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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #160 on: July 08, 2010, 10:51:49 PM »
Q 49: Is there a spell or magic item that boost fasting healing or regeneration you naturally posses?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #161 on: July 08, 2010, 10:57:03 PM »
Bump?  ???

Q 40 Is there a pied piper PrC?
To add to this, the pied piper was the flute player who took all the rats out of the city, and drowned them, then took the children when he didn't get paid.

I thought I'd seen something like that once upon a time. Hoping to find it again.
I saw something wotc put out that was themed that way, but it was just an evil bard who did a lot of fascination and mass suggest. It was for an article.
Do you happen to remember how he got his abilities to affect vermin?
The flute was a special magic item that allowed him, as this was right after the release of complete warrior, but before anything else. I don't know the specific effects it had, unfortunately.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #162 on: July 09, 2010, 01:40:27 AM »
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Q 40 Is there a pied piper PrC?
To add to this, the pied piper was the flute player who took all the rats out of the city, and drowned them, then took the children when he didn't get paid.

I thought I'd seen something like that once upon a time. Hoping to find it again.
I saw something wotc put out that was themed that way, but it was just an evil bard who did a lot of fascination and mass suggest. It was for an article.
Do you happen to remember how he got his abilities to affect vermin?
The flute was a special magic item that allowed him, as this was right after the release of complete warrior, but before anything else. I don't know the specific effects it had, unfortunately.
Would the pipes of the sewers be along the lines of what your looking for?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #163 on: July 09, 2010, 01:48:46 AM »
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Q 40 Is there a pied piper PrC?
To add to this, the pied piper was the flute player who took all the rats out of the city, and drowned them, then took the children when he didn't get paid.

I thought I'd seen something like that once upon a time. Hoping to find it again.
I saw something wotc put out that was themed that way, but it was just an evil bard who did a lot of fascination and mass suggest. It was for an article.
Do you happen to remember how he got his abilities to affect vermin?
The flute was a special magic item that allowed him, as this was right after the release of complete warrior, but before anything else. I don't know the specific effects it had, unfortunately.
Would the pipes of the sewers be along the lines of what your looking for?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #164 on: July 09, 2010, 01:49:47 AM »
Would the pipes of the sewers be along the lines of what your looking for?
Possibly? If there's really an article about it, I'd like to read it to know for sure.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #165 on: July 09, 2010, 03:16:23 AM »
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #166 on: July 09, 2010, 12:14:26 PM »
Q 49: Is there a spell or magic item that boost fasting healing or regeneration you naturally posses?
Oh god... there is a spell... but I forget the name. It is a low level cleric and/or druid spell that people used to advocate using before activating your Wand of Lesser Vigor... I think the spell lasted like 1 hr/level, too. So you could just keep it up all day to save on wand costs. Sorry... I can't remember the name, nor the source... Maybe someone else's memory will be jogged by my ramblings. :P
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #167 on: July 09, 2010, 12:24:40 PM »
Q 49: Is there a spell or magic item that boost fasting healing or regeneration you naturally posses?
Oh god... there is a spell... but I forget the name. It is a low level cleric and/or druid spell that people used to advocate using before activating your Wand of Lesser Vigor... I think the spell lasted like 1 hr/level, too. So you could just keep it up all day to save on wand costs. Sorry... I can't remember the name, nor the source... Maybe someone else's memory will be jogged by my ramblings. :P
Although its not a spell or magic item, there is a feat in FCII that increases your regeneration by 1.  Rapid Regeneration, I think it's called.

And I'm curious what this spell is, Phaedrus.  I've never heard of it.

Edit:  I think it might be Healthful Rest (Brd 1/Crl 1/Drd 1) from the SpC.  It lasts 24 hours, and "doubles the subjects' natural healing rate."  It's arguable that this enhances Lesser Vigor, as that isn't natural healing.  But a troll's regeneration is natural healing...

Phaedrus, you're going to wish you never mentioned this  :lmao
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #168 on: July 09, 2010, 01:14:31 PM »
...now look what you did.
Since when did KSB need more Troll-related stuff?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #169 on: July 09, 2010, 01:18:08 PM »
Q 49: Is there a spell or magic item that boost fasting healing or regeneration you naturally posses?
Oh god... there is a spell... but I forget the name. It is a low level cleric and/or druid spell that people used to advocate using before activating your Wand of Lesser Vigor... I think the spell lasted like 1 hr/level, too. So you could just keep it up all day to save on wand costs. Sorry... I can't remember the name, nor the source... Maybe someone else's memory will be jogged by my ramblings. :P
Although its not a spell or magic item, there is a feat in FCII that increases your regeneration by 1.  Rapid Regeneration, I think it's called.

And I'm curious what this spell is, Phaedrus.  I've never heard of it.

Edit:  I think it might be Healthful Rest (Brd 1/Crl 1/Drd 1) from the SpC.  It lasts 24 hours, and "doubles the subjects' natural healing rate."  It's arguable that this enhances Lesser Vigor, as that isn't natural healing.  But a troll's regeneration is natural healing...

Phaedrus, you're going to wish you never mentioned this  :lmao
:lol Lesser Vigor gives you "Fast Healing 1", which is arguably natural healing. That's the way I'd seen this spell being (ab)used, anyway.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #170 on: July 09, 2010, 01:29:03 PM »
Q 49: Is there a spell or magic item that boost fasting healing or regeneration you naturally posses?
Oh god... there is a spell... but I forget the name. It is a low level cleric and/or druid spell that people used to advocate using before activating your Wand of Lesser Vigor... I think the spell lasted like 1 hr/level, too. So you could just keep it up all day to save on wand costs. Sorry... I can't remember the name, nor the source... Maybe someone else's memory will be jogged by my ramblings. :P
Although its not a spell or magic item, there is a feat in FCII that increases your regeneration by 1.  Rapid Regeneration, I think it's called.

And I'm curious what this spell is, Phaedrus.  I've never heard of it.

Edit:  I think it might be Healthful Rest (Brd 1/Crl 1/Drd 1) from the SpC.  It lasts 24 hours, and "doubles the subjects' natural healing rate."  It's arguable that this enhances Lesser Vigor, as that isn't natural healing.  But a troll's regeneration is natural healing...

Phaedrus, you're going to wish you never mentioned this  :lmao
:lol Lesser Vigor gives you "Fast Healing 1", which is arguably natural healing. That's the way I'd seen this spell being (ab)used, anyway.

Depends on whether you consider "Fast Healing" as a natural effect on it's own, or if "Fast Healing" is just a description of an effect, and whether it's natural or not is a completely separate question.  I can see it both ways, but I'd personally fall on the side of Fast Healing just being short hand for "you regain X hp a round", and leave the natural part to wherever you got it from.

Of course, the following text (from d20srd.org) does cloud the issue:  "Except for what is noted here, fast healing is like natural healing."  I suppose you could call my interpretation hitting it with Rule 0 ... :)

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #171 on: July 09, 2010, 01:30:59 PM »
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Q 31b If both feats were taken, could the celestial template be added to a dragon?  Would that even be worth it?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #172 on: July 09, 2010, 01:37:42 PM »
Of course, the following text (from d20srd.org) does cloud the issue:  "Except for what is noted here, fast healing is like natural healing."  I suppose you could call my interpretation hitting it with Rule 0 ... :)
Yes, due to that line your "interpretation" would be house ruling, IMO. That line is explicitly why this combo should work, RAW. And really... who gives a crap if someone wants to burn actual spell slots (or wand charges from a separate wand) to save money on wands that they only use out of combat? Seriously? You are going to be bothered to house rule something like that? They'll be lucky if they even save any money if they're also using that from a wand...
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #173 on: July 09, 2010, 02:01:37 PM »
I don't DM much, so it isn't something I thought too hard about ... :)  Hell, it only occurred to me to look up the text of Fast Healing right before I hit the post button (the bit about that line of text nearly ended up an edit instead of in the original post).  My "house rule" was pretty much just my initial instinctual reaction.

Of course, to a degree, I'll tend to think more towards RAI rather than RAW in some cases, though.  Vigor creating a "natural healing" effect seems a bit odd to me, particularly since it has a duration.  Perhaps if it were an Instantaneous spell, in that it permanently changed your natural healing instead of temporarily giving you magic hp/round.  I suppose if the writer of the spell wanted to make the distinction, he/she would've said "the target heals X hp per round" rather than "the target gets Fast Healing X".  Or it's possible the writer didn't think about it that hard.  No way to really know ... :)

And you're right, compared to the REAL craziness, this is kinda silly to worry over - but then, I'd want to curtail the real craziness too ... :)

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #174 on: July 09, 2010, 05:31:12 PM »
And you're right, compared to the REAL craziness, this is kinda silly to worry over - but then, I'd want to curtail the real craziness too ... :)
You have to choose your battles... unless you want to rewrite the entirety of the D&D 3.5 books... At least if you want to actually put this kind of stuff down in a list of house rules before the game starts...

Or you can just make up stuff willy-nilly in the middle of your games, and piss off all your players to the point where they go find a new DM. (or at least make threads on here to bitch about you :P )
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #175 on: July 09, 2010, 05:34:47 PM »
Q 49: Is there a spell or magic item that boost fasting healing or regeneration you naturally posses?
Oh god... there is a spell... but I forget the name. It is a low level cleric and/or druid spell that people used to advocate using before activating your Wand of Lesser Vigor... I think the spell lasted like 1 hr/level, too. So you could just keep it up all day to save on wand costs. Sorry... I can't remember the name, nor the source... Maybe someone else's memory will be jogged by my ramblings. :P
Although its not a spell or magic item, there is a feat in FCII that increases your regeneration by 1.  Rapid Regeneration, I think it's called.

And I'm curious what this spell is, Phaedrus.  I've never heard of it.

Edit:  I think it might be Healthful Rest (Brd 1/Crl 1/Drd 1) from the SpC.  It lasts 24 hours, and "doubles the subjects' natural healing rate."  It's arguable that this enhances Lesser Vigor, as that isn't natural healing.  But a troll's regeneration is natural healing...

Phaedrus, you're going to wish you never mentioned this  :lmao
:lol Lesser Vigor gives you "Fast Healing 1", which is arguably natural healing. That's the way I'd seen this spell being (ab)used, anyway.

Depends on whether you consider "Fast Healing" as a natural effect on it's own, or if "Fast Healing" is just a description of an effect, and whether it's natural or not is a completely separate question.  I can see it both ways, but I'd personally fall on the side of Fast Healing just being short hand for "you regain X hp a round", and leave the natural part to wherever you got it from.

Of course, the following text (from d20srd.org) does cloud the issue:  "Except for what is noted here, fast healing is like natural healing."  I suppose you could call my interpretation hitting it with Rule 0 ... :)
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #176 on: July 09, 2010, 05:37:24 PM »
And you're right, compared to the REAL craziness, this is kinda silly to worry over - but then, I'd want to curtail the real craziness too ... :)
You have to choose your battles... unless you want to rewrite the entirety of the D&D 3.5 books... At least if you want to actually put this kind of stuff down in a list of house rules before the game starts...

Or you can just make up stuff willy-nilly in the middle of your games, and piss off all your players to the point where they go find a new DM. (or at least make threads on here to bitch about you :P )

Wait, are you talking about me, or kevin_video's DMs ....  :p

The few time's I've DM'd I do tend to make stuff up as I go, but that's regarding story and encounters, not the rules ... :)

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #177 on: July 09, 2010, 06:07:19 PM »
And you're right, compared to the REAL craziness, this is kinda silly to worry over - but then, I'd want to curtail the real craziness too ... :)
You have to choose your battles... unless you want to rewrite the entirety of the D&D 3.5 books... At least if you want to actually put this kind of stuff down in a list of house rules before the game starts...

Or you can just make up stuff willy-nilly in the middle of your games, and piss off all your players to the point where they go find a new DM. (or at least make threads on here to bitch about you :P )

Wait, are you talking about me, or kevin_video's DMs ....  :p

The few time's I've DM'd I do tend to make stuff up as I go, but that's regarding story and encounters, not the rules ... :)
Bah, as a DM I've found it's sometimes ok to let two wrongs make a right, throw way too many scorpians at the party and lower the DC on the poison.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #178 on: July 10, 2010, 05:52:41 AM »
...now look what you did.
Since when did KSB need more Troll-related stuff?
I swear, we'll get killed 'cause of this ;)
What troll-related stuff? I saw nothing in his build compendium.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Singing Tesla Coil Edition
« Reply #179 on: July 10, 2010, 12:43:43 PM »
...now look what you did.
Since when did KSB need more Troll-related stuff?
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What troll-related stuff? I saw nothing in his build compendium.
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