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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2010, 05:39:00 AM »
I found a way but the DM will probably nix the idea.  Allows me to be an Archivist for the price of 1 feat!

Arcane Disciple from Complete Divine and select the spell domain to add to my list: cast anyspell/greater anyspell.

Edit: Nevermind...it only works if you are ALREADY an arcane caster.  Boo..

A better option is to take the Spell Domain, and the Customize Domain feat, which was from a Dragon magazine, whose number escapes me at the time (Listening to a lecture atm, or else I'd do some more research for you).

Spell Domain can be obtained using any prestige class that gives it to you. Contemplative?

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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2010, 09:14:20 AM »
Can't enter contemplative since it requires 13 ranks in KNowledge religion which is a cross class skill for Druids.

And Dragon mag stuff is iffy in most games...this DM doesn't allow flaws or LA buyoff or whatnot.  In some ways he is very permissove but he has his hands on the reign as well.

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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2010, 02:51:50 PM »
Knowledge devotion adds one knowledge skill as a class skill, which seems like it works pretty well.
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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2010, 03:07:27 PM »
Within your current limitations I think the best way is with a feat found in Lost Empires of Faerun.  I forget the name of the feat, but there is one that lets you burn a spell slot one level higher than the normal slot to cast a spell out of a charged item without using the charge.   Get a staff with the spell in it (staffs use the better of your caster level or theirs), and a few others you want, and use your slots.   You would still need use magic device and some equipment to boost up that skill check (circlet of persuasion).  Then you can pick up spells from any list as long as you have the money to buy a staff.  Dragon mag free, but campaign specific.



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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2010, 03:25:17 PM »
You could use a liberal interpretation of extra spell to pick up that one spell. That will cost you a feat though.

I honestly believe this is the best plan. If your DM will not allow this interpretation than he probably doesn't want you to have the spell anyway, and the cost is high enough that if he's willing for you to find a way, this is a reasonable way.

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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2010, 05:08:24 PM »
Just use Enhance Wild Shape Spell from SPC and assume a shape with termosense...

Polymorph solves everything.

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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2010, 03:50:28 AM »
Just use Enhance Wild Shape Spell from SPC and assume a shape with termosense...

Polymorph solves everything.
I think he wants to go to town in Dire Bear form and have tremorsense while doing so.

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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2010, 12:56:04 AM »
Actually I gave up Wild Shape in favor of some more useful ACFs for my build which won't progress wild shape enough to make it worthy.  I couls burn a feat I guess.

Question: would blindsense work?  It's a 3rd level Druid Spell...could that substitute for Tremorsense when moving through the ground?

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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2010, 01:17:49 AM »
more useful than wildshape? pray tell, what acf's were these?

i don't think blindsense works like tremorsense... i thought there was a tremorsense granting spell in the spell compendium....
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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2010, 01:21:51 AM »
It's a ranger spell...hence the title of this thread.

I am playing a Druid 5/Walker in the Wast 10/Druid 5.  I would only get an effective Druid level of 10 for Wildshaping and I'll be a Dry Lich anyways.  I traded out for the Deadly Hunter ACF, which works better on Dark Sun.

I'm an Asherati so I can burrow through sand and silt but I have to see using a glowing ability.  I would like Tremor/Blindsense so I can get surprise by burowing up under people without giving away my position by glowing.  Ergo I need Tremorsense or Blindsense if this would let me see who is walking on the surface.

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« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2010, 01:51:34 AM »
There's a graft in FF that gives tremorsense.
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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2010, 01:58:51 AM »
There are no illithid on Athas and we can only have two magic items.  Plus its weird...

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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2010, 01:59:55 AM »
It's not illithid, and it's technically not magical either.
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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2010, 05:38:24 AM »
Earth Sense feat in Races of Stone.

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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2010, 06:51:01 AM »
It's not illithid, and it's technically not magical either.
  Which graft are you referring to then?  I'm still 99% sure my DM won't allow it.

Earth Sense feat in Races of Stone.
...does not allow for pinpointing things.

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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2010, 07:29:59 AM »
Maug shudder plate.  Only 15 feet, but also only 8000 gp.

Anyway, technically speaking, grafts aren't magical items. 
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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2010, 08:22:37 AM »
Earth Sense feat in Races of Stone.
...does not allow for pinpointing things.
Do I need to put together a wall of text explaining lines and planes in three dimensions or can we skip that part and just have you take Earth Sense?

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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2010, 08:26:06 AM »
Earth Sense feat in Races of Stone.
...does not allow for pinpointing things.
Do I need to put together a wall of text explaining lines and planes in three dimensions or can we skip that part and just have you take Earth Sense?

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As long as you are touching the ground, you can take a move action to sense the number of creatures within 20 feet that are also touching the ground and the direction to each one. You cannot pinpoint the location of any creature with this feat.
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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2010, 08:30:57 AM »
Earth Sense feat in Races of Stone.
...does not allow for pinpointing things.
Do I need to put together a wall of text explaining lines and planes in three dimensions or can we skip that part and just have you take Earth Sense?

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As long as you are touching the ground, you can take a move action to sense the number of creatures within 20 feet that are also touching the ground and the direction to each one. You cannot pinpoint the location of any creature with this feat.


Technically with enough move actions, you could assuming the opponent is stationary. 
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Re: Learning other spell lists?
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2010, 09:15:21 AM »
Hey TML.  While you are here, can I ask you a tangeny?  Are there any good ways to render a target flat footed?  If I cower someone using Imperious Comand are they considered flat footed?