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BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« on: September 14, 2010, 11:15:52 PM »
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hello my friends! iv never actually built a epic character.... so i need help!  :D


female drow. wiz based, has to have some levels of elven high mage or w/e that elf prc is.
all books availible, no psionics.

target CR between 25-30

alittle background. ancient eldritch drow bitchtress. one of the main npc's in a wiz council.
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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2010, 01:37:15 PM »
hmmmmm k maybe i need more detail to recieve some build help.
sry i was in a hurry with the original post.


k so i need the first 20 level build, il just throw in the elven high mage after 20.  

i dont want to use circle magic, but i am all for lowering metamagic costs. so i was thinkin.. wiz/incantrix.... but i need some input on a vicious build here.
something transmutation based if possible?

anyways any actual help is very appriciated.



edit: dont need anything complicated, like a entire build or anything. just like wiz.x/incantrix.x/somethingelse.x
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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 01:59:42 PM »
You don't want NPC wizards to be too powerful and clever. For simplicity's sake, I'd almost recommend just being wizard 20, and just add in some PrC abilities you feel you want your caster to have.

Equipment is important. Give your character either a crafter cohort or CWI and buy gear at half price, since NPC wealth is what it is.

+5 Tome, +6 item, the usual. Animated shield or +5 mithral buckler.

Figure out what constant/daily protections she has, what she can put up in a hurry, and how she'll attack if needed.
Put these in first, and then figure what classes the character needs to get all the stuff you want her to have. You'll probably want to nova any encounter with PCs so consider qualifying for multispell and autoquicken.

I've built very few epic casters, and they're not super-optimized - optimizing too much will break the CR system even more, in any case, and isn't really superior to just giving the challenge more levels, to account for the increased difficulty instead. here's what I still have from a 26th level wizard:
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Feats:
5 Epic, 4 Wizard Bonus, 7 generic
Improved Spell Capacity X3
Multispell
Improved Heighten Spell

Improved Initiative
Quick Draw
Dark Speech
Silent Spell

Still Spell
Quicken Spell
Empower Spell
Heighten Spell (used on everything with metamagic)


Items:
Headband of Intellect +6: 36K

Permanently Invisible:
 Ioun Stone, (absorb 50 spell levels)
   Lavender and Green ellipsoid  (40K)
 Ioun Stone, ( regeneration ) Pearly White spindle (20K)
 Ioun Stone, Dusty Rose Prism: +1 insight AC (5000GP)
 Ioun Stone, Orange prism: +1 CL (30K)

Robes of the Evil Archmagi: 75K
+5 armor ac, +4 saves, +2 cl checks vs. SR.

Stone of Good Luck: 20K
+1 luck bonus on saves, skill checks

Handy Haversack: 2K
Amulet of Natural Armor +5: 50K
Cube of Force, 62K
Ring of Freedom, 40 000
Ring of Demonic Wizardry IV: 60K (Only CE, req. spellcraft 20)
Gloves of Dex +6: 36K
Belt of Bodily Health(Con) +6: 36K
Cloak of Etherealness:+55K
Glamered +5 mithral buckler of heavy fortification:
100K+2.7k(no crits, SA)

Spells memorized:
1st:  Nerveskitter x4,
2nd:  Create Magic Tattoo(CL+1), Alter Self, Mirror Image
3rd:  Sound Lance x 3,Displacement, Fly, Haste
4th:  Spell Enhancer x3, Assay SR x4, Force Missiles x2,             Empowered False Life(+20HP), dimension door
5th:  still Assay SR, Quickened True Strike x2, silent Dim.Door
      Wall of Force x2, Magic Jar, waves of fatigue
6th:  Anticipate Teleportation, Greater x1 (140ft.)
      Heroism, Greater(+20HP),
      FleshShiver, Stone Skin, Solid Fog x2
7th:  Quickened Steeldance , Energy Immunity, Arcane Sight,       Delayed Blast Fireball, 2x Plane Shift
8th,  Horrid Wilting, Moment of Prescience,
      Superior Invisibility, Mind Blank,
      Silent Still Dispel Magic, Flensing
 9th: Astral Projection, Maw of Chaos, Prismatic Sphere,
      Quickened Teleport X2, Silent Still Ethereal Jaunt
10th: Empowered Flensing, Quickened Chain Lightning
11th: Quickened Delayed Blast Fireball, Silent Still Freedom
12th: Quickened Empowered Disintegrate Quickened Ghostform
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The other epic NPC caster I built was a 27th level MotAO Dread Necromancer - MotAO is great for NPCs as you can pull any spell you need out of spellpool, so...
Anyway, she used more MiC items.
She also had a RKV Cohort who used shield other on her.

Some notes:
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Feats:
Feats 2x Multispell, Corpsecrafter(+4 str, +2HP/HD undead), Rapid Metamagic, Empower, Quicken, Cooperative, SF:Necromancy, Undead Leadership, Eschew Materials, Ignore Material Components, Destruction Retribution(undead explode 1d6/1d6per2HD 10ft burst, Ref 15 half)

Equipment:
Belt of Battle, Bracers of Arcane Freedom, +5 tome, +5 manual (read), Haversack, Luckstone, Ioun Stone, Orange Prism, +5 Anchoring Leather Armor of easy travel, improved agility, masking and fire resistance, greater, Belt of Battle, Bracers of Arcane Freedom, +5 Ring of Protection, Amulet of nat. armor +5, Broom of flying   roughly 70K GP
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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 02:03:58 PM »
interesting. thats very helpfull thank you.

yea i can see what you mean as far as optimizing it to much... it would totally destroy my group  :devil

thats partially why i posted here for help. i need something very challenging, yet not way way overkill.

thanks for the input   :D

hopefully more is to follow  :)
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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 03:20:52 PM »
Sorcerer 10 Incantatrix 10 using Arcane fusion shenanigans to deal 1120d6 to up to 112 different targets?

What is your party comprised of, and what is their optimization level? That will help a bit.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 04:55:39 PM »
Uber defenses + "weak" HP damage spells can get pretty scary. You really want BOTH your PCs AND your BBEG to survive more than three rounds of combat, right?  Something as simple as spell turning + globe of invulnerability will in fact keep away most of magical attacks. superior invisibility + ventriloquism will make you nigh-undetectable (although expect true seeing and see invis).

Something as unoptimized as three rounds of Meteor Swarms should start to worry the opposition -especially if they're enhanced with, say, explosive spell or some other carrier effect. get a half negative effect and you can add all sorts of libris mortis goodies to the spell.

I suggest you make it so that epic spellcasting doesn't exist - stick to the usual custom spell creation guidelines, instead, or take a peek at some monte cook's arcana evolved/unleashed books, which have 10th level spells (and you could even bump time stop, shapechange and call function of Gate to 10th level. )

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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 09:17:15 PM »
I'd stay away from the Gate spell if you want you players to survive. BTW y don't you go the usual route with full archmage PrC? If you want something realy challenging try adding Shapechange to the bitch's spell list :devil
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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2010, 09:21:37 PM »
wizard6/swiftblade10/abjurantchampion5/incantrix x/elf high magex

A build that'll both survive more than a few round yet not neccessarily TPK the party in a few rounds.

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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2010, 02:14:36 AM »
what is the optimum levels of incantrix to take?

What is your party comprised of, and what is their optimization level? That will help a bit.

5 players total. 3 heavy optimizers, 1 decent, and 1 thats just starting to understand the c/o process. When they fight this person they will be in level ranges 18-20. some progress faster then others due to extra RPing xp etc etc


heres a question, looking at the elven high mage prc.. it doesnt really look that good imo. im thinking its more of just a flavor thing.. considering i dont want to use circle magic, or long rituals etc to pwn my players with.
what do you guys think?? just scrap the elven prc... and call her one anyways?

what is the one with abrupt jaunt. is that the abjurant champion?

and can someone link me the swiftblade?

more input/builds welcome  :D
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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2010, 08:31:34 AM »
Abrupt Jaunt is PHB2 Conjurer specialization ACF.

Swiftblade: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20070327

If you aren't using the class's features, don't take it. Easy enough.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
[/spoiler]

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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2010, 10:46:08 AM »
I say, throw them a curve ball. Make an Adept 20, and min/max it as best you can.

Nothing makes a DM smile more then when and NPC with an NPC class almost wipes a group of optimized adventures :)
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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2010, 11:49:52 AM »
what is the optimum levels of incantrix to take?
At least 3. But really any amount above 3 is also good. 3rd is where the main ability of the class is, though. :D

You could look here for what you can do with even a relatively "tame" Wizard 20 build. There are more tricks to add here, which include adding cleric domain spells to your spellbook, and getting the costs of making a big huge spellbook down.
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?

Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2010, 12:30:02 PM »
Abrupt Jaunt Conjurer / 7-fold Initiate always screams survivability to me.

Additionally you can pull off some cheap gem magic contingencies (& action economy), if you care to before throwing in any higher level crafted contingencies if that's your style.

With so many levels, and if you're not doing epic spells, you could probably even make use of some otherwise usually horrible PrCs like the Yathrinshee, that is, if the class features & flavor suits the situation.

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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2010, 01:41:52 PM »
interesting ideas here, thank you.

so can you use gem magic for extra contingencys?

phaedrus thats a awesome build you linked me. what book is tooth tentacles in?


making an adept 20 would be funny.. but idk if its what im looking for  :D
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2010, 01:44:19 PM »
phaedrus thats a awesome build you linked me. what book is tooth tentacles in?
Lost Empires of Faerun. It's also available in the excerpt. It's OK by itself. It would have been a LOT better with the original version of this character, which had sneak attack dice and Knowledge Devotion, all of which would have applied on each tentacle.

It should still be awesome to share with his familiar, though, since it has a range of Personal...
« Last Edit: September 16, 2010, 01:45:52 PM by PhaedrusXY »
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?

Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
...thanks
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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2010, 03:05:11 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2010, 09:31:01 PM »
5 players total. 3 heavy optimizers, 1 decent, and 1 thats just starting to understand the c/o process. When they fight this person they will be in level ranges 18-20. some progress faster then others due to extra RPing xp etc etc

 or long rituals etc to pwn my players with.
what do you guys think?? just scrap the elven prc... and call her one anyways?


Epic Wizard ... the Elf stuff is basically fluff, filling out the details.
Usually will Divination like mad, so she/it knows the party.
Crush the four, and whoops get wacked by the non-optimizer ...  ;)

Epic Spells normally win ... but look you don't have enough moolah today to cast one.
Knows or Does even more, but only on down time.

50 charge Wand of Anti-Magic with Spectral Hand delivery = ouch.

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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2010, 12:01:19 AM »

50 charge Wand of Anti-Magic with Spectral Hand delivery = ouch.



could you tell me more about that? you mean anti magic field or what?
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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2010, 11:25:27 AM »
Wands can't break level 3 spells.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: BBEB(big bad evil bitch)
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2010, 05:31:43 PM »
Oops.

50 charge (wand equivalent Universal item that costs the same, and works the same) item
of Spectral Hand Linked metapsi (converted) Anti-Magic Field.
Needs some Dr#349 psi stuff. Expensive but affordable at epic levels.
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