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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2010, 05:21:20 PM »
Quote from: The_Mad_Linguist on November 03, 2010, 05:15:57 PM
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Dude... holy crap. You definitely WIN! Why kill everyone when you can just brainwash them into being your slaves? And why do it with one at a time when you can do it with everyone? :D
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2010, 06:51:47 PM »
I. Need. This. On. My. Warmage. Mailman.

Irresistable Brimstone Magic Missile. You're on fire now.

No save. Ever. You are now permanently on fire.

Sure, it's 1d6 a round, but it's 1d6 that you can't save your way out of...

Only works because the being set on fire is part of the spell, and so any spells are part of the spell effect...
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Sounds fine to me.
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might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2010, 06:59:27 PM »
Arcane Thesis Wings of Flurry was already nice, and making it irresistable means nobody else gets to have actions.  That's pretty much a game winner, though you'll likely want Practical Metamagic (Irresistable Spell) and Easy Metamagic (Irresistable Spell) to bring down the cost.

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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2010, 07:10:01 PM »
Quote from: PhaedrusXY on November 03, 2010, 05:21:20 PM
Quote from: The_Mad_Linguist on November 03, 2010, 05:15:57 PM
On Illusory Scripts as an ad for your restaurant.

NEW KFWizard CHICKEN WINGS!

IRRESISTIBLY DELICIOUS!
Dude... holy crap. You definitely WIN! Why kill everyone when you can just brainwash them into being your slaves? And why do it with one at a time when you can do it with everyone? :D
well chicken infested already has a requirement of a spell component pouch so I could see this happening. I may even have to include it in my game soon.
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2010, 09:49:48 PM »
Somewhat off-topic, but is there any reason why DMM: Envelope the Wall is not completely preferable to DMM: Heighten (especially since there's no 9th level cap for Envelope the Wall)?
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2010, 09:52:08 PM »
Quote from: Tohron on November 03, 2010, 09:49:48 PM
Somewhat off-topic, but is there any reason why DMM: Envelope the Wall is not completely preferable to DMM: Heighten (especially since there's no 9th level cap for Envelope the Wall)?
The only thing I can think of is that Envelope the Wall is a Capmapign specific feat and an obscure one at that,while heighten is core.....
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2010, 09:52:45 PM »
Quote from: Tohron on November 03, 2010, 09:49:48 PM
Somewhat off-topic, but is there any reason why DMM: Envelope the Wall is not completely preferable to DMM: Heighten (especially since there's no 9th level cap for Envelope the Wall)?

I think the feat is badly written... they mean that you're increasing the spell slot to get a +2 per spell slot level increase.  But you're right, it says increase the spell level, which is hilarious.  Though with that said Earth Spell makes Heighten Spell better.

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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2010, 01:03:44 AM »
Quote from: betrayor on November 03, 2010, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: Tohron on November 03, 2010, 09:49:48 PM
Somewhat off-topic, but is there any reason why DMM: Envelope the Wall is not completely preferable to DMM: Heighten (especially since there's no 9th level cap for Envelope the Wall)?
The only thing I can think of is that Envelope the Wall is a Capmapign specific feat and an obscure one at that,while heighten is core.....

Technically, Kingdoms of Kalamar Player's Guide is Core Rulebook IV. Just nobody actually thinks of it that way.
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2010, 02:25:14 AM »
Quote from: RelentlessImp on November 04, 2010, 01:03:44 AM
Quote from: betrayor on November 03, 2010, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: Tohron on November 03, 2010, 09:49:48 PM
Somewhat off-topic, but is there any reason why DMM: Envelope the Wall is not completely preferable to DMM: Heighten (especially since there's no 9th level cap for Envelope the Wall)?
The only thing I can think of is that Envelope the Wall is a Capmapign specific feat and an obscure one at that,while heighten is core.....

Technically, Kingdoms of Kalamar Player's Guide is Core Rulebook IV. Just nobody actually thinks of it that way.
The back cover is like a TO tower shield. 

The entire book gains core by using it to grant core.
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2010, 03:20:12 AM »
The 3.5 update changed irresistible spell.  Now it increase the DC by +10. 
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2010, 03:43:13 AM »
Is this Official material?
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6: Skill based. Commoner, Expert, Samurai.
5: Mundane warrior. Barbarian, Fighter, Monk.
4: Partial casters. Adapt, Hexblade, Paladin, Ranger, Spelltheif.
3: Focused casters. Bard, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Martial Adapts, Warmage.
2: Full casters. Favored Soul, Psion, Sorcerer, Wu Jen.
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2010, 05:16:04 AM »
The new version is from Kingdoms of Kalamar: Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands.  The old version is from Kingdoms of Kalamar: Player's Guide.  They're both published by Kenzer and Company.  The new book is the 3.5 update of the old book (and adds over 80 pages of new material, according to the back cover).  

But to answer your question, I don't regard either book as official.  I just figure, if you accept one, why not accept the other?  
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2010, 06:44:46 AM »
Ahh. Good I haven't missed a +10 to save DCs metamagic feat in the last couple of years.
Because that would be awkward if I did.
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[spoiler]Tiers break down into who has spellcasting more than anything else due to spells being better than anything else in the game.
6: Skill based. Commoner, Expert, Samurai.
5: Mundane warrior. Barbarian, Fighter, Monk.
4: Partial casters. Adapt, Hexblade, Paladin, Ranger, Spelltheif.
3: Focused casters. Bard, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Martial Adapts, Warmage.
2: Full casters. Favored Soul, Psion, Sorcerer, Wu Jen.
1: Elitists. Artificer, Cleric, Druid, Wizard.
0: Gods. StP Erudite, Illthid Savant, Pun-Pun, Rocks fall & you die.
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2010, 07:05:57 AM »
Quote from: SorO_Lost on November 04, 2010, 03:43:13 AM
Is this Official material?
It's "Officially Licensed" by WotC .... which means it's 2nd-party (i.e., essentially, somebody paid WotC for the use of their name and non-OGL material).  Which also means that it's as official as you accept Ravenloft to be.
(1st party being actual WotC-produced stuff; 3rd party being stuff that just happens to use OGL)

The thing is, a lot of these 2nd-party guys actually worked for TSR back in the day; which is, I assume, why they trusted these guys enough to actually let them use the WotC "seal of approval".
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2010, 07:20:55 AM »
They're allowed to reprint stuff from other WotC books and use the official logo. 
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2010, 09:20:45 AM »
Quote from: Amechra on November 03, 2010, 06:51:47 PM
I. Need. This. On. My. Warmage. Mailman.

Irresistable Brimstone Magic Missile. You're on fire now.

No save. Ever. You are now permanently on fire.

Sure, it's 1d6 a round, but it's 1d6 that you can't save your way out of...

Only works because the being set on fire is part of the spell, and so any spells are part of the spell effect...
Hrm gives me an idea for a niche L9 Dragon Shaman who constantly is on fire...
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2010, 04:41:18 PM »
Quote from: jameswilliamogle on November 04, 2010, 09:20:45 AM
Quote from: Amechra on November 03, 2010, 06:51:47 PM
I. Need. This. On. My. Warmage. Mailman.

Irresistable Brimstone Magic Missile. You're on fire now.

No save. Ever. You are now permanently on fire.

Sure, it's 1d6 a round, but it's 1d6 that you can't save your way out of...

Only works because the being set on fire is part of the spell, and so any spells are part of the spell effect...
Hrm gives me an idea for a niche L9 Dragon Shaman who constantly is on fire...
Or an unarmed swordsage...
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Tiers explained in 8 sentences. With examples!
[spoiler]Tiers break down into who has spellcasting more than anything else due to spells being better than anything else in the game.
6: Skill based. Commoner, Expert, Samurai.
5: Mundane warrior. Barbarian, Fighter, Monk.
4: Partial casters. Adapt, Hexblade, Paladin, Ranger, Spelltheif.
3: Focused casters. Bard, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Martial Adapts, Warmage.
2: Full casters. Favored Soul, Psion, Sorcerer, Wu Jen.
1: Elitists. Artificer, Cleric, Druid, Wizard.
0: Gods. StP Erudite, Illthid Savant, Pun-Pun, Rocks fall & you die.
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2010, 04:09:01 PM »
Bonefiddle, just for fun...
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2010, 04:35:09 PM »
Quote from: Nunkuruji on November 05, 2010, 04:09:01 PM
Bonefiddle, just for fun...

I'll Twiddle your Bone Flute?

Edit: sorry, this spell always makes my mind go to the gutter.  Oh who am I kidding, my mind is always there anyway :D
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Re: Irresistible Spell Optimization
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2010, 05:02:37 PM »
More like Saw 3D
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