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When is a 3.0 source allowed in a 3.5 game??
« on: August 22, 2010, 07:14:46 AM »
I was recently reading thru an issue of dungeon mag and i came across the stat block for the main bad guy. He had levels in a prestige class, originally located in Masters of the Wild, a 3.0 book. So if a class or spell is not re-printed in a newer source, is it still relevant?
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Re: When is a 3.0 source allowed in a 3.5 game??
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2010, 09:33:38 AM »
In general, unupdated 3.0 stuff is considered 3.5 compatible, although some changes (such as DR/+1 turning into DR/magic, and action type alterations) may need to be made.
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Re: When is a 3.0 source allowed in a 3.5 game??
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2010, 09:41:57 PM »
Short answer: whenever your DM sez.

TML is right that typically non-updated stuff is legitimate, but there are weird exceptions that require someone to know both rule-sets to figure out.  For example, the Disciple of Dispater (Book of Vile Darkness) has an ability that modifies the threat range of a weapon, similar to Keen and Improved Crit, but it stacks with them.  Back in 3.0, all that stuff stacked.  In 3.5, it doesn't; however DoD doesn't specify that it doesn't stack.  So you get weird issues like that.

Other than that, a lot of 3.0 stuff was simply better than the 3.5 stealth nerfs that got published several years later (like most of Complete Warrior).  Talk to your DM and see if they'll allow the 3.0 version.  I know Order of the Bow Initiate was actually worth taking back in 3.0.
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Re: When is a 3.0 source allowed in a 3.5 game??
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2010, 07:49:09 PM »
Oh, yeah. As time passes, I find myself liking several parts of 3.0 splats more. Weird.
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Re: When is a 3.0 source allowed in a 3.5 game??
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2010, 01:43:05 AM »
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WHY A REVISION?

"If you used the prior version of this book, rest assured that this revision is a testament to our dedication to continuous product improvement. We've updated errata, clarified rules, and made the game even better than it was. But also rest assured that this is an upgrade of the d20 system, not a new edition of the game. This revision is compatible with all existing products, and those products can be used with this revision with only minor adjustments."

I take this to mean that 3.0 and 3.5 are compatible, that 3.0 sources can be used freely with 3.5, and that 3.5 revisions/rewrites and major rule changes supersede 3.0 resources but otherwise 3.0 stuff is fine as is.  
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Re: When is a 3.0 source allowed in a 3.5 game??
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2010, 02:46:40 AM »
Officially yes, but theres no 'safe' general rule, the two games are similar but anchored on different assumptions. You'd have to look over the old material, compare with a suitable benchmark and make up your mind from there.
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Re: When is a 3.0 source allowed in a 3.5 game??
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2010, 09:18:51 AM »
Yeah, otherwise crap like Quicker than the Eye would be just fine, if the DM knew that a partial action translates into a standard or move action in 3.5.  There's no way that feat should exist when 3.0 Haste doesn't, but technically it was never rewritten.
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Re: When is a 3.0 source allowed in a 3.5 game??
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2010, 09:35:52 PM »
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When is a 3.0 source allowed in a 3.5 game??
General Rules
0) When the DM says 3.0 sources can be used in a 3.5 game.
1) When there are no formal rewrites for the 3.0 source within a 3.5 source.
2) When there are no major RAW/RAI conflicts for the 3.0 source within 3.5 RAW/RAI.


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