So first piece of advice, get DMM: Quicken or Persist for Divine Might and etc. I'll go look up the Saint and see what it provides to your defences.
Needs more Cleric (and maybe Sacred Fist) and less Monk. Like... by a lot.
less Monk. Like... by a lot.
So first piece of advice, get DMM: Quicken or Persist for Divine Might and etc. I'll go look up the Saint and see what it provides to your defences.
So i would then drop Superior Unarmed Attack and grab Quicken or Persist (Extend with Planning domain) and DMM of that with 18.Needs more Cleric (and maybe Sacred Fist) and less Monk. Like... by a lot.
The problem with less Monk would be, that i couldnt take Sanctify Ki Strike, Holy Ki Strike, and Fist of heavens, since they require Ki Strike (lawful).
Edit: I took Lvl 11 Monk due to Greater Flurry, would it be better to drop that for +1 caster level?
Haha, ok got you ^^
But i don't want to play a caster, i really only went there to get "Fly" and "Divine Might". Also what would i be doing with those empty feat slots?
Haha, ok got you ^^
But i don't want to play a caster, i really only went there to get "Fly" and "Divine Might". Also what would i be doing with those empty feat slots?
Being a cleric and going to sacred fist does't necessarily make you a "caster." It makes you better at what you want to do (beating things with your fists) because you'll get access to buffs sooner and you'll get access to better buffs later on. It's only as much caster or melee as you play it. More cleric levels and earlier entry to sacred fist just gives you versatility.
Another vote for Monk 2/Cleric 6/Sacred Fist 10. If your DM goes by text-trumps-tables then this is a 16th-level caster, if not then 14th. This is an important distinction because at 15th level you get the spells Embrace the Dark Chaos and Shun the Dark Chaos which allow you to turn all of those useless Exalted feats into something workable, although you'll have to do a 180 on your Law/Chaos axis at some point between here and there. Sure you'd be an Ex-Monk at that point, but there's worse things than being an Ex-Monk.Wouldn't ordered chaos help him with that?
No, it won't, because you've already taken a level of Cleric, anyway, and therefore can't advance more Monk. The penalty for becoming a non-lawful monk is that you can't advance more Monk, you keep literally everything else. As such, taking the Ordered Chaos feat would just be a waste of a feat.Another vote for Monk 2/Cleric 6/Sacred Fist 10. If your DM goes by text-trumps-tables then this is a 16th-level caster, if not then 14th. This is an important distinction because at 15th level you get the spells Embrace the Dark Chaos and Shun the Dark Chaos which allow you to turn all of those useless Exalted feats into something workable, although you'll have to do a 180 on your Law/Chaos axis at some point between here and there. Sure you'd be an Ex-Monk at that point, but there's worse things than being an Ex-Monk.Wouldn't ordered chaos help him with that?
But you'd retrain the feat anyway with Embrace/Shun combo, so it doesn't really matter.No, it won't, because you've already taken a level of Cleric, anyway, and therefore can't advance more Monk. The penalty for becoming a non-lawful monk is that you can't advance more Monk, you keep literally everything else. As such, taking the Ordered Chaos feat would just be a waste of a feat.Another vote for Monk 2/Cleric 6/Sacred Fist 10. If your DM goes by text-trumps-tables then this is a 16th-level caster, if not then 14th. This is an important distinction because at 15th level you get the spells Embrace the Dark Chaos and Shun the Dark Chaos which allow you to turn all of those useless Exalted feats into something workable, although you'll have to do a 180 on your Law/Chaos axis at some point between here and there. Sure you'd be an Ex-Monk at that point, but there's worse things than being an Ex-Monk.Wouldn't ordered chaos help him with that?
Cleric 3/Monk 2/Sacred Fist 3/Prestige Paladin 1/Sacred Fist +7/Cleric PrCs 2
But you'd retrain the feat anyway with Embrace/Shun combo, so it doesn't really matter.No, it won't, because you've already taken a level of Cleric, anyway, and therefore can't advance more Monk. The penalty for becoming a non-lawful monk is that you can't advance more Monk, you keep literally everything else. As such, taking the Ordered Chaos feat would just be a waste of a feat.Another vote for Monk 2/Cleric 6/Sacred Fist 10. If your DM goes by text-trumps-tables then this is a 16th-level caster, if not then 14th. This is an important distinction because at 15th level you get the spells Embrace the Dark Chaos and Shun the Dark Chaos which allow you to turn all of those useless Exalted feats into something workable, although you'll have to do a 180 on your Law/Chaos axis at some point between here and there. Sure you'd be an Ex-Monk at that point, but there's worse things than being an Ex-Monk.Wouldn't ordered chaos help him with that?
Feats:
3: Combat Casting
6: Persist Spell
9: DMM: Persist Spell
12:
15:
18:
Which feats should I take? Extra Turning till the end, or also something else?
I can't use nightsticks or any other items that increase my turn attempts, because i play a Vow of Poverty character.
Extend spell will be available through the planning domain :)
Then, the only way you can get Greater Mighty Wallop'd is through a friendly arcane spellcaster. Good luck with that...
OP: "Help me build a VoP Saint Monk"
Everyone: "Needs more caster levels, dump monk for cleric."
:sherlock
Something doesn't seem right here.
Snap Kick is only -2.*smacks head* D'oh. >.<
Until you start doing the Embrace/Shun combo (level 15), however, you've still wasted a feat.But you'd retrain the feat anyway with Embrace/Shun combo, so it doesn't really matter.No, it won't, because you've already taken a level of Cleric, anyway, and therefore can't advance more Monk. The penalty for becoming a non-lawful monk is that you can't advance more Monk, you keep literally everything else. As such, taking the Ordered Chaos feat would just be a waste of a feat.Another vote for Monk 2/Cleric 6/Sacred Fist 10. If your DM goes by text-trumps-tables then this is a 16th-level caster, if not then 14th. This is an important distinction because at 15th level you get the spells Embrace the Dark Chaos and Shun the Dark Chaos which allow you to turn all of those useless Exalted feats into something workable, although you'll have to do a 180 on your Law/Chaos axis at some point between here and there. Sure you'd be an Ex-Monk at that point, but there's worse things than being an Ex-Monk.Wouldn't ordered chaos help him with that?
@Gods, all melee classes suck vs casters, all casters suck vs pun-pun.We have our hatred of monks and have said so multiple times. Don't like it, don't post.
I fail to care about your point. OP has his theme and has said so multiple times. Don't like it, don't post.
Oh I agree, simplest way of replacing monk would be to say "unarmed swordsage".
I try not to give bad advice, even when solicited. I doubt the Ops going to zombielike follow the advice if he dislikes it. The fluff of the monk is easily reflavoured to fit though.
Hi there, i am playing in a homebrewn setting and wanted to play a human Vop Saint Monk. ... This is my current build, not sure about sacred fist but the guides told me i had to fly at higher levels :DRead guide? Can't be, I R reading teh word monk. More cleric!
But i don't want to play a caster,Too bad, needs moar cleric!
Wowowow, easy pal :DThat is apparently what he wants to play as, posts otherwise are, as Blade puts it.
First of all, we are lvl 2 now and human Vop Saint Monk is set, that's what i wanna play :)
I sorry, I too am just as screwed up as you are. However, I don't extend my dislike for a person to cover all the things they like as well and consider 2 levels of monk useful nor do I answer every post ever with incantatrix/shadowcraft because all things suck in comparison. Hell with splat book items even the NPC warrior class can kick a lot of ass.@Gods, all melee classes suck vs casters, all casters suck vs pun-pun.We have our hatred of monks and have said so multiple times. Don't like it, don't post.
I fail to care about your point. OP has his theme and has said so multiple times. Don't like it, don't post.
That is apparently what he wants to play as, posts otherwise are, as Blade puts it.You might wanna fix that.(http://www.allouttabubblegum.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Blade.jpg)
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