticed a creature from Unapproachable East, the Nilshai. It has a "Fearsome Celerity" ability which in 3.0 terms was an extra partial action each round. Is that a standard action in 3.5? They also have an inherent Mind Blank which is pretty tasty."Partial action" is a "move action" now a days.
Acquire Skill: Minor nit-pick, it is worth mentioning that this ability does allow you to obtain skill ranks higher then you would normally be allowed.
At 1st level, an illithid savant can
acquire one skill known by a creature whose brain he has
consumed, chosen at the time of consumption. He perma-
nently gains all of the creature’s ranks in that skill (but not
racial or ability score bonuses to the skill modifier) even if
his new total is more ranks than the illithid savant’s current
character level would normally allow. This skill becomes a
class skill for the illithid savant, and he may buy more ranks
in the skill if the new ranks do not cause him to exceed his
maximum ranks in the skill.
Lore: “Lackluster”? I won’t disagree but it certainly does have it’s uses. It allows you to pick up and put to together all kinds of information. Take for example:
<Stuff>
Long and short: Since your already and Mind Flayer with Planeshift(!) as a natural talent. Lore is your best friend to help you pick out your “choice” abilities you wish out of life. Eat a lore master (or the like) and then there is no reason for you not to know anything... or where to find it.
Acquire Class Features:
<Stuff>
Legacy Champion - can extend the class advancement into the Epic progression.Whoa wait... can we verify this? I don't remember that class doing anything like this.
Assuming you can use the PAO trick to become an Illithid at lower levels (so you can get into Illithid Savant at 8), the Ritual of Unlearning from SS is crazyClose. ;) I had an idea for a build along these lines since... wow over a year now. Damn I wish I had more time on my hands. I'll point this thread to the build when I finish (this thread reminded me).
1) Are there any circumstances under which an IS would lose the abilities it acquired from snacking on grey matter?Loss of Extraordinary Abilities, the Acquire line of abilities is Ex based.
2) When an IS eats a brain with a use/day class feature, how many uses of that class feature does it gain? One, or the amount the brain had?I'd go with generic as possible. Example, the IS gains SA as a 5th level Rogue, not Bob's total SA with is derived from 5 levels in Rogue, 3 in Dread Commando, 10 in Assassin, etc. Same can be said for uses. Like acquiring the brain of a Paladin 5/Fist of Razial 10 would either give you 5th level Paladin Smite (2/day) or 10th level FoR Smite (5/day, stacks with other smite).
2a) When an IS eats two brains which have the same class feature (and chooses said feature), do the two features stack?Sage ruled no, actually as a habit Sage rules everything to obey the stacking rules of spells. Kinda makes sense to default to those rules too since they would answer the normally impossible question of "what if I have two 1st levels in Rogue".
3) When an IS eats a spellcaster's brain, does it have to choose "spellcasting" as a class feature to acquire spells, or by RAW does it get those in addition to the class features it chooses?No. Acquire class Feature explicitly calls out if they are a spellcaster you may obtain X, you don't get to ignore it and obtain spells anyway. It's like ignoring SA doesn't work on creatures immune to Critical Hits and saying you can SA Undead anyway.
4) If an epic IS eats Zeus's brain (for example) with a side of fava beans and a nice chianti, what does it get? What SA's and SQ's are up for grabs? In most deity write-ups, "salient divine abilities" is a single entry under "special attacks"...Even if you could obtain a Salient Divine Ability from eating a brain, Feats & PrCs are lost if you fail to meet the prerequisites. It would make sense SDAs are lost if you lack Divine Ranks too. So go eat a dragon's brain (see draco) and read on up SDA rules to see just how well they are tied to your Divine Ranks (ie at rank 1 can you have 10 SDAs?)
1) Are there any circumstances under which an IS would lose the abilities it acquired from snacking on grey matter?Loss of Extraordinary Abilities, the Acquire line of abilities is Ex based.
2) When an IS eats a brain with a use/day class feature, how many uses of that class feature does it gain? One, or the amount the brain had?I'd go with generic as possible. Example, the IS gains SA as a 5th level Rogue, not Bob's total SA with is derived from 5 levels in Rogue, 3 in Dread Commando, 10 in Assassin, etc. Same can be said for uses. Like acquiring the brain of a Paladin 5/Fist of Razial 10 would either give you 5th level Paladin Smite (2/day) or 10th level FoR Smite (5/day, stacks with other smite).
2a) When an IS eats two brains which have the same class feature (and chooses said feature), do the two features stack?Sage ruled no, actually as a habit Sage rules everything to obey the stacking rules of spells. Kinda makes sense to default to those rules too since they would answer the normally impossible question of "what if I have two 1st levels in Rogue".
3) When an IS eats a spellcaster's brain, does it have to choose "spellcasting" as a class feature to acquire spells, or by RAW does it get those in addition to the class features it chooses?No. Acquire class Feature explicitly calls out if they are a spellcaster you may obtain X, you don't get to ignore it and obtain spells anyway. It's like ignoring SA doesn't work on creatures immune to Critical Hits and saying you can SA Undead anyway.
Acquire Class Feature (Ex): At 3rd level, an illithid
savant permanently gains one class feature of a consumed
brain's owner, as a character of that creature's level in that
class. If the former character was a spellcaster, the illithid
savant is able to cast one spell of each level available to the
character (if the victim was a wizard, the mind flayer must
still consult a spellbook or learn from scrolls), as well as any
bonus spells provideded by the illithid savant's ability
scores. If the illithid savant already has spellcasting levels,
these spells are in addition to those granted by the illithid
savant's spellcasting class levels.
4) If an epic IS eats Zeus's brain (for example) with a side of fava beans and a nice chianti, what does it get? What SA's and SQ's are up for grabs? In most deity write-ups, "salient divine abilities" is a single entry under "special attacks"...Even if you could obtain a Salient Divine Ability from eating a brain, Feats & PrCs are lost if you fail to meet the prerequisites. It would make sense SDAs are lost if you lack Divine Ranks too. So go eat a dragon's brain (see draco) and read on up SDA rules to see just how well they are tied to your Divine Ranks (ie at rank 1 can you have 10 SDAs?)
What it probably should have said is "if the former character was a spellcaster and illithid savant chooses the 'spellcasting' class feature as the target of this ability, the illithid savant is able to blah blah blah." However, it doesn't say that, all it says is essentially "if you eat a spellcaster's brain, you get spell slots".You know that is something I have overlooked.
I think i might have stumbled upon a way to play an illithid savant without actually being an illithid, or spending massive amounts of gold on rituals or POA that is vulnerable to dispels.
I will try and do this in stages, and if i am wrong or makes a mistake in one of the steps, hopefully someone else can help find another solution.
Step 1: Play as a changeling.
The changeling has the "Minor Change Shape" ability. This uses the restriction from the disguise self spell, but the changes are physical and real. This wont give me any abilities from the race i turn into, other than i look like the race, and get +10 to disguise.
The only restrictions in disguise self is size and general shape. So you will be able to look like templated forms, so long as you stick with a size and general shape that is humanoid and medium.
Step 2: Use "Minor Change Shape" to take on the appearance of an [Incarnate Construct] [Effigy] Mind Flayer.
You are now disguised as a medium humanoid.
Step 3: Pick the "Racial Emulation" feat from RoE, and you now count as the race your disguised as, so long as it is a humanoid race.
Is there any RAW flaws in this?
I looked but couldn't find much info on it; I thought Legacy Champion could not advance a PrC into its epic form (and so not be useful for illithid Savant) or am I barking at the moon?
Im done with that build but I'm waiting on the LC question, since epic illithid Savant is too good to ignore.
I think i might have stumbled upon a way to play an illithid savant without actually being an illithid, or spending massive amounts of gold on rituals or POA that is vulnerable to dispels.
I will try and do this in stages, and if i am wrong or makes a mistake in one of the steps, hopefully someone else can help find another solution.
Step 1: Play as a changeling.
The changeling has the "Minor Change Shape" ability. This uses the restriction from the disguise self spell, but the changes are physical and real. This wont give me any abilities from the race i turn into, other than i look like the race, and get +10 to disguise.
The only restrictions in disguise self is size and general shape. So you will be able to look like templated forms, so long as you stick with a size and general shape that is humanoid and medium.
Step 2: Use "Minor Change Shape" to take on the appearance of an [Incarnate Construct] [Effigy] Mind Flayer.
You are now disguised as a medium humanoid.
Step 3: Pick the "Racial Emulation" feat from RoE, and you now count as the race your disguised as, so long as it is a humanoid race.
Is there any RAW flaws in this?
I like it. And just one feat in a build.
<snip> If I gain +1 level to a class, and advancement is listed to level 10, what happens? </snip>There are two sides to that.
What it probably should have said is "if the former character was a spellcaster and illithid savant chooses the 'spellcasting' class feature as the target of this ability, the illithid savant is able to blah blah blah." However, it doesn't say that, all it says is essentially "if you eat a spellcaster's brain, you get spell slots".You know that is something I have overlooked.
Basically you *can't* obtain Class Features from classes with spellcasting, you only gain their spell slots instead. While Ex/Su/Sp based Class Features are still up for grabs, the untyped ones are not. Like Summon Familiar & Domains. I wonder if that was intentional given the Cleric/Druid spontaneous subs would be dropped as well.
I checked through all the bits and pieces and I would say it works.I think i might have stumbled upon a way to play an illithid savant without actually being an illithid, or spending massive amounts of gold on rituals or POA that is vulnerable to dispels.
I will try and do this in stages, and if i am wrong or makes a mistake in one of the steps, hopefully someone else can help find another solution.
Step 1: Play as a changeling.
The changeling has the "Minor Change Shape" ability. This uses the restriction from the disguise self spell, but the changes are physical and real. This wont give me any abilities from the race i turn into, other than i look like the race, and get +10 to disguise.
The only restrictions in disguise self is size and general shape. So you will be able to look like templated forms, so long as you stick with a size and general shape that is humanoid and medium.
Step 2: Use "Minor Change Shape" to take on the appearance of an [Incarnate Construct] [Effigy] Mind Flayer.
You are now disguised as a medium humanoid.
Step 3: Pick the "Racial Emulation" feat from RoE, and you now count as the race your disguised as, so long as it is a humanoid race.
Is there any RAW flaws in this?
I like it. And just one feat in a build.
So do you figure it will work? If so, this "trick" will work for any "monster" prc that uses medium humanoid shaped monsters. Such as the slaad and yan-ti prc in savage species.
At 3rd level, an illithid savant permanently gains one class feature of a consumed brain's owner, as a character of that creature's level in that
class. If the former character was a spellcaster, the illithid savant is able to cast one spell of each level available to the character
Purely RAW, the text on Acquire Class Feature seems to say that in addition to gaining a class feature from delicious brains, if the former owner of said brain was a spellcaster, you gain spellcasting abilities. This is a silly thing, but there's no 'instead' in the text:: Savage SpeciesAt 3rd level, an illithid savant permanently gains one class feature of a consumed brain's owner, as a character of that creature's level in that
class. If the former character was a spellcaster, the illithid savant is able to cast one spell of each level available to the character
Use "Minor Change Shape" to take on the appearance of an [Incarnate Construct] [Effigy] Mind Flayer.
Use "Minor Change Shape" to take on the appearance of an [Incarnate Construct] [Effigy] Mind Flayer.
The question is, what does it mean to be a creature? I've always figured it means having the appropriate subtype. That interpretation makes effigy a problem, since it wipes out subtypes, but dustform is fine.
Do mind flayers qualify for the human heritage feat? Lords of Madness says adult mind flayers are created from the fusion of a tadpole and a humanoid. It seems like a mind flayer created from a human might count as “human-descended.” This might not actually be helpful, but I'm curious.
Do mind flayers qualify for the human heritage feat? Lords of Madness says adult mind flayers are created from the fusion of a tadpole and a humanoid. It seems like a mind flayer created from a human might count as “human-descended.” This might not actually be helpful, but I'm curious.By RAW I do not think they qualify since the prerequisite is "Half-human race or human-descended race" and not all Illithids are made from humans. Since not all Illithids are made from humans but all Illithids still count as the same race, their entire race can not be said to be human descended.
Won't that work for getting into Beholder Mage too?
I looked but couldn't find much info on it; I thought Legacy Champion could not advance a PrC into its epic form (and so not be useful for illithid Savant) or am I barking at the moon?
Im done with that build but I'm waiting on the LC question, since epic illithid Savant is too good to ignore.
I looked but couldn't find much info on it; I thought Legacy Champion could not advance a PrC into its epic form (and so not be useful for illithid Savant) or am I barking at the moon?
Im done with that build but I'm waiting on the LC question, since epic illithid Savant is too good to ignore.
hmm ... I should have answered this, and while I had access.
Anybody have the Weapon Of Legacy book handy,
to check whether the Legacy Champ PrC
advances base classes above 20, or PrC classes above 10 (or 5) ?? !!
Same with Uncanny Trickster in CAdv (iirc).
???
I've been thinking about an early entry handbook so we woud have a one stop shop for our builds that need the extra edge.There is no illithid subtype.
So I turned to this gem of a PrC and worked on it till I found a way to enter it at level 2 using WoTC material.
What is required to enter:
From savage species
REQUIREMENTS
To qualify to become an illithid savant, a character must fulfill all the following criteria.
Race:Mind flayer.
Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 10 ranks.
Special: Must have consumed the brain of a creature of CR 9 or greater.
For purposes of the first build I'll do the earliest legal entry:
Erudite 5 / Thrallherd 6 (Along the way eat the brain of a CR 9 creature and put at least 10 ranks in Knowledge Arcana)
Thrall - Transmuter 10
DMG says you now have 66,000gp
or
Erudite 5 /Thrallherd 4 if the DM let's you pool the thralls wealth with your on wealth for 63,000gp
Thrall - Transmuter 7
Order Transmuter to perform Ritual of Association from savage species to change your type to Illithid.
(This minor ritual gives the character a racial subtype or type modifier ...
This ritual requires a 7th-level transmuter who knows polymorph other.(as per 3.5 this is now polymorph)
Ritual Cost: This ritual costs the subject 56,000 gold pieces and 2,240 XP.)
Level adjustment as stated is +0
Now you have the racial type needed to enter IS, the skills to enter IS and the extra dietary supplement as well.
Let's take it up a step :)
This will require the use of a magic item and the above mentioned ritual to gain the race type of illithid. This one is DM dependent as you need 66,000gp to pull it off. If not then you will need to use the Rebuilding rules.
Erudite 1/ IS x if the DM lets you spend the gold
or
Erudite2/ IS 9 if you have to rebuild
Brainmate (LoM 68)
Character needs to have telepathy special ability, the ability to cast Rary’s telepathic bond, or the mindlink psionic power.
A brainmate possesses 10 ranks in two specific Knowledge skills, allowing the wearer to make checks in those specific skills as if he possessed the same number of ranks.
Moderate divination; CL 11th; Craft Wondrous Item, Rary’s telepathic bond or telepathy as a special ability; Price 10,000 gp.
You want 10 ranks in Knowledge Arcana.
Eat the brain of a CR9 or greater creature. Nowhere does it say you have to kill it or it has to be fresh. ;)
I've been thinking about an early entry handbook so we woud have a one stop shop for our builds that need the extra edge.There is no illithid subtype.
So I turned to this gem of a PrC and worked on it till I found a way to enter it at level 2 using WoTC material.
What is required to enter:
From savage species
REQUIREMENTS
To qualify to become an illithid savant, a character must fulfill all the following criteria.
Race:Mind flayer.
Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 10 ranks.
Special: Must have consumed the brain of a creature of CR 9 or greater.
For purposes of the first build I'll do the earliest legal entry:
Erudite 5 / Thrallherd 6 (Along the way eat the brain of a CR 9 creature and put at least 10 ranks in Knowledge Arcana)
Thrall - Transmuter 10
DMG says you now have 66,000gp
or
Erudite 5 /Thrallherd 4 if the DM let's you pool the thralls wealth with your on wealth for 63,000gp
Thrall - Transmuter 7
Order Transmuter to perform Ritual of Association from savage species to change your type to Illithid.
(This minor ritual gives the character a racial subtype or type modifier ...
This ritual requires a 7th-level transmuter who knows polymorph other.(as per 3.5 this is now polymorph)
Ritual Cost: This ritual costs the subject 56,000 gold pieces and 2,240 XP.)
Level adjustment as stated is +0
Now you have the racial type needed to enter IS, the skills to enter IS and the extra dietary supplement as well.
Let's take it up a step :)
This will require the use of a magic item and the above mentioned ritual to gain the race type of illithid. This one is DM dependent as you need 66,000gp to pull it off. If not then you will need to use the Rebuilding rules.
Erudite 1/ IS x if the DM lets you spend the gold
or
Erudite2/ IS 9 if you have to rebuild
Brainmate (LoM 68)
Character needs to have telepathy special ability, the ability to cast Rary’s telepathic bond, or the mindlink psionic power.
A brainmate possesses 10 ranks in two specific Knowledge skills, allowing the wearer to make checks in those specific skills as if he possessed the same number of ranks.
Moderate divination; CL 11th; Craft Wondrous Item, Rary’s telepathic bond or telepathy as a special ability; Price 10,000 gp.
You want 10 ranks in Knowledge Arcana.
Eat the brain of a CR9 or greater creature. Nowhere does it say you have to kill it or it has to be fresh. ;)
There is no illithid subtype.
Subraces =/= subtypes. There are a finite list of types & subtypes: http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/typesSubtypes.htm
Which monsters have types or subtypes not in the list?
Which monsters have types or subtypes not in the list?
Some subtypes not on that list are dragonblood, dwarf, elf, gnome, halfling, human, orc, and raptoran. A type not on the list is abomination (not to be confused with aberration). There may be others, but probably not too many.
AnaximAbomination isn't a type. Nor is Elder Evil, True Dragon, Demon, Devil, or Angel. They are functionally a "race" sharing several key traits in common with others like them and that's it. Dragonblooded is a subtype, but it's not public information/part of the SRD. Further given the MMI was printed years before RotD and wasn't part of the original concept.
Size/Type: Medium Construct (Extraplanar, Lawful)
<snip>
Special Qualities: Abomination traits, magic immunity, construct traits, fast healing 15, SR 34, damage reduction 10/chaotic and epic and adamantine
Abomination isn't a type. Nor is Elder Evil, True Dragon, Demon, Devil, or Angel.
On short, your argument and related tangents are full of holes & incorrect (good call sirpercival).
What argument? I answered a question. I'm not throwing in with … whatever it is Hazren's arguing just because I pointed out he's right about that list not being all-inclusive.Oh, well hell it takes a year for me to be able to recall a name within seconds of seeing. To me you were the other guy.
This minor ritual gives the character a racial subtype or type modifier such as gnoll, goblinoid, orc, or reptilian
Firstly, the ritual can not change you to the Gnoll type since there is no such thing as the Gnoll type. There is a Gnoll subtype specifically stated in the rules, which the ritual can give you. The ritual can not give you the Illithid type or subtype since neither exists. No matter how much you seem to want the rules to be different, they will not change.This minor ritual gives the character a racial subtype or type modifier such as gnoll, goblinoid, orc, or reptilian
Where as a Gnoll is a Humanoid[Type] I can see this the same as a Mindflayer is an Aberation[Type]. If this ritual can change your "type" to Gnoll then why not Mindflayer?
Seems to me that we are ignoring the part (like my entire second post) that minor rituals can give type and the one I listed would be a good point to work from even if you don't agree with my reading of the text of that specific ritual that giving "type modifier" would be giving the type and not subtype, or that the variants count as subtypes.I'm not sure what in your second post is supposed to help your argument. Even if the ritual gives type, it does not help anything since there is no Illithid type or subtype. As for "your reading" that illithids have a subtype because there are variants, unless they are stated to have a subtype, no such subtype exists. As someone already said subrace does not equal subtype.
Firstly, the ritual can not change you to the Gnoll type since there is no such thing as the Gnoll type. There is a Gnoll subtype specifically stated in the rules, which the ritual can give you. The ritual can not give you the Illithid type or subtype since neither exists. No matter how much you seem to want the rules to be different, they will not change.This minor ritual gives the character a racial subtype or type modifier such as gnoll, goblinoid, orc, or reptilian
Where as a Gnoll is a Humanoid[Type] I can see this the same as a Mindflayer is an Aberation[Type]. If this ritual can change your "type" to Gnoll then why not Mindflayer?
Their monster manual entry. The same is true for any race with a subtype. It is always listed right next to their type at the top of the entry. Here's a reproduction of the beginning of their entry.Firstly, the ritual can not change you to the Gnoll type since there is no such thing as the Gnoll type. There is a Gnoll subtype specifically stated in the rules, which the ritual can give you. The ritual can not give you the Illithid type or subtype since neither exists. No matter how much you seem to want the rules to be different, they will not change.This minor ritual gives the character a racial subtype or type modifier such as gnoll, goblinoid, orc, or reptilian
Where as a Gnoll is a Humanoid[Type] I can see this the same as a Mindflayer is an Aberation[Type]. If this ritual can change your "type" to Gnoll then why not Mindflayer?
I must have missed that. Could you tell me where to find Gnoll listed as a subtype? I only found it listed under Humanoid which is a Type. As far as I can tell Gnoll is a race listed under Humanoid.
Gnoll
Medium Humaniod (Gnoll)
Hit Dice:...
Their monster manual entry. The same is true for any race with a subtype. It is always listed right next to their type at the top of the entry. Here's a reproduction of the beginning of their entry.Firstly, the ritual can not change you to the Gnoll type since there is no such thing as the Gnoll type. There is a Gnoll subtype specifically stated in the rules, which the ritual can give you. The ritual can not give you the Illithid type or subtype since neither exists. No matter how much you seem to want the rules to be different, they will not change.This minor ritual gives the character a racial subtype or type modifier such as gnoll, goblinoid, orc, or reptilian
Where as a Gnoll is a Humanoid[Type] I can see this the same as a Mindflayer is an Aberation[Type]. If this ritual can change your "type" to Gnoll then why not Mindflayer?
I must have missed that. Could you tell me where to find Gnoll listed as a subtype? I only found it listed under Humanoid which is a Type. As far as I can tell Gnoll is a race listed under Humanoid.Gnoll
Medium Humaniod (Gnoll)
Hit Dice:...
Interesting. I used page 4 and 5 of the MM and Gnoll is listed under Humanoid the same way Mind Flayer is listed under Aberation. I see your point about how it's listed in the table entry.
I have a question regarding the acquire X abilities.
Specifically, did you notice you don't benefit from acquire X per Y levels of Illithid savant, but per brain? (I wish I was making this up. It's somewhat sane if you read it the conservative way, but it is easy to argue RAW is per brain.)
Also, with the spells regeneration and delay death, you can eat your own brain. Because why not?
There was a thread on this a while back. Can't remember the name. Either it focused on ilithid savant or it was very prominent in the discussion. I'll try to find the link.I have a question regarding the acquire X abilities.Now I really have to get that book out of storage.
Specifically, did you notice you don't benefit from acquire X per Y levels of Illithid savant, but per brain? (I wish I was making this up. It's somewhat sane if you read it the conservative way, but it is easy to argue RAW is per brain.)
Specifically, did you notice you don't benefit from acquire X per Y levels of Illithid savant, but per brain? (I wish I was making this up. It's somewhat sane if you read it the conservative way, but it is easy to argue RAW is per brain.)Yes. In fact we had an argument about that before (jojo beat me to linking it).
Now I really have to get that book out of storage.Here is the Skill entry to bide you over until you get your book.
Acquire Skill (Ex): At 1st level, an illithid savant can acquire one skill known by a creature whose brain he has consumed, chosen at the time of consumption. He permanently gains all of the creature’s ranks in that skill (but not racial or ability score bonuses to the skill modifier) even if his new total is more ranks than the illithid savant’s current character level would normally allow. This skill becomes a class skill for the illithid savant, and he may buy more ranks in the skill if the new ranks do not cause him to exceed his maximum ranks in the skill. At 4th, 6th, and 8th level, the illithid savant can acquire and use one additional skill from a brain.It can be read either way I suppose, but really. If they meant you get one skill ever that should have done something like at 1st level you learn one skill from a brain you have eaten before. Not pick one skill when you eat a brain.
{ ... If someone ate my brain they'd know which smiley face to insert now ... }:psyduck ?
Did you just eat his brain?{ ... If someone ate my brain they'd know which smiley face to insert now ... }:psyduck ?
... maybe?Did you just eat his brain?{ ... If someone ate my brain they'd know which smiley face to insert now ... }:psyduck ?