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Arena Cleric, any "real"3.5 book open
« on: October 26, 2010, 01:46:38 PM »
So, ranged combat is pretty much out, as are spells that mess up vision (so no invisibility, fog, etc); this is due to the arena rules.  What's already present can't really be changed.  Dragon Mag is out, as is Tome of Magic and Tome of Battle.  The book not only has to be 3.5 edition WotC, but it also has to have been printed after 3.0 ended, currently (Savage Species, etc, is no good).  We only get a single round to buff up, so DMM: Peristent is less valuable than DMM: Quicken, and I'll be going with those later.  We can retrain as per the PHB2.

Evil Human Cleric 3
Domains: Time, Death <-Death will get retrained to Envy domain soon
1 Death Devotion, Profane Lifeleech, Improved Initiative <-Profane Lifeleech will get retrained for Quicken later
3 ? <-I took Shield Specialization, as its a prereq for Shield Ward, and I can use the AC immediately; I still welcome any other advice.  This will get retrained for Law Devotion (thanks!)

Spells
0 Summon Holy Symbol, Mend, Cure Minor Wounds, Virtue
1 Incite, Impede, Doom, True Strike (Domain)
2 Curse of Ill Fortune, Owl's Wisdom, Cause Fear (Domain)

I've defeated a meathead, and a pretty well-prepared caster (almost entirely by luck - I made 6 saves in a row).  Here's the sheet, but I don't think there's anything else relevant: http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=248408

What would you pick with that 3rd feat?  I'm torn between "right now" and "prepare for later".  I'm thinking about either shield specialization or zen archery.

Also, alchemical items are allowed, as are one-shot items, all at double cost.  I've got about 1500 gp left to burn through after armor and weapon, etc.  I've got a tanglefoot bag and some universal solvent, but what other items are out there in terms of similar power and cost?
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Re: Arena Cleric, any WotC open
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2010, 01:52:31 PM »
Sweet!  Source?

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Re: Arena Cleric, any WotC open
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2010, 02:07:36 PM »
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Re: Arena Cleric, any WotC open
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2010, 03:40:02 PM »
ah, crap...  Its actually not legal b/c of this: "any official 3.5e D&D Books "  Its not an official 3.5 book, so I could get screwed b/c of it.  I'll ask about it, specifically.

Any thoughts on the feat?
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Re: Arena Cleric, any WotC open
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2010, 10:00:04 PM »
Despite your thread title, your sources keep shrinking...
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Re: Arena Cleric, any WotC open
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2010, 10:28:09 PM »
ah, crap...  Its actually not legal b/c of this: "any official 3.5e D&D Books "  Its not an official 3.5 book, so I could get screwed b/c of it.  I'll ask about it, specifically.

Any thoughts on the feat?

How are non-updated 3.0 books not legally 3.5 material?

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Re: Arena Cleric, any WotC open
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2010, 08:36:24 AM »
Despite your thread title, your sources keep shrinking...
And the rules in the arena keep getting clarified, too (as in, only in the last 2 days).  

For example, the books allowed for character creation state "any official 3.5 WotC book".  We assumed it was the update Someone started playing a ghost from ghostwalk.  Well, it was printed in 3.0 days, and even has an official errata to update it to 3.5, but it isn't an actual 3.5 book, so it got the ban-hammer.  But, really, dealing with ghosts at low-level is probably going to be really tough, anyways, so there's some balance in there.

Someone before that was using a fullblade (my first combat), and I didn't question it.

Changed the thread title.

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Re: Arena Cleric, any "real"3.5 book open
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2010, 10:39:28 AM »
It cracks me up how many of us in this game are bringing characters and ideas over here.

What's his full alignment? If he's lawful then Law Devotion is a good choice for our arena.

Also, do you have any PrC plans/desires?

Is the cleric meat to be more fighting focused or caster focused? (i.e. what's higher, Str or Wis?)

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Re: Arena Cleric, any "real"3.5 book open
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2010, 11:15:13 AM »
Str and Wis are equal  :lmao.  There hasn't been any real updates to the Cleric Handbook in a longgggg time.  So, I'm winging it.  I want to PrC out, but its tough w/ an Int of 8 to make skill prereqs.  Think I'll retrain some stuff later.

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Re: Arena Cleric, any "real"3.5 book open
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2010, 02:23:23 PM »
Cloak of elemental protection, cost 1000 and can give you resist energy for when somebody throws an orb or something at you.

Sadly you are evil, and some good Cleric PrCs are good or neutral (Church Inquisitor, Servant of Pelor), but you can still get the nifty Divine Oracle when it comes to that.

Depending on your skills I'd probably grab knowledge devotion, or power attack, getting ready for Divine power at level 7.
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Re: Arena Cleric, any "real"3.5 book open
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2010, 02:50:02 PM »
Web content is out, I assume?
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Re: Arena Cleric, any "real"3.5 book open
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2010, 03:39:01 PM »
Web content is out, I assume?
Yessir, even if its just a supplement / update to a 3.5 book.

I found out that retraining IS available, and I could switch my alignment to neutral.  Actions even at low-level are really, really precious, and I don't think that RSoP is worth much in this environment.  I'll pick up Contemplative, for sure, but the Oracle Domain doesn't do anything for me (I do like the 2nd level benefit, but I don't think its worth the lower HP and feat loss).

I went with Shield Specialization, as its a prereq for Shield Ward (and there are a LOT of touch attacks in this arena, due to the rules), and I can the extra AC immediately.

I'll retrain Profane Lifeleech to Quicken Spell at 9th level, and take DMM: Quicken Spell at 9th.  We only get a single round to buff before the match, therefore DMM: Quicken Spell is much better for a straight Cleric.  I only have 5 turns per day, currently, but should be able to afford a Nightstick on top of normal equipment around then.  (That bolded section is important; I'll put that in the OP.)

I'll retrain the Death Domain to Envy Domain soon.  The spells on the Envy Domain are soooo much nicer (Ray of Enfeeblement now?  Limited Wish later?!?  WISH!??!?!).  I picked the Death Domain because it had a very flavorful Su ability, but killing the other gladiator with it means they are out and gone permanently, which isn't nice (I did that once already, b/c the character didn't really give me a choice and I was out of options).

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Re: Arena Cleric, any "real"3.5 book open
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2010, 03:41:28 PM »
Using magical locations is probably out of question? If, for any reason, they are in, you could purchase the skill focus from, I think, Frog God's Fane.

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Re: Arena Cleric, any "real"3.5 book open
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2010, 03:42:41 PM »
I'll ask about locations; thanks!  I thought about serving an Elder Evil, but the benefits didn't seem all that significant (+3 Intimidate is cool).

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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2010, 03:45:18 PM »
I'll ask about locations; thanks!  I thought about serving an Elder Evil, but the benefits didn't seem all that significant (+3 Intimidate is cool).
You get bonus feats. Some of them are quite good.
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Re: Arena Cleric, any "real"3.5 book open
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2010, 03:52:28 PM »
I'll ask about locations; thanks!  I thought about serving an Elder Evil, but the benefits didn't seem all that significant (+3 Intimidate is cool).
You get bonus feats. Some of them are quite good.
Like willing deformity (madness) for all your nonmagical mind-affecting immunity needs.

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Re: Arena Cleric, any "real"3.5 book open
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2010, 05:04:28 PM »
I'll ask about locations; thanks!  I thought about serving an Elder Evil, but the benefits didn't seem all that significant (+3 Intimidate is cool).
You get bonus feats. Some of them are quite good.
Like willing deformity (madness) for all your nonmagical mind-affecting immunity needs.
And it only costs 4 Wisdom!  My Cleric will rock!  Anyways, Necropolitan got approved.  However, since you gain a level when you defeat someone of equal or greater level no matter what, I can delay it for later when it wouldn't consume my entire Wealth by Level.

I've seen the list that you can pick from.  The table makes them look great, but the actual feat text makes them much less attractive ATM.  Later, when I can boost up my Cha, some may be alright.  And if they get approved I'll take them anyways, b/c it'll be awesome doing the Shun/Embrace shuffle and watching these guy's jaws drop.
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Re: Arena Cleric, any "real"3.5 book open
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2010, 05:32:35 PM »
Is taint in or out?
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Re: Arena Cleric, any "real"3.5 book open
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2010, 06:48:33 PM »
Definitely out.  That got ruled early.

So, Necropolitan would give me immunities, mainly, but cost a level.  I can do it later.  Currently, I'm among the highest levels for Clerics, so a Cleric would really have to want to turn me and build for it to get me really bad.
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