Templates/Monsterous Races for a few characters

[BeholderSlayer]

I'm not an expert on templates or monsterous races, so I'm gonna ask for some help with a few. I need them for:
- Rogue skillmonkey
- Evil cleric
- Warblade or Paladin of Tyranny
- Barbarian

Dark Creature looks nice for the rogue, but I'm sure there's better options. I'm going through the tier system for templates right now. Trying to limit each to a cumulative total of +3 LA.

[geniussavant]

I'm just going from memory, but feral might be good for the barbarian(+1 la) as might mineral warrior(+2?) or half minotaur(+1) or some combination of the three, half-fey might be another option for the rouge(+2) maybe Anthropomorphic Bat for the cleric, I can't think of anything for the warblade/paladin though

http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=8884 might help you too

[PhaedrusXY]

I'm not an expert on templates or monsterous races, so I'm gonna ask for some help with a few. I need them for:
- Rogue skillmonkey

There are lots. I really like the Marrulurk from Sandstorm, but the loss of 1st level skill points will hurt if you're looking purely for a skillmonkey role.

- Evil cleric

Necropolitan Evolved Undead? What role is this cleric going to play mostly? Gravetouched Ghoul (Libris Mortis) is also pretty good.

- Warblade or Paladin of Tyranny
- Barbarian

Mineral Warrior and Feral are good for almost any beatstick. Draconic might be worth looking at, also. Protocreature from the Bestiary of Krynn is also a good template for barbarian types if you don't mind dumping your mental stats.

[BeholderSlayer]

Cleric will share healing battlefield control and healing duties with the sorcerer (I'm going to let him fluff up a deity for Healing domain Divine Sorcery). I expect in the long run he'll probably have a small horde of undead at his beckoning as well.

[Amechra]

Lycanthropy for the Barbarian?

I'm pretty sure there 's a good, High Str low HD animal out there.

[Prime32]

Lycanthropy for the Barbarian?

I'm pretty sure there 's a good, High Str low HD animal out there.

See Lycanthropy Handbook.

Also, I have a modified lycanthrope template that's a little easier to swallow: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=9175

[carnivore]

- Rogue skillmonkey ............................ Dark 1/2 Fey
- Evil cleric ....................................... as PhaedrusXY said
- Warblade or Paladin of Tyranny .......... Blooded one Phrenic
- Barbarian ....................................... Blooded one Feral 1/2 Minotaur

 

[jameswilliamogle]

Is it a "face" Rogue by chance?  I'm a fan of Phrenic Whispergnome with the Magic-in-the-Blood feat if it is.

Otherwise, I'd favor the Poisondusk Lizardfolk.

[carnivore]

Shadow Walker 1/2 Fey with magic in the blood is even better for a Face character .... at will Charm Person

 

[Ithamar]

Barbarians & Warblades <3 Lolth!

Hard to beat +6 STR & CON for only +1 LA.

[BeholderSlayer]

Do the Half Ogre and Half Minotaur templates add strength just for size? I know they both get the +4 strength as listed. Do they not also get more strength for going up a size category? Or am I just making shit up? 

Kindof new to all this template stuff.

[Archao]

Do the Half Ogre and Half Minotaur templates add strength just for size? I know they both get the +4 strength as listed. Do they not also get more strength for going up a size category? Or am I just making shit up?  

Kindof new to all this template stuff.

Yes, if they increase your size, you get even more stat increase. For medium to large, Half-Mino goes from +4 strength to +12.

[BeholderSlayer]

Do the Half Ogre and Half Minotaur templates add strength just for size? I know they both get the +4 strength as listed. Do they not also get more strength for going up a size category? Or am I just making shit up?  

Kindof new to all this template stuff.

Yes, if they increase your size, you get even more stat increase. For medium to large, Half-Mino goes from +4 strength to +12.

That's what I thought. Heh, the look on my players' faces when I tell them their beatsticks can have 30 strength out of the box is going to be hilarious. I think I'm going to have to go to Campaign: Hard Mode on this one.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Unseelie fey on the paladin of tyranny?

The template the rogue should take is so glaringly obvious as to not be worth mentioning.

[Archao]

Unseelie fey on the paladin of tyranny?

The template the rogue should take is so glaringly obvious as to not be worth mentioning.

If it hasn't been mentioned yet, you should. You've got me all curious now.

[Maat_Mons]

Yes, if they increase your size, you get even more stat increase. For medium to large, Half-Mino goes from +4 strength to +12.

Are you certain?  The rules say:

The only reference I can find to changing ability scores due to size changes is in the section on increasing hit dice. 

[Archao]

Normally, yes, an increase in HD is how a creature grows in size, but Half-Minotaur can also do it.

Size and Type: The base creature's type does not change. If the base creature is of Small or Medium size, it gains one size category, becoming Medium or Large respectively. See Table 4-2: Changes to Statistics by Size in the Monster Manual for changes to the base creature when it gains a size category. The changes in this template are in addition to the changes outlined there.

The underlined portions are the reason for an additional +8 Strength. (if you're going from Medium to Large, that is)

[BeholderSlayer]

Unseelie fey on the paladin of tyranny?

The template the rogue should take is so glaringly obvious as to not be worth mentioning.

If it hasn't been mentioned yet, you should. You've got me all curious now.

TML is suggesting Ghost, as usual. 

[Maat_Mons]

The underlined portions are the reason for an additional +8 Strength. (if you're going from Medium to Large, that is)

Thanks, I don't have that issue.