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Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« on: July 24, 2010, 07:51:23 PM »
I've been playing as an Artificer and began building a set of mitheral full plate...and it seems like its going to take a VERY long time.
Craft DC (20) x Average craft check (25) = 500 silver pieces worth of work each week.  So 50/10,500 complete.
Assuming this rate continues; my Artificer with a +15 craft armor check will need 210 weeks to complete his mitheral full plate.

...so am i calculating this right? And if so, has anyone tried any alternate craft rules? (specifically for special materials or otherwise)

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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2010, 08:05:53 PM »
whats your build, your books, and can you make any changes?
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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2010, 08:22:08 PM »
Can't you increase the craft DC to work faster?
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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2010, 08:24:47 PM »
Build a Fabricate device first and end all mundane crafting issues?
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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2010, 08:32:16 PM »
we do have a crafting handbook dont we?
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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2010, 08:33:07 PM »
Only level 8; not really much to change.  DM only allows taking the artisan feats from the eberron setting twice each.  I took the 25% off gold and exp feats twice and the 25% off build time once.

The fabricate machine is totally doable... but takes away from the role-playing aspect.  I'd like to wear armor 'built with my own hands'

I have increased the DC up to 25; but thats still only 25x25 resulting in 62.5 gold per week.  I just find it frustrating that I've built the entire 'Array of the Manticore' valued at 42,000 in about 30 days but 10,500 mitheral plate will take years.

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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2010, 08:35:31 PM »
Only level 8; not really much to change.  DM only allows taking the artisan feats from the eberron setting twice each.  I took the 25% off gold and exp feats twice and the 25% off build time once.

The fabricate machine is totally doable... but takes away from the role-playing aspect.  I'd like to wear armor 'built with my own hands'

I have increased the DC up to 25; but thats still only 25x25 resulting in 62.5 gold per week.  I just find it frustrating that I've built the entire 'Array of the Manticore' valued at 42,000 in about 30 days but 10,500 mitheral plate will take years.

Those feats should only be taken once each, the note at the bottom is a typo.

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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2010, 08:39:51 PM »
Errata said that?

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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2010, 08:43:44 PM »
Those feats should only be taken once each, the note at the bottom is a typo.


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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2010, 08:53:31 PM »
Errata said that?
Yes.

See if you can craft yourself a minor schema of Magecraft (or else buy it, it's only 400 gp). That spell gives you +5 to Craft checks. With that, you can safely increase the DC by 10, as per the Craft skill description, allowing you to work significantly faster while still taking ten and succeeding. For further increases to your Craft check, see if you can get the rest of the party to Aid Another on your Craft checks for another +2 each.
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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2010, 08:56:13 PM »
First thing I built as an Artificer was a "Hammer of MageCraft"

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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2010, 09:01:36 PM »
First thing I built as an Artificer was a "Hammer of MageCraft"
So that's already included? Yeah, then get everyone you know who will do you favors for free to Aid Another. See if you can buy (or craft) an item that gives you a big competence bonus on Craft checks. Magecraft also provides a Competence bonus, but at Artificer 8 you get 4th level infusions, so you can use Item Alteration on the item to make it a Luck bonus or whatever instead. After you don't need it anymore, you can either keep it around in case you need to make a big Crafting order again, sell it (for profit if you crafted it yourself), or destroy it and get the XP back with Retain Essence.
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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2010, 09:03:12 PM »
Masterwork tools for another small boost?
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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2010, 09:10:22 PM »
Those feats should only be taken once each, the note at the bottom is a typo.


Thats a really interesting story; I hope there's a sequal that answers my question.

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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2010, 09:11:31 PM »
Yeah, I was just using 25 as an example average craft check.  My artificer has a +21 when crafting most things.  My main concern is still that if i manage to get a usual roll of 40 and up the DC to 40 then I still only produce 160 gold per week; giving me an overall crafting time of just over a year.  

I've considered the idea of keeping the gold value of mitheral full plate as equal to that of normal full plate for the purpose of craft time only.  It would still cost 1/3 of 10,500 but you would only need to craft up to the value of 1,650.
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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2010, 09:42:04 PM »
Errata said that?
Yes.
Text trumps table anyway. The feats themselves don't say that they can be taken multiple times.

Otherwise you could take all the -25% crafting feats four times and be Emiya Shirou, crafting things like these as a free action and discarding them when they run out of power.
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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2010, 10:27:49 PM »
Is your hammer worth at least 2,000 gp? Can you make it be worth that much?  If the answer to either question is yes, consider grabbing the Item Familiar feat at level 9 and investing ranks into it to get an even bigger bonus to Craft checks from it.

And don't be a dick to Littha for pointing out that you're doing it wrong.

EDIT: In fact, you might want to ask your DM if you can just retrain one of your bogus duplicate feats into Item Familiar right now.  It would get you started boosting your craft checks for accelerated building faster, and you'd already be moving away from having them for when the DM realizes what a stupid move that is to allow multiple copies of those feats and bans doing it.
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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2010, 10:58:29 PM »
And don't be a dick to Littha for pointing out that you're doing it wrong.

Cute.
I'm sorry, I was just making light of how the post really helped me in no way at all and didn't really pertain to the conversation.

Honesty the thing that drew me to D&D in the first place was the fact that the rules and content are completely maleable at the discretion of each play group.  My group has no problem making changes to feats/classes/races/spells or simply introducing our own.  I really feel like making changes to the game is an important part of maximizing your gaming experience. 
So from the perspective of those who feel that changing the rules can improve the game... your doing it wrong.

(I also find it humerous that you missed the whole point of coming up with alternate rules for building items with special materials since I'm sure your suggestion isn't going to raise the bonus by rediculous amounts.)

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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2010, 11:02:34 PM »
Yeah, doubling your effective craft ranks and maintaining that with each level isn't very much.

Whatever.  If your DM doesn't care about the broken stuff, and you revel in changing the rules, just give him five bucks and tell him to change the craft time to two days.
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Re: Mitheral Full Plate: Creation time 4 years
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2010, 11:13:45 PM »
Yeah, doubling your effective craft ranks and maintaining that with each level isn't very much.

Whatever.  If your DM doesn't care about the broken stuff, and you revel in changing the rules, just give him five bucks and tell him to change the craft time to two days.

Very constructive. Thank you.
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