Full Initiators That Ignore Strikes

[Toptomcat]

It's often said of ToB classes that they don't generally full attack, relying instead on strikes to do most of their attacking. While this grants them mobility and provides a wide variety of nifty effects, it also cuts them out of a lot of nifty full-attack optimizing, including sneak-attack/source-of-bonus-damage shenanigans, ubercharge setups, and the like.
What can be done with Tome of Battle builds that focus mostly or entirely on boosts, counters, and stances?

[Flay Crimsonwind]

I suppose you'd have melee types that can ubercharge and pull full attack shenanigans.....

[Endarire]

Think of your typical warrior, but now he reliably uses swift actions.  He can use Thicket of Blades, or Leaping Dragon Stance, or Martial Spirit.

In my experience, I built a Hood who didn't rely on strikes.  There was no need when I could one-shot or one-round anything just by normal damage.

[JaronK]

Ranged martial adepts ignore strikes.  Raging Mongoose, Dancing Mongoose, Lion's Roar, White Raven Tactics, Time Stands Still, and the various save boosting maneuvers can fill out a Warblade's maneuvers without killing his full attack ability.  There's also Pouncing Charge, of course.

JaronK

[Rebel7284]

Factotum 8 into initiator class can greatly help utilize strikes.

[Sinfire Titan]

Ranged martial adepts ignore strikes.  Raging Mongoose, Dancing Mongoose, Lion's Roar, White Raven Tactics, Time Stands Still, and the various save boosting maneuvers can fill out a Warblade's maneuvers without killing his full attack ability.  There's also Pouncing Charge, of course.

JaronK

Nitpick: TSS is a Strike.

Generally speaking, a Full Attack is going to be slightly stronger damage-wise than a Strike, but you aren't able to move when using a Full Attack (unless you have Pounce). The advantage of Strikes is that you can stay mobile without suffering a major loss in Damage output, allowing you to both Tank and engage other threats.

[carnivore]

Retributive Builds rely on Damaging attackers on thier turns ... can do a lot ... the more AoOs the higher the damage(Robilars Gambit + Double Hit + Girallons Windmill + Two Weapon Rend)

 

[veekie]

Yeah, fundamentally, most of them make use of a lot of mix and match, you move, Boost and then Strike, then Boost and full attack, then probably it's time to reload and attack if you're a warblade.

[Flay Crimsonwind]

Yeah, fundamentally, most of them make use of a lot of mix and match, you move, Boost and then Strike, then Boost and full attack, then probably it's time to reload and attack if you're a warblade.

Suddenly I want to make a Squall/Leon Gunblade adept class, focusing on Iron heart and godknowswhat.

After making my guitar wolf maneuvers.

[Lycanthromancer]

Fighters are technically full initiators.

[RobbyPants]

Fighters are technically full initiators.

What do you mean?

[SorO_Lost]

Fighters are technically full initiators.

What do you mean?

They initiate combat. Then they initiate death. Then the Cleric initiates Raise Dead.

[altpersona]

Fighters are technically full initiators.

What do you mean?

thanks for asking, i didnt want to be the one to look silly when a page reference is posted..

[altpersona]

Fighters are technically full initiators.

What do you mean?

They initiate combat. Then they initiate run away. Then they initiates new character.

fixt that for ya

[Lycanthromancer]

Levels of fighter count as full IL for the purposes of maneuvers gained without other initiator classes.

[snakeman830]

Levels of fighter count as full IL for the purposes of maneuvers gained without other initiator classes.

Where is this stated?

[Lycanthromancer]

Levels of fighter count as full IL for the purposes of maneuvers gained without other initiator classes.

Where is this stated?

I don't seem to be able to find it. Perhaps it's a houserule someone mentioned that I'm confusing with an actual rule.

[altpersona]

its a shoulda been rule... i dont recall hearing it as anything w/ a page reference.

[Sinfire Titan]

Levels of fighter count as full IL for the purposes of maneuvers gained without other initiator classes.

Where is this stated?

I don't seem to be able to find it. Perhaps it's a houserule someone mentioned that I'm confusing with an actual rule.

The closest thing si the Warblade's Weapon Aptitude, but that's sort of the inverse.

[Endarire]

Warblade Levels count as Fighter levels -2 for prerequisites.  Thus, a Fighter4/Warblade1 counts as a Fighter3 in terms of prereqs, and messes with my sensibilities, especially if I have Weapon Specialization.