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Re: Simple Q&A 16: Has Anyone Really Been Far Even As ...
« Reply #180 on: August 27, 2010, 12:37:44 AM »
Q56: can power attack be applied to natural weapons (such as a skarns spines or a totemist's pile of claws) as if they were 1 handed weapons, or are they considered light?
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« Reply #181 on: August 27, 2010, 12:39:18 AM »
Q56: can power attack be applied to natural weapons (such as a skarns spines or a totemist's pile of claws) as if they were 1 handed weapons, or are they considered light?
You can PA with natural weapons, but they are light.
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« Reply #182 on: August 27, 2010, 01:01:40 AM »
Q57: Which (prestige) classes grant Combat Sense (flat bonus to attack and AC) or similar abilities? Off the top of my head, there's only the Knight of the Middle Circle from Defenders of the Faith and the Citadel Elite from Sharn: City of Towers. Anything else I might have missed?

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« Reply #183 on: August 27, 2010, 01:08:29 AM »
Q58: When an unnamed bonus comes from a source, how is that source defined?

For instance, if we have a Monk who gains Wis to AC unarmoured (as an unnamed bonus), and then he multiclasses in Swordsage and gains Wis to AC in light armour (as another unnamed bonus), then finds some way to be wearing both no armour and light armour simultaneously, do they stack? They're both derived from Wis, which could be interpreted as the source, meaning they come from the same source and, as unnamed bonuses, do not stack. On the other hand, they come from seperate abilities, or for the sake of the argument they do, (Swordsage AC Bonus vs. Monk AC Bonus) so if the source is defined as an ability, they should stack.

I need a definite ruling on this, not just interpretations.
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« Reply #184 on: August 27, 2010, 01:20:27 AM »
Q58: When an unnamed bonus comes from a source, how is that source defined?

For instance, if we have a Monk who gains Wis to AC unarmoured (as an unnamed bonus), and then he multiclasses in Swordsage and gains Wis to AC in light armour (as another unnamed bonus), then finds some way to be wearing both no armour and light armour simultaneously, do they stack? They're both derived from Wis, which could be interpreted as the source, meaning they come from the same source and, as unnamed bonuses, do not stack. On the other hand, they come from seperate abilities, or for the sake of the argument they do, (Swordsage AC Bonus vs. Monk AC Bonus) so if the source is defined as an ability, they should stack.

I need a definite ruling on this, not just interpretations.
I'd say monk levels are definitely different from swordsage levels in terms of source.  Same as how different classes that give bonuses to stats have them stack (human paragon and dragon disciple, for example)
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« Reply #185 on: August 27, 2010, 01:52:22 AM »
I'd say monk levels are definitely different from swordsage levels in terms of source.  Same as how different classes that give bonuses to stats have them stack (human paragon and dragon disciple, for example)

I'd agree. The issue I'm having is explaining this to someone who is saying that since both Monk and Swordsage AC Bonus, as an ability, gives you an AC bonus derived on Wis, they don't stack because your Wis modifier is the source, not the ability itself. I need either another example of two seperate unnamed bonuses from the same modifier stacking, in the exact same method, or a sentence or paragraph in a rulebook that states what the source of an unnamed bonus derived from an ability score is.
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« Reply #186 on: August 27, 2010, 01:55:04 AM »
I'd say monk levels are definitely different from swordsage levels in terms of source.  Same as how different classes that give bonuses to stats have them stack (human paragon and dragon disciple, for example)

I'd agree. The issue I'm having is explaining this to someone who is saying that since both Monk and Swordsage AC Bonus, as an ability, gives you an AC bonus derived on Wis, they don't stack because your Wis modifier is the source, not the ability itself. I need either another example of two seperate unnamed bonuses from the same modifier stacking, in the exact same method, or a sentence or paragraph in a rulebook that states what the source of an unnamed bonus derived from an ability score is.

No, it doesn't come from your Wisdom at all.  Nothing about having a Wisdom score normally gives you an AC bonus.  You get the AC bonus from an ability which IIRC is called "AC Bonus" and the bonus is equal to your Wisdom Bonus.  I understand your desire for a definite source, but the entire argument is absurd and you should tell whoever it is as such.
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« Reply #187 on: August 27, 2010, 01:56:15 AM »
Of course, the sage disagrees (arguing same name=same bonus), so there's that.
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« Reply #188 on: August 27, 2010, 02:02:25 AM »
Monk "When unarmored and unencumbered, the monk adds her Wisdom bonus (if any) to her AC."
Swordsage "Starting at 2nd level, you can add your Wisdom modifier as a bonus to Armor Class"

I'd say they don't stack. They're both WIS, but I've seen people argue that they do stack. It really depends on the DM.

You can get around that with Kung-Fu Genius, but then you'd have to worry about both stats.

I find that an unnamed bonus is literally that. It's unnamed. When you read +2 to Spot vs +2 racial bonus to spot, or +2 enhancement or +2 insight or +2 luck, the one that doesn't say anything other than just the bonus, no matter what you read, that's the truly unnamed.
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« Reply #189 on: August 27, 2010, 02:04:40 AM »
@TML: Battle Dancer has an ability that is also named AC Bonus that works off of Cha. When that point was brought up, I asked if they would stack, and was told they would. So that was broken open.

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« Reply #190 on: August 27, 2010, 02:11:26 AM »
Here's the sage answer

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So same name + different effect stacks, and different name + same effect stacks.  There's a bit of an argument to be made as to whether or not "AC bonus when unarmored" is the same effect as "AC bonus when in light armor".  I personally think that that's significant enough to count, but YMMV.
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« Reply #191 on: August 27, 2010, 02:27:07 AM »
You can't be in light armour and no armour at the same time anyway.  :eh

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« Reply #192 on: August 27, 2010, 02:28:16 AM »
You can't be in light armour and no armour at the same time anyway.  :eh
And if you're going for the swordsage monk style, you're better off going with the unarmored version anyways since you get better unarmed damage.
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« Reply #193 on: August 27, 2010, 02:29:53 AM »
You can't be in light armour and no armour at the same time anyway.  :eh
Well, I think there are a few light armors that, with enhancements, can count as being unarmored or something along those lines.
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« Reply #194 on: August 27, 2010, 02:30:48 AM »
You can't be in light armour and no armour at the same time anyway.  :eh
Well, I think there are a few light armors that, with enhancements, can count as being unarmored or something along those lines.
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« Reply #195 on: August 27, 2010, 02:40:44 AM »
Q 59 If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half. So what if the spell's 1 hour/level? It doesn't directly say, so we just assume it's x1?
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« Reply #196 on: August 27, 2010, 02:48:39 AM »
Q 59 If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half. So what if the spell's 1 hour/level? It doesn't directly say, so we just assume it's x1?
Yeah, but don't hew too close to them.  They're called out as being guidelines, not actualy rules.  Pick whatever price makes the item seem promising but not a no-brainer.
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« Reply #197 on: August 27, 2010, 02:52:11 AM »
Q 59 If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half. So what if the spell's 1 hour/level? It doesn't directly say, so we just assume it's x1?
Yeah, but don't hew too close to them.  They're called out as being guidelines, not actualy rules.  Pick whatever price makes the item seem promising but not a no-brainer.
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« Reply #198 on: August 27, 2010, 03:01:42 AM »
Are you counting the -1 check penalty from masterwork?
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« Reply #199 on: August 27, 2010, 03:13:32 AM »
Are you counting the -1 check penalty from masterwork?
Huh? No, no, no, no. The actual armor ability. From MIC: A suit of armor that has this property has a maximum Dexterity bonus 1 higher than normal, and its armor check penalty is reduced by 2. From Dragon 312: A suit of armor that has this property has a maximum Dexterity +2 higher than normal, and its armor check penalty is reduced by 1. Both are the +1 ability Nimbleness.
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