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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #980 on: March 17, 2011, 10:05:28 PM »
They are, I changed them to "thematic" feats. Whatever that is. Extra turning was ok, for one.

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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #981 on: March 17, 2011, 10:10:46 PM »
Hmm...so divinish feats. They have their uses.
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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #982 on: March 17, 2011, 11:34:00 PM »
Then that's a lot of free feats, indeed.
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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #983 on: March 18, 2011, 06:03:30 AM »
Grappling:
Ok...again I suddenly don't understand a rule I've been using for ages. Duh.

Now, upon re-reading everything, this is how I see it:You need IUS or the monk class feature to deal lethal damage in a grapple. Natural weapons count like normal weapons - you use them with attack rolls at -4.  And in any case, the base warforged slam attack deals 1d4, improved to 1d8 when huge, 2d6 when gargantuan.
You can't use them in opposed grapple checks. And base unarmed damage.... blows. It's 1d3 non-lethal base for a medium creature, which means a gargantuan creature deals about 1d8. Which still blows.

So let's just say the Adamantine Body feat changes this: You get a 1d6 slam, deal 1d6 unarmed (as medium) and lethal, but still provoke against armed opponents. Because it doesn't make sense that a gentle embrace of steel doesn't deal lethal damage.

And then there's armour spikes. Thistle has been using them in the way that they simply add to the unarmed base damage. So it's 3d6 bludgeoning, 3d6 piercing, +Str. I'm not quite sure that's what's intended, but the complete lack of a proper explanation, and the funny wording the armour section of the SRD seems to suggest he's right.

Now I've checked again, actually you can't crit on an opposed check, so you can't crit on a grapple.

So just roll damage for the second grapple check.

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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #984 on: March 18, 2011, 06:12:45 AM »
Er...I just read the SRD and it says if you do nonlethal damage its normal and lethal damage at -4, unless you are a monk or have a natural attack.

Edit: And slams are natural attacks which should not provoke AoO...
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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #985 on: March 18, 2011, 06:52:31 AM »
Ummm.... yes, that's what I said, except attack rolls go vs. AC, which you can't hit. And you can't use your natural weapons in opposed grapple checks.

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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #986 on: March 18, 2011, 07:28:05 AM »
I already rolled damage for the second grapple check...

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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #987 on: March 18, 2011, 07:37:11 AM »
Yes, I realized that, afterwards.

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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #988 on: March 18, 2011, 07:48:58 AM »
and I saw your IC post after posting here...  :p

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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #989 on: March 18, 2011, 08:45:41 AM »
Grappling in 3.5E is notorious for a reason...

Also, we were pretty lucky the Vrock fumbled his AoO.
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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #990 on: March 18, 2011, 10:50:14 AM »
Yes, indeed.

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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #991 on: March 18, 2011, 01:40:10 PM »
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I'm going to wait until some more people have reacted to Mael's call.
Waiting on the actions between the other Vrocks, in case you were wondering.
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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #992 on: March 18, 2011, 02:12:19 PM »
I'm waiting for Daelric, too.

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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #993 on: March 19, 2011, 12:45:35 PM »
@BP: I thought the Vrocks had readied actions? If so they go before Mael, if not he goes before them.

edit: Round 11? It should still be on. It will expire next round or the one after (let's say next round since I can't bothered to check). The Vrocks who failed their save will be shaken for 1 more round after it expires.

Hmm, reading the text of Inspire Awe, I'm going to need another ruling:
- should the enemies who have not succumbed be forced to save every round as long as they are in the area? I hadn't noticed but I'm suspecting they should repeat the saving throws.
- if the answer to the above is no, if an enemy who successfully saved moves out and back into the area, should he save again? I'd think the answer is yes.
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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #994 on: March 20, 2011, 09:43:17 AM »
Hmmm.... I have to read the text of it again,too. It's pretty powerful if it requires a save every round, but then the immediate benefit is lower than inspire courage...

I'll get back to you, and put in some saves. But probably, due to iterative probability, if they save every round they all end up at least shaken pretty quickly.

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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #995 on: March 20, 2011, 08:10:27 PM »
I don't really mind either way... The 2nd possibility would have Mael move back and forth which could be fun for you - and strange. Or we keep the 1st but they get a bonus for each successful save... no, that's more bookkeeping.

So who is up? Vrocks or Mael?
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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #996 on: March 20, 2011, 08:59:43 PM »
Sorry, I've had stuff to do, I'll get back to organising these things tomorrow.

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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #997 on: March 21, 2011, 12:48:53 PM »
Did we just begin round 12, or are we finishing up 11?
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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #998 on: March 21, 2011, 12:50:23 PM »
Finishing 11 as far as Mael was concerned. Not sure about Torgthen.
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Re: OOC discussion
« Reply #999 on: March 21, 2011, 12:54:40 PM »
We're in round 11, still.