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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2010, 10:51:15 AM »
Divine Fortune might not be a bad idea.  Immediate action +4 untyped bonus on next saving throw.  Being undead, you can ignore most Fort saves, but for the few that do matter, you'll be coming up pretty short.  Sure you reappear eventually, but who wants to be out of action for 1d10 days because somebody had brains enough to pack Disintegrate?
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2010, 11:51:12 AM »
Divine Justice isn't a bad one, either. Especially if you move into the front lines, or expect to get involved with a big bruiser in a fight. PHB2 page 88.
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2010, 12:47:54 PM »
Divine Justice isn't a bad one, either. Especially if you move into the front lines, or expect to get involved with a big bruiser in a fight. PHB2 page 88.
Hmmm... am I missing something, or could you use this to do a truckload of damage with your paralyzing poke against touch AC?
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2010, 02:11:22 PM »
Divine Justice isn't a bad one, either. Especially if you move into the front lines, or expect to get involved with a big bruiser in a fight. PHB2 page 88.
Hmmm... am I missing something, or could you use this to do a truckload of damage with your paralyzing poke against touch AC?
You could :) Have to get hit by a single attack that deals that truckload of damage first, though.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2010, 08:26:04 PM »
Divine Fortune might not be a bad idea.  Immediate action +4 untyped bonus on next saving throw.  Being undead, you can ignore most Fort saves, but for the few that do matter, you'll be coming up pretty short.  Sure you reappear eventually, but who wants to be out of action for 1d10 days because somebody had brains enough to pack Disintegrate?

Spellblade(disintigrate) should probably be used.
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2010, 08:31:35 PM »
Divine Fortune might not be a bad idea.  Immediate action +4 untyped bonus on next saving throw.  Being undead, you can ignore most Fort saves, but for the few that do matter, you'll be coming up pretty short.  Sure you reappear eventually, but who wants to be out of action for 1d10 days because somebody had brains enough to pack Disintegrate?

Spellblade(disintigrate) should probably be used.

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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2010, 08:32:10 PM »
Divine Fortune might not be a bad idea.  Immediate action +4 untyped bonus on next saving throw.  Being undead, you can ignore most Fort saves, but for the few that do matter, you'll be coming up pretty short.  Sure you reappear eventually, but who wants to be out of action for 1d10 days because somebody had brains enough to pack Disintegrate?

Spellblade(disintigrate) should probably be used.
or AMF.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2010, 08:33:41 PM »
Divine Fortune might not be a bad idea.  Immediate action +4 untyped bonus on next saving throw.  Being undead, you can ignore most Fort saves, but for the few that do matter, you'll be coming up pretty short.  Sure you reappear eventually, but who wants to be out of action for 1d10 days because somebody had brains enough to pack Disintegrate?

Spellblade(disintigrate) should probably be used.
or AMF.
Only works on targed spells.  From Player's Guide to Faerun.
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2010, 08:55:28 PM »
Divine Fortune might not be a bad idea.  Immediate action +4 untyped bonus on next saving throw.  Being undead, you can ignore most Fort saves, but for the few that do matter, you'll be coming up pretty short.  Sure you reappear eventually, but who wants to be out of action for 1d10 days because somebody had brains enough to pack Disintegrate?

Spellblade(disintigrate) should probably be used.
or AMF.
Only works on targed spells.  From Player's Guide to Faerun.
I meant AMF instead of the spellblade.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2010, 09:36:42 PM »
Divine Justice isn't a bad one, either. Especially if you move into the front lines, or expect to get involved with a big bruiser in a fight. PHB2 page 88.
Hmmm... am I missing something, or could you use this to do a truckload of damage with your paralyzing poke against touch AC?
You could :) Have to get hit by a single attack that deals that truckload of damage first, though.
  Rings of Friend Shield splitting off incoming damage to undead minions or subdued hostages?
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2010, 12:54:53 AM »
As an Undead, what are some other Spells I should be looking out for?
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2010, 01:01:23 AM »
Spark of Life wrecks a lot of your immunities if you blow your Will save, though that's not quite as dangerous as a Fort save effect (it does leave you wide open to Fort save effects, though).

Night's Caress (or even the poor man's version Chill Touch) panics you without regard for your fear immunity for 1d4 rounds +1 round per caster level, effectively taking you out of a fight if it works.

Anything Cure/Heal is a problem for you.  Oh, and if you see a cleric/master of radiance/radiant servant coming, run like hell.  Boosted healing abilities and 30 free searing lights/sunbeams per day is no joke.
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2010, 03:27:33 AM »
So this is what I have come up with.

Race: Evolved Undead (1) Good Lich Human

1)  Stalwart Sorcerer(Spell Shield) 1; Expeditious Dodge{RotW}[1st], Mobility{SRD}[HBF]
2)  Stalwart Sorcerer(Spell Shield) 2;
3)  Stalwart Sorcerer(Spell Shield) 3; Practiced Spellcaster{CDiv}[2nd]
4)  Stalwart Sorcerer(Spell Shield) 4; [+1 CHA]
5)  Stalwart Sorcerer(Spell Shield) 5;
6)  Stalwart Sorcerer(Spell Shield) 6; Combat Casting{SRD}[3rd]
7)  Swiftblade 1;
8)  Swiftblade 2; [+1 CHA]
9)  Swiftblade 3; Arcane Strike{CArc}[4th]
10) Swiftblade 4;
11) Swiftblade 5;
12) Swiftblade 6; [+1 CHA], Ability Focus(Paralyzing Touch){SRD}[5th]
13) Swiftblade 7;
14) Swiftblade 8;
15) Swiftblade 9; Law Devotion{CChp}[6th]
16) Swiftblade 10; [+1 CHA]
17) Abjurant Champion 1;
18) Abjurant Champion 2; Trickery Devotion{CChp}[7th]
19) Abjurant Champion 3;
20) Abjurant Champion 4; [+1 CHA]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
21) Abjurant Champion 5; ???[8th]
22) Fatespinner 1;
23) Fatespinner 2;
24) Fatespinner 3; Epic Spellcasting{SRD}[9th], [+1 CHA]
25) Fatespinner 4;
26) Fatespinner 5;
27)    ; [10th]
28)    ; [+1 CHA]
29)    ;
30)    ; [11th]

STR 13 (3) [11+2] To Qualify for Power Attack and other Feats with Heroics. Otherwise completely worthless
DEX 14 (6) [14] For Ranged Touch Attacks, AC, Reflex, and Init, and to Qualify for Feats. Will probably be bumped up with a Tome and/or Items to 20.
CON - (0) [8]
INT 14 (4) [12+2] Extra Skill Points and to Qualify for Feats
WIS 13 (3) [11+2] All the extra points went here. For Will and to Qualify for Feats. Will probably be bumped up with a Tome
CHA 22 (16) [18+4] Main Stat for virtually everything important, including Attack/Damage rolls with Slippers of Battledancing. Will be bumped up with a Tome, Enhancement Item, and Ability Bonus from Levels.


I also Need some clarification on some of the text for Slippers of Battledancing:
By "...As long as he uses his Base Land Speed to move (a fly, swim, burrowing, or climb speed)..." does it mean the movement mode my character has must have a speed of his Base Land Speed, must be calculated off Base Land Speed, or the item is just worded really weirdly and works as long as he moves?
« Last Edit: July 27, 2010, 12:56:26 AM by TC X0 Lt 0X »
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2010, 03:37:33 AM »
I think there's a "not" missing there.
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2010, 04:25:14 AM »
Are you talking about in the description for the Slippers of Battledancing? That is how it is in the book and I could not find an Errata for DMG2.
Though I would not be surprised, the text makes much more sense that way.

EDIT:
Huh, now that I read the text more closely, it seems to suggest that all you get for walking your base land speed is the +2 to Init. It seems that it is not necessary to gain CHA to Attack/Damage Rolls. Is this just more bad wording or am I just to sleepy?
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2010, 06:58:17 AM »
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2010, 08:08:08 AM »
Spark of Life wrecks a lot of your immunities if you blow your Will save, though that's not quite as dangerous as a Fort save effect (it does leave you wide open to Fort save effects, though).

Night's Caress (or even the poor man's version Chill Touch) panics you without regard for your fear immunity for 1d4 rounds +1 round per caster level, effectively taking you out of a fight if it works.

Anything Cure/Heal is a problem for you.  Oh, and if you see a cleric/master of radiance/radiant servant coming, run like hell.  Boosted healing abilities and 30 free searing lights/sunbeams per day is no joke.
That's why I said to use an AMF. None of that even works then.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
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Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2010, 11:23:26 AM »
Spark of Life wrecks a lot of your immunities if you blow your Will save, though that's not quite as dangerous as a Fort save effect (it does leave you wide open to Fort save effects, though).

Night's Caress (or even the poor man's version Chill Touch) panics you without regard for your fear immunity for 1d4 rounds +1 round per caster level, effectively taking you out of a fight if it works.

Anything Cure/Heal is a problem for you.  Oh, and if you see a cleric/master of radiance/radiant servant coming, run like hell.  Boosted healing abilities and 30 free searing lights/sunbeams per day is no joke.
That's why I said to use an AMF. None of that even works then.
but at the same time, it turns off everything else you have.  Your spellcasting, your touch attack, even your DR.  You're worse off than those you're trying to protect yourself from.
I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle.  The book doesn't even exist!

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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2010, 11:36:56 AM »
Spark of Life wrecks a lot of your immunities if you blow your Will save, though that's not quite as dangerous as a Fort save effect (it does leave you wide open to Fort save effects, though).

Night's Caress (or even the poor man's version Chill Touch) panics you without regard for your fear immunity for 1d4 rounds +1 round per caster level, effectively taking you out of a fight if it works.

Anything Cure/Heal is a problem for you.  Oh, and if you see a cleric/master of radiance/radiant servant coming, run like hell.  Boosted healing abilities and 30 free searing lights/sunbeams per day is no joke.
That's why I said to use an AMF. None of that even works then.
but at the same time, it turns off everything else you have.  Your spellcasting, your touch attack, even your DR.  You're worse off than those you're trying to protect yourself from.
Extraordinary Spell Aim fixes that, as does initiate of mystra, or one of the other ways to get around it. And you still have your immunities.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: Optimized Lich Character
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2010, 12:28:02 PM »
Spark of Life wrecks a lot of your immunities if you blow your Will save, though that's not quite as dangerous as a Fort save effect (it does leave you wide open to Fort save effects, though).

Night's Caress (or even the poor man's version Chill Touch) panics you without regard for your fear immunity for 1d4 rounds +1 round per caster level, effectively taking you out of a fight if it works.

Anything Cure/Heal is a problem for you.  Oh, and if you see a cleric/master of radiance/radiant servant coming, run like hell.  Boosted healing abilities and 30 free searing lights/sunbeams per day is no joke.
That's why I said to use an AMF. None of that even works then.
but at the same time, it turns off everything else you have.  Your spellcasting, your touch attack, even your DR.  You're worse off than those you're trying to protect yourself from.
Extraordinary Spell Aim fixes that, as does initiate of mystra, or one of the other ways to get around it. And you still have your immunities.
And leaves you open to everything again, since AMF doesn't block line of effect.  Initiate of Mystara works for your spells, but not your Supernatural abilities.  Invoke Magic is a 9th level spell and only lets you cast a single 4th level or lower.  Other than that, nothing will help you.
I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle.  The book doesn't even exist!

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