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I'll be needing help on this one...
« on: August 05, 2010, 04:21:59 AM »
Well, here's the plan:

"Later today"(After I sleep, since it's 2 in the morning), I'll post a Gestalt build for a Red Dragonwrought Kobold Sorcerer5/Paragon 15|Wizard 20.

Then, I'll post my players' characters too.

I'll then explain the whole situation the characters are in, and ask for your help to make the "Final Fight" a worthy fight for them!


Red Dragonwrought Kobold wizard20|sorc5/paragon15

Stats:
STR:43/16
DEX:42/16
CON:38/14
INT:49/19
CHA:43/16
WIS:37/13

HP: 600
Fast Healing 20

BAB +10/+5
Saves:
FORT 30
REF 32
WILL 35

Initiative:
+20

Spell Resistance:
62

TOTAL SPELLS/DAY(WIZ):
4/9/9/9/8/8/8/8/7/7
TOTAL SPELLS/DAY(SORC):
6/10/8
SPELLS KNOWN(SORC):
6/4/2

Feats:
LV1 Dragonwrought
FLAW1 Eschew Materials
FLAW2 Improved Initiative
PARAGON1 Endurance
LV3 Wings
WIZ5 Silent Spell
LV6 Leadership
LV9 Diehard
WIZ10 Still Spell
LV12 Forge Rings
LV15 Quick Draw
WIZ15 Invisible Spell
LV18 Quicken Spell
WIZ20 Empower Spell

(I know, the order of the feats most probably is terrible, but the end result is what I really cared about in this case.

Something important to take note of, is that this kobold has been alive for 125 years, ruling over a part of the world on its own. He had NO troubles with money since if he wanted something, he just took it which explains the many wishes he made for his and his friends' stats.)

ITEMS:
Monk's Belt(That's adding wis' modifier to AC, right?)

AC = 10+8(Greater Mage Armor)+4(Spell:Shield)+16(DEX)+13(WIS)+1("Monk" level)+12(insight)+12(luck)+5(Natural Armor) = 81

Explanations about the situation:
« Last Edit: August 05, 2010, 07:59:18 PM by Maf »

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Re: I'll be needing help on this one...
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2010, 05:01:38 AM »
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Re: I'll be needing help on this one...
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2010, 11:45:28 AM »
Paragon adds +15 to the Challenge Rating. So assuming gestalt adds another +2, you're looking at a CR 37 creature there...
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Re: I'll be needing help on this one...
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2010, 05:05:30 PM »
Well, here's the plan:

"Later today"(After I sleep, since it's 2 in the morning), I'll post a Gestalt build for a Red Dragonwrought Kobold Sorcerer5/Paragon 15|Wizard 20.

Then, I'll post my players' characters too.

I'll then explain the whole situation the characters are in, and ask for your help to make the "Final Fight" a worthy fight for them!

Also, I don't remember where I saw this "Paragon" stuff, but it's not the same as the UA paragon, since this one gives +15 to all stats and some bonuses I don't even know about. If anyone know where I can find it, it would be appreciated if you could put a link or some hints to find it ^^!

I should edit this post in the next 22 hours! Thanks in advance to all those who plans to help me out!

PS: Sorry for my, probably multiples, mistakes; I'm tired and english isn't even my native language.

I havent looked at the paragon your mentioning.
But I would suggest going Sorc more than 5. Are you planning on using the loredrake cheese to boost caster levels?
I would do something like sorc/incantrix on one side. then on the other throw in some Pali for cha to saves, use one of the varients. Then add some more things just to make him harder to kill. Monk? Turn him into some sort of uber Gish.
You have alot of levels to play with.. have you considered more templates? Feral? Fast healing is nice.
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Re: I'll be needing help on this one...
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2010, 05:18:31 PM »
Paragon is a template.
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Re: I'll be needing help on this one...
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2010, 06:53:11 PM »
EDIT: I want to thank everyone who answered when I hadn't posted anything yet. Thanks also to all those who showed me where to find the Paragon template!
EDIT2:I have kick-boxing tonight AND the game this is planned for(The players aren't at THIS point yet) so I won't have the time to add their characters. Instead, I'll skip to the explanation of the situation in the first post.

Paragon adds +15 to the Challenge Rating. So assuming gestalt adds another +2, you're looking at a CR 37 creature there...

Ouch... That's a lot, I didn't knew about all of this, but with the "help" the players have, it shouldn't be TOO much of a problem.

I havent looked at the paragon your mentioning.
But I would suggest going Sorc more than 5. Are you planning on using the loredrake cheese to boost caster levels?
I would do something like sorc/incantrix on one side. then on the other throw in some Pali for cha to saves, use one of the varients. Then add some more things just to make him harder to kill. Monk? Turn him into some sort of uber Gish.
You have alot of levels to play with.. have you considered more templates? Feral? Fast healing is nice.

Thing is, I really wanted to make it the opposite of its dead brother(who was helping the players), who was a sorcerer20|wizard5/paragon15.

Now here's the NPC, I'll probably add it to the top post too.

Stats:
STR:43/16
DEX:42/16
CON:38/14
INT:49/19
CHA:43/16
WIS:37/13

HP: 600
Fast Healing 20

BAB +10/+5
Saves:
FORT 30
REF 32
WILL 35

Initiative:
+20

Spell Resistance:
62

TOTAL SPELLS/DAY(WIZ):
4/9/9/9/8/8/8/8/7/7
TOTAL SPELLS/DAY(SORC):
6/10/8
SPELLS KNOWN(SORC):
6/4/2

Feats:
LV1 Dragonwrought
FLAW1 Eschew Materials
FLAW2 Improved Initiative
PARAGON1 Endurange
LV3 Wings
WIZ5 Silent Spell
LV6 Leadership
LV9 Diehard
WIZ10 Still Spell
LV12 Forge Rings
LV15 Quick Draw
WIZ15 Invisible Spell
LV18 Quicken Spell
WIZ20 Empower Spell

(I know, the order of the feats most probably is terrible, but the end result is what I really cared about in this case.

Something important to take note of, is that this kobold has been alive for 125 years, ruling over a part of the world on its own. He had NO troubles with money since if he wanted something, he just took it which explains the many wishes he made for his and his friends' stats.)

ITEMS:
Monk's Belt(That's adding wis' modifier to AC, right?)

AC = 10+8(Greater Mage Armor)+4(Spell:Shield)+16(DEX)+13(Wis)+1("Monk" level)+12(insight)+12(luck)+5(Natural Armor) = 81

Well, that's the rought draft for now, I'll probably make it tidier when I put it on a character sheet.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2010, 07:05:33 PM by Maf »

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Re: I'll be needing help on this one...
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2010, 01:23:23 AM »
EDIT: I want to thank everyone who answered when I hadn't posted anything yet. Thanks also to all those who showed me where to find the Paragon template!
EDIT2:I have kick-boxing tonight AND the game this is planned for(The players aren't at THIS point yet) so I won't have the time to add their characters. Instead, I'll skip to the explanation of the situation in the first post.

Paragon adds +15 to the Challenge Rating. So assuming gestalt adds another +2, you're looking at a CR 37 creature there...

Ouch... That's a lot, I didn't knew about all of this, but with the "help" the players have, it shouldn't be TOO much of a problem.

I havent looked at the paragon your mentioning.
But I would suggest going Sorc more than 5. Are you planning on using the loredrake cheese to boost caster levels?
I would do something like sorc/incantrix on one side. then on the other throw in some Pali for cha to saves, use one of the varients. Then add some more things just to make him harder to kill. Monk? Turn him into some sort of uber Gish.
You have alot of levels to play with.. have you considered more templates? Feral? Fast healing is nice.

Thing is, I really wanted to make it the opposite of its dead brother(who was helping the players), who was a sorcerer20|wizard5/paragon15.

Now here's the NPC, I'll probably add it to the top post too.

Stats:
STR:43/16
DEX:42/16
CON:38/14
INT:49/19
CHA:43/16
WIS:37/13

HP: 600
Fast Healing 20

BAB +10/+5
Saves:
FORT 30
REF 32
WILL 35

Initiative:
+20

Spell Resistance:
62

TOTAL SPELLS/DAY(WIZ):
4/9/9/9/8/8/8/8/7/7
TOTAL SPELLS/DAY(SORC):
6/10/8
SPELLS KNOWN(SORC):
6/4/2

Feats:
LV1 Dragonwrought
FLAW1 Eschew Materials
FLAW2 Improved Initiative
PARAGON1 Endurange
LV3 Wings
WIZ5 Silent Spell
LV6 Leadership
LV9 Diehard
WIZ10 Still Spell
LV12 Forge Rings
LV15 Quick Draw
WIZ15 Invisible Spell
LV18 Quicken Spell
WIZ20 Empower Spell

(I know, the order of the feats most probably is terrible, but the end result is what I really cared about in this case.

Something important to take note of, is that this kobold has been alive for 125 years, ruling over a part of the world on its own. He had NO troubles with money since if he wanted something, he just took it which explains the many wishes he made for his and his friends' stats.)

ITEMS:
Monk's Belt(That's adding wis' modifier to AC, right?)

AC = 10+8(Greater Mage Armor)+4(Spell:Shield)+16(DEX)+13(Wis)+1("Monk" level)+12(insight)+12(luck)+5(Natural Armor) = 81

Well, that's the rought draft for now, I'll probably make it tidier when I put it on a character sheet.


Wow yea that seems like more then a CR 20 creature
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Re: I'll be needing help on this one...
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2010, 01:37:20 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2010, 04:16:46 PM »
Today, I'll start putting the players' characters on here but first, I'll put "Junior", the NPC helping them out.

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Junior, son of Bahamut.
STR 55/22
DEX 10/0
CON 25/7
INT 24/7
WIS 24/7
CHA 24/7

AC: 58
HP: 697, Fast Healing 3
Damage Reduction of 10/Epic Evil
Saves:
Ref 27
Fort 20
Will 27

BAB 29
Grapple: 63

Spell Resistance 43

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Boren, Artificer16|Scavenger9(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/276307farsscaperpg046.jpg)/Ranger7
STR 25/7
DEX 26/8
CON 20/5
INT 25/7
WIS 18/4
CHA 22/6

AC: 32
HP: 147
Saves:
Ref:18
Fort:18
Will:15

Now, because the board is bugging, I'll have to start again later... and I'll need the help of my players to put all of their characters in written form, because some of them aren't really well organized... Thanks again for the traps idea! I'll be able to use those in the giant labyrinth! I only hope I'll have wasted all their wishes before they reach it...

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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2010, 04:28:30 PM »
You do know that chromatic dragonwrought kobolds dont have many years after venerable left? It's metallics that DO have many years left...
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2010, 06:02:04 PM »
Just by eyeballing it I'd put it at about CR 28. Hmm, make that 30 with the unbeatable SR.
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2010, 06:08:15 PM »
Maf what CR's are these supposed to be?
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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2010, 06:17:51 PM »
My recommendation: Trim the Paragon template a bit. Cut most things in half (DR is fine in the errata version), stat boosts at +8. Max+12/level HP should be fine, since it's the campaign finisher - only trim it if they're slacking in their damage output. SR no higher than 40.

That would put it at a ballpark CR 24/25 according to Eyeball CR. A group of 4 level 20 guys who know what they're doing can handle it.
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Re: I'll be needing help on this one...
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2010, 02:28:11 AM »
You do know that chromatic dragonwrought kobolds dont have many years after venerable left? It's metallics that DO have many years left...

No, I didn't knew about that, but since it's a campaign plot-point, I didn't really bother myself with that, I only wanted them to have the +3 to mental stats.

Just by eyeballing it I'd put it at about CR 28. Hmm, make that 30 with the unbeatable SR.
Maf what CR's are these supposed to be?
I have no idea what CR they are supposed to be, that's why I wanted to post everything. It's my first campaign and I guess I might have taken a too big challenge there, but we're having fun anyway ;P

I would have liked finishing my posts sooner, but I didn't get to see my players yet, to fill the player characters' stats. I'm also leaving for about a week so I still won't get to do it, but when I come back, I should finish my first post. Thanks for not deleting this yet ;P Thanks also for everyone's help until now and thanks skydragonknight for your idea!

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Re: I'll be needing help on this one...
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2010, 10:01:55 AM »
You do know that chromatic dragonwrought kobolds dont have many years after venerable left? It's metallics that DO have many years left...
What about planar dragons?