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RealMarkP

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Maneuver based melee classes
« on: October 12, 2010, 12:43:03 PM »
I love the way Maneuvers work, in principal, and would like to apply this globally. I'm wondering, has anyone created rules for the non-maneuver based classes (such as Fighter, barbarian, monk, etc) to have a maneuver progression? And, if anyone has looked into this, could you advise me if this is a good idea or not?
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Re: Maneuver based melee classes
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2010, 12:50:30 PM »
If you go back several pages in the House Rules forum, you might find some from bkdubs.  He did a lot of ToB-based stuff about a year ago or so.
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Re: Maneuver based melee classes
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2010, 12:53:23 PM »
There have been a few modified classes which add maneuvers (most notably the ranger and marshal).

If you want to use it "globally" though, I'd base maneuver progression on BAB.
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Re: Maneuver based melee classes
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2010, 12:55:17 PM »

As to whether or not it's a good idea: it's mixed.  ToB gives good options to melee characters and is lots of fun, but it's full of stupid trap options just like any other WotC book.  Still, it's not that hard to find a handful of disciplines to give to different classes.  It's a matter of figuring out how to balance them with the class features that's the trick.

Barbarian - Iron Heart?, Stone Dragon, Tiger Claw
Fighter - use a Warblade
Monk - use an unarmed Swordsage
Paladin - use a Crusader
Ranger - use RadicalTaoist's sublime way ranger.  I made a Raging Storm discipline for ranged maneuvers.
Rogue - Setting Sun?, Shadow Hand, Tiger Claw?
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Re: Maneuver based melee classes
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2010, 01:03:40 PM »
Quote from: RobbyPants on October 12, 2010, 12:55:17 PM
I made a Raging Storm discipline for ranged maneuvers.
Nice link. By the way, I'm very much open to homebrew maneuvers if anyone has them (I will definitely check out the homebrew forum as well).

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... but it's full of stupid trap options just like any other WotC book.
I would assume that anything that comes out of WotC can be either exploitable to the point of ridiculousness or useless.
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Re: Maneuver based melee classes
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2010, 01:06:26 PM »
I know Endarire redid the Stone Dragon Discipline.
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Re: Maneuver based melee classes
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2010, 03:24:03 PM »
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Re: Maneuver based melee classes
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2010, 02:20:35 AM »
Bum dum da dum:
http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-house-rules/201032-martial-compendium.html

Specifically this: http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-house-rules/187901-tob-bo9s-niffts-compendium.html

Niffft did several interesting disciplines, a few homebrew/modified classes and some racial subs.
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Re: Maneuver based melee classes
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2010, 02:24:13 AM »
Quote from: PhaedrusXY on October 12, 2010, 03:24:03 PM
This one seems interesting.
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99529
Any of the disciplines done by TheDementedOne are worth a look.
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Re: Maneuver based melee classes
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2010, 12:48:53 PM »
Boz is quite right about that. TheDementedOne's disciplines are top notch homebrew offerings. You can find them HERE (at the bottom).
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Re: Maneuver based melee classes
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2010, 06:17:07 PM »
Quote from: bkdubs123 on October 13, 2010, 12:48:53 PM
Boz is quite right about that. TheDementedOne's disciplines are top notch homebrew offerings. You can find them HERE (at the bottom).
I have that post bookmarked. :D
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Re: Maneuver based melee classes
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2010, 12:31:01 PM »
Excellent resources thus far.
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