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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2010, 07:39:35 PM »
See if your DM will allow you to convert a Warlock somehow; Eldritch Theurge combines wonderfully with Warmage.
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On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2010, 03:04:21 AM »
See if your DM will allow you to convert a Warlock somehow; Eldritch Theurge combines wonderfully with Warmage.
Cant. Have to be evil or chaotic.
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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2010, 09:06:33 PM »
See if your DM will allow you to convert a Warlock somehow; Eldritch Theurge combines wonderfully with Warmage.
Cant. Have to be evil or chaotic.
That is why I said convert. If your DM is amenable, create a Warlock based of just pure contract making. I.E. Lawful.

Or, if you haven't started yet, there is always starting off as a Chaotic Cleric of St. Cuthbert, through the use of that wonderful feat Heretic of the Faith.

Warmages can afford some lost caster levels.
[spoiler]Fighter: "I can kill a guy in one turn."
Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn."
Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn."
Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me."

On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

This is the Min/Max board. We should be able to figure out a way to optimize the POWER OF PRAYER(TM) that doesn't involve "Pazuzu, Pazuzu, Pazuzu".
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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2010, 01:15:26 PM »
See if your DM will allow you to convert a Warlock somehow; Eldritch Theurge combines wonderfully with Warmage.
Cant. Have to be evil or chaotic.
That is why I said convert. If your DM is amenable, create a Warlock based of just pure contract making. I.E. Lawful.

Or, if you haven't started yet, there is always starting off as a Chaotic Cleric of St. Cuthbert, through the use of that wonderful feat Heretic of the Faith.

Warmages can afford some lost caster levels.
The DM play, mostly, by the books.

We (the party) all are military trained and obey the laws of a kingdom that believe only in St. Cuthbert. If I stray from my path, that will be reported by the Cleric. In fact, the Knight is taking notes as if she was writting small reports of our travels (she loves role-playing). It may sound demanding, but it turn out to be fun to play.

Oh, i guess i should have said this, but i forgot, my PC is LN because how i wanted to roleplay was not accepted as Good. Honestly, i still think LG was acceptable because it was very much like the Holy Scourge (obliterating evil) but i could care less as long as I can roleplay how i want to.
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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2010, 03:44:53 PM »
The Mage of the Arcane Order, might help outside of battle... I didnt understand it at first, but I can pay the debt just before i need it again or before going to sleep. Interesting option. BUT there would be a chance of arcane spell failure... sad. Have to talk about it with the DM...
I don't understand why you'd incur ASF. You're still a warmage. You don't suddenly become a wizard because you can cast the occasional spell from their spell list via MotAO anymore than you do when you pick a spell from their list via your Advanced Learning class feature...
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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2010, 05:47:59 PM »
See if your DM will allow you to convert a Warlock somehow; Eldritch Theurge combines wonderfully with Warmage.
Cant. Have to be evil or chaotic.
That is why I said convert. If your DM is amenable, create a Warlock based of just pure contract making. I.E. Lawful.

Or, if you haven't started yet, there is always starting off as a Chaotic Cleric of St. Cuthbert, through the use of that wonderful feat Heretic of the Faith.

Warmages can afford some lost caster levels.
The DM play, mostly, by the books.

We (the party) all are military trained and obey the laws of a kingdom that believe only in St. Cuthbert. If I stray from my path, that will be reported by the Cleric. In fact, the Knight is taking notes as if she was writting small reports of our travels (she loves role-playing). It may sound demanding, but it turn out to be fun to play.

Oh, i guess i should have said this, but i forgot, my PC is LN because how i wanted to roleplay was not accepted as Good. Honestly, i still think LG was acceptable because it was very much like the Holy Scourge (obliterating evil) but i could care less as long as I can roleplay how i want to.

Alright, fair enough.
[spoiler]Fighter: "I can kill a guy in one turn."
Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn."
Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn."
Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me."

On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

This is the Min/Max board. We should be able to figure out a way to optimize the POWER OF PRAYER(TM) that doesn't involve "Pazuzu, Pazuzu, Pazuzu".
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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2010, 09:41:10 PM »
The Mage of the Arcane Order, might help outside of battle... I didnt understand it at first, but I can pay the debt just before i need it again or before going to sleep. Interesting option. BUT there would be a chance of arcane spell failure... sad. Have to talk about it with the DM...
I don't understand why you'd incur ASF. You're still a warmage. You don't suddenly become a wizard because you can cast the occasional spell from their spell list via MotAO anymore than you do when you pick a spell from their list via your Advanced Learning class feature...
hmmm *reads* ...the spell somehow comes to your mind, so it is as if you had it on your list during that turn. Yeah, you are right.

Guess i got confused when the book said that armored mage doesn't apply to spell gained from a different spellcasting class.... Wait... Now that i look at it again, is actually arguable if there is ASF from any spell you learn thats not on the original list and advance learning, but i guess that would kill the best thing about the class and also be a little dump. This could also be referring to a spell gained from another base class (such as wizard for example), and thats how everyone see it i guess.
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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2010, 10:17:57 PM »
Yeah.  It's only spells you cast via warmage, so a warmage4/wizard 16 has ASF for all his wizard shit.
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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2010, 06:53:07 AM »
Have you given a thought to the use of items to boost your spell list as well? Things like Know Stones, Runestaffs and a Drake Helm may be able to help fluff out your list a little.

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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2010, 07:32:16 AM »
OK.

First off, I'd like to point out that Rainbow Servant is not out of line for St Cuthbert. There is no reason why the Couatls are not servants of St Cuthbert to begin with. In fact, given the way both are more or less dedicated to law, order and general goodness, there is a good reason why they are at the very least allies, if not in a master/servant relationship (Couatls are not gods themselves).

That said, the Spellwarp Sniper from Complete Scoundrel is a good match if you are going the stealthy arcane caster way.

Incantatrix is also a good possibility, especially since you can use a lot of metamagic with your boom spells. Grab the Rapid Metamagic feat and you are good to go.

By all accounts, War Mage is pretty solid too, but I have never seen the PrC, so I can't say for sure.

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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2010, 08:48:23 AM »
Well you could go Incantrix? Combine some metamagic reducers and Searing Spell to make all of your fire spells trump energy resistances and immunity if needed.

Or using the PHB II Variant rules you can get a few spells added to your list enough for Abjurant Champion and you get the shield spell as a lvl 2 spell instead of lvl 1.

Abjurant champion gives you an awesome BAB for your spells. I also made Spellwarp Sniper work as a fun one.

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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2010, 11:34:43 PM »
War Mage IS awesome; +3 damage per dice that the spell does for 5 levels, +Cha to AC, and another goodie I can't remember at the moment? Sign me up.
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Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn."
Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn."
Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me."

On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2010, 05:01:25 AM »
Of course, as long as your DM doesn't find out about the later printing of War Mage which limits it to 3 times per day.
It's not a revised version per se, it just have the same name and almost exactly the same abilities, along with IIRC the same fluff.
So whether or not it's actually an update is arguable. Solo and I had a very short exhange of veiwpoints on the matter here.

I'm almost always partial to Frost Mage and cold spell optimization, so for what that's worth, I'll give another vote to that option.
Especially if your DM is kind enough to grant you a modified Acorn of far Travel, as archangel.arcanis had the pleasant experience with.
Something like Sapphire of the far North or somesuch.

Also, Force Missile Mage and Argent Savant does what they say they will do decently. They boost magic missile.
However, in the end you've lost a caster level for a slightly better magic missile. I'll let you do the math.
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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2010, 05:03:50 AM »
Hell, we ignore what the Complete Psionic did to the XPH, right?

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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2010, 05:14:56 AM »
Hell, we ignore what the Complete Psionic did to the XPH, right?

..bu....

..nowwaita...

...that's actually a pretty solid piece of argument I can't counter.

Considering I ignore the limit on Astral Constructs that Comp.Psi introduced.
I can't really claim to be consistent if I do the opposite here.
Also, I ignore those prereq. 8 ranks in knowledge (the Planes) for Fiend-Bloods, since ordinary Sorcerers lack that as a class skill. I highly doubt you'd print something that needs a substitution level from something so relatively obscure as the Manual of the Planes/Planar Handbook (I can never remember which is which) just to be able to take the whole PrC.

Now why didn't you say so last time :P
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the most effective optimization is the one you can actually get away with.  :smirk

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(A group of nerds are called a murder because like crows we are anti-social, like shiny things, and often squack at each other over nothing for hours)

I often have to remind people not to underrate divination.  The ability to effectively metagame without actually metagaming beats the ability to set things on fire more times than not.
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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2010, 05:20:57 AM »
Fiend Blooded is from Heroes of Horror.

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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2010, 05:27:23 AM »
I think someone from WotC once mentioned that it was supposed to be Knowledge the Plane 4, not 8. The writer was basically high with the birdies when he wrote that and thought Knowledge the Planes was a sorcerer class skill.

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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2010, 05:33:56 AM »
Fiend Blooded is from Heroes of Horror.

I know that, what I meant was that unless you pick the subtitution level for planar sorcerers, you won't gain K(the planes) as a class skill.
If you don't do that, you can enter Fiend-Blood at 14th level and enjoy fully 7 levels of a 10-level PrC.
The sample sorcerers in the book enters at 7th level.

My point is that I doubt you'd make a PrC in a book that requires you to take a rather unknown substitution level from a rather unused sourcebook just to be able to take the entire PrC pre-epic. Hence why I ignore the 8 ranks prereq. there and makes it into 3 ranks.
You'll need 5 levels of sorcerer and it's 6 skill points invested, but at least you can play the PrC as it was intended.

I think someone from WotC once mentioned that it was supposed to be Knowledge the Plane 4, not 8. The writer was basically high with the birdies when he wrote that and thought Knowledge the Planes was a sorcerer class skill.

Hah, am I suprised?
That still makes it inconsistent, as their sample sorcerers are Sorcerer 6/fiendblood X.
They ought to be sorcerer 8/fiendblood X then.

It's a shame one of the few good sorcerer-based PrC's had to be fucked up.


But we're drifting of topic here.
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the most effective optimization is the one you can actually get away with.  :smirk

Quote from: Vinom
(A group of nerds are called a murder because like crows we are anti-social, like shiny things, and often squack at each other over nothing for hours)

I often have to remind people not to underrate divination.  The ability to effectively metagame without actually metagaming beats the ability to set things on fire more times than not.
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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2010, 05:36:01 AM »
Umm... If it was Knowledge the Planes 4, then a 5th level Sorcerer would qualify skill-wise...

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Re: Prestige Classes for Warmage... no rainbow servant, please
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2010, 05:41:38 AM »
Bah, I really shouldn't try to do any math on 1 hour of effective sleep.
That's what you get for checking your schedule _after_ you've decided which buss to take to Uni and discovering your first class is at 14.00, after forcing yourself up at 06.00 with too little sleep in the system.

I'll be quiet now. :blush
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Quote from: Runestar
the most effective optimization is the one you can actually get away with.  :smirk

Quote from: Vinom
(A group of nerds are called a murder because like crows we are anti-social, like shiny things, and often squack at each other over nothing for hours)

I often have to remind people not to underrate divination.  The ability to effectively metagame without actually metagaming beats the ability to set things on fire more times than not.
[/quote]
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Binder? You're Welcome

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