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Rekcuf

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Spell Selection Help!!!
« on: September 21, 2010, 08:19:13 PM »
Playing a Dragon Rider PrC in an epic level campaign.

Have a Great Wyrm Mercury Dragon as my Dragon Cohort/Mount

It has full casting as a 19th level sorc // 19th level divine as well as all Sun and Luck domains...

I can pick Sorc spells pretty well, but having to pick from divine as well... I'm way out of my element.  Please help!!!

I was thinking this as a list, please critique:

Lvl 1: 
Divine Favor
Omen of Peril
Identify
Color Spray

Lvl 2:
Calm Emotions
Make Whole
Arcane Lock
Knock
Magic Mouth

Lvl 3:
Resonating Bolt
Vampiric Touch
Energy Vulnerability
Wrack

Lvl 4:
Panacea
Sending
Dimension Door
Stoneskin

Lvl 5:
Scry Location
Teleport
Permanency
Subvert Planar Essence

Lvl 6:
Disintegrate
Heal
Greater Dispel Magic

Lvl 7:
Bestow Greater Curse
Greater Scrying
Energy Immunity

Lvl 8:
Polymorph Any Object
Visions of the Future
Greater Celerity

Lvl 9:
Wish
Time Stop
Astral Projection

Thanks in advance!!

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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2010, 11:11:01 PM »
Anyone?  Please?

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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 12:00:29 AM »
Give us some time.


First: Miracle is better than wish in pretty much every way imagineable.

Second: Guidance of the avatar gives a +20 competence bonus to a single skill check.

The ability to disintegrate an object pales in comparison to the power of telekinesis.  Replace disintegrate with something non-blasty, you don't seem to be getting much mileage out of permanency (and it can be duplicated with miracle in downtime anyway), so swap that out for telekinesis.
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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2010, 12:03:41 AM »
Sorry,
Didn't mention that I have swapped out spells through progression (which is where permanency came in)

Permanent:
Divine Favor, Shield of Faith, Displacement, Greater Mage Armor, Haste, Deathward, Divine Power, Freedom of Movement, Chasing Perfection, Mindblank, Energy Immunity (all)


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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2010, 12:08:13 AM »
Those aren't on the list of permanacieables, but whatever.

Two miracles in quick succession (one to duplicate the spell, one to duplicate permanency, gets you the same effect without spending xp.
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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2010, 12:18:22 AM »
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Never even thought about that. 

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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2010, 12:51:24 AM »
i havent had a divine get that high... but here a divine list that goes up to 6th..


[spoiler]*************DIVINE SPELLS********************
*1st Level
    *Bless PHB
    *Command PHB
    *Divine Favor PHB
    *Entropic Shield PHB
    *Protection from Evil/Good/Chaos/Law PHB
    *Sanctuary PHB
    *Shield of Faith PHB
    *Blessed Aim SC
    *Conviction SC
    *Ebon Eyes SC
    *Faith Healing SC
    *Omen of Peril SC
    *Resurgenc eSC
    *Lesser Vigor SC
    *Ray of Resurgence LEoF

*2nd Level
    *Bull's Strength PHB
    *Eagle's Splendor PHB
    *Hold Person PHB
    *Owl's Wisdom PHB
    *Shield Other PHB
    *Spiritual Weapon PHB
    *Avoid Planar Effects SC
    *Close Wounds SC
    *Divine Insight SC
    *Ghost Touch Armor SC
    *Living Undeath SC
    *Bewildering Substitution CC
    *Body Ward CC
    *Lore of the Gods CC
    *Soul Ward CC
    *Darkbolt LoM
    *Tyche's Touch LEoF

*3rd Level
    *Dispel Magic PHB
    *Magic Circle Against Evil/Good/Chaos/Law PHB
    *Magic Vestment PHB
    *Divine Retaliation PH2
    *Mass Conviction SC
    *Girallon's Blessing SC
    *Mass Resist Energy SC
    *Mass Lesser Vigor SC
    *Lesser Visage of the Deity SC
    *Vision of the Omniscient Eye DM

*4th Level
    *Air Walk PHB
    *Death Ward PHB
    *Dismissal PHB
    *Divine Power PHB
    *Freedom of Movement PHB
    *Greater Magic Weapon PHB
    *Spell Immunity PHB
    *Tongues PHB
    *Mystic Aegis PH2
    *Delay Death SC
    *Lesser Holy/Infernal Transformation SC
    *Recitation SC
    *Mass Shield of Faith SC
    *GREATER LUMINOUS ARMOR(BoED) <-- bad ass. +8 ac and -4 to enemys atking you = +12 ac!

*5th Level
    *Break Enchantment PHB
    *Plane Shift PHB
    *Righteous Might PHB
    *Spell Resistance PHB
    *True Seeing PHB
    *Swift Etherealness PH2
    *Divine Agility SC
    *Revivify SC
    *Righteous Wrath of the Faithful SC
    *Surge of Fortune CC

*6th Level
    *Greater Dispel Magic PHB
    *Heal PHB
    *Heroes' Feast PHB
    *Energy Immunity SC
    *Superior Resistance SC
    *Visage of the Deity SC
    *Spiritual Guardian CC[/spoiler]
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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2010, 10:32:30 AM »
Those aren't on the list of permanacieables, but whatever.

Two miracles in quick succession (one to duplicate the spell, one to duplicate permanency, gets you the same effect without spending xp.

I don't get it. Whats keeping you from having to pay the xp cost for permanency?

SRD says you dont have to pay the xp cost for the miracle, but you still have to pay the xp cost for the duplicated spell.

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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2010, 01:45:08 PM »
Right, I was misremembering the properties of shadow illusions...
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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2010, 02:00:42 PM »
How good is your dragon's Breath Attack?

Look for Dragon Spells at Draconomicon, things like Stunning Breath, Enervate Breath and Breath Weapon Admixture can be pretty decent.

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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2010, 02:05:53 PM »
12d8 breath with a DC 42 reflex save.

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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2010, 04:58:35 PM »
what feats does the cohort have?  Also,
Wings of Cover,
Arcane Fusion,
Greater Arcane Fusion.

Greater Celerity is meh.  Sure a full round action is better than standard, but not for a +4 level increase.
edit: also, stoneskin is kinda pointless at this level.. AND outpaced by Heart of Earth.  Replace that with Celerity.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2010, 05:02:47 PM by Rebel7284 »
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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2010, 05:15:56 PM »
Feats:
Trample - From Item
Sprited Charge - From Item
Ride by Attack - From Item
Imp Maneuver
Power Attack
Imp Nat Attack (Bite)
Leap Attack
Max SLA (Breath)
Quick
SLA (Breath)
Emp SLA (Breath)
Dire Charge
Fly by Attack
Snatch
Imp Snatch
Cleave
G. Cleave
Imp Crit (Bite)
Draconic Knowledge
Iron Will
Craft Wond Item
Craft Epic Wond Item
Craft Magic Arms Arm
Craft Epic Craft Arms/Armor
Multi Attack

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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2010, 05:24:52 PM »
Breath is technically Supernatural, not Spell-like.  Lol.  There are meta-breath feats that do those things unlimited times a day at the cost of delaying the next time you can breath. =)

But yeah, I see nothing that really affects spellcasting.  Hmr.  Oh, Scintillating Scales can be kinda sexy. 
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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2010, 05:42:59 PM »
Yeah, I made that argument... but the DM wanted it to be a SLA... so there it was.  Granted it's times/day on the feat usage, but it doesn't affect how long it is before I can breathe again, so it's a win/lose

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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2010, 06:06:01 PM »
Does your dragon need to breath defensively in order to not provoke AOOs? ;)
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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2010, 06:12:51 PM »
Seconding Scintillating Scales. That really helps your touch AC, which can be critical at higher levels.

The Heart of X line is really nice beyond Heart of Earth. Having multiple ones provides fortification, IIRC.

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Re: Spell Selection Help!!!
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2010, 01:23:43 PM »
Thanks for the help all!  :D