Gang, gang calm. Ty all for the help. It was funny to see the gamers act like it was some mega omfg beast but I got to remember that in 2nd edition it was. I thought I read some where you can throw big T into the positive energy plain and that would help kill it. But the force cube and a mess load of water also help. LOL too fun. Oh Linguist, in your first post you had rogue 15/ghost5. Where did you get ghost from if I may ask, ty in advance.