Tier 1 Fighter Mod

[veekie]

Still wouldn't do it. It'd wind up around the region of the Warblade, if at that.

[SiggyDevil]

Add 10 to the first level Spell Resistance. Remember that it's effectively a DC for spellcasters to roll against using a d20 + caster level.
SR1 would be beaten 100% of the time by a L1 WIzard.

[Amechra]

[JohnnyMayHymn]

so, I guess the consensus is, there is no easy way to fudge numbers/abilities that already exist to make a fighter tier 1

I believe my (EX) fighter would be high tier 3, and the meta-attack would push it into low tier 2 if we could find a good enough EX ability to spam with applied meta-attack.

eventually I'll get around to writing the base class specifics and editing them into the first post , I am just extremely busy right now

at least we raised the fighter a couple tiers....

but, buy all means new ideas are welcome, I would really be interested in an EX ability that can break the game in ways that spell casting can and how they could interact with a meta-attack modification to meta magic

[veekie]

It's not numbers that makes a Tier 1 or Tier 2, big numbers just prevent you from falling into Tier 5(since theres at least ONE thing you can do insanely well). You can have Infinity stats and still stay at Tier 4.

[RobbyPants]

You can have Infinity stats and still stay at Tier 4.

Well, you would have access to various epic uses of Jump, Balance, Climb, Escape Artist, and other skills, so that would at least let you mimic a couple of spell effects by awesomeness alone.  And you'd have a 95% chance to deal infinite damage if you get in range.

[Sinfire Titan]

so, I guess the consensus is, there is no easy way to fudge numbers/abilities that already exist to make a fighter tier 1

Numbers get you to Tier 4. But it takes actual abilities to make the next jump up to Tier 3.


You want an EX ability that breaks the game? Try THE GAME.

[RobbyPants]

Try THE GAME.

Thanks.  I just lost.

Does that make me tier 6?

[SiggyDevil]

Try THE GAME.

Thanks.  I just lost.

Does that make me tier 6?

Tier 7.

[Bozwevial]

Try THE GAME.

Thanks.  I just lost.

Does that make me tier 6?

Tier 7.

And that's a bad tier. We're talking Jack Chick tier.

[Sinfire Titan]

Try THE GAME.

Thanks.  I just lost.

Does that make me tier 6?

Probably.

Tier 7.

And that's a bad tier. We're talking Jack Chick tier.

[lans]

so, I guess the consensus is, there is no easy way to fudge numbers/abilities that already exist to make a fighter tier 1

Numbers get you to Tier 4. But it takes actual abilities to make the next jump up to Tier 3.

I think a really wide range of really high stats gets you to tier 3, just on the basis of what really high stats allow you to do. If you can jump that 150 meter chasm, escape artist through the crack on the ground type of things.

[Sinfire Titan]

so, I guess the consensus is, there is no easy way to fudge numbers/abilities that already exist to make a fighter tier 1

Numbers get you to Tier 4. But it takes actual abilities to make the next jump up to Tier 3.

I think a really wide range of really high stats gets you to tier 3, just on the basis of what really high stats allow you to do. If you can jump that 150 meter chasm, escape artist through the crack on the ground type of things.

I view the ELH as Discontinuity.

[lans]

so, I guess the consensus is, there is no easy way to fudge numbers/abilities that already exist to make a fighter tier 1

Numbers get you to Tier 4. But it takes actual abilities to make the next jump up to Tier 3.

I think a really wide range of really high stats gets you to tier 3, just on the basis of what really high stats allow you to do. If you can jump that 150 meter chasm, escape artist through the crack on the ground type of things.

I view the ELH as Discontinuity.

Even with out it I think tier 3 is a reasonable tier for it.

[SiggyDevil]

Even with out it I think tier 3 is a reasonable tier for it.

i.e. "stuff Fighters can't do".

[veekie]

With infinity stats and ELH rules, you got a case for a borderline Tier 3 that is at the same time completely overpowered.

[lans]

With infinity stats and ELH rules, you got a case for a borderline Tier 3 that is at the same time completely overpowered.

You don't need infinite stats, just high enough ones. Adding level to Attacks, AC, Skills, Damage, checks and Saves will probably do it. While I'm at it HP per level(+210 hp at 20, +15 at 5 ). Probably still overpowered.

[veekie]

Hideously so, but one dimensionally. They aren't any higher tier until they are taking epic skill uses(which are technically 3.0) as a matter of course.