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Feats that can count as other feats
« on: July 24, 2010, 07:34:00 PM »
There was a thread by this name at GitP. Interesting stuff.
EDIT: New one.

Anyway, it inspired me to come up with some material of my own:


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Tireless [Fighter]
You can just keep going.
Prerequisites: Con 15
Benefit: You are immune to fatigue. Any effect which would cause you to become exhausted causes you to become fatigued instead.
Special: Tireless can be used in place of the Endurance feat to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability.
Special: A barbarian receives this feat as a bonus feat at 17th level.
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Weapon Bond [Fighter]
The sword is your soul.
Prerequisites: Proficiency with selected weapon
Benefit: Once per round, you may take 10 on an attack roll with the selected weapon. You gain a +4 bonus on checks made to avoid being disarmed of the weapon.
Special: You may choose a set of weapons (eg. rapier and dagger) instead of a single weapon. In this case you apply the benefits to all these weapons, but unless you wield the entire set you take a -4 penalty on attack rolls.
Special: Weapon Bond can be used in place of the Weapon Focus feat to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability.
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Weapon Mastery [Fighter]
Prerequisites: Weapon Bond (selected weapon), base attack bonus +3
Benefit: You gain a bonus on damage rolls with the selected weapon with the selected weapon equal to half your BAB. Any special attack which uses the weapon in some way increases its DC by 1 (or you gain a +1 bonus on the check, as appropriate).
Special: Greater Weapon Bond can be used in place of the Weapon Specialisation feat to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability.
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Greater Weapon Bond [Fighter]
Prerequisites: Weapon Bond (selected weapon), Weapon Mastery (selected weapon), base attack bonus +6
Benefit: You may take 10 on all attack rolls with the weapon you selected for Weapon Bond.
Special: Greater Weapon Bond can be used in place of the Greater Weapon Focus feat to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability.
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Greater Weapon Mastery [Fighter]
Prerequisites: Weapon Bond (selected weapon), Weapon Mastery (selected weapon), base attack bonus +9
Benefit: You gain a bonus on damage rolls with the selected weapon with the selected weapon equal to your BAB. Any special attack which uses the weapon in some way increases its DC by 2 (or you gain a +2 bonus on the check, as appropriate). This replaces the benefit from Weapon Mastery.
Special: Greater Weapon Mastery can be used in place of the Greater Weapon Specialisation feat to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability.
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Enhanced Critical [Fighter]
Benefit: Select one weapon. Your critical multiplier with that weapon is increased by 1. This stacks with keen edge and similar effects. In addition, you gain a +4 bonus on rolls made to confirm critical threats.
Special: Enhanced Critical can be used in place of the Improved Critical feat to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability.
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Armor Training [Fighter]
Your experience with armor is unusually specific.
Benefit: Select one type of armor. You are proficient with that armor, and its maximum Dex bonus is increased by 1 while its armor check penalty is reduced by 1 and its Arcane Spell Failure chance is reduced by 5%.
Special: Armor Training can be used in place of the Armor Proficiency feat of the chosen armor's weight class to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability, as well as the Armor Proficiency feats for all lower weight classes (eg. a character with Armor Training [full plate] would count as having proficiency in light, medium and heavy armor).
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Pressure Strike [Fighter]
You know how to find pressure points on your opponent's body even when they shouldn't have any.
Prerequisites: Wis 13, Heal 8 ranks
Benefit: As a free action you may expend a use of this ability, allowing you to strike an opponent's weak points for 1 round. Whenever you make an attack you may choose for it to deal half damage. In exchange any creature struck must make a Fortitude save (DC = 10 + half character level + Wis modifier) or be stunned for 1 round, even if they would normally be immune to stunning. You may use this ability once per day for every four levels you have attained - each use allows you to apply it to any of your attacks for 1 round (you need not apply it to all of your attacks).
Special: A monk may select Pressure Strike as a bonus feat at 1st level, even if she does not meet the prerequisites. A monk who selects this feat may use the feat a number of times per day equal to her monk level, plus one more time per day for every four levels she has in classes other than monk.
Special: Pressure Strike can be used in place of the Stunning Fist feat to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability. You may spend Pressure Strike uses the same way you can spend Stunning Fist uses, and any feat that grants you additional Stunning Fist uses instead grants you additional Pressure Strike uses. Feats which modify the effects of Stunning Fist instead apply to Pressure Strike.
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Ki Wave
You can project blasts of spiritual energy.
Prerequisites: Wis 13, Concentration 8 ranks, proficiency with selected weapon
Benefit: Select one melee weapon with which you are proficient. For 1 round you may use that weapon to make ranged attacks with an increment of 5ft, +5ft per point of Wisdom modifier. This is treated as an attack with a thrown weapon, but your weapon does not leave your hands. You may use this ability once per day for every four levels you have attained.
Special: A monk may select Ki Wave as a bonus feat at 1st level, even if she does not meet the prerequisites. A monk who selects this feat may use the feat a number of times per day equal to her monk level, plus one more time per day for every four levels she has in classes other than monk.
Special: Ki Wave can be used in place of the Stunning Fist feat to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability. You may spend Ki Wave uses the same way you can spend Stunning Fist uses, and any feat that grants you additional Stunning Fist uses instead grants you additional Ki Wave uses.
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Ki Storm
You can project your spiritual energy forward in a massive stream.
Prerequisites: Wis 15, Ki Wave
Benefit: As a standard action you may expend two uses of Ki Wave to perform a special attack with the weapon you selected for that feat. This attack takes the form of a line with a length of 10ft per monk level (+10ft for every four levels in a class other than monk) and deals extra damage equal to your Wis modifier. Creatures in affected squares can make a Reflex save (DC = 10 + 1/2 your character level + your Wis modifier) for half damage. After using this attack you must wait 1d4 rounds before using it again.
Special: Ki Storm can be used in place of a breath weapon to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability, and effects which modify breath weapons may be applied to it. A monk may select Ki Storm as a bonus feat at 2nd level, even if she does not meet the prerequisites.
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Projectile Deflection [Fighter]
Can't touch this.
Prerequisites: Dex 13
Benefit: You gain a +3 bonus to AC against ranged attacks as long as you are not flat-footed.
Special: A monk may select Projectile Deflection as a bonus feat at 2nd level, even if she does not meet the prerequisites. Projectile Deflection can be used in place of the Deflect Arrows feat to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability.
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Projectile Reflection [Fighter]
You make immortal red-haired sorcerers nervous.
Prerequisites: Dex 15, Projectile Deflection
Benefit: Whenever a ranged attack against you misses by an amount smaller than or equal to the bonus from Projectile Deflection, you may either grab the projectile (as long as you are capable of holding it) or redirect it against the original attacker as a free action (make a new attack roll with the weapon). If you reflect a ranged spell in this manner you take a -4 penalty for non-proficiency unless you have that spell on the spell list of one of your classes or you succeed in a Use Magic Device check to emulate it.
Special: Projectile Reflection can be used in place of the Snatch Arrows feat to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability.
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Master Deflection [Fighter]
Prerequisites: Projectile Deflection
Benefit: You can take a penalty on all attack rolls up to half your BAB, and increase the AC bonus granted by Projectile Deflection against ranged attacks by double the amount. The changes to attack rolls and Armor Class last until your next action.
Special: Master Deflection can be used in place of the Combat Expertise feat to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability.
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Spelldancer [Fighter]
Prerequisites: Arcane caster level 1st, proficiency with longsword or rapier, Perform (dance) 4 ranks
Benefit: You may use your arcane caster level in place of your base attack bonus when attacking with a longsword or rapier in one hand and nothing in the other. You cannot attack with weapons other than your longsword or rapier in the round you gain this benefit (including touch spells, but not spells channeled through the weapon).
Special: Spelldancer can be used in place of the Weapon Focus (longsword or rapier) feat to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability. An elf wizard may select this feat as one of his bonus feats.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2011, 10:56:28 PM by Prime32 »
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The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2010, 12:12:44 AM »
Isn't weapon bond better than weapon focus?

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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2010, 12:56:49 AM »
Isn't weapon bond better than weapon focus?
Isn't everything better than Weapon Focus?

Knowledge Devotion gets you the same bonuses (minus the disarm thing) with all weapons and even spells, and that's before you take ranks in Knowledge skills.


I'm worried if Armor Training granting an AC bonus is too much.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2010, 12:59:59 AM by Prime32 »
My work
The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2010, 01:06:50 AM »
Isn't everything better than Weapon Focus?
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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2010, 01:22:03 AM »
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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2010, 02:13:28 AM »
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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2010, 06:04:58 AM »
:fu ;)
« Last Edit: July 26, 2010, 06:06:38 AM by Prime32 »
My work
The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2010, 06:30:27 AM »
:fu ;)

Wait... wait... I've got it.

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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2010, 10:30:51 AM »
It's an interesting idea, but some need work.  Exotic Weapon Style is particularly egregious.  Perma-Wraith Strike is not something that should just be handed out.  Sure, you take a -4 penalty on your attacks, but who cares?  You're making touch attacks!
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[spoiler]
Quote from: Cafiend
It is a shame stupidity isn't painful.
Quote from: StormKnight
Totally true.  Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment.
Quote from: Grand Theft Otto
Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
Quote from: CryoSilver
I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife.  A dull, rusty knife.  A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife.
Quote from: Seerow
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Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2010, 10:47:49 AM »
It's an interesting idea, but some need work.  Exotic Weapon Style is particularly egregious.  Perma-Wraith Strike is not something that should just be handed out.  Sure, you take a -4 penalty on your attacks, but who cares?  You're making touch attacks!
In my defence, no one takes EWP for any weapon that isn't spiked chain, and this feat takes away its advantages.

Where's that chart of AC vs. touch AC at various levels again?
« Last Edit: July 26, 2010, 10:49:28 AM by Prime32 »
My work
The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2010, 11:27:23 AM »
Seems handy for power attacking with a big weapon and not trashing your AC with Shock Trooper.

Also, rogues would like this since they'll likely be denying their opponent their Dex bonus to AC, so you're attacking against very few AC bonuses for a flat -4 to hit.


Of course, this all boosts non-casters more than casters, so maybe it doesn't really matter.  MOAR ROCKET TAG!
My balancing 3.5 compendium
Elemental mage test game

Quotes
[spoiler]
Quote from: Cafiend
It is a shame stupidity isn't painful.
Quote from: StormKnight
Totally true.  Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment.
Quote from: Grand Theft Otto
Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
Quote from: CryoSilver
I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife.  A dull, rusty knife.  A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife.
Quote from: Seerow
Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
Quote from: claypigeons
I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet.
Quote from: CryoSilver
When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!"
Quote from: Orville_Oaksong
Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2010, 08:44:15 AM »
My brain fizzles when I try to figure out if some version of this is balanced:
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Spelldancer [Fighter]
Prerequisites: Arcane caster level 1st, proficiency with longsword or rapier, Perform (dance) 4 ranks
Benefit: While wielding a longsword or rapier in one hand and nothing in the other, you may make arcane caster level checks in place of attack rolls. You cannot attack with weapons other than your longsword or rapier in the round you gain this benefit (including touch spells, but not spells channeled through an appropriate weapon).
Special: Spelldancer can be used in place of the Weapon Focus (longsword or rapier) feat to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability.
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Spelldancer [Fighter]
Prerequisites: Arcane caster level 1st, proficiency with longsword or rapier, Perform (dance) 4 ranks
Benefit: While wielding a longsword or rapier in one hand and nothing in the other, you may use your highest arcane caster level in place of your base attack bonus. You cannot attack with weapons other than your longsword or rapier in the round you gain this benefit (including touch spells, but not spells channeled through an appropriate weapon).
Special: Spelldancer can be used in place of the Weapon Focus (longsword or rapier) feat to qualify for a feat, prestige class, or other special ability.
My work
The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2010, 09:30:38 AM »
So it's just CL + d20?  I suppose there are some good CL boosters out there, but other than that, you're missing out on an ability modifier.  I suppose applied to a 1/2 BAB caster, this would eventually out perform a basic attack.

How does this work with iterative attacks?  Do you still apply the cumulative -5 penalty to each after the first?
My balancing 3.5 compendium
Elemental mage test game

Quotes
[spoiler]
Quote from: Cafiend
It is a shame stupidity isn't painful.
Quote from: StormKnight
Totally true.  Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment.
Quote from: Grand Theft Otto
Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
Quote from: CryoSilver
I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife.  A dull, rusty knife.  A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife.
Quote from: Seerow
Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
Quote from: claypigeons
I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet.
Quote from: CryoSilver
When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!"
Quote from: Orville_Oaksong
Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2010, 10:39:37 AM »
So it's just CL + d20?  I suppose there are some good CL boosters out there, but other than that, you're missing out on an ability modifier.
For the former, yes. For the latter, I was relying on one-handed combat being a poor style which most mage builds can't pull off very well even with full BAB (and if they have ways to make it work, they likely have better BAB anyway). It also stops you from carrying staffs, etc.

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How does this work with iterative attacks?  Do you still apply the cumulative -5 penalty to each after the first?
Yes.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2010, 10:43:55 AM by Prime32 »
My work
The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2010, 10:57:57 AM »
It's interesting.  I don't think it's overpowered, but I'm trying to think if it's worth a feat.  I suppose it can help give you the feeling of a gish-type character with much less investment, and probably no CL loss.  Still, it seems most pure wizards would still shy away from melee, and any true gish is likely to be running several buffs that won't stack with this feat.

Having it count as WF is probably the most valuable part.
My balancing 3.5 compendium
Elemental mage test game

Quotes
[spoiler]
Quote from: Cafiend
It is a shame stupidity isn't painful.
Quote from: StormKnight
Totally true.  Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment.
Quote from: Grand Theft Otto
Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
Quote from: CryoSilver
I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife.  A dull, rusty knife.  A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife.
Quote from: Seerow
Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
Quote from: claypigeons
I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet.
Quote from: CryoSilver
When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!"
Quote from: Orville_Oaksong
Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
[/spoiler]

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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2010, 12:28:06 PM »
Nifty, but I probably wouldn't use it for any serious gish, since they're better off using real attack bonus most of the time.

On the other hand, you COULD blow a full Power Attack on this with a duskblade and then use your caster level to hit anyway. That you're using a one hander doesn't matter so much when you add a little Emerald Razor and a touch spell of choice.
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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2010, 12:51:15 PM »
Note that you still need proficiency with longswords or rapiers. Which means that elf mages get easier access.

On the other hand, you COULD blow a full Power Attack on this with a duskblade and then use your caster level to hit anyway. That you're using a one hander doesn't matter so much when you add a little Emerald Razor and a touch spell of choice.
Doesn't work. Your CL replaces your BAB, which is what you used at step one. And a duskblade has full BAB anyway.
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The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2010, 12:57:06 PM »
Seems to me it says "your CL check replaces your attack roll" not "your caster level replaces your base attack bonus". The latter is more useable(though the weapon requirement is honestly inane, just make it any one handed or light weapon?), while the former is more abusable.
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"Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."

[spoiler]
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill

To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2010, 12:59:17 PM »
Seems to me it says "your CL check replaces your attack roll" not "your caster level replaces your base attack bonus".
I posted two versions of the feat. Why did you think that was? :p The BAB version has been added to the OP.
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The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Feats that can count as other feats
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2010, 10:37:14 AM »
Clarify:
Extra Iteratives?
Replace BAB requirements?
Sacrifice in place of BAB?
Switching between BAB/CL?
The mind transcends the body.
It's also a little cold because of that.
Please get it a blanket.

I wish I could read your mind,
I can barely read mine.

"Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."

[spoiler]
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill

To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
[/spoiler]

There is no higher price than 'free'.

"I won't die. I've been ordered not to die."