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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2010, 05:43:19 PM »
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The most powerful monk build is obviously ranger3/half-orc paragon3/monk2/bearwarrior5
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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2010, 06:11:06 PM »
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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2010, 06:15:22 PM »
Druid 13.

I agree, but it's pretty sad when even a twinked out build like this can only barely compete with just a straight druid.
Still at least this build will get more spells per day than a straight druid.

Clearly the challenge for this board is going to be to create a monk/bard multiclass that is better than a straight druid without using thralherd.
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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2010, 07:49:32 PM »
why not try this:

ECL 13
Monk 2/ Ardent 3/ Ur-Priest 2/ Psychic Theurge 6

full build as follows:

Monk 4/ Ardent 6/ Ur-Priest 2/ Psychic Theurge 8

Feats:
Imp Unarmed Strike(Monk Bonus)
Monastic Training(Psychic Theurge)(Monk Bonus)
open? (Monk Bonus)
Iron Will(Otyugh Hole)
1st lvl: Spell Focus(Evil)
3rd lvl: Practiced Manifester(Ardent)
6th lvl: Practiced Caster(Ur-priest)
9th lvl: Tashalatora(Psychic Theurge)
12th lvl: Superior Unarmed Strike
15th lvl: Imp Natural Attack(Unarmed Strike)
18th lvl: Divine Spellpower


9th lvl Powers(4 mantles)(18th lvl Manifester)
9th lvl Spells(@ 14th lvl Caster min, 18th with Divine Spellpower, 18+ with items)
Greater Flurry + 4d8+ damage


for reference.... the actual text from Secrets of Sarlona

TASHALATORA
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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2010, 08:15:58 PM »
Or Monk 1/ Erudite (Spell to Power) 19

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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2010, 08:27:22 PM »
Impostor you can't be carnivore, not enough pixie :P

Also at level 13 you are way behind on casting.

besides;

pixie 4/monk 4/Ardrent 2/Urpriest 2/Psychic Theurge 8 sounds better

Hard to meet all the skill reqs though, probably requiers Keeper of forbidden lore, though i don't know what that feat actually does besides adding spellcraft as a class skill.
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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2010, 09:15:38 PM »
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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2010, 09:42:27 PM »
Druid 13.

I agree, but it's pretty sad when even a twinked out build like this can only barely compete with just a straight druid.
Still at least this build will get more spells per day than a straight druid.

Clearly the challenge for this board is going to be to create a monk/bard multiclass that is better than a straight druid without using thralherd.

Um...Monk 2/Bard 5/Druid 1/Ur-Priest 2/Sublime Chord 2/Focluchan Lyrist 8?  Gets bardic music of a level 15 bard, with Tashalatora monk 10, dual 9's, decent skills, evasion, and only needs one early entry hack that I'm aware of (Versatile/Heighten or Sanctum for SC).  Druid can go I'm sure, too, with the right flavor of cheese.  Only thing up on the druid you have is the awesome power of "I go firster" from SC poaching all the OP spells from the Sor only and Sor/Wiz lists.  But it's something, and it uses one of my all time fav PrC's.
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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2010, 10:04:33 PM »
Um...Monk 2/Bard 5/Druid 1/Ur-Priest 2/Sublime Chord 2/Focluchan Lyrist 8?  Gets bardic music of a level 15 bard, with Tashalatora monk 10, dual 9's, decent skills, evasion, and only needs one early entry hack that I'm aware of (Versatile/Heighten or Sanctum for SC).  Druid can go I'm sure, too, with the right flavor of cheese.  Only thing up on the druid you have is the awesome power of "I go firster" from SC poaching all the OP spells from the Sor only and Sor/Wiz lists.  But it's something, and it uses one of my all time fav PrC's.

Tashalatora stacks a psionic class with Monk. So while that would definitely be better than a Monk, it wouldn't stack for flurry, or unarmed damage.

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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2010, 10:11:45 PM »

Clearly the challenge for this board is going to be to create a monk/bard multiclass that is better than a straight druid without using thralherd.

bard1/paladin17/monk2

Key feats: able learner (keep up on perform and UMD), ascetic knight, devoted performer, initiate of milil

unarmed attack as a 19th level monk, bardic music ability and music/day as a 18th level bard


Okay not quite as good as a druid but still pretty freaking awesome

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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2010, 10:26:03 PM »

Clearly the challenge for this board is going to be to create a monk/bard multiclass that is better than a straight druid without using thralherd.

bard1/paladin17/monk2

Key feats: able learner (keep up on perform and UMD), ascetic knight, devoted performer, initiate of milil

unarmed attack as a 19th level monk, bardic music ability and music/day as a 18th level bard


Okay not quite as good as a druid but still pretty freaking awesome
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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2010, 10:27:22 PM »
Just need to find a way to get paladin to count as a psionic class. :p

What about Bard 1/Monk 2/Cleric 3/Prestige paladin 13/Cleric +1 with the same feats? (and Battle Blessing of course)
EDIT: or Bard 1/Monk 2/Cloistered cleric 4/Prestige paladin 13

Rather than 17th-level paladin casting you now have 11th-level cleric casting (at CL 11 rather than CL 8). Your special mount is one level lower, but it caps at lv15 anyway.
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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2010, 10:42:54 PM »
Cloistered Cleric 6/Sacred Fist 10/Prestige Paladin 4 >.>

Battle Blessing, Cha to Saves, Sor/Wiz spells.  You can snag UAS/SUS and then buff it with either Mirror Move/Snake's Swiftness/Righteous Wrath/Haste/Greater Mighty Wallop or go Legendary Ape and emulate Giant Size with a Miracle :)

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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2010, 11:04:08 PM »
Is there another arcane/psionics advancing PrC?
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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2010, 11:05:34 PM »
Is there another arcane/psionics advancing PrC?
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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2010, 01:12:28 AM »

Clearly the challenge for this board is going to be to create a monk/bard multiclass that is better than a straight druid without using thralherd.

bard1/paladin17/monk2

Key feats: able learner (keep up on perform and UMD), ascetic knight, devoted performer, initiate of milil

unarmed attack as a 19th level monk, bardic music ability and music/day as a 18th level bard


Okay not quite as good as a druid but still pretty freaking awesome

I wish initiate of milil worked that way.  It would be like the best feat evar.

But no, that doesn't work.
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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2010, 01:13:37 AM »
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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2010, 05:25:28 AM »
Obviously,  :banghead the most powerful monk build is this...

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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2010, 07:35:44 AM »

Clearly the challenge for this board is going to be to create a monk/bard multiclass that is better than a straight druid without using thralherd.

bard1/paladin17/monk2

Key feats: able learner (keep up on perform and UMD), ascetic knight, devoted performer, initiate of milil

unarmed attack as a 19th level monk, bardic music ability and music/day as a 18th level bard


Okay not quite as good as a druid but still pretty freaking awesome

I wish initiate of milil worked that way.  It would be like the best feat evar.

But no, that doesn't work.
Initiate of Milil is not the only feat he listed .... Initiate of Milil gives the kinds of Bardic Music he can use, Devoted performer gives the Number of Bardic Music Uses per day, Ascetic Knight
boosts Unarmed Damage ... so YES it does work that way..... notice the actual feats:



Initiate of Milil
Type: Initiate
Source: Champions of Valor
You have been initiated into the greatest secrets of Milil's church.
Prerequisite: Cleric or paladin 4th, Perform (any) 3 ranks, patron deity Milil.
Benefit: Your bard, cleric, and paladin levels stack for the purpose of determining which kinds of bardic music you can useDevoted Performer
Type: General
Source: Complete Adventurer
You have foregone the pursuit of frivolous musical talents, instead entering religious training in service of honor and justice.
Prerequisite: Bardic music, smite evil.
Benefit: If you have levels in paladin and bard, those levels stack for the purpose of determining the bonus damage dealt by your smite evil ability and determining the number of times per day that you can use your bardic music. This feat does not allow additional daily uses of smite evil or bardic music abilities beyond what your class levels would normally allow.
In addition, you can multiclass freely between the paladin and bard classes and may even gain additional bard levels regardless of your lawful alignment. You must still remain lawful good in order to retain your paladin abilities and take paladin levels. You still face the normal XP penalties for having multiple classes more than one level apart.

Ascetic Knight
Type: General
Source: Complete AdventurerYou belong to a special order of religious monks that teaches its adherents that self-enlightenment and honorable service grow from the same well of purity. As a student of this philosophy, you have blended your training as a paladin and as a monk into one seamless whole.
Prerequisite: Improved Unarmed Strike, ability to smite evil.
Benefit: Your paladin and monk levels stack for the purpose of determining your unarmed strike damage. For example, a human 3rd-level paladin/1st-level monk would deal 1d8 points of damage with her unarmed strike.Your paladin and monk levels also stack when determining the extra damage dealt by your smite evil ability.In addition, you can multiclass freely between the paladin and monk classes. You must still remain lawful good in order to retain your paladin abilities and take paladin levels, and you must remain lawful in order to continue advancing as a monk. You still face the normal XP penalties for having multiple classes more than one level apart.


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Re: Finnally a viable monk build
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2010, 09:28:08 AM »
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