Wacky Idea

[SeekingKnight]

Ok gang I was thinking over ideas of other PCs I could build if my dread necro gets shut down if I shut down some encounters by using intimidate and I came up with something fun.

Now I would love to hear ideas on how to make an Expert optimized.  I was thinking I pick a solid 10 skills like bluff, diplomacy, use magic device and others.  Then take things like skill focus (x) and see how far I could get along.  All help is welcome.

Peace.

[PhaedrusXY]

Don't forget Intimidate. With the right feats, you can make a fear build. That plus Use Magic Device, and maybe Diplomacy, should let you build a fairly optimized character.

[Gavinfoxx]

Autohypnosis! Iajutsu focus!

[The_Mad_Linguist]

See if you can get that breakdancing build past your DM.

[SeekingKnight]

LOL you mean go for the jumplomancer except use perform (breakdance0 and see what happens?  Heheh I never thought of autohypnosis nor iajutsu focus.  You all are so much fun, thanks!!

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Nah, there's some feat that lets you substitute perform(dance) for concentration, and another one that lets you intimidate people with concentration, and some sort of duel of wills thing which uses intimidate.  So there's this intense staredown, and then you start breakdancing.

[archangel.arcanis]

Nah, there's some feat that lets you substitute perform(dance) for concentration, and another one that lets you intimidate people with concentration, and some sort of duel of wills thing which uses intimidate.  So there's this intense staredown, and then you start breakdancing.

Wasn't there some build that used that plus irresistible dance to force all of their enemies to dance too?

[SeekingKnight]

OMG  I soo have to do this now and using an expert will blow their minds as it is not a class one would think of doing something like that.  Tonight will be hit the books to find said feats.

[archangel.arcanis]

the one i'm thinking of is Lord of the Dance by nexius but can't find a working link to it.

[PhaedrusXY]

Nah, there's some feat that lets you substitute perform(dance) for concentration, and another one that lets you intimidate people with concentration, and some sort of duel of wills thing which uses intimidate.  So there's this intense staredown, and then you start breakdancing.

And then you shout "YOU GOT SERVED!", right?

[Gavinfoxx]

If you are going to be focusing on skills...

Might wanna read this, and familiarize yourself with it!

http://chet.kindredcircle.org/pdf/DnD3.5Index-Skills_Actions.pdf

[Endarire]

Why not be a Factotum (Dungeonscape) instead?

[snakeman830]

Nah, there's some feat that lets you substitute perform(dance) for concentration, and another one that lets you intimidate people with concentration, and some sort of duel of wills thing which uses intimidate.  So there's this intense staredown, and then you start breakdancing.

Both feats that do that only do so for Spellcasting purposes.  You need the Bard spell Undersong to get it for all purposes of Concentration.

[SeekingKnight]

Why not be a Factotum (Dungeonscape) instead?

Thought about it but the people i game with are old school gamers.  They are use to fighter fighters, rogue steals, wizards blasts, and cleric heals.  I used a crusader and the things I could do went over their heads, heck the Dm wanted to nerf my healing to like a few times per day.  So yeah, I am playing a Dread Necromancer for now and seeing how it goes.  Playing an expert is more of a "well since I tried everything and I just want to fit in so I will play a npc class and not worry about it much." kind of deal.

[Solo]

Heh. Oldschool gamers.

[Agita]

Lucid Dreaming, of course. Kill stuff in your sleep. Literally.

[Dragonamedrake]

Why not be a Factotum (Dungeonscape) instead?

Thought about it but the people i game with are old school gamers.  They are use to fighter fighters, rogue steals, wizards blasts, and cleric heals.  I used a crusader and the things I could do went over their heads, heck the Dm wanted to nerf my healing to like a few times per day.  So yeah, I am playing a Dread Necromancer for now and seeing how it goes.  Playing an expert is more of a "well since I tried everything and I just want to fit in so I will play a npc class and not worry about it much." kind of deal.

So play a Druid 1-20. Plenty of options and they cant really complain if you take a base class from core from 1 - 20. Or Wizard or Sorc or Cleric. Show em how unbalanced core is by playing by thier rules.

[Nox_Noctis]

Lucid Dreaming, of course. Kill stuff in your sleep. Literally.

And break WBL instantly with scrolls or wands.

[Gavinfoxx]

Yea, play a PHB ONLY Cleric.  Seriously.  "I can make characters awesome using only one book, which isn't even all of 'core'; it ignores the Dungeon Master's Guide, Monster Manual, and the SRD", and then do it! Show them how to play a completely core cleric and rock.  Or say, "Can I make a character using all the resources given to a player to use in these three books, MM, DMG, and PHB?" and then do so, and go make a DRUID?

[Solo]

Making a Core cleric is as easy as saying Thaumaturge.