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Astral Constructor Character
« on: July 01, 2010, 06:15:19 PM »
Hey all. I am interested in getting this character of mine optimized and to a lesser extent, proof read.

NOTE: This character can/will be using content from the 3rd party source Hyperconscious. While not necessary it is probably a good idea to know the content of this source

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RACE/TEMPLATES

Name                   Type         Attribute Modifiers   {Source}
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Human                Race           n/a                 {SRD}

CLASSES

Name(Variant)                    {Source}
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Wilder (Mantled(Creation)/Educated)   {SRD (MndEye/MndEye(http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070214a ))}
Dream Keeper                    {HypCon}
Constructor                            {MndEye(http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040625b )}
Astral Zealot                           {HypCon}

PROGRESSION

1)  Wilder 1 ; Boost Contruct[1st], Practiced Manifester[HBF], Ectopic Form(Alabaster Aerial)[CBF]
2)  Wilder 2 ;
3)  Wilder 3 ; Knowledge Devotion(The Planes)[2nd]
4)  Wilder 4 ; [+1 stat]
5)  Wilder 5 ; Expanded Knowledge(OPEN)[CBF]
6)  Wilder 6 ; Expanded Knowledge(Psionic Repair Damage)[3rd]
7)  Dream Keeper 1 ;
8)  Dream Keeper 2 ; [+1 stat]
9)  Dream Keeper 3 ; Linked Power[4th]
10) Constructor 1 ;
11) Constructor 2 ;
12) Constructor 3 ; [+1 stat], Expanded Knowledge(Schism)[5th]
13) Constructor 4 ;
14) Constructor 5 ;
15) Constructor 6 ; Psionic Meditation[6th]
16) Constructor 7 ; [+1 stat]
17) Constructor 8 ;
18) Constructor 9 ; Quick Recovery[7th]
19) Constructor 10 ;
20) Astral Zealot 1 ; [+1 stat]
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21) Astral Zealot 2 ; [8th]
22) Astral Zealot 3 ;
23) Wilder 7 ;
24) Astral Zealot 4 ; [9th], [+1 stat]
25)    ;
26)    ;
27)    ; [10th]
28)    ; [+1 stat]
29)    ;
30)    ; [11th]
31)    ;
32)    ; [+1 stat]
33)    ; [12th]
34)    ;
35)    ;
36)    ; [13th], [+1 stat]
37)    ;
38)    ;
39)    ; [14th]
40)    ; [+1 stat]
 

ATTRIBUTES

32 Point-Buy
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STR 10 (2)
DEX 10 (2)
CON 14 (6)
INT 14 (6)
WIS 14 (6)
CHA 16 (10)


SKILLS

PrC Skill Requirements
Class      : Skill Ranks Required
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Astral Zealot   : Craft (Alchemy) 2 ranks, Craft (Sculpting) 2 ranks, Knowledge (Psionics) 8 ranks
Constructer   : Craft (any) 9 ranks   
Dream Keeper   : Knowledge (Psionics) 8 ranks, Knowledge (the Planes) 8 ranks

Ranks
Lv   (Total Ranks)   : Skill Ranks
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Lv1  (Total 28)       : Autohypnosis 4 Ranks, Balance 4 Ranks, Bluff 2 ranks, Concentration 4 Ranks, Craft (Alchemy) 4 ranks, Craft (Sculpting) 2 ranks, Knowledge (Psionics) 4 ranks, Tumble 4 Ranks
Lv2  (Total  7)       : Autohypnosis 1 Ranks, Balance 1 Ranks, Bluff 1 ranks, Concentration 1 Ranks, Craft (Alchemy) 1 ranks, Knowledge (Psionics) 1 ranks, Tumble 1 ranks
Lv3  (Total  7)       : Craft (Alchemy) 1 ranks, Knowledge (Psionics) 1 ranks, Knowledge (the planes) 5 ranks
Lv4  (Total  7)       : Auotohynosis 1 ranks, Concentration 1 ranks, Craft (Alchemy) 1 ranks, Knowledge (Psionics) 1 ranks, Knowledge (the planes) 2 ranks, Tumble 1 ranks
Lv5  (Total  7)       : Auotohynosis 1 ranks, Concentration 2 ranks, Craft (Alchemy) 1 ranks, Knowledge (Psionics) 1 ranks, Knowledge (the planes) 1 ranks, Tumble 1 ranks
Lv6  (Total  7)       : Auotohynosis 2 ranks, Bluff 1 ranks, Concentration 1 ranks, Craft (Alchemy) 1 ranks, Tumble 2 ranks
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SPELL/POWER/MANEUVER/STANCE LIST

Lv     Name                          List                        Special                         {Source}
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POWERS
1      Astral Construct              Creation Mantle      n/a                              {SRD}
1      Minor Creation, Psionic      Creation Mantle      n/a                             {SRD}
1      Ecto Protection               Wilder                   n/a                              {SRD}
1      OPEN                             OPEN                    Expanded Knowledge      OPEN
2      Psionic Repair Damage       Shaper                 Expanded Knowledge       {SRD}
3      Psionic Blast                    Wilder                   n/a                              {SRD}
2      Dream Prison                   Wilder                   Dream Keeper                {HyprCon}
4      Fabricate, Psionic             Creation Mantle      n/a                              {SRD}
5      Major Creation, Psionic      Creation Mantlle      n/a                              {SRD}
6      Fabricate, Greater Psionic  Creation Mantle      n/a                              {SRD}
7      OPEN                             Wilder                   OPEN                            OPEN
8      OPEN                             Wilder                   OPEN                            OPEN

9      True Creation                  Creation Mantle       n/a                              {SRD}

 
EQUIPMENT

Total Cost
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13000gp

As you can no doubt fathom, I am looking to create a character that uses Astral Construct quite a bit. I essentially want to make the biggest, baddest ACs I can per level.

I have access to most books minus 3rd party books except Hyperconscious. Well at least depending on my DMs mood. I can use flaws for the most part unless they start being cheesy.

I have a rough build set up right now but need help filling in the gaps and can use some suggestions to improve it. Anything not completed that needs to be should be bolded.

The character will be being played around LV6 up. I am not quite sure which would be good equipment for the character so suggestions for that would be nice as well.

Please and thank you.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2010, 06:43:08 PM by TC X0 Lt 0X »
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Re: Astral Constructor Character
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2010, 08:03:04 PM »
Why be a Wilder instead of a Psion?  Wild surge is handy, but is it worth knowing so few powers per level?

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Re: Astral Constructor Character
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2010, 08:16:46 PM »
Wilder and Psion run about the same with that progression (overchannel instead of wild surge), but Psion being Int-based makes it easier on the skill points.
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Re: Astral Constructor Character
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2010, 08:21:53 PM »
Well it lets me get to those higher level Astral Constructs faster.
But I can go the Psion overchannel/Talented path too now that you mention it.

Put those tags in a bit...

BTW, is there any better way to get Knowledge the Planes on the characters class list?
I am going through Knowledge Devotion but I am certain there must be a better way then that.
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Re: Astral Constructor Character
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2010, 08:28:50 PM »
It's a question of levels. Psion is more reliable long-term(no enervation), but Wild Surge is stronger earlier. Both builds are valid if you know what you're doing (unlike most psionic builds, AC-users don't need many powers known). I'm just a knowledge whore, and hence, a psion-user.
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Re: Astral Constructor Character
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2010, 08:38:37 PM »
Yeah I came in with a Wilder because it did not need many powers to pull off.

But I do see that the Psion can be quite nice with it's extra powers.
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Re: Astral Constructor Character
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2010, 09:08:11 PM »
Psion + Anarchic Initiate = Super Wilder with more Powers Known and fewer drawbacks

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Re: Astral Constructor Character
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2010, 12:36:40 AM »
I just realized I forgot about Ectopic Adept =P
Here is a revised build that uses Psion as the base class.

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RACE/TEMPLATES

Name         Type          Attribute Modifiers      {Source}
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Azuren         Race      n/a            {MoI}

CLASSES

Name(Variant)            {Source}
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Psion               {SRD}
Dream Keeper            {HypCon}
Constructor            {MndEye(http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040625b)}
Astral Zealot            {HypCon}

PROGRESSION

1)  Psion(Shaper) 1   ; Boost Contruct[1st], Practiced Manifester[HBF], Ectopic Form(Alabaster Aerial)[CBF], ((Overchannel[F1], Talented[F2], Skill focus(craft:sculpting)[F3]))
2)  Psion(Shaper) 2   ;
3)  Psion(Shaper) 3   ; Midnight Augmentation[2nd]
4)  Psion(Shaper) 4   ; [+1 stat]
5)  Psion(Shaper) 5   ; Psicrystal Affinity[CBF]
6)  Ectopic Adept 1   ; Psionic Meditation[3rd]
7)  Constructor 1   ;
8)  Constructor 2   ; [+1 stat]
9)  Constructor 3   ; Extend Power[4th]
10) Constructor 4   ;
11) Constructor 5   ;
12) Constructor 6   ; [+1 stat], Expanded Knowledge(Schism)[5th]
13) Constructor 7   ;
14) Constructor 8   ;
15) Constructor 9   ; Psicrystal Containment[6th]
16) Ectopic Adept 2    ; [+1 stat]
17) Ectopic Adept 3   ;
18) Ectopic Adept 4   ; Linked Power[7th]
19) Ectopic Adept 5   ;
20) Constructor 10   ; [+1 stat]
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21) Dream Keeper 1   ; [8th]
22) Dream Keeper 2   ;
23) Dream Keeper 3   ;
24) Astral Zealot 1   ; [9th], [+1 stat]
25) Astral Zealot 2   ;
26) Astral Zealot 3   ;
27)    ; [10th]
28)    ; [+1 stat]
29)    ;
30)    ; [11th]
31)    ;
32)    ; [+1 stat]
33)    ; [12th]
34)    ;
35)    ;
36)    ; [13th], [+1 stat]
37)    ;
38)    ;
39)    ; [14th]
40)    ; [+1 stat]
 

ATTRIBUTES

32 Point-Buy
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STR 10 (2)
DEX 10 (2)
CON 16 (10)
INT 16 (10)   
WIS 14 (6)   
CHA 10 (2)   


SKILLS

PrC Skill Requirements
Class         : Skill Ranks Required
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Astral Zealot      : Craft (Alchemy) 2 ranks, Craft (Sculpting) 2 ranks, Knowledge (Psionics) 8 ranks
Constructer      : Craft (any) 9 ranks   
Dream Keeper      : Knowledge (Psionics) 8 ranks, Knowledge (the Planes) 8 ranks
Ectopic Adept 1      : Psicraft 8 ranks


SPELL/POWER/MANEUVER/STANCE LIST

Lv   Name            List         Special         Obtained   {Source}
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POWERS
1   Astral Construct      Shaper          n/a         Lv1      {SRD}
1   Minor Creation, Psionic      Shaper         n/a         Lv1      {SRD}
1   Ecto Protection         Psion         n/a         Lv1      {SRD}
1   Grease, Psionic         Psion         n/a         Lv2      {SRD}
1   Far Hand         Psion         n/a         Lv2      {SRD}
2   Psionic Repair Damage      Psion         n/a         Lv3      {SRD}
2   Bestow Power         Psion         n/a         Lv3
2   Ego Whip         Psion         n/a         Lv4
2   Share Pain         Psion         n/a         Lv4
3   Body Adjustment         Psion         n/a         Lv5      {SRD}
3   Ectoplasmic Cocoon      Psion         n/a         Lv5      {SRD}
3   Eradicate Invisibility      Psion         n/a         Lv6      {SRD}
3   Psionic Blast         Psion         n/a         Lv6      {SRD}
4         Psion         n/a         Lv3      {SRD}
4            Psion         n/a         Lv3   {SRD}
4            Psion         n/a         Lv4   {SRD}
4            Psion         n/a         Lv4   {SRD}
5         Psion         n/a         Lv3      {SRD}
5            Psion         n/a         Lv3   {SRD}
5            Psion         n/a         Lv4   {SRD}
5            Psion         n/a         Lv4   {SRD}
6         Psion         n/a         Lv3      {SRD}
6            Psion         n/a         Lv3   {SRD}
6            Psion         n/a         Lv4   {SRD}
6            Psion         n/a         Lv4   {SRD}
7         Psion         n/a         Lv3      {SRD}
7            Psion         n/a         Lv3   {SRD}
7            Psion         n/a         Lv4   {SRD}
7            Psion         n/a         Lv4   {SRD}
8         Psion         n/a         Lv3      {SRD}
8            Psion         n/a         Lv3   {SRD}
8            Psion         n/a         Lv4   {SRD}
8            Psion         n/a         Lv4   {SRD}
9         Psion         n/a         Lv3      {SRD}
9            Psion         n/a         Lv3   {SRD}
9            Psion         n/a         Lv4   {SRD}
9            Psion         n/a         Lv4   {SRD}



EQUIPMENT

Total Cost
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13000gp
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Re: Astral Constructor Character
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2010, 02:27:11 AM »
Avoid. Ectopic. Adept.

Ectopic forms are worse than normal constructs, especially once you have Boost Construct. Spending feats to make yourself worse is a bad idea.

Plus, you'll want to completely avoid the CPsi nerf. It's stupid and worthless.

Also, check out every way possible to improve your manifester level. Orange ioun stones, Overchannel/wild surge, arcanist's gloves (MIC) if your DM will let them count as boosting your ML, metamagic(/psionic) rods bound to your hands chakra, and so on.
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Re: Astral Constructor Character
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2010, 03:16:31 PM »
The only thing I have to wonder about the ectopic forms is if you still get to choose various abilities from menus.  CPsi is very unclear on the matter (as in, it never addresses it).
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Re: Astral Constructor Character
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2010, 05:36:44 PM »
2nd - avoiding the CPsi nerf.

ACs are like Earth Elementals. If Druids aren't nerfed, then ...
Ectopic Adept is only useful if the CPsi nerf is in place; and then still not good, because Arcanes get Summoning too.
One of the Psions in the Mind's Eye updates, gets an extra thingy or two, regarding ACs.
Shapers ---> http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070411a
Skin of the Construct feat, is very versatile.

Personally, I don't see any reason to go past Constructor 5.
You get the super long term dmm persist like effect.

Soo ... Psion Shaper 5 / Constructor 5 / A.i. 3+ / the hyperconscious stuff you want / Slayer 9 maybe