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bogsnes

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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #620 on: March 29, 2009, 07:20:29 AM »
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Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
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Ninja
Factotum
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Warblade

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Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
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Erudite
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40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
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48th:Samurai
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50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]

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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #621 on: March 29, 2009, 08:23:46 AM »
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Scout
Soulknife
Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
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Warblade
Archivist

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Bard
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Swordsage
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Psion
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]
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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #622 on: March 29, 2009, 09:02:30 AM »
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Wizard
Scout
Soulknife
Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
Dragonfire Adept
Warblade
Archivist
Barbarian

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Warlock
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Totemist
Swordsage
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Psion
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #623 on: March 29, 2009, 02:26:13 PM »

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Rogue
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Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
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Psion
Shadowcaster
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Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
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Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]
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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #624 on: March 29, 2009, 03:42:11 PM »
[spoiler=Last thing I care to save for the round :P]Saved:                     
Wizard
Scout
Soulknife
Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
Dragonfire Adept
Warblade
Archivist
Barbarian
Spellthief
Totemist

Unsaved:
Warlock
Dread Necromancer
Sorcerer
Druid
Artificer
Binder
Beguiler
Ranger
Monk
Bard
Swordsage
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Psion
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]
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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #625 on: March 29, 2009, 05:03:07 PM »
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Scout
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Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
Dragonfire Adept
Warblade
Archivist
Barbarian
Spellthief
Totemist
Artificer

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Warlock
Dread Necromancer
Sorcerer
Druid
Binder
Beguiler
Ranger
Monk
Bard
Swordsage
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Psion
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]
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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #626 on: March 29, 2009, 05:18:15 PM »
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Rogue
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Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
Dragonfire Adept
Warblade
Archivist
Barbarian
Spellthief
Totemist
Artificer
Monk

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Warlock
Dread Necromancer
Sorcerer
Druid
Binder
Beguiler
Ranger
Bard
Swordsage
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Psion
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]
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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #627 on: March 29, 2009, 05:59:21 PM »
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Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
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Dragonfire Adept
Warblade
Archivist
Barbarian
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Totemist
Artificer
Monk
Beguiler

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Sorcerer
Druid
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Ranger
Bard
Swordsage
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Psion
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]

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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #628 on: March 29, 2009, 07:51:17 PM »
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Wizard
Scout
Soulknife
Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
Dragonfire Adept
Warblade
Archivist
Barbarian
Spellthief
Totemist
Artificer
Monk
Beguiler
Warlock

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Dread Necromancer
Sorcerer
Druid
Binder
Ranger
Bard
Swordsage
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Psion
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]
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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #629 on: March 30, 2009, 01:12:19 AM »
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Saved:                       
Wizard
Scout
Soulknife
Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
Dragonfire Adept
Swordsage

Unsaved:
Spellthief
Archivist
Warlock
Barbarian
Dread Necromancer
Warblade
Sorcerer
Druid
Artificer
Binder
Beguiler
Ranger
Monk
Bard
Totemist
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Psion
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]

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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #630 on: March 30, 2009, 01:57:58 AM »
Flay, check the one above you. You've lost a lot in your post of ones that were saved.
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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #631 on: March 30, 2009, 07:26:46 AM »
Fixeded (I think)


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Saved:                     
Wizard
Scout
Soulknife
Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
Dragonfire Adept
Warblade
Archivist
Barbarian
Spellthief
Totemist
Artificer
Monk
Beguiler
Warlock
Swordsage
Binder

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Dread Necromancer
Sorcerer
Druid
Ranger
Bard
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Psion
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]

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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #632 on: March 30, 2009, 09:39:20 AM »
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Saved:                     
Wizard
Scout
Soulknife
Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
Dragonfire Adept
Warblade
Archivist
Barbarian
Spellthief
Totemist
Artificer
Monk
Beguiler
Warlock
Swordsage
Binder
Druid

Unsaved:
Dread Necromancer
Sorcerer
Ranger
Bard
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Psion
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]
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Quotes
[spoiler]
Quote from: Cafiend
It is a shame stupidity isn't painful.
Quote from: StormKnight
Totally true.  Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment.
Quote from: Grand Theft Otto
Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
Quote from: CryoSilver
I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife.  A dull, rusty knife.  A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife.
Quote from: Seerow
Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
Quote from: claypigeons
I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet.
Quote from: CryoSilver
When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!"
Quote from: Orville_Oaksong
Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #633 on: March 30, 2009, 10:36:55 AM »
[spoiler]Saved:                     
Wizard
Scout
Soulknife
Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
Dragonfire Adept
Warblade
Archivist
Barbarian
Spellthief
Totemist
Artificer
Monk
Beguiler
Warlock
Swordsage
Binder
Druid
Dread Necromancer

Unsaved:
Sorcerer
Ranger
Bard
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Psion
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]
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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #634 on: March 30, 2009, 10:42:36 AM »
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Saved:                     
Wizard
Scout
Soulknife
Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
Dragonfire Adept
Warblade
Archivist
Barbarian
Spellthief
Totemist
Artificer
Monk
Beguiler
Warlock
Swordsage
Binder
Druid
Bard

Unsaved:
Dread Necromancer
Sorcerer
Ranger
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Psion
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]

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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #635 on: March 30, 2009, 12:24:41 PM »
[spoiler]Saved:                     
Wizard
Scout
Soulknife
Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
Dragonfire Adept
Warblade
Archivist
Barbarian
Spellthief
Totemist
Artificer
Monk
Beguiler
Warlock
Swordsage
Binder
Druid
Bard
Psion

Unsaved:
Dread Necromancer
Sorcerer
Ranger
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]

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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #636 on: March 30, 2009, 01:07:01 PM »
looks like bogsnes accidentally skipped my post when saving his class....
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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #637 on: March 30, 2009, 02:22:41 PM »
Put Dread Necro back where it belongs. Also brought along his more generic friend.

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Wizard
Scout
Soulknife
Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
Dragonfire Adept
Warblade
Archivist
Barbarian
Spellthief
Totemist
Artificer
Monk
Beguiler
Warlock
Swordsage
Binder
Druid
Dread Necromancer
Bard
Psion
Sorcerer

Unsaved:
Ranger
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]
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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #638 on: March 30, 2009, 04:54:03 PM »

[spoiler]Saved:                    
Wizard
Scout
Soulknife
Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
Dragonfire Adept
Warblade
Archivist
Barbarian
Spellthief
Totemist
Artificer
Monk
Beguiler
Warlock
Swordsage
Binder
Druid
Dread Necromancer
Bard
Psion
Sorcerer
Favored Soul

Unsaved:
Ranger
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Dragon Shaman
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]
The mind transcends the body.
It's also a little cold because of that.
Please get it a blanket.

I wish I could read your mind,
I can barely read mine.

"Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."

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"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill

To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
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There is no higher price than 'free'.

"I won't die. I've been ordered not to die."

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Re: Favourite Class game [3.5]
« Reply #639 on: March 30, 2009, 06:33:53 PM »
[spoiler=As I said, they need to live on!]Saved:                     
Wizard
Scout
Soulknife
Wilder
Rogue
Cleric
Psychic Warrior
Hexblade
Fighter
Duskblade
Ninja
Factotum
Dragonfire Adept
Warblade
Archivist
Barbarian
Spellthief
Totemist
Artificer
Monk
Beguiler
Warlock
Swordsage
Binder
Druid
Dread Necromancer
Bard
Psion
Sorcerer
Favored Soul
Dragon Shaman

Unsaved:
Ranger
Crusader
Swashbuckler
Shadowcaster
Paladin
Wu Jen
Erudite
Incarnate

Lost:
40th:Marshall
41st:Spirit Shaman
42nd:Knight
43rd:Ardent
44th:Healer
45th:Lurk
46th:Truenamer
47th:Warmage
48th:Samurai
49th:Divine Mind
50th:Shugenja [/spoiler]
[Spoiler]
Quote from: Runestar
the most effective optimization is the one you can actually get away with.  :smirk

Quote from: Vinom
(A group of nerds are called a murder because like crows we are anti-social, like shiny things, and often squack at each other over nothing for hours)

I often have to remind people not to underrate divination.  The ability to effectively metagame without actually metagaming beats the ability to set things on fire more times than not.
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Binder? You're Welcome

Zceryll makes Binders go from tier 3 to tier 2.
Cagemarrow is a Genius

Before giving the advice that build X would be better of with Fist of the Forest, take a long, good look at Primal Living. Twice.